Safer now that "W" is gone
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I’m 27. I have the “right” to go into a bar on a Saturday night and have a few drinks. Do I still get looked up and down and have bouncers ask me questions about info on my license to make sure I’m 21 and allowed in the bar? Yes. Do I care? No, as long as the end result is I end up in the bar. Do 39 year old cougars get pulled aside and looked up and down by bouncers questioning whether they are of legal age to get into the bar? No. Is that discriminatory against me? No, its just the establishment doing what they have to do to make sure that everyone going inside is 21. Who does the bar see as more likely to be underaged and using a fake ID, someone who’s 27 or someone who’s 39? My guess is that they look at me and think I have more potential to be underaged. How is this different from profiling at an airport security checkpoint? Or at the customs? A 56 year old white grandma is 100% less likely to be strapping on bombs than a 30 year old Muslim, so why does the white grandma have the same odds of getting pulled aside in the airport than the Muslim? Its not stereotyping if the facts back up the actions.
I live in the real world. I am happy for you that there are others who will do the things you despise so that you can live in your fantasy world. I couldn’t stomach the betrayal. Perhaps that makes ME weak. But I have given enough. My family has given enough. Between my mother, brother, father and I - 60 years of service and one dead. Forget grandparents. Two generations, and for what? So people can pretend the world is cozy and sweet.
I have given enough. And I will keep my family safe. Without the government’s help.
When we are at war certain steps must be taken to win said war. Go back to the civil war and see what old Abe had to do. After that tell me if what Bush did was so bad.
You see, history teaches us everything we need to know about our current conflict. If only some wouldn’t seek to rewrite it the threat could be eliminated more quickly. The problem with Bush with respect to the war on terror was he was just too damn effective. If we had a few attacks on the homeland guys like Bondguy would be begging for racial profiling and wiretaps.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how the liberals would cry foul if Abe were President today.
[quote=BondGuy]
People are basically good. I believe that. If you think that makes me weak, so be it!
Moraen you live in a sad place. I'm glad i don't live there. [/quote] Speaking of people being good, the Beltway Sniper is set to be executed tonight. I lived in DC in the fall of 2002. I'm going to guess you didn't, BG.ThoughtCo Abraham Lincoln's 1861 Proclamation Suspended Right of Habeas Corpus
Along with a declaring martial law, PresidentLincoln ordered the suspension of the constitutionally protected right to writs of habeas corpus.
This is leadership in the time of war. This is what I DEMAND from the President of the United States of America. His number 1 duty is to protect the sovereignty of our land.
Ben Franklin was weak. He was a French-kissing weakling. In fact, he was a loyalist for most of the time. Self-interest and snubbing by Parliament is what made him a rebel.
I’ve read three Franklin biographies.
As clearly stated in the link volt so generously provided, the CONSTITUTION allows for suspension of habeus corpus.
[quote=JackBlack]
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)[/quote]
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.”
Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
[quote=JackBlack]
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)[/quote] "Those who invent electricity by flying a kite, wear a long-haired wig and can't keep his weight down don't need to be the driving force behind my views of freedom." 3rdyrp2 (1982- )I don't post on here very often, mostly just read looking for helpful hints and the amusing threads from time to time. But Moraen, I wanted to say really quick thank you for the service that you and your family have given to this country.
I agree with everything you have said in this thread. It really has come to the point now where we can't rely on this government to take care of us and ensure our safety. George W I feel will go down as one of the better Presidents when it comes to protecting his country, and doing what he knew he had to do for the good of the country, instead of putting apologizing to everyone else. I really am embarrassed with alot of the things our government and President are doing right now, and like you said earlier, I will rely on myself to protect those that mean the most to me, because obviously some of the higher ups don't really care about us little people.I couldn't agree more. I feel that the government should keep its nose out of my business so long as my decisions do not effect someone else's personal liberty. If I want to own a firearm, I will. If I choose to grow and smoke marijuana, I will. If I choose to not wear my seat belt, I won't. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, I will not tell her no because I have trouble sleeping at night. If I choose to speed, I should be fined. If I choose to start an altercation without cause, I should have someone show me my place. Do not push your opinions and beliefs on me and I will not force mine on you!!!We have only those rights we can defend with our bare hands and any weapons we can get our hands on BondGuy.
I don’t need a Bill of Rights to tell me what my rights are. However, I live in a country with others. The fact that I choose to do so, means that I must limit what my rights are, as do you.
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. - Thomas Jefferson
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First, I do not care what type of person Benjamin Franklin. If you have, problems with the idea attack the idea, not the man who said it. Your attack was ad hominem.
“The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."
Military Commissions Act of 2006
“No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination."
Bush suspension of Habeas Corpus only applies to aliens detained by the <?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />United States. The Writ of Habeas Corpus for US citizens is still in place.
Here’s a ‘what if’ that plays out in my mind during some darker ponderings.
What happens if (I hope not 'when') we have some sort of coordinated domestic attack on a series of soft targets (malls, schools, day care centers, hospitals, etc.) by a group of oh, say, maybe some native born converts to Islam, or some 2nd generation immigrants from (insert middle eastern country here), or something along that line? As we march down this road, is that scenario totally unthinkable? If Achmed, Jafar and Syiad light up the local KinderCare, do you think we will continue to pull 67 year old Norwegian librarians out of line at the airport, or will we be debating who gets to move into your kids' pediatrician's house, newly vacated, after he and his extended family are sent to the recently constructed internment camps in Love Canal paid for with a new issue of Rebuild America Bonds?The quote had everything to do with the man. Hard to take someone seriously who would have given up his freedom in an instant for the respect of Parliament.
My rights are not violated when Habeeb’s phone is wiretapped. They are violated when some liberal bytch passes a 1900 page health care plan.
Moraen:
Yo are still attacking the man instead of the IDEA. The idea still stands even if the man who said it did not live up to the quote. Again attack the IDEA not the person who said it.[quote=JackBlack]Moraen:
Yo are still attacking the man instead of the IDEA. The idea still stands even if the man who said it did not live up to the quote. Again attack the IDEA not the person who said it. [/quote]I'm lost on your logic Jack, if the man didn't live up to the quote then the words are worthless.