The video I referenced looked either like the from of a narrow tipped jet or a missle....either way...

How could somebody with an aluminum foil hat pass Series 7?

Just how DID you do it, NASDy?

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How in the hell does anyone recover DNA from bodies that were scortched in an inferno like that one?

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Unless the body is burned to ashes it is possible to recover DNA--I would think that you'd know that.

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Bodies from the pentagon yeah, but from the plane?  You know I really don't have enough time to research this like I'd like to.  I know that mitochondrial DNA techniques can recover DNA from badly burned tissue and cells but how could all those people survive an explosion that basically disintegrated almost ALL of that plane(very little was recovered)?  Common sense dictates that if all that steel just evaporated what about all that flesh and bone?

MikeB said:

More nothing. The hole in the third ring of the building wasn't made by the noise of the plane, it was made by an engine that was found at the site of the hole.

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Yeah, it's that plane engine which my father in law said "is not a 757 engine, but from a smaller plane" that started to get me interested in all this crap.  Remember, he was a Boeing inspector for many years.

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Yeah, it's that plane engine which my father in law said "is not a 757 engine, but from a smaller plane" that started to get me interested in all this crap.  Remember, he was a Boeing inspector for many years.

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And when was he allowed to personally inspect the engine?

Surely you're not saying that he made that judgement from looking at some photographs.

Where is the 757 that took off from Reagan and flew into the Pentagon--you know the one tracked by radar.

Why haven't the people who were on that plane phoned home if they were not involved in a crash?

Where was the missile fired from?

You mean the one this guy flew:

• 9/11 - Flight 77 is allegedly flown into the Pentagon by 28 year old Saudi Arabian Hani Hanjour who has never flown a Boeing 757 in real life, was described by many of his former flight instructors as a "horrible pilot," is the only alleged hijacker to not have a passenger number or seat assignment, is thought that he might not have had a ticket to get on board the plane, and was unable to rent a single-engine Cessna 172 one month before the attacks because he had trouble controlling and landing it during a flight test.

"Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot.
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." - New York Times (05/04/02)

"I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager - CBS (05/10/02)

"Hijacking Suspects - Aboard American Airlines Flight 77, which took off from Washington Dulles Airport for Los Angeles and crashed into the Pentagon." - ABC (09/15/01)

Alhamzi, Nawaq — Passenger No. 12
Almidhar, Khalid — Passenger No. 20, Seat 12B
Alhamzi, Salem — Passenger No. 13, Seat 5F
Moqed, Majed — Passenger No. 19, Seat 12A
Hanjour, Hani — [N/A]

"His name [Hani Hanjour] was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket." - Washington Post

Tracing Trail Of Hijackers

"The hijacker believed to have steered American Airlines Flight 77 on its fatal path toward the Pentagon recently honed his rusty flying skills at a small Maryland airport, and more than a year ago sought training at a flight school in Arizona.
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said." - Newsday (12/23/01) [Archived:  Wayback Machine

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Yet he was making manuevers that air traffic controlers thought were military fighter manuevers right?

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I'm a liar here's another

from: http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC2_white_p lane[/quote]

Here's a nice line by line take down of this lunacy;

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/lcg2.html

[quote=dude]

MikeB said:

More nothing. The hole in the third ring of the building wasn't made by the noise of the plane, it was made by an engine that was found at the site of the hole.

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Yeah, it's that plane engine which my father in law said "is not a 757 engine, but from a smaller plane" that started to get me interested in all this crap.  Remember, he was a Boeing inspector for many years.

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Then he was right, and based on seeing pieces of engine wreckage on a TV screen he either saw something none of the investigator on the gorund saw OR every FAA investigator is in on the conspiracy, or he was simply wrong. You tell me which is more likely.

BTW, I was mistaken, it was the front landing gear that made the hole.

[quote=dude][quote=NASD Newbie][quote=dude]

How in the hell does anyone recover DNA from bodies that were scortched in an inferno like that one?

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Unless the body is burned to ashes it is possible to recover DNA--I would think that you'd know that.

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Bodies from the pentagon yeah, but from the plane?  You know I really don't have enough time to research this like I'd like to.  I know that mitochondrial DNA techniques can recover DNA from badly burned tissue and cells but how could all those people survive an explosion that basically disintegrated almost ALL of that plane(very little was recovered)?  Common sense dictates that if all that steel just evaporated what about all that flesh and bone?

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The steel didn't "just evaporate", pieces large and small were everywhere and appear in many pictures. The same applies to the flesh and bone.

Now, ask yourself this one, if it wasn't possible, what's kept every DNA expert on the planet from coming forward to point that out, or are they all in on it too?

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You mean the one this guy flew:

• 9/11 - Flight 77 is allegedly flown into the Pentagon by 28 year old Saudi Arabian Hani Hanjour who has never flown a Boeing 757 in real life, was described by many of his former flight instructors as a "horrible pilot," is the only alleged hijacker to not have a passenger number or seat assignment, is thought that he might not have had a ticket to get on board the plane, and was unable to rent a single-engine Cessna 172 one month before the attacks because he had trouble controlling and landing it during a flight test.

Yes, that's the guy. There's nothing in your laundry list there that says he couldn't control the plane in flight even if he sucked at landing it.

Yet he was making manuevers that air traffic controlers thought were military fighter manuevers right?

You might want to reread that quote. The ATC people said they thought it was a fighter not because executing the move with a jetliner would have required a great deal of skill, but because they said it would be "unsafe" to do it in a 757.

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The video I referenced looked either like the from of a narrow tipped jet or a missle....either way...

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If you're talking about the parking lot video, the only one I know of that's been released, the plane it self doesn't appear clearly in it because of the speed of the plane and the slow shutter speed of the camera. However, if it makes you feel better over 200 witnesses saw it as a 757, including the crew of a C130 that ATC asked to monitor it. Of course the deep thinkers of "Loose Nuts" won't bother to point that out.

[quote=NASD Newbie]How could somebody with an aluminum foil hat pass Series 7?[/quote]

Got a 92, which you should recognize since it's in the range of your IQ.

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=dude]

I'm a liar here's another

from: http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html#WTC2_white_p lane[/quote]

Here's a nice line by line take down of this lunacy;

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/lcg2.html

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Thanks, that was a great link.......like I said, I haven't put too much into this and would love to have the time to look into it more but you're putting out some good info there.

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=dude]

The video I referenced looked either like the from of a narrow tipped jet or a missle....either way...

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If you're talking about the parking lot video, the only one I know of that's been released, the plane it self doesn't appear clearly in it because of the speed of the plane and the slow shutter speed of the camera. However, if it makes you feel better over 200 witnesses saw it as a 757, including the crew of a C130 that ATC asked to monitor it. Of course the deep thinkers of "Loose Nuts" won't bother to point that out.

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Good stuff.  Like I said earlier, there's a lot of B.S. in loose change for sure and a few points were made that have been satisfied.  Thanks for the discussion. 

I just had to participate because of all the prior 'conspiracy' crap.

I will say though that y’all (a few individuals in particular) can be serious a*sholes to people who have sincere questions about areas they don’t really care to be experts in.  I have never really put too much energy into researching this stuff (I wish I had time) and loose change was my first exposure to this (well not exactly, I recently saw ferenheight 911, which was all hype IMHO and MikeyB’s input in a previous discussion was helpful).  I still feel like there are questions to be answered like why they won’t release any other videos from surrounding businesses etc… but that certainly is not evidence of a conspiracy.

Hey, speaking of conspiracies, have any of you seen this one?

http://www.flight93crash.com/

I found myself thinking, "well, so what if they did."  In light of everything else going down, it would make sense to shoot down a threat.  I don't necessarily believe this stuff, but it makes for interesting reading.  If any of you have a "debunking" site, I'd be obliged if you could post it...

[quote=dude]I will say though that y'all (a few individuals in particular) can be serious a*sholes to people who have sincere questions about areas they don't really care to be experts in.  I have never really put too much energy into researching this stuff (I wish I had time) and loose change was my first exposure to this (well not exactly, I recently saw ferenheight 911, which was all hype IMHO and MikeyB's input in a previous discussion was helpful).  I still feel like there are questions to be answered like why they won't release any other videos from surrounding businesses etc..... but that certainly is not evidence of a conspiracy.[/quote]

Dude, the only reason I wasn't a major *sshole in this discussion is because I think, based on earlier conversations, that while you're seriously misguided, you're sincere. That and the fact that I'm not interested in a food fight. Otherwise I would have opened up with both barrels. I don’t think their line of “questioning” (they don’t really question, they outright claim a massive conspiracy) is that far removed from suggesting that the boogyman lives under your bed or that your parents actually had two more kids than they told you about, and that they slaughtered them and fed the bodies to you throughout your childhood. It’s maddening to me that they aren’t tarred, feathered and driven out of town on a rail.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

I think that, among other things, what you fail to see (and what causes some of the anger in the responses you get) when you entertain these conspiracy theories, is what you are inferring about a vast number of people, many of whom I believe to be quiet noble, if not outright heroes is pretty nasty stuff.

Leave aside, for example, the attitude of the “Loose Nuts” crowd towards the victims of 9/11 as evidenced in their radio interviews I provided, and look at what would have to be true in their theory held any water;

1)    The <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />US military (since no one else has the weapons) would have to had to attack the Pentagon and kill members of their own. Vast numbers of military people would have to be in on the conspiracy.

2)    Every FAA investigator would have to be in on the conspiracy.

3) Every ATC would have to be in on the conspiracy.

4) Every member of the 9/11 Commission, to include every last staffer, would have to be in on the conspiracy.

5) thousands of yet unmentioned people, from every knowledgeable aircraft manufacturer to the guys that laid the demolitions to bring down the WTC have to be in on it.

6) More amazingly still, every single member of this vast conspiracy has to still, to this very day, be silent about it.

And to what end? Even if the administration was as evil as the “Loose Nuts” types claim, why would they undertake such a massive and potentially damaging ( if caught) conspiracy, since their eeevvviiillll aims could be attained with much smaller, far more easy to control and contain conspiratorial actions? Even Noam Chomsky says as much. It simply makes no sense and no number of “documentaries” with spooky background music based on little more than distortions, junk science and the confused reckonings of people caught in the massive confusion will change that.

Too-I think all this conspiracy b.s. is massively disrespectful to the 3000+ victims(and their families and friends) who perished on 9-11.

Many of these ‘freaks’ are merely exploiting this tragedy for profit and publicity.  Shame on them.

The other day Newbietta and I went to see "World Trade Center."

Don't wait for it to come out on DVD because you'll lose the spectacular sound mixing that they did.

The scenes leading up to the attack are a joy to those who love New York, and the scenes following the attack are very realistic about what it was like afterwards.