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May 4, 2007 4:41 pm

I hear that this guy Sanjayah is capital t capital b The Bomb!

Make a record and release in it India, you'll be wealthy beyond your rajah dreams! 

OH!

Back to the list: Leslie West!

If we're going to do a "Best" debate, I'll throw all my weight behind Jeff Beck.

The guy is like 62 years old and if you heard his last album "Jeff" you know this guy can still blow most others off the stage! (having said this, I have to admit that I really don't know how much of his appeal to me is a result of having been cleaned up in the studio. His "Live at BB King's" is one of those discs that I stuck in a draw and haven't taken back out it just so muddled.

This allows me to comment on the Pete Townshend live issue. I agree Maxstud, the guy tears up the stage when he's on it. (I stopped going to live Who shows after Quadrophenia, and he mainly played acoustic and had Simon and some other guy filling in the Townshend stuff as he tried to protect what little hearing he has left.)

If you never saw the 9/11 concert, I'd recommend it highly! dozens of acts and The Bleedy 'OO owned that concert!

Point is though that Townshend does it with the power chords. The guitar ending of "Cry If You Want" is running through my mind as I write this. It rocks, but it doesn't shred. Again, Moonie and Ox did most of the shredding for this band.

The Power chord hit me in a different spot on the soul than lead. When Jimi opens up on Izabella for example it "flicks my bean" so to speak but power chords are more like a violent mosh pit sort of experience. Power chords are why I'm also a Clash fan.

I always have to laugh when I hear Ramoneacks whine "They invented punk rock, why didn't they ever get as popular as the Clash?" Well, maybe because it took more than just banging on instruments to be interesting (after the first song, and half way though the second by which time you realize it sounds exactly like the first one.) 

May 4, 2007 7:21 pm

Well, I'll use that as a pivot point to twist the conversation towards listening modes (it sort of brings us close to on topic).

I can't see how the satellite radio companies can survive. You mention a band that I ought to listen to, I flick to Rhapsody, I'm listening to that song!

I was going there to pop on some Kinks, got sidelined into Starka's Super Session trai to cry and then hit Work Song on a Bloomfield album.

I would be hard pressed to say which I like better, the guitar in East West or the guitar in Work Song (both on the EastWest album). East West is ridiculously good! But Work song is too and it has "more" soul.

There are days I feel guilty for still listening to these guys 40+ years after I first started to... But I've heard damn few who surpass some of that music.

After this, Kinks.

May 4, 2007 8:36 pm

I won't give iPod that much credit.

The credit goes to the mpeg guys and the guys at Real.com.

These guys (using my money) kept trying and trying to bring this baby to life. Idiot geeks like me who bough Sprak drives and zip drives and bought the MPeg programs to rip our albums to digital.

Then came Rio. The Rio Volt was the best player for guys who burned their own mp3 sized files to a cd (I still have the first ones I burnt, what's cool is that they play on my "cd changer" car stereo, so my "6 disc" changer has the equivalent of almost 120 albums in it.

While I'm album oriented, I use the "rental agreement" model of Rhapsody for my mp3 players. I have the clunky 5 gig h10 and the girls each have a couple of gigs each on their mp3 players. Everybody's music is 14.95 a month. They have hundreds of songs and they can change them when ever to what ever. Me?  I was flipping around and found this guy "Lil Ed and the Blues Imperials" and so I took on two of his albums. He mean good, wicked good! It cost's me no more to have him or to toss him if it turned out he stank! With a Fm transmitter from Marshalls for $20, I put the mp3 on random and play the mp3 player over the car stereo.

Ipod popularized the process, that's for sure. But it's like Xerox all over again.

I think the artist is comped based on the number of people who listen to the songs, sort of like radio royalties, 2 cents per person per song?  

May 6, 2007 1:41 pm

Prince

Ian Moore

Eric Johnson

Frank Marino

Brian May

Ted Nugent

May 8, 2007 5:12 pm

Got Jimi's "Blues" album on (low volume).

Yeehaa!

May 8, 2007 5:38 pm

Coming in late:

Alvin Lee  Going Home 

Johnny Winter (ok more blues than rock)

Gary Moore   Still Got The Blues For You,  incredible guitar playing.

Graham Parker   still rocking today

I still have my Martin D-10 Dreadnought, that my parents bought for me back in the mid 60's.   I know.  I'm old.

My brother also was a professional musician and has his original Fender Stratocaster (dont know the year but I think , amp and of course wah wah pedal, plus a collection of other guitars and an origial Moog Synthesizer. 

May 8, 2007 5:53 pm

It's tough to comprehend that the format we grew up with -- the album -- is essentially dead.

I love the ability to burn my own music CDs and have about 10 gigs of music downloaded from the net and copied from CD's that I have purchased.  From the 1920's to now, country to jazz to blues to rock.  Everything except rap.

Some songs need to be experienced in a complete album setting.  The Eagles Desperado album must be heard in it's complete order.  The songs make up a story.  You miss that when you just hear Tequila Sunrise or the title song out of context.

May 8, 2007 6:33 pm

Johnny Winter (ok more blues than rock)

I have been thinking about this, and I think that in order for someone to be a "Great Guitarist" they would have to have been a couple of things

1. Consistently better than "good".

2. Must be doing something of his her own.

This is where I think a whole lot of really good craftsmen are separated from the artists.

Robin Trower is as good an example of this as I can think of. Here was a guy who could actually sound like Jimi Hendrix. Yet he never achieved sustained success. I thought at the time that I really didn't care about Trower, and I wondered why. The answer, I thought was that something was missing (it may be that I just felt as though I were betraying my Jimi fandom by "cheating" with RT).

I think the greats though built on what came before, or shattered what was there. Like the guy who did "Surfer Music" Guitar. It wasn't the greatest virtuoso playing but it struck a nerve.

There are plenty of guys who play what has been done, even if they can do it better, they're still just good, or maybe even really good, not quite great.

As to RRBD's each to their ownness comment. The line that came to mind "You're living in your own private Idaho!"

I agree with rLAW I have no iea what my children listen to, I look at their mp3 players and I watch what they down load from Rhapsody, but there isn't the sort of embarassment that I had when Goats Head Soup came out and there I was playing it when on came Star Star in the miidle of a family function.

Or even when Roger screamed "What is it? I'll take it! Who is she? OOOh I'll Rape it!" err... next song...

Meanwhile, once we were in the car and Now That's What I call Music some number was in the cd player. I took it out and threw it out the window! That made an impact! (they don't listen to cds anymore.)  

May 8, 2007 6:35 pm

To be sure that I'm clear... I absolutely agree on Johnny Winter!

He fits both criteria IMHO.

May 8, 2007 7:10 pm

OK Now I'm screwing around on my lunch cruising for rock memories of you tube.  See what you started!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jl8nyXookP0&mode=related& search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4O_YMLDvvnw&mode=related& search=

Wait for the guitar solo at the end. He can make that guitar cry and sing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBcNOp0EZBc&mode=related& search=

For God's sake put on a shirt.

Edgar Winter wasn't too bad either in his own way.

Beck and Clapton

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ZBeerUD-zc&mode=related& search=

Here....waste your lunch hour like I did.  Loving this thread.

May 8, 2007 8:45 pm

I knew I knew that song, From Secret Policeman's Ball (or Other Ball)

Thanks for the lynx!

Do you know? Is there a way to download those to my mp3 player (actually my daughter's have the video capabilities, but I do have those micro sds (which just blow my mind. Walmart had 2 gig micro sds for like $50, it'll be days before all your DVD's are quaint collectables and you'll just slip a micro sd into the TV to watch a movie in HD) so I can store my vids and watch when she's not looking!)

I have Jeff Live with BBKing on the DVR. Jeff keeps goading BB into a guitar duel, BB is "No way man, I don't want none of that!!"

May 9, 2007 1:29 pm

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

I knew I knew that song, From Secret Policeman's Ball (or Other Ball)

Thanks for the lynx!

Do you know? Is there a way to download those to my mp3 player (actually my daughter's have the video capabilities, but I do have those micro sds (which just blow my mind. Walmart had 2 gig micro sds for like $50, it'll be days before all your DVD's are quaint collectables and you'll just slip a micro sd into the TV to watch a movie in HD) so I can store my vids and watch when she's not looking!)

I have Jeff Live with BBKing on the DVR. Jeff keeps goading BB into a guitar duel, BB is "No way man, I don't want none of that!!"

[/quote]

you may want to google "you tube grabber" or something like that. i haven't used it very much, but it's a little program that can "grab" clips from youtube.

May 9, 2007 1:36 pm

Thanks for the hint, I'll look at it.!

May 9, 2007 1:50 pm

What do you guitar playin guys think of those headless guitars, like the one Johnny Winter is playing in that vid?

That's Steinberger right?

May 10, 2007 12:37 am

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

What do you guitar playin guys think of those headless guitars, like the one Johnny Winter is playing in that vid?

That's Steinberger right?

[/quote]

I hate them. My main guitars are a '52 Reissue Telecaster and a Martin HD-28. I bought the Martin brand new in '95 and it's been fun watching the wood change color. The tone is much richer than it used to be. I have a few others that I don't play too much. I still have my first axe - a 1981 Peavey T-60 that sounds/plays so sweet.

May 10, 2007 1:48 am

[quote=Bobby Hull]

I hate them. My main guitars are a '52 Reissue Telecaster and a Martin HD-28. I bought the Martin brand new in '95 and it's been fun watching the wood change color. The tone is much richer than it used to be. I have a few others that I don't play too much. I still have my first axe - a 1981 Peavey T-60 that sounds/plays so sweet.

[/quote]

I have a D-18 I bought new in '93 and have enjoyed watching/hearing the changes you mention.  Not the punch of the 28's, but great tone.  My main player is a Gallagher G-70  (it has got the punch!).  No electics here, just acoustics!

May 10, 2007 1:52 am

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

What do you guitar playin guys think of those headless guitars, like the one Johnny Winter is playing in that vid?

That's Steinberger right?

[/quote]

I don't like them esthetically, but I suppose it would depend on what you are used to using.  I love the feel of my Martin D-10 and am used to the heft, shape and overall experience.  When I switch to my older Gibson or classical gut string piece of crap it just doesn't feel right.  Kind of like having sex with a stranger.  Oh wait....maybe that wasn't the best analogy

But then, I mostly play acoustical instruments. It probably is different for electric.  There is an interesting story about the guitar that Gary Moore uses and how the sound from the pickups is  distinctive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Moore

(was Babbling Looney.   If I ever recover my password I'll post back there....but a rose by any other name and all that stuff.)

May 11, 2007 4:44 pm

[quote=rrbdlawyer]

Okay guys, so now we have our own off-topic, non-industry thread in which to talk about the greatest of all musical instruments: the electric guitar.  To pick up (there’s a pun) where be left off on the other thread, let’s see if we agree on the greats (in no particular order).

[/quote]

Since it appears the markets have dodged a bullet, I submit:
 
How about Slash, Gene Simmons and Peter Frampton?
May 11, 2007 10:08 pm

[quote=skeedaddy2] [quote=rrbdlawyer]

Okay guys, so now we have our own off-topic, non-industry thread in which to talk about the greatest of all musical instruments: the electric guitar.  To pick up (there's a pun) where be left off on the other thread, let's see if we agree on the greats (in no particular order).

[/quote]

Since it appears the markets have dodged a bullet, I submit:
 
How about Slash, Gene Simmons and Peter Frampton?
[/quote]

Slash doesn't get credit for as good as he it. Frampton rocks. Gene Simmons plays bass. Anyone can play bass.

May 11, 2007 10:59 pm

damn! I was going to throw Slash up there but I thought you would flame me.  Going to see VR this month -