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Sep 19, 2005 4:12 pm

[quote=mikebutler222]

Here's another hint for menotellthetruth/sonny

SUBCHAPTER IV--MAJOR DISASTER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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§ 5170. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 401}

All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the disaster is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary. As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan. The Governor shall furnish information on the nature and amount of State and local resources which have been or will be committed to alleviating the results of the disaster, and shall certify that, for the current disaster, State and local government obligations and expenditures (of which State commitments must be a significant proportion) will comply with all applicable cost-sharing requirements of this Act. Based on the request of a Governor under this section, the President may declare under this Act that a major disaster or emergency exists.

(Pub. L. 93-288, title IV, § 401, as added Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 106(a)(3), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4696.)

Now, where does it say the Feds assume control after the pres declares and emergency?

[/quote]

I like this...you missed the first sentence:

"All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State."

See Mr. Butler...this means that the state must request a declaration of a federal disaster from the President.  The President already made the declaration on 8/29 (he declared an emergency on 8/27).

At the point at which the governors realize it is over their heads and make a request for a declaration...it is in the feds hands once the declaration is made.

Thus...young Mr. Bush was at the helm.

Any questions?

 

Sep 19, 2005 4:13 pm

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname]

Looks like the feds failed on all levels.

[/quote]

Looks like you still can't admit your error....

[/quote]

Pardon?

Sep 19, 2005 4:13 pm

[quote=menotellname]

Looks like the feds failed on all levels.

[/quote]

You must have simply missed this line from your own post;

It forms the basis of how federal departments and agencies will work together and how the federal government will coordinate with state, local, and tribal governments and the private sector during incidents.  

Notice how it DOES NOT say anything about the Feds assuming control....

Sep 19, 2005 4:17 pm

[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]

Here's another hint for menotellthetruth/sonny

SUBCHAPTER IV--MAJOR DISASTER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

<?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" />

§ 5170. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 401}

All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the disaster is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary. As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan. The Governor shall furnish information on the nature and amount of State and local resources which have been or will be committed to alleviating the results of the disaster, and shall certify that, for the current disaster, State and local government obligations and expenditures (of which State commitments must be a significant proportion) will comply with all applicable cost-sharing requirements of this Act. Based on the request of a Governor under this section, the President may declare under this Act that a major disaster or emergency exists.

(Pub. L. 93-288, title IV, § 401, as added Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 106(a)(3), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4696.)

Now, where does it say the Feds assume control after the pres declares and emergency?

[/quote]

I like this...you missed the first sentence:

"All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State."

See Mr. Butler...this means that the state must request a declaration of a federal disaster from the President.  The President already made the declaration on 8/29 (he declared an emergency on 8/27).

At the point at which the governors realize it is over their heads and make a request for a declaration...it is in the feds hands once the declaration is made.

Thus...young Mr. Bush was at the helm.

Any questions?

 

[/quote]

ROFLMAO, it's amazing how you can't even read a line IN FRONT OF YOU IN BOLD LETTERS. Here, TRY AGAIN; As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan.

Note the word "DIRECT".....

Face it, pal, you've been exposed. A declaration of emergency does NOT mean the Feds have taken over, the law SPECIFICALLY says the governor is to DIRECT the state plan. All it does is make Federal funds available, as has been pointed out to you numerous times.

Sep 19, 2005 4:35 pm

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]

Here's another hint for menotellthetruth/sonny

SUBCHAPTER IV--MAJOR DISASTER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

<?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" />

§ 5170. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 401}

All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the disaster is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary. As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan. The Governor shall furnish information on the nature and amount of State and local resources which have been or will be committed to alleviating the results of the disaster, and shall certify that, for the current disaster, State and local government obligations and expenditures (of which State commitments must be a significant proportion) will comply with all applicable cost-sharing requirements of this Act. Based on the request of a Governor under this section, the President may declare under this Act that a major disaster or emergency exists.

(Pub. L. 93-288, title IV, § 401, as added Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 106(a)(3), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4696.)

Now, where does it say the Feds assume control after the pres declares and emergency?

[/quote]

I like this...you missed the first sentence:

"All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State."

See Mr. Butler...this means that the state must request a declaration of a federal disaster from the President.  The President already made the declaration on 8/29 (he declared an emergency on 8/27).

At the point at which the governors realize it is over their heads and make a request for a declaration...it is in the feds hands once the declaration is made.

Thus...young Mr. Bush was at the helm.

Any questions?

 

[/quote]

ROFLMAO, it's amazing how you can't even read a line IN FRONT OF YOU IN BOLD LETTERS. Here, TRY AGAIN; As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan.

Note the word "DIRECT".....

Face it, pal, you've been exposed. A declaration of emergency does NOT mean the Feds have taken over, the law SPECIFICALLY says the governor is to DIRECT the state plan. All it does is make Federal funds available, as has been pointed out to you numerous times.

[/quote]

Here Mike...take a look...

The entire National Response Plan...all 426 pages:

http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf

I like Section III, Roles and Responsibilities, under the heading Federal Government.  Under the subsections; Department of Homeland Security, Secretary of Homeland Security...item 4.

Which clearly states:

"Pursuant to HSPD-5, the Secretary of Homeland Security is responsible for coordinating Federal operations within the United States to prepare for, respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and other emergencies.  HSPD-5 further designates the Secretary of Homeland Security as the "principal Federal official" for domestic incident management.

In this role, the Secretary is also responsible for coordinating Federal resources utilized in response to or recovery from terrorist attacks, major disasters, or other emergencies if and when any of the following four conditions applies:

(1)  a Federal department or agency acting under its own authority has requested DHS assistance;

(2)  the resources of State and local authorities are overwhelmed and Federal assistance is requested;

(3)  more than one Federal department or agency has become substantially involved in responding to the incident; or

(4)  the Secretary has been directed to assume incident management responsibilities by the President."

****************************************************

You are Starka keep harping on #2.  Keep in mind that the exact verbage states "or" (see number 3) not "and".

Also, #4 applied from 8/29 at the absolute lastest when the President declared a Federal disaster and sent in Mike Brown.

Any questions?

Mike, I am sure that you will post some useless diatribe after reading page 8...

*sighs*

Sep 19, 2005 5:20 pm

You’ve been corrected, AGAIN, on the other thread. Stop wasting bandwidth by lying on multiple threads.

Sep 19, 2005 6:18 pm

Check your favorite thread, Mike.