Seminar
105 RepliesJump to last post
[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=anonymous]
Spiff, there's no problem with his original post, thus there was no comment about it. In fact, it was refreshing to see him try to be helpful and not worrying about himself. The issue is that ultimately Wind makes everything about Wind. [/quote] I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that if nobody would have attacked him, he would have just let his comments stand on their own. He made one comment that was very helpful, then got a negative comment by Jaxson. Then he made another comment where I will admit he did use the pronoun "I", but only once and he didn't say anything about money or accounts. And then JRB chimes in with some negative remarks. Only after being made fun of twice does he get defensive. And I would say, rightfully so. So, in this post, I used the pronoun "I" three different times. So, does that mean I'm (that's four) making it all about me? Hardly. [/quote] Spiff, He, and you, sound "retarded" when you continually use the word use the word "retarded". Sorry, I'll not chime in with any negative remarks anymore - seeing as how you're always so positive and all. Sheesh, you sound like you're in love with this guy.Not in love with him, just willing to stand up for someone I think is getting mistreated.
You're entitled to your negative remarks. That's the country we live in. But don't get on your high horse when he gets defensive after getting knocked down twice. As for the "retarded" comment...that's about as close to cussing as I get. I've also been known to use the word "idiot" a lot. Perhaps when I think you might read my posts I'll try to use a synonym for "retarded" instead. Maybe something like dim-witted, birdbrained, gorked, or touched in the head. Just to liven things up. I'll PM wind and encourage him to do the same.Spiff,
He's made his bed and now he has to lay in it. He had numerous chances and was given advice to lighten up and he just kept going. So now when he posts, even if he doesn't say anything about himself it's going to go negative. It's unfortuante but he brought most of this on himself.In this thread, Spiff, Wind brought it on himself. Do we really expect that a Newbie is going to talk about what MOST American Fund wholesalers do without getting called out for it? Any Newbie would have been challenged on his comment.
He rightfully got called out for what he said. He then had two reasonable choices. He could have been honest and admitted that it was based upon his experience with a few AF wholesalers or he could have ignored the comment. Instead, he chose to go on the attack. When he goes on the attack, the thread immediately becomes about him as much as it does about the subject at hand. As long as he keeps doing this, the situation won't change. It's fine. He's fun for the board and it fills his need for attention.Yeah, OK. Whatever.
I guess then that I'll refrain from making any comments at all about any wholesalers period. Because I've not met "most" of them. You know what it means to get defensive? It means that you're reacting to being attacked. Had he put a preemptive (that means before anyone else could say anything) comment in there like back on page one, then I would agree with you. However, since he was already being attacked and made fun of, I am going to say your arguement is full of holes. And I agree with him that arguing with you guys on the internet is "gorky."The problem is the body of work. Jim Cramer says some insightful things sometimes too, unfortunately it is between his defense of Bear Stearns and Wachovia. He could say something everyone agrees with and financial professionals will still roll their eyes.
Though wind made a fair (and arguably helpful) comment, he is still seems to me (and most) to be a classless know-it-all. And I'll bite...what is "gorky" and where was it said (I checked through the thread and didn't see it)?Spiff, he wasn’t really being attacked. He was fairly, but not kindly, called on the fact that at his stage of the game, he doesn’t have the experience to know if he was posting accurate information.
"How many American Funds wholesalers constitutes "most"? You sound "retarded" when you make generalizations such as this. In four months of production, you haven't had time to meet more than a "few wholesalers" to give the benefit of the doubt. " We all need a thicker skin and have to be able to look at the message an not just the words. "Retarded" wasn't a nice comment, but the point that he doesn't sound very smart when he makes those types of posts holds water.That response, at least to me, didn't come across as him being fairly called out. To me it sounded more smart aleck and condescending.
This discussion is going nowhere. I believe they call it an impass. I think wind was justified in retorting the way he did. You obviously don't. That seems to be our history. So be it. As for the "gorky" post - should have used "gorked". Look at my post back to JRP and the use of the word retarded. Oh yeah, if you want to see who turned this thing with wind into the debacle it is, do an advanced search for his posts and go back to the Jones Stories...for the JONES thread back in March. I started defending this guy back then, just like I am now. The accusations (which have been proven false) that he was a liar started after his second or third post on the forum. And you guys haven't let up since.If I may ask, what was the very specific subject ? Did you send out an email to everyone in your database or did you pre screen for probable interest ? You mentioned that there were reasons for the success of your event- can you elaborate ?
Thank you !
[quote=Spaceman Spiff]Oh yeah, if you want to see who turned this thing with wind into the debacle it is, do an advanced search for his posts and go back to the Jones Stories…for the JONES thread back in March. I started defending this guy back then, just like I am now. The accusations (which have been proven false) that he was a liar started after his second or third post on the forum. And you guys haven’t let up since. [/quote]
I must have missed the thread you are referring to, spiff, and don’t have the time or interest to go searching through old Jones threads to catch up on what transpired. All I can surmise is if he keeps prompting these sorts of responses and objections from various people, maybe - just maybe - it has something to do with what he’s saying and how he’s saying it. Stranger things have happened. Or maybe it’s just another vast right wing conspiracy!
Good luck, my friend. I think you’re going to be very busy cleaning up after this lad for some time to come, but that’s your prerogative. I just think you deserve better!
Spiff who gives a flying crap what his numbers are at this point? Who cares if you researched the facts and found them to be true ? He is going about things the wrong way and being a complete tool. Do me a favor and look at the list of NBA Rookies of the Year or any sport for that matter in the last 20 years.You will find plenty of fellows who started hot and bombed out. The overwhelming majority of those who fell off the map after a stellar start failed because they feel they have climbed the mountain, they have the answers, and they don't have to do the things needed to last. His arrogance and ignorance proves that he is on the same path.
Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
[quote=voltmoie]Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
[/quote]
Maybe if you whine a bit more people will be even more motivated to only talk about stuff that you are interested in.
Just saying.
No problem. Happy to help. Anon, et al - This thread is dim-witted. I'm done. Let's agree to disagree and walk away friends.Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
Come on Spiff, keep it up. The forum has been pretty lame lately. Where’s Wind 8675309, when you need him. Windy and your defense of windy has been the only interesting thing as of late. I agree wtih volt that it’s pretty f’n lame but at least it gives me a reason to come look at the forum.
I agree. This thread has been the only thing that has kept my interest recently.
I guess I could start another thread about how great I am and how EDJ is the best company on the planet. Man, how boring would that be? What we really need is a good new EDJ conspiracy theory to pop up. Something like Jim Weddle is secretly a member of Skull and Bones or something cool like that.Most of the EDJ conspiracy theories lately have been kind of lame (Could this be the end of EDJ? EDJ in the news for a lawsuit!).
I still think the spying on brokers is a valid one, but you guys shot all kinds of holes in that one.
Here is one for you - Wind is Jim Weddle in disquise.