[quote=dancethedrink]

NOW LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHAT HAVE WE HERE!!!

WE HAVE THAT SCUMBAG RACIST FROTHING AND FOAMING FROM THE MOUTH TOO ANGRY TO HIDE HIS TRUE FEELINGS ANYMORE

LET
NO-ONE EVER SAY TO THEMSELVES THAT A LITTLE PREJUDICE, A SLIGHT HINT OF
RACISM IS OK - FOR AS I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG - RACISM IS THE CESSPOOL
BREEDING GROUND OF VERMIN - WHICH IF LEFT UNCHECKED - MULTIPLIES
AND SPREADS LIKE THE TRUE VIRUS IT IS.

LET US EXAMINE PROF PUT TRADER IN HIS EARLIER REMARKS - I AM NOT A RACIST. I JUST WOULD NOT HIRE THEM DUE TO THE PERCEIVED BIASES OF CLIENTS - IT IS A PURELY BUSINESS DECISION......

NOW MY FRIENDS, HAVING CHALLENGED HIS CRAP, HE CAN CONTAIN HIMSELF NO LONGER AND NOW STATES IN HIS VERY OWN WORDS IN THE THREAD TITLED "A LITTLE AGEISM FOR PROF. PUT TRADER" THE FOLLOWING ABOUT COLOURED PEOPLE....

Most of the Negroes in the United States are too stupid to graduate from high school much less pass qualification exams for professional positions.

The few who are gravitate to the true professions, medicine and the law.

Since the NASD is not willing to curve or race-norm the Series 7 it is doubtful that there will ever be more than a handful of Negroes in the brokerage industry.

Well, that's not necessarily true--you don't have to pass exams to work in operations or investment banking so that' where you see them

HMMM, STILL BUSINESS DECISIONS YOU SCUMBUG??? OR THE ROTTEN THINKING OF A LITTLE HITLER?????

Put Trader is right.  He’s just a bit too blunt for most people (but not for me).



Look at the facts.  You will see that the same things we see in
America with regard to racial performance in life that we see in many
other countries.



Take a look at the black crime rates in London or large Canadian
cities.  Then take a look at academic achievement of black
students there.  There are no differences at all between other
countries and America.



Put Trader, nobody challenges with facts anymore.  The
politically correct way of doing things is just to attack the person
who says things that some group doesn’t like.



What happened when the president of Harvard suggested that there may be
differences between males and females with regard to their ability to
achieve in mathematics?  He was attacked.



Educational statistics.  IQ scores.  Prison
incarceration/crime rates.  Look at those for America then compare
them with other parts of the world that have black populations. 
There is absolutely no difference.



People may not like to admit it.  But it is true.  What’s
even more true is that people know these things and are going to tend
to be biased against blacks, even the ones who are fully
qualified.  I’m not saying it is right, but it is just the way it
is.



However, while what Put Trader said about branch managers denying
blacks the opportunity to become financial advisors because the
probability of them succeeding is next to none may statistically be
sound, it is institutional racism nonetheless.



I don’t like discrimination at all.  But if you were to put an
Asian kid and a black kid in a room, which one would you guess would be
better at math?  Which one would statistically be more likely to
be better at math?  If you had the responsiblity to pick the one
who was better at math before they could prove their skills to you,
which one would you pick?



That’s no different than what a branch manager has to do.

[quote=Inquisitive]However, while what Put Trader said about branch managers denying
blacks the opportunity to become financial advisors because the
probability of them succeeding is next to none may statistically be
sound, it is institutional racism nonetheless. [/quote]



As I have said several times I believe the term “racism” is cheapened
when it is used to describe somebody who decides not to hire somebody.



If that manager or client is a racist what word does this language have
to describe those guys in Texas who tied a black man to the back of
their pickup truck with chain and dragged him until his body came apart?

Another racist.

[quote=dancethedrink]

Another racist.

[quote=Put Trader] [quote=dancethedrink]

NOW LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHAT HAVE WE HERE!!!

WE HAVE THAT SCUMBAG RACIST FROTHING AND FOAMING FROM THE MOUTH TOO ANGRY TO HIDE HIS TRUE FEELINGS ANYMORE

LET NO-ONE EVER SAY TO THEMSELVES THAT A LITTLE PREJUDICE, A SLIGHT HINT OF RACISM IS OK - FOR AS I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG - RACISM IS THE CESSPOOL BREEDING GROUND OF VERMIN - WHICH IF LEFT UNCHECKED - MULTIPLIES AND SPREADS LIKE THE TRUE VIRUS IT IS.

LET US EXAMINE PROF PUT TRADER IN HIS EARLIER REMARKS - I AM NOT A RACIST. I JUST WOULD NOT HIRE THEM DUE TO THE PERCEIVED BIASES OF CLIENTS - IT IS A PURELY BUSINESS DECISION......

NOW MY FRIENDS, HAVING CHALLENGED HIS CRAP, HE CAN CONTAIN HIMSELF NO LONGER AND NOW STATES IN HIS VERY OWN WORDS IN THE THREAD TITLED "A LITTLE AGEISM FOR PROF. PUT TRADER" THE FOLLOWING ABOUT COLOURED PEOPLE....

Most of the Negroes in the United States are too stupid to graduate from high school much less pass qualification exams for professional positions.

The few who are gravitate to the true professions, medicine and the law.

Since the NASD is not willing to curve or race-norm the Series 7 it is doubtful that there will ever be more than a handful of Negroes in the brokerage industry.

Well, that's not necessarily true--you don't have to pass exams to work in operations or investment banking so that' where you see them

HMMM, STILL BUSINESS DECISIONS YOU SCUMBUG??? OR THE ROTTEN THINKING OF A LITTLE HITLER?????

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What percentage of the American Negroes graduated from high school before society began to pass kids from one grade to the next regardless of their mastery of the subject matter?

Why does asking questions dealing with "difficult" topics cause so much angst?

I believe the answer to the above question is "very few."  Am I wrong in my conclusion or am I wrong to even ask the question?

If questions remain unasked does that meant that the answers to those questions are not valid?

How about this one.  It is often said that Negroes do not value education because they have not been taught to value education.

Why does somebody have to be "taught" the value of education.  Is it not prima facia evidence of stupidity to not realize that successful people are educated and unsuccessful people are not?

For years every Sunday morning I walked from my midtown apartment to 125th Street--normally through the park.  I would then hop a bus and ride back to midtown.

I was the only white person to get on the bus at 125th Street that early on a Sunday--normally there would only be a few others on the bus.  Those others were often little black ladies in white gloves and their Sunday best--they were going to Mass at St. Patricks or somewhere else along the way.

I'd sit and chat with the ladies and I REFUSE to believe that they did not understand that the way out of poverty is through the schools.  I refuse to believe that they were not telling their children and grandchildren to stay in school--and I refuse to believe that they were not heartbroken when their children and grandchildren dropped out for the same reason they and their husbands dropped out.

A basic inability to keep up as the difficulty of the work increased.

There are things that I simply cannot grasp.  I can grasp a lot more than my wife can grasp.

I full understand that society cannot allow the citizenry to believe that there are differences in the cognitive skills among the sexes and the races--but just because civil society does not want to know certain truths does not make those truths false.

What is curious is how somebody who discusses "sensitive" topics out loud is shouted down rather than debunked with facts that counter the insensitive point of view.

Classic shoot the messenger stuff.
[/quote]

Wow....another jewel from Put Trader.

How come you grasp so much more than your wife?  Is she a Negro?  Or is it because her cognitive skills are diminished because she is a woman.  Wow....apply that logic consistently and Condoleeza Rice should be an absolute MORON!

Have you and inquisitive ever considered the possibility that the poor educational success of black Americans may also have something to do with the fact that schools in predominantly black neighborhoods often receive far less funding?  That more often black kids grow up in single parent families, and sadly famlies that are in economic distress?  That must make it a little harder for them to study when their parent(singular) is worried about putting food on the table.  For those who do get ahead in their educational careers, there are plenty of racists like you who sadly will never give them a half decent change to apply their knowledge.

You've hardly provided us with much in the way of statistics and fact, by the way.  Just conventional wisdom and your anecdotal observations, screened by your own obviously strong bias.

Then again-you have a right to your opinion, no matter how disgusting.  In this great country even racists are allowed to freely speak their mind.  Crazy as it seems, and offensive as your opinions might be, I support your freedom to share them.

Wow....another jewel from Put Trader.

How come you grasp so much more than your wife?  Is she a Negro?  Or is it because her cognitive skills are diminished because she is a woman.  Wow....apply that logic consistently and Condoleeza Rice should be an absolute MORON!

First, Dr. Rice is an example of the freaks of nature that occur--she's a black equivalent of a Stephen Hawking, and is hardly indicative of the greater population.

As for my wife, no she's not a Negro but she is a woman and I'm here to tell you that she is unable to grasp math higher than checkbook balancing.  On the other hand, she's an absolute genius at non-math intellectual exercises--verbal on the SAT.

The Larry Summers observation come to my very own home and willingly acknowledged by my wife.  One of her favorite statements is, "I'd be willing to give up my right to vote if all women were denied the right to vote."  Gotta love a girl who has her act together like that.

Have you and inquisitive ever considered the possibility that the poor educational success of black Americans may also have something to do with the fact that schools in predominantly black neighborhoods often receive far less funding?
Yep, I've considered it--considered it a lot in fact.  And I've dismissed it as grasping for excuses to deny the real truth.

If there was somewhere in the world you could point to where the Negro is excelling I might buy into the argument that our home grown versions are simply denied opportunity--but you can't.

For generations educators have been maintaining stats regarding IQ tests, SAT scores and so forth.  What they show is that among the lowest socio-economic classes Negroes score lower than Whites and Whites score lower than Asians.  That same dynamic is true among the middle classes and among the upper classes as well.

In other words, in the inner city the Negroes do the worst--but they also do the worst in the suburbs.  That tends to debunk the whine that "If we just spent more money they'd do better."

You've hardly provided us with much in the way of statistics and fact, by the way.  Just conventional wisdom and your anecdotal observations, screened by your own obviously strong bias.

There are plenty of statisitcs, it's just that society cannot allow them to be out there.  Can you imagine the damage done to our economy if officials actually went on TV and announced that genetic science--DNA, XY stuff--had proven beyond a doubt that there is an intellectual hierarchy among the races?

You whiners tend to have a child-like faith in government so let me explain something to you.

There are some things that are too emotionally explosive to deal with, and as such there is no reason to fund studies looking for them.

Depending on your age, and your tendency to keep up with current news, you may recall that a number of years ago it was suggested that every criminal in every prison and jail in the country should give a sample of their saliva for DNA analysis.  The study was going to determine if there is a "violence gene."

That proposal got exactly nowhere--shouted down as "racist" by those who shout things like that.  Are you intellectually curious enough to wonder if their might be a genetic code there--and if so could the code be altered and violent crime reduced if not eliminated?

What is truly sad is that the fear of identifying things like a "violence gene" causes a lack of research into genetic links to things like Sickle Cell Anemia and other diseases that only attack Negroes.

Of course there is probability--as in 100%--that science would also isolate the genetic pairings that control IQ.  What if there is a combination that is common among those who tend to sloth and laziness--you know, sitting on the stoop drinking malt liquor or taking a siesta every day.

Does it make sense to you that genetic combinations dictate just about everything about us, from the color of our eyes to the texture of our hair--but that genetics has absolutely nothing to do with tendencies to get certain diseases, tendencies to be violent, tendencies to be athletic, tendencies to be lazy, and yes cognitive skills as well.

Does that really make sense to you?  Really?

Then again-you have a right to your opinion, no matter how disgusting.  In this great country even racists are allowed to freely speak their mind.  Crazy as it seems, and offensive as your opinions might be, I support your freedom to share them.

What is disgusting about curiosity?  I am simply asking "hard questions" and giving voice to reality.  Are we simply to not talk about certain things because it makes others uncomfortable--is that it in your world?

In case anyone thinks Put Trader as made a genuine scientific point with sickle cell anemia as a genetic disease that "only attacks Negroes"

Sickle Cell Anemia is a major health problem of black people in Africa, South America, Latin America, the West Indies and the United States. In the United States, about 1 out of every 10 black Americans has Sickle Cell Trait and about 1 out of 400 has Sickle Cell Anemia. But Sickle Cell Anemia is not confined to black people. It is also found In some racial groups who live around the Mediterranean Sea. For example, It is found in some Greeks, Italians, Sicilians and Turks. The reason African and other peoples who live in that area have sickling appears to be related to malaria. Although having Sickle Cell Anemia has always been a disadvantage, having Sickle Cell Trait is beneficial in areas where malaria is a problem. Individuals with Sickle Trait are resistant to malaria; they do not get it as often as normal individuals, but if they do get malaria they do not die as frequently.

http://www.sicklecelldisease-il.org/sections/what/parents.ht ml

In case anyone thinks Put Trader as made a genuine scientific point
with sickle cell anemia as a genetic disease that "only attacks Negroes"



In this country Sikle Cell Anemia is a problem of the black
community.  That it appears in Mediterranean populations is
irrelevant to my point.



Tell us Stan, do you favor investigating possible genetic links to
things such as intelligence–or are you so gobbled up by political
correctness that you could not live with what it might reveal?

"In this country Sikle Cell Anemia is a problem of the black community.  That it appears in Mediterranean populations is irrelevant to my point."<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Actually it's very relevant to your "point" in two ways. First, it proves you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Second, it proves than genetics  haven't been proved to be the common factor of the disease, that the "nature nurture" debate rages on.

"Tell us Stan, do you favor investigating possible genetic links to things such as intelligence--or are you so gobbled up by political correctness that you could not live with what it might reveal?"

ROFLMAO, yeah, I'm PC. That's just too funny. I suppose to a Klansman I’m a screaming PC fanatic. I'm for scientific research period. Let it lead where it leads. The "nature nurture" debate will continue, and there’s no doubt people like you will misuse the data.

Again, you've drifted from your "why I'm a good guy for not hiring minorities" mantra to Klan talking points.

Again, you’ve drifted from your “why I’m a good guy for not hiring minorities” mantra to Klan talking points.



No I haven’t.  I am in the school of thought that believes that one should find a career that fits their situation.



The reality is that women and minorities both have a horribly difficult time in this business.



No doubt potential clients who will not do business with them are often
misguided but that does not change the reality that those attitudes are
out there.



I also believe that the attitude is as prevelant in this particular industry as it would be in choosing a doctor.



Is it wrong that a white man with cancer will not have faith in a black
doctor?  Possibly, perhaps even probably–but the reality is that
it is an emotion that is very common.



How many black oncologists are there in private practice in this
country?  I dont’ know, but I’ll bet it’s a very very very small
number of them.



I am not up to speed on the medical profession, but I’ll bet there are
discussions among black doctors as to where they are most likely to
find success–and I’ll bet that it is not in a highly specialized
private practice.



If a black guy wants to be an oncologist he will probably find himself
to be most comfortable in a public hospital environment where the
customer doesn’t really have a choice.



It’s a harsh reality of life that when given a choice white people will
choose to deal with fellow white people–and when it comes time to
choosing a professional most black people also choose to deal with
white people.



As Edith Ann would say, “…and that’s the truth!”

Again, you've drifted from your "why I'm a good guy for not hiring minorities" mantra to Klan talking points.

"No I haven't."

Sure you have as your sidebar diatribes about "the negro" and genetics proves.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 "I am in the school of thought that believes that one should find a career that fits their situation."

Their "situation" as described by a bigot....

"The reality is that women and minorities both have a horribly difficult time in this business."

No one's said that isn't true. What we've said to you is that there's no reason to have a blanket "minorities need not apply" sign on your office door.

"I also believe that the attitude is as prevelant in this particular industry as it would be in choosing a doctor."

Then you may want to ask a few questions of the schools that produce them and the hospitals and practices that employ them, rather than babbling about the subject without a clue.

"Is it wrong that a white man with cancer will not have faith in a black doctor?  Possibly, perhaps even probably--but the reality is that it is an emotion that is very common."

"Very common"? Again, I suspect you grossly exaggerate this and you do so from your perspective about "the negro". And it’s only “possible” that someone might be wrong for judging the skill of a doctor based on his skin color? “POSSIBLY”????

"How many black oncologists are there in private practice in this country?  I dont' know, but I'll bet it's a very very very small number of them."

And that, dear readers, is the reason why Put Trader, if he were in charge of hiring doctors, wouldn't employ any....

"If a black guy wants to be an oncologist he will probably find himself to be most comfortable in a public hospital environment where the customer doesn't really have a choice."

That's no doubt conventional wisdom at Klan meetings when this subject comes up....

"It's a harsh reality of life that when given a choice white people will choose to deal with fellow white people--and when it comes time to choosing a professional most black people also choose to deal with white people."

Wow, somebody get a calendar. Is this 1920? Or is Put Trader just  living there?

"As Edith Ann would say, "....and that's the truth!""

As the Grand Flegal would say, "we don't need none 'o them negro professionals around here. No white man would trust him and neither would any negroes, for that matter"...

[quote=joedabrkr]Wow…another jewel from Put Trader.

How come you grasp so much more than your wife?  Is she a Negro?  Or is it because her cognitive skills are diminished because she is a woman.  Wow....apply that logic consistently and Condoleeza Rice should be an absolute MORON!

Have you and inquisitive ever considered the possibility that the poor educational success of black Americans may also have something to do with the fact that schools in predominantly black neighborhoods often receive far less funding? 

[/quote]

Not true!

Washington DC has almost the highest educational funding in the nation and they have the LOWEST student performance.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/05/23/school-spendi ng.htm

Other states have spending less than half of Washington DC and much higher student performance.

There is asbolutely no correlation between adacemic performance and spending.  However, there is a strong correlation between academic performance and IQ!!!

[quote=joedabrkr]

That more often black kids grow up in single parent families, and sadly famlies that are in economic distress? 

[/quote]

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2003-05-21/news/feature _print.html

"The black parents wanted an explanation. Doctors, lawyers, judges, and insurance brokers, many had come to the upscale Cleveland suburb of Shaker Heights specifically because of its stellar school district. They expected their children to succeed academically, but most were performing poorly. African-American students were lagging far behind their white classmates in every measure of academic success: grade-point average, standardized test scores, and enrollment in advanced-placement courses. On average, black students earned a 1.9 GPA while their white counterparts held down an average of 3.45. Other indicators were equally dismal. It made no sense."

"The professor and his research assistant moved to Shaker Heights for nine months in mid-1997. They reviewed data and test scores. The team observed 110 different classes, from kindergarten all the way through high school. They conducted exhaustive interviews with school personnel, black parents, and students. Their project yielded an unexpected conclusion: It wasn't socioeconomics, school funding, or racism, that accounted for the students' poor academic performance; it was their own attitudes, and those of their parents."

Interesting--a black professor called in to study dismal performance of black students concludes that neither economic status norracism was the cause.

Another good article:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/etc/gap.h tml

" The (black student achievement) gap cannot be easily explained. Contrary to what might be expected, Meredith Phillips and her colleagues suggest in The Black-White Test Score Gap that parents' income differences by themselves have almost no effect on children's test scores. Rather, they urge us to look further back in a child's family tree."

AHHH!  Look back at the family tree.  Maybe because intelligence is genetic and tends to run in families?

And do you really expect people of low intelligence to have high paying jobs like doctors and lawyers?  Or are high intelligence people more likely to be able to endure the rigors of the educational process to get into that field?

http://www.brookings.org/press/books/blckwhit.htm

" Although significant attempts have been made over the past three decades to shrink the test score gap, including increased funding for predominantly black schools, desegregation of southern schools, and programs to alleviate poverty, the median black American still scores below 75 percent of American whites on most standardized tests. The book brings together recent evidence on some of the most controversial and puzzling aspects of the test score debate, including the role of test bias, heredity, and family background."

" The authors demonstrate that traditional explanations account for only a small part of the black-white test score gap. They argue that this is partly because traditional explanations have put too much emphasis on racial disparities in economic resources, both in homes and in schools, and on demographic factors like family structure."

[quote=joedabrkr]

That must make it a little harder for them to study when their parent(singular) is worried about putting food on the table. 

[/quote]

Blacks make up the largest group of welfare recipients.  Housing projects are filled with black families.  They AREN'T working to put food on the table.  Your taxes are doing that.

[quote=joedabrkr]

For those who do get ahead in their educational careers, there are plenty of racists like you who sadly will never give them a half decent change to apply their knowledge.

[/quote]

I would be more than willing to hire anyone if they were the best for the job, no matter what color they were.

I don't think it's right to discriminate just on the basis of skin color.  However, I am able to admit that there are difference between the races, just as there are between genders, and between individuals like you and me.

We are all different.

[quote=joedabrkr]

You've hardly provided us with much in the way of statistics and fact, by the way.  Just conventional wisdom and your anecdotal observations, screened by your own obviously strong bias.
[/quote]

What would you like?  SAT scores?  School district test scores?  YOU can find that information yourself if you want to.  But you realize that if you spent the time digging into it, your conclusions would be no different than what you are arguing against.

http://www.loni.ucla.edu/~thompson/MEDIA/NN/nsci2.html

"The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Broca's and Wernicke's areas, and the frontal region, which is one of the areas that plays a huge role in cognition. In identical twins, there was a 95 to 100 per cent correlation in these areas between one twin and the other - they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as fingerprints. "It's extraordinary how similar they are," he says.

The finding suggests that environment - the twins’ personal experiences, what
they learned in life, who they knew - played a negligible role in shaping
that part of the brain."

[quote=joedabrkr]

Then again-you have a right to your opinion, no matter how disgusting. 

[/quote]

Don't confuse opinion and fact.  It is my opinion that everybody should be treated according to their abilities.  It is fact that real diffeneces exist between groups of people.

[quote=joedabrkr]

In this great country even racists are allowed to freely speak their mind.  Crazy as it seems, and offensive as your opinions might be, I support your freedom to share them.[/quote]

Oh well, isn't that nice of joedabrkr!  My goodness, he supports our right to state fact!  Contrast him against the liberals out there who want to put people in jail for stating fact.

It is just plain silly to expect intelligence to increase because you throw more money at the schools.

One of your studies said;

"It wasn't socioeconomics, school funding, or racism, that accounted for the students' poor academic performance; it was their own attitudes, and those of their parents."

And another states;

" The (black student achievement) gap cannot be easily explained. Contrary to what might be expected, Meredith Phillips and her colleagues suggest in The Black-White Test Score Gap that parents' income differences by themselves have almost no effect on children's test scores. Rather, they urge us to look further back in a child's family tree."

And you conclude with; AHHH!  Look back at the family tree.  Maybe because intelligence is genetic and tends to run in families?

Notice neither of your studies said "genetic", they said "attitude", but you confused the two. Is that because you don't know any better?

Further, your second study, in the source you provided says;

 "Jencks and Phillips, however, point out in The Black-White Test Score Gap that "despite endless speculation, no one has found genetic evidence indicating that blacks have less innate intellectual ability than whites."

It's interesting that a discussion about the hiring of qualified minorities devolves to a discussion about genetics and some poster's attempts to make this a "nature over nurture" issue. Even to the point of them distorting their own sources.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[quote=stanwbrown]

One of your studies said;

"It wasn't socioeconomics, school funding, or racism, that accounted for the students' poor academic performance; it was their own attitudes, and those of their parents."

And another states;

" The (black student achievement) gap cannot be easily explained. Contrary to what might be expected, Meredith Phillips and her colleagues suggest in The Black-White Test Score Gap that parents' income differences by themselves have almost no effect on children's test scores. Rather, they urge us to look further back in a child's family tree."

And you conclude with; AHHH!  Look back at the family tree.  Maybe because intelligence is genetic and tends to run in families?

Notice neither of your studies said "genetic", they said "attitude", but you confused the two. Is that because you don't know any better?

"A negative attitude towards education is in, and of itself, proof of stupidity."

True, but it isn't proof that stupidity is genetic.

Obviously this is too tough for you....

"How much effort does it take to attend a school in this country?"

The question wasn't effort required, it's attitude required.

[quote=stanwbrown]

One of your studies said;

"It wasn't socioeconomics, school funding, or racism, that accounted for the students' poor academic performance; it was their own attitudes, and those of their parents."

And another states;

" The (black student achievement) gap cannot be easily explained. Contrary to what might be expected, Meredith Phillips and her colleagues suggest in The Black-White Test Score Gap that parents' income differences by themselves have almost no effect on children's test scores. Rather, they urge us to look further back in a child's family tree."

And you conclude with; AHHH!  Look back at the family tree.  Maybe because intelligence is genetic and tends to run in families?

Notice neither of your studies said "genetic", they said "attitude", but you confused the two. Is that because you don't know any better?

[QUOTE]

http://info.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/plomdevelop/genetics/99j ungen.htm



Intelligence is largely heritable.



[/quote]



Dude, please start posting links that work.