Ooo, with that attitude, you’d best look elsewhere. I’ve been at Jones for more than a year now, and have seen lots of roadkill along the way for guys who thought they could “out-think” the Jones system. LOTS of them.

LeaseNoMore, at any firm in which you are an employee, you will have to do it their way in the very beginning.  However, once you get started, they won’t care what you do as long as you are producing. 

If you already have a database large enough that you think that can succeed with them alone why even go to Jones?  Go independent and triple your payout.    You’re gonna do it in 3 years anyhow so why not save the time right from the start?

Baldy is right. I’d join an insurance firm if I had a large database of people to call on. Think it would be hard to go Indy from day one with no experience.



Plus, if you already think Dking is beneath you why join a firm that prides itself on it? Grow up.

[quote=LeaseNoMore] If I come to Mr Jones with a large database of former customers and prospects from a prior business (enough to make warm and cool calls for several years), will they still INSIST that I go trick-or-treating for investments in the neighborhood?[/quote] trick-or-treating for investors cant believe I dint think of it, but anyway I talked to a jones recruiter once they said you dint have to door knock. However cant always believe a recruiter.

[quote=voltmoie]Baldy is right. I’d join an insurance firm if I had a large database of people to call on. Think it would be hard to go Indy from day one with no experience.



Plus, if you already think Dking is beneath you why join a firm that prides itself on it? Grow up.[/quote]

I must say volt is right.  When I was going to work for EDJ, I forced myself to accept the “Jones Recipe” and not try to out-think it.  Sure, there are a million ways to sell, but all the resources you have are designed to support a specific methodology.

Selling is hard enough… have you read the forums?  I think you will make it even harder when you are trying to out-think the company… just added, unnecessary stress. If you think the company’s methods are dumb, you won’t be a happy employee.  Unhappiness leads to resentment.  Jones has a very strong culture.  If you start with a chip on your shoulder, I doubt you will be successful there.  I’m not saying you will fail… I’m saying you will probably quit before that happens because you don’t like people forcing you to do things you don’t want to do.

I wouldn’t say it’s an better at a wire. I think the difference (someone correct me if I’m wrong), is that everything is more manager driven. My first manager liked my business plan and was very supportive.  My new manager is the complete opposite.  If I don’t adapt (at least partially), my life will become difficult.

Of course, this only applies to new guys.  The big producers (at any firm) can basically do what they want.  Until you are bringing money into the firm, expect to be told what to do.

Wow… what a great resource.  I posted a question… ran up to visit my daughter at college… then came home to find all kinds of valuable responses (well… almost all of them).

If I come to Mr Jones with a large database of former customers and prospects from a prior business (enough to make warm and cool calls for several years), will they still INSIST that I go trick-or-treating for investments in the neighborhood?

Uhhh… Isn’t this the rookies & trainees area?   Seems logical that this would be the place to ask questions of the vets, with the hope of getting honest, yet respectful responses.  If we already knew everything like you do, we wouldn’t be here.  So I ask you, oh wise one… Why the hostile response to a newbie feeling his way into a new world?

Uhhh… Isn’t this the rookies & trainees area?   Seems logical that this would be the place to ask questions of the vets, with the hope of getting honest, yet respectful responses.  If we already knew everything like you do, we wouldn’t be here.  So I ask you, oh wise one… Why the hostile response to a newbie feeling his way into a new world?

I didn’t mean to be "disrespectful"either, but if you really don’t want to doorknock, then just find a different firm. All of Jones’ training will be geared toward making first (and many subsequent) contacts face-to-face. If you don’t believe in the premise, you won’t get a thing out of the training anyway. Jones is not going to teach you how to cold-call. Let a wirehouse teach you a phone-only business model.

Thanks deekay & inland…  This is an odd situation I find myself in (owner of a moderately successful business forced to make a career change due to the tanking of an entire industry).

Nah, you won’t be “all in” you’ve already convinced yourself you are better than all three options.



Time to add a fourth you can get behind.

[quote=LeaseNoMore]

Hey Volt…  I must be in the wrong forum.  I thought this was Registered Rep, but apparently it is Registered Pychoanalyst.

Do it on a sheet of paper at home if you don’t want feedback. Come on here and you’re going to get an opinion.



Remember, you don’t know any of these people. They can’t tell you what to do. They might or might not be what they say so how the hell do you expect to make an “intelligent, thought-out decision” on here.



Pick up the phone and call people in each firm all across the country and get the real truth.

Thanks Volt…  “Feedback” would be giving an opinion on the 3 firms mentioned, not presuming to know me well enough to know what I would do with your input.

Volt - owned

So, you are using strangers on an internet forum as a resource to make a decision that will have profound effects on your life and career? That’s sad. Do some real work you lazy bastard. ( i say that in kind terms, seriously) Go meet with people in the field. If I had listened to most of these idiots I would still be looking for a job since every firm except their 1 person office is terrible.



Here is my feedback for you:



Choose NY Life. I work for them. They do a great job helping you develop your natural market. In less than a year I’m already on track to make six figures. Don’t worry about the insurance part, I can focus on whatever I want as long as I’m bringing in the numbers. I’m an investment guy and my manager is cool with that. In fact, most of the INSURANCE guys in my office just throw me referrals because they don’t want to deal with it.



…curious how I was owned, Ron, we’re having a discussion? I’m not trying to one-up him