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Apr 13, 2007 1:28 am

[quote=silouette]

You’re serious? Google the term and read up.
Mike’s take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice
of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.

Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.

The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.

If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum,  I think one might learn a lot.

Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.

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Blather on all you want....

My only question is, if he said that in "semi-private", does that make him "semi-anti-Semitic"?
Apr 13, 2007 1:29 am

[quote=silouette]As far as usage of "Rev. (racial slur), my point is, it just perpetuates human misery ( in my mind ). [/quote]

Pointing out Jackson's history doesn't do anything but expose him. Failing to mention his history gives him a legitimacy he doesn't deserve.

[quote=silouette]

Maybe we should ask some Jewish people for the definitive answer.

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Already have.

Apr 13, 2007 1:31 am

[quote=silouette]

The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life. [/quote]

As he should be. Are you excusing him? Is this why his slur shouldn't be mentioned? It was said in "semi private"? That makes it better?

[quote=silouette]

If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum,  I think one might learn a lot. [/quote]

That makes zero sense.

Apr 13, 2007 1:38 am

http://www.slate.com/id/76476/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pagones

http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/13/brawley.verdict.02/

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/page072198.html

Apr 13, 2007 1:48 am

Not changing the subject, but more for comparison of the reaction to the demise of Imus. I watch sports 24/7 if possible. I did not hear until this morning that Irwin had been let go by ESPN. No fan fair at all, a few conservative talk shows tried without success to bring up how a  Black man can get away with anything I learned after googlin. By the way this happend last November, sorry if this is old news to you. 

Michael Irvin Says Tony Romo’s Athleticism Is Due to Black Ancestry (emphasis added)


About three and a half minutes into his appearance on the show, Irvin said Romo is a good athlete, then suggested that must mean he has an ancestor who is black.

“He doesn’t look like he’s that type of an athlete,” Irvin said of Romo. “But he is. He is, man. I don’t know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don’t know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the ‘hood or something went down.”

Patrick tried to suggest to Irvin that he shouldn’t go there, but Irvin was having none of it, continuing:

“If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn, ‘Come on in here for a second,’ you know, and they go out and work in the yard. You know, back in the day.”

Apr 13, 2007 2:23 am

With all of the mixed relationships these days:  black/white mixed, heck Halley Berry says she is Black but she is half black: what's the new term: Vanilla/Chocololate: you can then select your own race: Halley could say she's white, too.  At least, with this, you will see the disappearance of separation of races: because they are mixing. 

Imus has proven himself over the years and now because he has made a mistake, ...here's what is going to happen.  These people in the future will probably need to have a SCRIPT to make sure there are no slipups.

Who among us haven't been insulted?  Women are constantly insulted in demeaning ways; southern people are called hillbillys...elderly people, you name it.  It was a slipup or a mistake: or maybe Imus is guilty of listening to too much hiphop.  We all know blacks constantly talk about whites in demeaning terms.    

Re: Nappy: this included whites on the team, too.

On the April 4 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team, which is comprised of eight African-American and two white players, as "nappy-headed hos"

Let's address all of the raunchiness in the hiphop music: why doesn't the REv J and Al Sharpton address this!!!!!.  They shouldn't play this stuff on the radio or show it on tv.  At least CNN is now addressing this.

It's all about Standards or lack thereof. 

Apr 13, 2007 3:35 am

My only question is, if he said that in "semi-private", does that make him "semi-anti-Semitic"?

Good one, Joe.

I give up. You are all " right ".

Apr 13, 2007 4:11 am

[quote=silouette]



Just wtf does that mean?

Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something.

No, not now.  I don't see a need for it here, and I played that card once already in the last 24 hours.  Actually I thought it was a pretty cool and appropriate metaphor considering I came up with it on the fly.  Like jazz improvization, but with words instead.

But, in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with, like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you may be in a minority

Actually this might be one place where I would agree with you.  This country(and this industry) would be a better place of those of us who hav been so fortunate would take a moment from deliberating over whether to purchase the E-Class or the 5-Series to reflect on our blessings and help those less fortunate.

 ( most people in the world live in poverty, and many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.

Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.

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Apr 13, 2007 4:15 am

[quote=silouette]

My only question is, if he said that in “semi-private”, does that make him “semi-anti-Semitic”?

Good one, Joe.

I give up. You are all " right ".

[/quote]

As for being "all 'right'" I can't be sure if that's a dig at my political leanings or a peace pipe being extended.

I do lean on the right side of the political spectrum, although I'm probably more of a libertarian.

Regardless, I appreciate your props for my non-profane, non-juvenile, original pun and an effort to keep the tension from getting too high.  I thought it was a pretty good one!
Apr 13, 2007 5:45 am

Barack Hussein Obama (born August 4, 1961; IPA pronunciation: [b¨»k ob¨».m]), is the junior United States Senator from Illinois.



What am I supposed to call him?



Imas will do better. He is an old guy who says and does far less then Howard, Jackson or Sharpton. I don’t care for the guy, but what the f… Americans are soft! There are people dieing in other countries and the leaders of IRAN, Hezbola and Al Queda threaten and bomb innocent people. Here a person says “Nappy haired Hos” then the Libs freak out. What a sorry bunch of people.



Like McCain, Imas screwed up by saying I’m sorry to the media.



Why was Sharpton invited to the presidential debates and Nader was not? What is up with the equal rights at Michigan University? What is up with government jobs going to the minority? If its so freaking equal then 11% jobs to blacks and 15% to Hispanics. One makes a comment about blacks in prison then their racist. One makes a comment about spanish not knowing english and their racist. If anything is pissing off the right and conservatives it is the fact we have to live in fear of saying anything politically correct.



Any day of the week I would rather be white then black, but the greatest racists are “Rev” Sharpton and Jackson. They sell and breed hate and racism.

Apr 13, 2007 5:54 am

 As for being "all 'right'" I can't be sure if that's a dig at my political leanings or a peace pipe being extended.

 

  I like the card metaphor. The hell of it is, it seems one can never run out of chips.

 

Apr 13, 2007 12:11 pm

Nappy hos. Classic!

Nothing racist about that. Typical black uprising, and what a double standard!

Apr 13, 2007 1:01 pm

What a joke!  He did not get fired for his comments, he got fired because the company was going to lose money and the NAACP protests.  We all have heard worse comments on the air, I actually thought it was funny, obvious it was wrong.  As for the players “healing”, you think they are actually at home crying or something?  Come on!  For all the stuff Charles Barkely says about “white” basketball players, that get shrugged off because there is no protesters and it just gets brushed off.  In this day in age, everyone gets attacked in some way in the media, and most of it is in humour to try to get ratings, but for some reason the NAACP takes offense when it involves them and protests, stop being so sensitive and brush it off!  Thats my two cents, mooose

Apr 13, 2007 1:14 pm

[quote=Bobby Hull][quote=vbrainy]

I disagree.  Just because others are doing it does not make it right.

His comments were horrible.  He should lose his job.  There are very few good role models out there, and he makes a nasty comment about these women.

Just think, is there any situation where this would have come out of your mouth?  It is wrong.

And Sharpton should go down too.

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You liberals take life way too seriously.

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I am ANYTHING but liberal.  I was blessed to be brought up in a hard working, faith filled family.  My daddy taught me right from wrong, and he taught me that a real man admits when he is wrong.

Got a feeling that you are a rich kid who never got his hands dirty in his whole life.  You feel like you have some type of birth right to everything you have.  You think it is ok to denegrate people who you think are lower than you.

Remember, "to whom much has been given, much is expected".  Hold yourself to a higher standard.  Do what you can to help someone in need.  And never disrespect ANYONE, even the boy who shines your shoes.  He is a human and has a family too.

If you call that liberal, so be it.

Apr 13, 2007 2:41 pm

[quote=vbrainy]

I am ANYTHING but liberal.  I was blessed to be brought up in a hard working, faith filled family.  My daddy taught me right from wrong, and he taught me that a real man admits when he is wrong.

Got a feeling that you are a rich kid who never got his hands dirty in his whole life.  You feel like you have some type of birth right to everything you have.  You think it is ok to denegrate people who you think are lower than you.

Remember, "to whom much has been given, much is expected".  Hold yourself to a higher standard.  Do what you can to help someone in need.  And never disrespect ANYONE, even the boy who shines your shoes.  He is a human and has a family too.

If you call that liberal, so be it.

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V, remember these words:

BondGuy is full of it and he is a liar. There is no way he made those numbers.

You said this about a person who was offering help to a rookie. A person you know nothing about. Apparently you were blown away over all of 154k of production.

So, a question: How does calling someone you don't know a liar fit with "never disrespect ANYONE, even the boy who shines your shoes?

There seems to be a disconnect between your beliefs and your actions. I could say you are the one who is full of it, but I'll just stick with practice what you preach.

BTW, if you want to let me in on what I said to get on your wrong side PM me. We'll settle this off the board.

Apr 13, 2007 2:55 pm

[quote=BondGuy]

So, a question: How does calling someone you
don’t know a liar fit with "never disrespect ANYONE, even the
boy who shines your shoes?

There seems to be a disconnect between your beliefs and your actions. I could say you are the one who is full of it, but I'll just stick with practice what you preach.

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BG- one of my old favorite sayings comes to mind....

"Your actions speak so loudly I can't hear a word you say...."
Apr 13, 2007 3:32 pm

Those were memorable words, and it is never too late to apologize.

Apr 13, 2007 5:59 pm

I normally just read, but I had to add my 2 cents. 

Don Imus brought Al Sharpton into this by asking Al to come on his show.  I think that Imus knew that if he could be seen as being attacked by Al or Jessie that some people would see him in a more sympathetic light. 

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not Black leaders.  There's no such thing as a Black leader as there is no election for one.  The reason they are always offering comment is because the media always goes to them for comment.  It was the National Assoc of Black Journalists and mediamatters.com that initially pushed CBS & MSNBC on this.  If the media would stop being lazy and develop more contacts in the African American community you would hear more voices.   There are a wide range of academics, activist, politicians and people who could've offered their thoughts.  The head of NBC News seemed sincere when he said that it was outrage from NBC employees that led him to make his decision, not Al & Jessie.

 Jessie and Al have no sway among the large majority of Blacks.  Operation PUSH is based in Chicago which is over 30% Black, it would be a miracle if over 100 people showed up for PUSH's weekly Staurday meeting.  If Al Sharpton had any pull he would've received more Black votes when he ran for president.  He did not get a majority of the Black vote in any state.  In response to someone's question Sharpton was in the democratic primary debates and Nader wasn't because Nader's not a democrat.  

Finally, I am no fan of either man, but they have been very vocal for years over the need to clean up entertainment.  You haven't heard much about because you probably only get your news on "the Black community" from the mainstream media.  And which major media outlet, all of whom own a music or entertainment division and therefore sell hip hop music, do you think is going to let you know that Blacks have been complaining about their product? 

Imus' show was ignorance by proxy.  He said dirty things for his listeners which they could enjoy, without having to take the blame.  Commercial hip hop is also ignorance by proxy.  It's selling a lifestyle that is part pimp and part  gangster and all fantasy to people who would like to pretend they live that way.

I could do without the ignorance of both.      

Apr 13, 2007 9:55 pm

Thanks for the thoughtful post and insight, champ.

It seems like the media, in going to Sharpton and Jackson, is just engineering entertainment. Certainly, the media cannot be accused of conducting good journalism. Maybe that could be called " liberal bias engineered news entertainment."

Some of the shows like Hannity and O'Reilly have the elements. How can we otherwise explain their obsession with Ann Nicole, or more emotional manufactured issues? In part, just pandering to a different bias.

So we have a solid reasonable core at the political center, black, white and the whole spectrum, but you can't generate interest and adrenalin unless you know energy off to the right or left, and this is a function of advertising dollars.

With regards to Imus and hip hop, like someone said, " America wants a double standard. " This double standard is entertaining.

I think the only solution,

If the media would stop being lazy and develop more contacts in the African American community you would hear more voices.   There are a wide range of academics, activist, politicians and people who could've offered their thoughts

is to hope for the further fragmentation of the media, so that folk finally start to think for themselves. In fact, the public discussion following Imus exposes Jesse exposes Al ... just works to further fragment the newsertainment in industry. That's why I think we can rely on the free market, if we are patient, to expose the cultural totalitarianism of hip hop. Or maybe the color of money is too strong.  

Apr 14, 2007 1:13 am

Don't pity Imus - he's been a jerk for years, a pure idiot.  It's all about the dollars. He will be back on the air in a year - after he's written his book - and richer than ever. Jessie and Bro. Al will be expecting some donations from CNBC, CBS etc. to their "organizations" to make up for all the hurt. For Jessie and Al it's just another way to squeeze money out of the "man". Moral outrage from for money.

The people with class are the young women from Rutgers and their coach.