WSJ article about brokers leaving the big wires
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Independent financial advisers are gaining ground from Wall Street brokers in the competition to manage more than $5 trillion in Americans' savings.
The ranks of brokers at major Wall Street firms have been shrinking, along with those firms' share of the retail-investing market. At the same time, independent advisers are growing in number and market share.
The financial turmoil of the past 18 months is fueling the shift.
Shaken by the collapse of some Wall Street firms and the tarnished
reputations of others, more big-firm brokers are breaking away to
manage money on their own, taking clients with them.
Sharkey, Eric Thurber and Fred Molfino, who oversaw $740 million in
business at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, left in August to set up Three
Bridge Wealth Advisors in Menlo Park, Calif. Many clients followed.
Eric Thurber and two associates, who oversaw $740 million at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, set up their own business in August. Many clients followed them.
After the collapse of Lehman Brothers in the fall of 2008, Mr. Thurber says, "we realized that we could be at risk" even at a major firm.
Boston research firm Cerulli Associates last year projected that brokers leaving major firms would take $188 billion in client accounts with them in 2009, the first year Cerulli has tried to measure that movement of money. Cerulli expects the trend to continue this year.
Other data suggest that big firms saw money flow out in 2008, too. Financial statements from the biggest brokerage firms, including UBS AG and Bank of America Corp.'s Merrill Lynch Wealth Management, show a collective net outflow in 2008 of about $20 billion in client money, counting both money removed by departing brokers and money withdrawn by clients whose brokers didn't leave. Those figures reflect client actions, not market gains and losses.
The big firms say they are poised to rebound and that they wanted to push out many of the departing brokers because they weren't bringing in as much profit as others. "The majority of departures have been people with below-average revenue production," says a spokeswoman for Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.
Major Wall Street firms still handled 48% of the money from individual investors under management at the end of 2008, while independent advisers handled 19%, according to Cerulli. But Cerulli forecasts that by 2012, the big-firm share will be down to 41%, while the independent advisers' share will be more than 23%. The balance of the money is managed by smaller brokerage firms, insurance companies and banks.
<div ="inset - at-arbitrary"><div ="insetTree" style="width: 183px;"><div ="insettipUnit" style="width: 183px;"><img src="http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AT168_BREAK_NS_20100103180016.gif" height="302" width="183" hspace="0" vspace="0" border="0" alt="%5bbreaking%20away%5d" /> Journal Community Vote: Who manages your money?The number of brokers serving individual clients at major firms fell 14% to less than 55,000 in the three years ending in December 2008, while the number of independent financial advisers rose 29% to 33,000, Cerulli Associates says.
Mr. Thurber, the Morgan Stanley Smith Barney broker who jumped ship, says he hadn't considered a change until Lehman collapsed and he saw friends at that firm suffer. His employer then was Smith Barney, which hadn't yet merged with Morgan Stanley and was part of Citigroup Inc., whose stock was plunging. He and his two colleagues, whose brokerage-firm salaries were well into the six figures, manage money for entrepreneurs and venture capitalists in Silicon Valley.
They secretly planned their move for nine months before they left. Mr. Thurber recalls a tense debate in the dining room of one of his partners about whether they could afford to abandon their salaries and bonuses.
"It certainly gave each of us pause about whether it made sense for us to walk away," he says. Initially, the cost of starting and running a business would reduce their incomes, he says. In the longer run, he says, "we did the analysis that, counting equity in our new firm, if we did all the hard work, it would be worth it."
At their new firm, Three Bridge Wealth Advisors in Menlo Park, Calif., they are free of certain constraints, Mr. Thurber says. At big brokerage firms, brokers can sell only financial products approved by their firms. Independent advisers face no such restrictions.
A Morgan Stanley spokeswoman says that turnover among brokers overseeing larger amounts of money "is at historic lows."
Not all brokers leaving major firms are going it alone. Independent firms say they're seeing an uptick in interest from big-firm brokers.
"We are receiving unsolicited resumes from senior people" at major brokerage firms, says Steven Giacona, founder of wealth-advisory firm Round Table Services in Westfield, N.J., which oversees about $700 million. "I have been talking to people who never imagined they would be talking about these things. But these events have put them and their clients in a situation where they feel they need to make a change." So far, he says, he has hired one big-firm broker.
Brokerage firms are fueling the movement by pushing out lower-volume brokers. A typical strategy is to cut compensation, a process known as putting brokers "in the penalty box." Lower producers who had been taking home 40% of their fees and commissions might be told they now will keep only 20%. Their realistic choices: boost revenues, move to a smaller firm or go independent.
Tim Noonan, who faced a compensation cut as a broker in Merrill's Atlanta office, left in February 2009 with most of his clients. He formed Noonan Capital Management with about $40 million in client money, he says.
Mr. Noonan says he didn't like being pressed to boost revenues. He also didn't like working in a system where he was paid more to put his clients into stocks than into certificates of deposit. At his own firm, he charges clients a flat percentage of money under management, no matter how it's invested.
"I wanted to own my own business, create my own value," he says. "I can will it to my children. I can sell it."
Independent advisers have a powerful ally in the competition with big firms: discount brokerage firms.
Independent advisers need someone to conduct trades, store securities, keep track of client accounts and perform other back-office jobs. The discount-brokerage operations of Charles Schwab Corp., Fidelity Investments and TD Ameritrade Holding Corp., among others, have built big businesses doing those things for independent advisers. As the trend toward independence grows, the discounters are redoubling efforts to persuade brokers to go independent.
Tom Cantillon leads a group in Schwab's New York office that urges brokers to go independent and bring their business to Schwab. He and his people phone brokers at their offices, sometimes early in the morning or at night in hopes the brokers will pick up directly. Mr. Cantillon says he asks: "Have you ever considered a different model for your business?"
Discount firms are using emails, seminars and junk mail to lure brokers into independence. They offer free help with paperwork, free software, and reduced-cost or free trades during the transition period. If breakaway brokers aren't comfortable creating their own businesses, the discount firms will help them, for no charge, find existing independent financial firms that want new associates.
Schwab held workshops around the country last year to show brokers how to go independent. Fidelity hired a senior executive from Morgan Stanley to handle its business with independent advisers, including attracting them from brokerage firms. In the first three quarters of 2009, Fidelity says, breakaway brokers brought it more than $6 billion in new money to be managed, equaling the amount it received in all of 2008.
Brian Doe left Merrill in 2009, urged on by Schwab recruiters. Before the financial crisis hit, he and his clients liked being at a big, established firm, Mr. Doe says. After Merrill teetered and was sold to Bank of America, Mr. Doe, a nine-year Merrill veteran who managed more than $50 million for 90 clients, rethought his position.
"The day that a company of that tenure and stature can get sold off to a bank over a weekend is a little disconcerting to someone at my career level," says Mr. Doe, who is 42 years old. "I was spending a lot of time explaining what the firm was doing, at a time when the market was down and people's portfolio values were careening."
Unhappy to see Merrill cutting support staff, he began speaking with others in the business and discovered that the man who had helped him start at Merrill had founded his own firm, Atlanta's Gratus Capital Management. Mr. Doe joined Gratus in February 2009.
Steven Schwalb, a client, says he was happy with Mr. Doe but wary of the hassle of moving his money from Merrill. His mortgage-banking business was chaotic and he was helping care for newborn twins, so he didn't follow Mr. Doe to Gratus.
"We had a lot going on in our lives, so the last thing we wanted to do was upset anything else," he says. "We weren't really sure it was the right move for us to go to a smaller company."
But he says he didn't develop as good a relationship with his new Merrill broker, so he got back in touch with Mr. Doe and moved his money to Gratus. At Gratus, Mr. Schwalb says, he has access to a wide range of mutual funds and other investments, with lower commission costs than at big brokerage firms. The Schwalbs pay Mr. Doe an annual fee to monitor their finances, including advising them on all investment and financial-planning decisions.
A Bank of America spokeswoman says clients are benefiting from the Merrill acquisition, internal surveys indicate that they are satisfied, and "we continue to attract and retain highly successful advisers."
Some banks are trying to take advantage of the changes. The brokerage arm of Wells Fargo & Co., which acquired Wachovia Securities in late 2008, is offering brokers who want to go independent the chance to work with it on a contract basis, even if they are former Wells Fargo brokers. They sell financial products through Wells Fargo's trading desk but operate as independent businesses. Wells Fargo now works with about 1,000 independent advisers.
Officials at other brokerage firms say the shift toward independent advisers is something they can reverse. Many brokers are more comfortable staying at big firms, which take care of product support and back-office issues. Big firms say they are retaining brokers they want to keep, notably those who handle wealthier investors.
"I think that we have capabilities in this business to be able to do things for clients that the boutiques will just not be able to do," Robert McCann, chief executive of UBS's U.S. brokerage arm, said at a recent conference.
Some in the brokerage business argue that the Madoff Ponzi-scheme scandal will frighten clients of smaller firms, pushing them toward brand-name brokerages. They also say that if money managers face new regulation, as has been discussed, smaller firms might be less well-equipped to deal with the burden.
That doesn't appear to be diminishing interest among brokers contemplating change.
Ralph Courage, a broker in Norfolk, Va., left UBS to set up an independent firm in 2008. "I have received many calls from top investment folks at brokerage firms around the country," he says, "who have heard that we have made this move, saying, 'We would really like to do this and tell me all about it.'[nbsp ]"
The exodus is overblown in my opinion. The wirehouses still have a good strategy for keeping the assets (at least among the wires, even though there are musical chairs).
However, I think the landscape will continue to evolve over time as large indy firms get larger, as ensemble RIA firms get larger and are able to hire and train their own (as opposed to just getting wirehouse breakaway brokers). I think in the future, you will still have 3 or 4 wirehouse firms, but they will be leaner, and you will have many "mid sized" RIA firms with 250-1000 FA's around the country. Firms like Fisher Investments is a good example. Many of these firms hire rookie FA's and pay them a salary plus bonus, since most of the biz is fee-based or fee-only, and the firms have a great process in place for bringing in assets, they just need "planners" and advisors to carry out the firms' strategy (managed money, model portfolios, etc.). The FA's of the future will look more like financial planners than "stock brokers".Actually, they both are, but the bigger winners long-term will be in the RIA space.
Agree with your take. The wires will continue their movement towards teams and focusing on $1 million+ accounts. Yes, there has been a backlash against the wires (by both clients and brokers), but there will always be those clients who want their money at a big name firm that has ads all over TV and analysts all over CNBC. Same thing with certain brokers. They love having that name recognition behind them. The wire culture is not for me (or my clients), but everyone is different.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens if/when there is consolidation in the RIA space and a big player emerges. Wonder what the culture will be like.
[quote=Shania Twain]nyc: a bit too much happy talk here.
vix 19.
might a get a little bump here[/quote]
I still don’t like this rally at all. No confidence in it whatsoever. Bought puts on China in December. Ticking time bomb. Nice to see Chanos is on board.
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/contrarian-investor-predicts-crash-in-china/?scp=2&sq=china&st=cse
The rumor mill is at work again. Heard a huge producer and his family left WFA/AGE a couple of days ago in Michigan. Also took some of the support staff and opened up a Stifel shop. Heard the entire family had AUM of about 500mm. If this is all true what a huge blow to that WFA market. Anyone verify this?
not that it wouldn’t be true. just that I have not heard of any family/team with that many AUM leaving a WFA office yet. we are only 2 years into the 5 year cash retention part of the deal and most everyone has spent all of their money and can’t leave unless they get a huge up front deal.
[quote=mlgone] I think that is going on a lot of places right now
some new deals are really rich
I heard [/quote]
janitors getting offers these days, MLgay?
Tell us about your offer to clean toilets at JP Morgan, ML. Did they offer you a 30min or 60min lunch break?
There is some truth to your comments. The individual in question was the branch manager of an office outside of Detroit. This guy had been with Edwards since Edwards bought another firm in 1977. It was a good office. He took some other guys with him, although not all. Now the questions is whether WFA will keep this office or roll it into another office. His leaving, along with the others, cut the heart out of that office. And, it will never be the same. I know him personally, and he was quite unhappy. The reason that it didn’t happen sooner was that SF had purchased a number of offices from UBS in 2009, and they were not opening new offices until they digested the purchase from UBS. Lastly, the BOM of another Michigan office was heard to say something to this effect…" is SF going to back up a truck to all of the other WFA offices and empty them out…?" Finally, if the upper management of WFA is reading this, those guys that just left did not trust the management of WFA. Take note WFA, you have no credibility with the AGE brokers. The morale, at least in Michigan, is at the bottom of the barrel.
[quote=DD] Tell us about your offer to clean toilets at JP Morgan, ML. Did they offer you a 30min or 60min lunch break?
Fuk..........I got 15.......was 30 on the table?[/quote]
Ask your mom
SF is making some very strategic openings. Most of the WFA Long Island branches are a shell of their former self. Mo. and the St. Louis area are easy pickings for Ben & Co, and SF. No one that I know trusts Danny and the boys, they have used up what little credibilty they have and moral is low at all AGE branches. Past experiance as guide, they will roll up those smaller branches in time. Michigan has had a moral problem for some time now. Apparently, the Regional Pres. is a total a-hole, just like the NE Regional.There is some truth to your comments. The individual in question was the branch manager of an office outside of Detroit. This guy had been with Edwards since Edwards bought another firm in 1977. It was a good office. He took some other guys with him, although not all. Now the questions is whether WFA will keep this office or roll it into another office. His leaving, along with the others, cut the heart out of that office. And, it will never be the same. I know him personally, and he was quite unhappy. The reason that it didn’t happen sooner was that SF had purchased a number of offices from UBS in 2009, and they were not opening new offices until they digested the purchase from UBS. Lastly, the BOM of another Michigan office was heard to say something to this effect…" is SF going to back up a truck to all of the other WFA offices and empty them out…?" Finally, if the upper management of WFA is reading this, those guys that just left did not trust the management of WFA. Take note WFA, you have no credibility with the AGE brokers. The morale, at least in Michigan, is at the bottom of the barrel.
The current RP over MI is a good guy but he just took over. The previous RP who I think is out of Chicago is the puffed up arrogant one. In either case this isnt the RP’s fault…its 2.8 yrs of zilch mgmt higher up the ladder.
perhaps a refresher course is needed here. It goes like this.
1) loss of trail from mmkt
2) loss of annual sales bonus (significant)
3) loss of big 401k pop (significant)
4) ticket charges
5) higher min ticket
6) haircut on CAAPS, Laffer etc. (significant for some)
7) loss of branch autonomy (big for managers)
8) Br mgr pay cut by 50-60% " " "
9) loss of credibility
10 WB blowup (old news now but credibility issues linger)
11)Perception the Wells is getting between clients and FA’s
12)haircut for offit/evergreen (gallatin accounts going forward)
New Issues:
1) bi weekly pay…setting us up as bank brokers is next
2) 25% witholding from dollar one (affects guys under 750k)
seriously a multi trillion dollar company cant fix that-what a
joke
Ben and Co and SF are the likely alternatives for the old days. Ive visited both. SF is a little more developed now but give Tad another 5-6 mos and his platform will be stellar. Culture is already their. Havent made a move but BFE would be my 1st choice given a few more months working out some minor glitches.
The RP for Michigan and Ohio is a former AGE RP, his office is in Cincinnati. He is a decent guy. The Wachovia RP that Michigan had when WB took over AGE was the biggest loudmouth anyone can imagine. The first time I met the s.ob., I thought to myself, I ought to quit right now! Mr. Loudmouth likes to tell everyone that he was a million dollar producer with Merrill in Chicago. What Mr. Loudmouth didn’t say was that he was the 7th man of a 7 man team. Million dollar producers don’t walk away from a book to be regional manager that can get fired at anytime.
That's the guy I am talking about.The RP for Michigan and Ohio is a former AGE RP, his office is in Cincinnati. He is a decent guy. The Wachovia RP that Michigan had when WB took over AGE was the biggest loudmouth anyone can imagine. The first time I met the s.ob., I thought to myself, I ought to quit right now! Mr. Loudmouth likes to tell everyone that he was a million dollar producer with Merrill in Chicago. What Mr. Loudmouth didn’t say was that he was the 7th man of a 7 man team. Million dollar producers don’t walk away from a book to be regional manager that can get fired at anytime.