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[quote=hubbabubba]newbie, did you get my book recommendation from the medallion thread?[/quote]
I knew Dr. Black a little from his days at Goldman--he was brought over to our shop by our resident brains to talk about the formula.
It got me into more trouble than it solved because it doesn't take rumors and other forms of inside information into its calculations.
Certainly the formula has its limitations as does any arbitrage/quant strategy. Its still an interesting read though b/c it brings to life some of the dull theory. Not as interesting as “When Genius Failed” though.
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Good info too.
I hestitate to continue in this rather absurd discussion, but asking someone "does this look like a 757 hit this building" is rather silly given that NO ONE HAS SEEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN BEFORE.
By the way, as in all things, incentives matter. Do you think the associates of these now vaporized (and likely virgin-less) gentlemen have more incentive to show "proof" that they are still alive?
Keep in mind the name Mohammad is the most common on the planet.
[quote=dude]
MikeB:
Did you see the part where they demonstrated that a majority of the alleged hijackers are still alive?
They claimed it, they didn't demonstrate it.
Although this is NOT evidence of a conspiracy; if true, it is certainly indicitve of severe incompetence.
No, it would be proof that the entire mainstream media is in on it too as they would otherwise never, never let the "fact" that these guys are alive go unmentioned in every newspaper from now until doomsday.
Also the pentagon "missile" was certainly not a Boeing 757, my father in law was a Boeing inspector for many years and he was able to point out immediately that the 'recovered' engines and other assorted wreckage was absolutely NOT a Boeing 757.
Please tell me you're kidding.... imagine how large the conspiracy to cover up THAT detail would have to be.
Fox put out a good show (I think it is also on YouTube?) on the GLARING inconcistencies of the Pentagon attack.
Link it to us. No doubt it can be dissected quickly.
Like I said I don't think it's the government, the verdict is still out IMHO.
Not to rational people it isn't.
There also is a really good video that slows down the 'video' of the airplane strike and zooms in on the first couple frames and the picture is clearly a missile not a 757 nose.
Again, please tell me you're kidding...
Damage consistent with a missile, picture of a missile nose on the video, plus all other video that was available is 'locked away'. Sounds just a little fishy to me.
Again, step back for just a sec from what you just said and imagine the massive conspiracy that has to be at work, even now, to cover up that detail. It defines reason.
[quote=dude]
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Good info too.
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No, dude, there's nothing there. Now "good info" would be this guy finding a way to prove that the bodies there were faked (to include their DNA) to cover the conspiracy. Seriously, this is pure moonbat stuff.
How in the hell does anyone recover DNA from bodies that were scortched in an inferno like that one?
note: sounds fishy does not mean conclusive evidence to me. I am still open that my skepticism is misplaced.
[quote=dude]
How in the hell does anyone recover DNA from bodies that were scortched in an inferno like that one?
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Unless the body is burned to ashes it is possible to recover DNA--I would think that you'd know that.
I am also remembering the dozens of people interviewed at the pentagon site that were saying “it sounded like a missile” (yes I know others said it sounded like a plane as well). Whatever…being a moonbat isn’t so bad…right? Um maybe I’ll have the doctors up my meds .
My final link and then I'm done (this is in reponse to NASD's assertion that DNA was recovered etc....). 3/4 down on the page it shows some decent info. Peace.
http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/inside.html
You're not a moonbat, you're a moron.
A plane took off, radar tracked it as it flew into the Pentagon, the plane never appeared anywhere else and none of the passengers phoned home.
A missile large enough to do that much damage would have to have been fired from somewhere--where is that somewhere?
[quote=NASD Newbie]
You're not a moonbat, you're a moron.
A plane took off, radar tracked it as it flew into the Pentagon, the plane never appeared anywhere else and none of the passengers phoned home.
A missile large enough to do that much damage would have to have been fired from somewhere--where is that somewhere?
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From between your ears. There's nothing there now, ya cute little dung beetle you!
[quote=dude]
How in the hell does anyone recover DNA from bodies that were scortched in an inferno like that one?
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It happens all the time, and you can be sure if it couldn't there would be people well versed in the field stepping forward to challenge the findings.
[quote=dude]I am also remembering the dozens of people interviewed at the pentagon site that were saying "it sounded like a missile" (yes I know others said it sounded like a plane as well). Whatever.......being a moonbat isn't so bad....right? Um maybe I'll have the doctors up my meds .[/quote]
If you've ever heard a jet (any jet, much less a large airliner) flying just feet off the deck, you'd know it does sound like a missile. It shouldn't be surprising that people who've never heard a jetliner flying just feet off the ground before would note that it sounds like another form of low flying, very fast device. Most of the noise comes (as it approaches you,) from aerodynamic forces in both cases.
You may be aware that it’s common for hurricane and tornado survivors to say “it sounded like a freight train”. That doesn’t mean it really was a train.
[quote=dude]
My final link and then I'm done (this is in reponse to NASD's assertion that DNA was recovered etc....). 3/4 down on the page it shows some decent info. Peace.
http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/inside.html
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More nothing. The hole in the third ring of the building wasn't made by the noise of the plane, it was made by an engine that was found at the site of the hole.
I'm a liar here's another
from: http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC2_white_p lane
• 9/11 - Witnesses at the Pentagon report the smell of cordite, a smokeless explosive powder.
Gilah Goldsmith, personnel attorney at the Pentagon
"We saw a huge black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or gun smoke." - Jewish News Weekly (09/21/01)
Don Perkal, deputy General Counsel, Office of the Secretary of Defense
"The airliner crashed between two and three hundred feet from my office in the Pentagon, just around a corner from where I work. I'm the deputy General Counsel, Washington Headquarters Services, Office of the Secretary of Defense. A slightly different calibration and I have no doubt I wouldn't be sending this to you. My colleagues felt the impact, which reminded them of an earthquake. People shouted in the corridor outside that a bomb had gone off upstairs on the main concourse in the building. No alarms sounded. I walked to my office, shut down my computer, and headed out. Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere.
Two explosions, a few minutes apart, prompted me to start walking." - McSweeney's Internet Tendency: The Works of Humankind (09/19/01)
- cordite - A smokeless explosive powder consisting of nitrocellulose, nitroglycerin, and petrolatum that has been dissolved in acetone, dried, and extruded in cords.
- Cordite is a smokeless propellent explosive made by combining two explosives: nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin. It has commonly been used in firearms since the early 20th Century. It has also been used in solid fuel rockets.
• 9/11 - Experienced air traffic controllers thought that the alleged Boeing 757 that was flying towards the Pentagon flew like a "military jetfighter."
‘Get These Planes on the Ground’, Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
"And it went six, five, four. And I had it in my mouth to say, three, and all of a sudden the plane turned away. In the room, it was almost a sense of relief. This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital, and to protect our president, and we sat back in our chairs and breathed for just a second," says O'Brien.
But the plane continued to turn right until it had made a 360-degree maneuver." - ABC (10/24/01) [Wayback Machine]
On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked'
"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver."
"Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers." - Washington Post (9/12/01)
Primary Target
"New radar evidence obtained by CBS News strongly suggests that the hijacked jetliner which crashed into the Pentagon hit its intended target."
"But the jet, flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn."
"Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes."
"The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed." - CBS (9/21/01)
[quote=mikebutler222]
You may be aware that it’s common for hurricane and tornado survivors to say “it sounded like a freight train”. That doesn’t mean it really was a train.
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Dude, Mike is mocking you.