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Jan 27, 2006 2:07 am

Can anyone recommend a good fixed annuity product?  Or, how about a good alternative to fixed annuities? 

Jan 27, 2006 2:08 am

[quote=Gorden Gekko]Can anyone recommend a good fixed annuity product?  Or, how about a good alternative to fixed annuities?  [/quote]

How much of a commission would you like to earn?

Jan 27, 2006 2:12 am

[quote=Dirk Diggler]

[quote=Gorden Gekko]Can anyone recommend a good fixed annuity product?  Or, how about a good alternative to fixed annuities?  [/quote]

How much of a commission would you like to earn?

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Wow.... I'm shocked that you would ask that...  Way to put YTB first.  See ya next year, when you're selling cars.

Jan 27, 2006 2:13 am

[quote=Gorden Gekko]Can anyone recommend a good fixed annuity product?  Or, how about a good alternative to fixed annuities?  [/quote]

How about Bonds?

Jan 27, 2006 2:22 am

Bonds?  Depends upon the maturity.  Might be a good way to lock in loss.

Jan 27, 2006 2:24 am

[quote=Philo Kvetch]

Bonds?  Depends upon the maturity.  Might be a good way to lock in loss.

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How do you figure?

Jan 27, 2006 3:38 am

I'm frustrated by this problem right now...I can't find a fixed annuity that is paying anything (at least in the rate-for-term variety) and I am hesitant to sell a traditional fixed annuity when the floors are so low (many are 1.5% in my market).  Maybe you could consider short-term CDs (1-3 years) with a GMAC kicker (but keep it 3 years of less), an income fund (Franklin income or CIB) with an emerging markets fund kicker, or just go to a VA product with a nice minimum income/death benefit guarantee (such as ING).  Maybe the time is coming around for floating-rate funds to perform at least relatively well again? Or perhaps someone has a good high-dividend closed-end fund that is not trading at a ridiculous premium?

I'm staying away from high-yield funds and REITS right now...thinking they may have run their course...

Anyone else?  This thread should have been named "The Search for Income"...

Jan 27, 2006 3:43 am

If they don’t need income, do an EIA.

Jan 27, 2006 3:45 am

This will probably sound macabre, but I’ve bought some really long bonds/CDs with higher yields for my really old or sickly clients (i.e., those with life expectancies of 2 years or less), as long as they had death puts.  I do not concentrate more than 10% with on issuer, and I do not solely buy long bonds for these clients (in case they live longer than expected), but this is one way to create a yield kicker for those that are terminal or, say, 95 or older…

Jan 27, 2006 3:56 am

AIG has a 5 year contract paying 7.50% first year, and 3.25% base rate for years 2-5.  That's on $100,000 or more, less than $100,000 first year is 6.50%.

Ohio National is paying 7.70% on $50,000 plus, but I think the base rate is 3%, and it might actually be a 6 year product.

Jan 27, 2006 5:29 am

Great BankFC,

    Go sell some more Bait-and-Switch annuities.  You will be going strait south when you die for all the wealth you destroyed and the fees you robbed from unsuspecting elderly clients.

Gekko, If you're 7 Licensed, try a leveraged close-ended fund if you think rates will remain flat.  ACG income fund (ACM) taxable or Nuveen Muni Advantage (6.1%) tax-free.

Jan 27, 2006 3:49 pm

If you need a fixed annuity, and it is appropriate.....RBC has a nice 6 yr annuity 5% for 3 yrs and 3% floor for the rest. Haven't check the rates for a couple of weeks, so I think that is still the rate.  They are an A rated company.  Used to be BMA years ago.  I have done business with them for over 10 years and am very happy with their back office services.

I also use a good amount of closed end funds to give a kick up to current income.  Transamerica Income Shares have a 7.6 taxable yield. Maybe a really short term GMAC or Ford note for those clients who can stand the heat. 

Like Indyone, for some clients the Death Put is a consideration.  The clients like the idea, because realistically at 80 to 85 they know how much longer they have.  I know.... morbid.

Jan 27, 2006 6:54 pm

YouCan,

Hey retard, he asked a question about fixed annuity rates and I answered.

You know nothing about me or my practice.  You sell another closed end IPO and watch your clients lose more money.

BL,

I have a couple high end clients (developers) who need semi liquidity and yield, and I did buy some 6 month GMAC, as well as quite a few others.  Great yield.

Jan 27, 2006 6:57 pm

You can,

By the way you uneducated horse's arse, fixed annuities don't have fees like VA's, only surrender charges (so does a CD). 

Jan 27, 2006 7:50 pm

I have a couple high end clients (developers) who need semi liquidity and yield, and I did buy some 6 month GMAC, as well as quite a few others.  Great yield.

Me too.  Contractors and paving contractors 6 months to 1 year bonds.  I wouldn't be comfortable with GMAC paper of any length at this time however.