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Apr 12, 2007 12:34 am

[quote=silouette]

Looks to me like you’re leading a one-man lynch mob.  Good luck with that.

 Wow man, jumping in here with your profound insights regarding the topic.

I think I'm starting to get it.

According to the lexicon of Joe, here is the definition of a one man lynch mob: one who challenges the bullying behaviour of certain forum members.

" Some times I even find Bobby thought provoking when I can get past the sturm and drang."

And what makes you feel like you need to defend Bobby, since you brought up the lynch mob metaphor?

Did you know it is really sturm und drang?

So, basically, you feel Bobby's storm and impulse routine is just cute.

After you backed off on the dropping soap in the shower stuff, it looked like there might be some hope. I don't really care, have your little fun, anyway, you just might consider that sometimes others might feel it is demeaning. 

Feel free to take some more shots here, or go back and quote me where I was off base. I'm done with this topic.   

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Perhaps in hindsight I could have chosen a more appropriate metaphor.

With the exception of the rare occasions where the mods find a poster's behavior to be completely unacceptable, this is generally a forum where one is free to speak their mind.

I don't always like BH's posts...other times I do find them to be entertaining or thought provoking.  Calling some one a "liar" might be a bit over the top, but then again he was completely wrong about the whole issue with M&E being charged against fixed accounts in a VA.

BH might suffer from a lack of tact, but at least he is willing to call out BS when he thinks he sees it, and there's plenty of that floating around here.

Regardless, unless and until he(or you) are banned, he has the right to his say, just as you have the right to challenge him.

All I was simply trying to state is that if you feel the need to put on your white linen gloves and ride around preaching from your high moral horse, you might find that you are embarking on a rather solitary journey around these parts.
Apr 12, 2007 12:36 am

[quote=Bamzor][quote=Bobby Hull]

Sooooo....what did you get when you backed out the bonus?

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Bobby there was no bonus. The broker sold the dca feature as a Bonus. I am drinking Crown now, but it was dca @ 9% for 6 months into the fixed sub account at 3.1 it stayed in the fixed sub-account the whole time. I can copy the history if I must. As stated earlier it changed to 3% last month. This happen 4.5 years ago. It has been in the fixed account the whole time. No withdraws the client puts in $116,568, 4.5 years later it is worth $129,645. 116568 / 129645 = .8999 or 10.1%  total return for 4.5 years. This equates at best to 2.3 avg rate of return at best. Call Hartford there are underlining expenses or it would have averaged 3.1%.

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The math ain't making sense. Regardless...if the client was misled, I completely disagree with the tactic. You already know how I feel about the kids that work in banks.

Are you going to exchange him into another annuity? It's a slam dunk of a sale. All you have to do is tape a note on the back of a dog....

Apr 12, 2007 12:39 am

[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=silouette]

Looks to me like you're leading a one-man lynch mob.  Good luck with that.

 Wow man, jumping in here with your profound insights regarding the topic.

I think I'm starting to get it.

According to the lexicon of Joe, here is the definition of a one man lynch mob: one who challenges the bullying behaviour of certain forum members.

" Some times I even find Bobby thought provoking when I can get past the sturm and drang."

And what makes you feel like you need to defend Bobby, since you brought up the lynch mob metaphor?

Did you know it is really sturm und drang?

So, basically, you feel Bobby's storm and impulse routine is just cute.

After you backed off on the dropping soap in the shower stuff, it looked like there might be some hope. I don't really care, have your little fun, anyway, you just might consider that sometimes others might feel it is demeaning. 

Feel free to take some more shots here, or go back and quote me where I was off base. I'm done with this topic.   

[/quote]

Perhaps in hindsight I could have chosen a more appropriate metaphor.

With the exception of the rare occasions where the mods find a poster's behavior to be completely unacceptable, this is generally a forum where one is free to speak their mind.

I don't always like BH's posts...other times I do find them to be entertaining or thought provoking.  Calling some one a "liar" might be a bit over the top, but then again he was completely wrong about the whole issue with M&E being charged against fixed accounts in a VA.

BH might suffer from a lack of tact, but at least he is willing to call out BS when he thinks he sees it, and there's plenty of that floating around here.

Regardless, unless and until he(or you) are banned, he has the right to his say, just as you have the right to challenge him.

All I was simply trying to state is that if you feel the need to put on your white linen gloves and ride around preaching from your high moral horse, you might find that you are embarking on a rather solitary journey around these parts.
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Joe, you're wrong about my being wrong about M&E being charged against the fixed bucket. It doesn't happen.

Apr 12, 2007 12:40 am

[quote=silouette]

You guys may have the most posts under you, so you know the “rules.” 

Bam, looks like you are the smartest one here, since you recognize that of course, this is really a discussion about culture. It does begin to become clear how certain members of the tribe strive to isolate "inappropriate" behaviour. Wonder who will be voted off the island ( not that I really care  ).

[/quote]

If you don't really care, then why did you come back?

And why have you once again steered the topic to this?

If you feel the need to challenge posters for their behavior you are free to do so.

If you engage in a behavior that created an undesirable response in the past, why should you be suprised if it creates a similar undesirable response when you do it all over again?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Look, hopefully this doesn't perpetuate into another silly flame war.  I don't intend to perpetuate it.  But I wouldn't be shocked at all if you insisted on stirring the pot over and over until again you were banned(again).  I think you just can't help yourself.
Apr 12, 2007 12:41 am

[quote=Bobby Hull]

Joe, you’re wrong about my being wrong about M&E being charged against the fixed bucket. It doesn’t happen.

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Let me be clear.  On this I was AGREEING with you when you challenged the other poster who said that it WAS charged against the fixed bucket.
Apr 12, 2007 12:56 am

[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=Bobby Hull]

Joe, you're wrong about my being wrong about M&E being charged against the fixed bucket. It doesn't happen.

[/quote]

Let me be clear.  On this I was AGREEING with you when you challenged the other poster who said that it WAS charged against the fixed bucket.
[/quote]

I just re-read your post. I was wrong about you being wrong. Now, I agree with you and you were right about my being right.

Apr 12, 2007 1:29 am

[quote=silouette]

If you’re not a liar, what do you care? It doesn’t

matter what people call you. What matters is what you answer to.



<a href=“http://powerpresentations.blogs.com/my_weblog/2006/05/
<br / target=”_blank">when_did_you_st.html"> http://powerpresentations.blogs.com/

my_weblog/2006/05/when_d id_you_st.html



So, have you stopped beating your wife?[/

P]

I guess what I’m saying is, some of Bobby’s comments make me feel

cheap and dirty, just logging into the forum. For myself, I’d rather choose

that feeling, like staying up too late and having extra drinks and smoking

a cigar.



If there were not so many smart, thoughtful people here, I probably

wouldn’t care.



Maybe he could get his needs met somewhere else. There must be

some forum where people like to talk sales, and beat on each other, in

a what many folks would consider, dysfunctional sort of way.



Why are you so interested in defending Bobby’s right to bully along

with his right to express his “professional” ideas?

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Because I detest censorship, and the arrogance that goes along with it.
Apr 12, 2007 2:18 am

[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=silouette]

You guys may have the most posts under you, so you know the "rules." 

Bam, looks like you are the smartest one here, since you recognize that of course, this is really a discussion about culture. It does begin to become clear how certain members of the tribe strive to isolate "inappropriate" behaviour. Wonder who will be voted off the island ( not that I really care  ).

[/quote]

If you don't really care, then why did you come back?

And why have you once again steered the topic to this?

If you feel the need to challenge posters for their behavior you are free to do so.

If you engage in a behavior that created an undesirable response in the past, why should you be suprised if it creates a similar undesirable response when you do it all over again?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Look, hopefully this doesn't perpetuate into another silly flame war.  I don't intend to perpetuate it.  But I wouldn't be shocked at all if you insisted on stirring the pot over and over until again you were banned(again).  I think you just can't help yourself.
[/quote]

? Are you the site moderator for RR or something ? I just made a few observations. Do you have a history of banning people you don't like?

Hey, buddy, you and your pals can do whatever you want here. Must have made some comments kind of close to home.

Of course I care about the topic, I just don't care who gets voted off the island.