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Oct 1, 2008 5:00 pm
walking9:

BG is an old liberal, you have to cut him slack. I would rather have a dead conservative tended by a moose hunter than a lively liberal whose veep usta party on Ted’s sailboat. Anyway, the old East coastas who never been West can’t “get” Palin - she’s about the guy who sells welding supplies, not the medical resesearcher at Havad.

  Walking9, of all the people posting here, believe me when I tell you, you don't have to cut me any slack. And you insulted welding salesman everywhere. Well, unless they too believe that being able to see Russia from an island they've never been to qualifies them for executive office.   Oh wait maybe i took your post the wrong way. When you said she's about the guy who sells welding supplies, not Harvard medical researchers you do mean that really smart people don't get Palin and the not as smart average blue collar guys do? Or were you saying that men's men, those who work real jobs, with their hands get Palin, but those egg head pussys working in labs don't? In other words, We don't care what she says, she's hot!   Nah, i'm sticking with my first take. You insulted welding guys everywhere. I have a friend who is a welder and he's a pretty smart guy.
Oct 1, 2008 5:19 pm

Whoa, my welding guy is real, and smart. Think of it like this: the reason Detroit built large SUVs was the greed of capitalist AND the unions. We object to the greed of the intelligensia as much as the greed of the capitalists. What we hate most of all are all-knowing technocrats who would steer the course of the economy. Palin just happens to have the right core values, okay, she lacks experience.

Oct 1, 2008 5:27 pm

Walking9, you object to capitalism?

 Do you mean Technocracy?
Oct 1, 2008 5:47 pm

I said, " the greed of the capitalists".

  I don't object to highly skilled and trained leaders, but I do object to technocrats who justify their existence by growing a more controlling government. In that sense, maybe your unionized east coast welders are not as well educated as our nonunion west coaster welding supply guys.   Obama was sounding like Dean this morning, " We're gunna build jobs through energy transmission, and windmills, an bio energy, an...." Give me a break. We are already well into the sustainable economy in the west, and it is profitable. We don't need no more stinkin government leaders, on the tail of Freddie and Fannie, talking out both sides and down to us, too.
Oct 1, 2008 5:52 pm

Speaking of technocracy and skills and training, how can you possibly justify the unionization of education? My kid's high school teachers are always complaining about their salaries and duties, this is a travesty to witness for any capitalist. Obama the union champ, this is why we support Palin, or any college graduate with an honest resume who will fight for a freer market.

Oct 1, 2008 10:38 pm

[quote=greyhairedbrker] [quote=BondGuy]

PA is a coal state? That would be news to most Pennsylvanians. [/quote]

I doubt that, considering that more than 7,500 people work in coal mines in PA. That’s more than work the mines in Wyoming. I think PA ranks in the top 4-5 coal producing states in the nation.

Personally I think the juvenile treatment Palin’s receiving from Obamatons, the people supporting an even less qualified candidate for the presidency by any realistic standard, is a classic bit of what psychologists call “projection”.

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[quote=BondGuy] PA not a coal state? You can doubt it all you want. [/quote]

Your squirming aside, PA is the nation's #4 coal producer, and while that might surprise you, I find it hard to believe it would surprise most people in Pa, certainly not those outside Philly.

[quote=BondGuy]

You believe people are being unfair to Palin? [/quote]

I said Obamatons are being juvenile about Palin, and you’ve personally provide numerous examples. It’s the invective, the name calling, the ultra-shrill nature of the comments about Palin.

If fair is the issue, then we should be judging them all by the same standard, and that wouldn’t reflect well on either of your guys.

[quote=BondGuy] There's nothing juvenile about lampooning a candidate's ridiculous statements. [/quote]

You clearly don’t have a problem with ridiculous statements, or you wouldn’t brush off Biden’s many, many examples (not to mention outright lies and misstatements of fact), or even Obama’s, for that matter. No, “ridiculous statements” is just a convenient stick with which to beat politicians you wouldn’t support regardless of how they answered questions. The same applies to comments about Palin’s experience. If you really had an aversion to supporting candidates with laughably thin resumes you couldn’t possible support Obama. That’s the irony.

Oct 2, 2008 4:28 am

Here's why they want to talk about Palin, they don't want to discuss Joe the lie/gaffe machine;

Fact check: Biden spins a helicopter tale
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Oct 1, 5:33 PM (ET)

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WASHINGTON (AP) - When Joe Biden tells voters he understands the threat posed by Afghan extremists, he dramatically illustrates one reason why: His helicopter was "forced down" on "the superhighway of terror." Actually, snow, not the enemy, persuaded the helicopter pilot to land and wait out a storm.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate has repeatedly left that part out, in an episode that Republicans hope will become an echo of Hillary Rodham Clinton's errant tale during the primaries of landing in Bosnia under sniper fire.

Biden has made a number of questionable statements recently that, viewed in isolation, might not amount to much. But this is a man whose first presidential campaign collapsed 20 years ago after he told a story about coal miners in his family that he lifted without credit from a British politician.

In a recent speech in Virginia coal country, Biden seemed to embellish his background once again. He declared, "I am a hard coal miner," which he's not and never has been. His spokesman, David Wade, said Biden was joking.

And looking back on his 1972 Senate campaign, he told Pennsylvania delegates at the Democratic convention that people from his hometown of Scranton, Pa., piled in up to 10 buses and drove to Wilmington, Del., to show him support. "Literally," he said, "there were hundreds of thousands of people."

THE HELICOPTER SPIN:

In a Baltimore speech last week, Biden said: "If you want to know where al-Qaida lives, you want to know where (Osama) bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

Two days later, in Cincinnati, he said al-Qaida has re-established a safe haven and it's not in Baghdad. "It's in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan," he said, "where my helicopter was recently forced down."

At a Sept. 9, fundraiser, Biden addressed his national security credentials by talking about "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down. John McCain wants to know where bin Ladin and the gates of Hell are? I can tell him where. That's where al-Qaida is. That's where bin Ladin is."

THE FACTS: In February, Biden and fellow senators John Kerry and Chuck Hagel were flying in a helicopter over Afghanistan in a fact-finding trip when a snowstorm closed in.

"It went pretty blind, pretty fast and we were around some pretty dangerous ridges," Kerry told The Associated Press afterward. "So the pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting down there, and we all agreed."

He said the group waited for about three hours until a convoy with U.S. troops took them to Bagram Air Base.

"We sat up there and traded stories," Kerry joked. "We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to do it."

He added: "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."

The area was reported as not being under Taliban control. But Wade noted "it's the wild west out there" and the senators were transported under guard and with air cover from an F-16.

Though Biden never said his helicopter was shot at in Afghanistan, last year he asserted that he was "shot at" in Iraq. He amended that later, saying the quarters he was staying in while visiting Baghdad's protected Green Zone shook from a nearby blast, and "I was near where a shot landed."

The McCain campaign jumped on the Biden stories Wednesday, putting out a statement from a retired Black Hawk pilot saying there is no mistaking being shot at or forced down by the enemy.

But if Biden was not literally in the sights of the enemy in Iraq, he unquestionably went through several dicey situations verified by other lawmakers there, including the explosion of a mortar near the compound and his plane's evasive maneuvers while taking off, in response to a possible missile attack.

THE COAL SPIN: In a speech at a United Mine Workers fish fry in Castlewood, Va., on Sept. 21, Biden told the miners he is one of them. "Hope you won't hold it against me, but I am a hard coal miner - anthracite coal, Scranton, Pennsylvania, that's where I was born and raised," he said.

Biden mentioned his great-grandfather, a mining engineer who became a state senator in the early 1900s.

THE FACTS: Biden was born in Scranton, moved to Delaware at age 10 and has never had experience in the mines. His father worked in the oil business and ran a Delaware car dealership.

Biden's comment was reported at face value in press accounts from the event. Wade said it wasn't meant to be taken literally.

"Judging by the laughter and applause, I think it was clear to everyone under the sun that they got the joke from this son of Scranton's coal country," Wade said. An AP reporter who covered the speech said Biden's claim came across as a genial if awkwardly self-deprecating effort to establish a bond with the miners - not a joke.

In his 2007 memoirs, Biden put his roots in a more modest context: "I had ancestors from the coal mining town of Scranton."

In 1987 at the Iowa State Fair, Biden both borrowed and slightly adapted lines from Neil Kinnock, then British Labor Party leader, in portraying himself as the descendant of coal miners. In one of the lifted lines, Biden talked about: "My ancestors, who worked in the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours."

(Kinnock had talked about Welsh ancestors "who could work eight hours underground and then come up and play football.")

Biden also was found to have exaggerated his academic record during that campaign and a plagiarism episode from his school days emerged. The revelations crippled his Democratic primary campaign and he pulled out of the presidential race.

Oct 2, 2008 6:53 pm

Tonight's Entertainment:

  At this point, there is no money to spend, so which monkey gets elected is less important.   Would anyone take my bet here that the moose in the headlights will "win"?   I promise to say three nice things (gulp) about Joe Biden if your windbag wins.
Oct 3, 2008 2:50 am

Both candidates have overlooked some facts:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
Oct 3, 2008 3:17 am

She did pretty damn good IMO…and Biden looked like a Corpse in HD lol

Oct 3, 2008 3:23 am
nestegg:

She did pretty damn good IMO…and Biden looked like a Corpse in HD lol

  She looked completely nervous and was talking with a shaky voice half the time.  It was like she was going off of memorization.   As far as looking like a corpse, old is old.  In fact, McCain was quite possibly less engaging the other night.  But McCain isn't a great public speaker to begin with.   I don't know, for me, Palin gets kind of annoying.  Things like "ask anyone on the sidelines at a soccer game" or "Joe Sixpack of hockey mom".  Feels like she's trying too hard.   Still holding out for Michael Bloomberg.
Oct 3, 2008 4:21 am
snaggletooth:

[quote=nestegg]She did pretty damn good IMO…and Biden looked like a Corpse in HD lol

  She looked completely nervous and was talking with a shaky voice half the time.  It was like she was going off of memorization.   As far as looking like a corpse, old is old.  In fact, McCain was quite possibly less engaging the other night.  But McCain isn't a great public speaker to begin with.   I don't know, for me, Palin gets kind of annoying.  Things like "ask anyone on the sidelines at a soccer game" or "Joe Sixpack of hockey mom".  Feels like she's trying too hard.   Still holding out for Michael Bloomberg.[/quote]  

Seriously, if you can't give her some credit tonight, when even the Democrats in the spin room off the debate floor were conceding her performance...

And holding out for Nurse Bloomberg? Ugh.....

Oct 3, 2008 5:48 am

We should all vote fo’ McBama next month ya’ll is mad stupid.
while I drink subsidized rum while shooting wooden arrows at muh ma congress peeps just like mammy.

Oct 4, 2008 12:31 am

The Choice is not complicated  MILF OR HAIRPLUGS

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