tdude - your boy Griffin thinks that 9/11 was an inside job.  Makes him a nutjob.

http://www.realityzone.com/

What BS.   ron paul is an annoying whiney fukc.





Fed chairman Bernanke simply doesn’t know Fed history as well as Ron Paul (Or the history conveniently slipped his memory). As far as Watergate, I always thought it was pretty common knowledge that the money ended up in the burglars’ hands through some pretty fishy means. Even wikipedia has part of the story:

[Watergate burglar Bernard] Barker had attempted to disguise the origin of the funds by depositing the donors’ checks into bank accounts which (though controlled by him), were located in banks outside of the United States. What Barker, Liddy, and Sloan did not know was that the complete record of all such transactions are held, after the funds cleared, for roughly six months. Barker’s use of foreign banks to deposit checks and withdraw the funds via cashier’s checks and money orders in April and May 1972 guaranteed that the banks would keep the entire transaction record at least until October and November 1972.

Wikipedia, also states:

Investigative examination of the bank records of a Miami company run byWatergate burglar Bernard Barker revealed that an account controlled by him personally had deposited, and had transferred to it (through the Federal Reserve Check Clearing System) the funds from these financial instruments.

Clearly, there were some very, very odd transactions that went down which may, or may not, have been abnormally facilitated by the Fed. Was this a normal Fed wire, or something more convoluted? My sense has always been that there was something a bit extraordinary about the way the funds went through the Fed system. It does smell, for sure, and to ask about it is not bizarre. It should be noted that the Fed chairman at the time was Arthur Burns, who would have sold his own children to a white slave ring if Nixon had asked. (In a recent report by Micahel Labeit, here at EconominPolicyJournal.com, Labeit details the speech of former Columbia University PhD student Walter Block, who during the speech reminisced about his years studying at the school ,Block specifically recalled how Arthur Burns in his class, instead of teaching, simply told stories of his dinners with Nixon.) Note, I don’t think Nixon, himself, necessarily asked Burns to help in the transfer of the funds, but Burns would very likely have responded positively to a request from a Nixon lieutenant, given his adoration of Nixon.

Here’s the late investigative reporter Sherman Skolnick reporting on the documents the Fed blocked Congress from seeing about its possible involvement with money sent to Hussein:

….in October, 1990, at the time of the Persian Gulf conflict, there was an unpublicized case in the Chicago Federal District Court (No. 90 C 6863). The Illinois Bank Commissioner sought an injunction against the Federal Reserve Board to stop them from turning over certain bank records to the House Banking Committee. The records were those of the Chicago branch of Italy’s largest [bank], Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, owned in part by the Vatican.

Called BNL, it had records of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein and his secret private joint business dealings with his partner, an American. A close crony of the Federal Reserve, Chicago Federal District Judge Brian Barnett Duff, ordered the return of any records from the Banking Committee, then headed by a Democrat,Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D., Texas).

The House Banking Committee was an intervening party-litigant in the controversy. Judge Duff so opposed the House Banking Committee’s efforts to get those records, that the Judge would not listen to the Committee’s attorney; did not want the attorney in the Judge’s courtroom, the Judge calling him an 800 pound gorilla showing no respect for the court.

In May, 1991, right after the War ended in the Persian Gulf, the case ended up in the Federal Appeals Court in Chicago; a court dominated by Judges tied to the major banks and cronies of the Federal Reserve.

A D V E R T I S E M E N T



From what I understand,the Illinois Bank Commissioner filed against the Fed at the request of the Fed! What were they hiding? Ron Paul’s question wasn’t bizarre, it was Chairman Bernanke’s response that was bizarre, disrespectful and out of order. It’s time for an apology by Chairman Bernanke. And let’s see those Fed records about Hussein, the Chicago branch of BNL and the Fed!

Bernanke’s response of total ignorance reminds me of the time former Treasury Secretary for Economic Policy, Phil Swagel told me, with a straight face, he didn’t know what a gold swap was.

When it serves them, these guys have very forgetful memories. Thank the heavens there are people like Ron Paul around to remind them.

UPDATE Here’s more on possible Fed involvment in the Watergate money. From David T. Beito (Via LRC):

Well, it seems that Paul may have been onto something…or at the very least raised legitimate questions that deserve investigation. A few minutes on google news produced this 1982 story from the Milwaukee Sentinel by Richard Bradee of the paper’s Washington Bureau

“Police who searched the room the Watergate burglars used found $4,200 in $100 dollar bills, all numbered in sequence. Proxmire asked the Federal Reserve Board where the money came from. As he explained in a letter to the late Rep. Wright Patman (D-Tex.), chairman of the House Banking Committee: “I got the biggest run-around [from the Federal Reserve] in years. They ducked, misled, lied, and gave me the idiot treatment.”

I consider myself pretty pragmatic, and a fairly independent thinker...and know without a doubt that a Gore presidency would have been awful.  That's it.  This is and endless debate not worth having - but is good support for EC (kindof).

[quote=mlgone] without the Fed, ML would have gone down in dec 08 and the world financial markets would have collapsed and many of us would be out of jobs.  The credit crises had what the depression didn’t…the fed and monetary controls

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[quote=Shania Twain] [quote=mlgone] without the Fed, ML would have gone down in dec 08 and the world financial markets would have collapsed and many of us would be out of jobs. The credit crises had what the depression didn’t…the fed and monetary controls[/quote]



without the fed…mer would not have been in trouble with the bubble???





electoral college is dumb.



someones vote in CA or ill or where ever is potentially “worth” more



retarded [/quote]Without the electoral college, rural areas would be completely ignored. Candidates would focus their entire campaigning efforts in the cities since that would be the most efficient use of their time and resources (why spend an entire day trekking through the sticks to glad hand 50 dairy farmers when you can have a 2 hour televised rally in front of 20,000 at a downtown arena). Policy platforms would be skewed to benefit urban Americans since it would be the easiest way for candidates to lock up votes.The system isn’t perfect, but relying purely on the popular vote would not make things better.[/quote]





You’re right.   I did’nt think of that angle. duh

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I consider myself pretty pragmatic, and a fairly independent thinker…and know without a doubt that a Gore presidency would have been awful.  That’s it.  This is and endless debate not worth having - but is good support for EC (kindof).

[quote=NYCTrader]

[quote=Wet_Blanket]

I consider myself pretty pragmatic, and a fairly independent thinker…and know without a doubt that a Gore presidency would have been awful. That’s it. This is and endless debate not worth having - but is good support for EC (kindof).

[quote=Shania Twain] [quote=NYCTrader]

[quote=Wet_Blanket]

I consider myself pretty pragmatic, and a fairly independent thinker…and know without a doubt that a Gore presidency would have been awful.  That’s it.  This is and endless debate not worth having - but is good support for EC (kindof).

moraen…9-11 was an inside job. It was hatched by a radical element

in Paki intel using Saudi radicals. Pakistan govt caught wind of it and warned NSA. U S Govt new the location and time and Cheney ran the operation from the bunker. Goal was to allow it to happen for 3 reasons. Iraqi oil, Afghani opium and oilpipeline and to pass the Patriot bill to snoop on Americans.



Lets see…Saudis fly into buildings, USA attacts Iraq and Afghans, Starts new dept of Homeland Security (thought defense dept Army Navy etc) was for homeland security but they are empire building. Does DHS protect our borders…no they steal our toothpaste at airports and put a camera on every intersection in America…U R quite naive. Remember what Rahm said…never let a good crisis go to waste. Many naive bloggers here



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[quote=tdude]moraen….9-11 was an inside job. It was hatched by a radical element

in Paki intel using Saudi radicals. Pakistan govt caught wind of it and warned NSA. U S Govt new the location and time and Cheney ran the operation from the bunker. Goal was to allow it to happen for 3 reasons. Iraqi oil, Afghani opium and oilpipeline and to pass the Patriot bill to snoop on Americans.



Lets see…Saudis fly into buildings, USA attacts Iraq and Afghans, Starts new dept of Homeland Security (thought defense dept Army Navy etc) was for homeland security but they are empire building. Does DHS protect our borders…no they steal our toothpaste at airports and put a camera on every intersection in America…U R quite naive. Remember what Rahm said…never let a good crisis go to waste. Many naive bloggers here



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You lose any credibility you may possibly have had with that statement.  Scientists from renowned institutions and laymen (the guys who actually do controlled demo for a living) have refuted every one of the “Truthers” points.

“But it would have worked if they were using the top secret military grade thermite!”.  I never laughed so hard in my life.  An eighteen year old kid who is angry at his parents makes a film and gets experts who got their Ph.D’s from the University of Phoenix Online to back him up.

9/11 was an inside job!  I can make you 7000% on penny stocks too. 

By the way, my Dad works for DARPA, now that he’s out of the Army.  No such thing as “military grade top secret thermite”.  Clowns.

Back on topic: Gore.  I will admit that he has done some good - and I admire what his Father did in the Senate.  I can see why he totally lost it after the 2000 elections.  When the Democrats were first picking candidates to go against Bush Sr., Gore was considered an “A” class pick.  However, Bush Sr’s approval rating was so great that the Dems didn’t want to waste any top candidates on the race - so came in “B” class Bill Clinton.  Ofcourse we all know what happened then.  So Gore had to wait 8 years for his next chance, only to come soo close to getting the presidency.  Put this defeat in context by considering what happend to his Father and you will see that this would have been “payback” for Gore (getting the presidency).

Bernanke needs to apologize to Ron Paul

http://www.infowars.com/fed-chairman-bernanke-should-apologize-to-ron-paul/

[quote=tdude]moraen….9-11 was an inside job. It was hatched by a radical element
in Paki intel using Saudi radicals. Pakistan govt caught wind of it and warned NSA. U S Govt new the location and time and Cheney ran the operation from the bunker. Goal was to allow it to happen for 3 reasons. Iraqi oil, Afghani opium and oilpipeline and to pass the Patriot bill to snoop on Americans.

Lets see…Saudis fly into buildings, USA attacts Iraq and Afghans, Starts new dept of Homeland Security (thought defense dept Army Navy etc) was for homeland security but they are empire building. Does DHS protect our borders…no they steal our toothpaste at airports and put a camera on every intersection in America…U R quite naive. Remember what Rahm said…never let a good crisis go to waste. Many naive bloggers here

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You lose any credibility you may possibly have had with that statement.  Scientists from renowned institutions and laymen (the guys who actually do controlled demo for a living) have refuted every one of the “Truthers” points.

“But it would have worked if they were using the top secret military grade thermite!”.  I never laughed so hard in my life.  An eighteen year old kid who is angry at his parents makes a film and gets experts who got their Ph.D’s from the University of Phoenix Online to back him up.

9/11 was an inside job!  I can make you 7000% on penny stocks too. 

By the way, my Dad works for DARPA, now that he’s out of the Army.  No such thing as “military grade top secret thermite”.  Clowns.

[quote=Wet_Blanket]Back on topic: Gore.  I will admit that he has done some good - and I admire what his Father did in the Senate.  I can see why he totally lost it after the 2000 elections.  When the Democrats were first picking candidates to go against Bush Sr., Gore was considered an “A” class pick.  However, Bush Sr’s approval rating was so great that the Dems didn’t want to waste any top candidates on the race - so came in “B” class Bill Clinton.  Ofcourse we all know what happened then.  So Gore had to wait 8 years for his next chance, only to come soo close to getting the presidency.  Put this defeat in context by considering what happend to his Father and you will see that this would have been “payback” for Gore (getting the presidency).

[quote=NYCTrader] [quote=Wet_Blanket]Back on topic: Gore.  I will admit that he has done some good - and I admire what his Father did in the Senate.  I can see why he totally lost it after the 2000 elections.  When the Democrats were first picking candidates to go against Bush Sr., Gore was considered an “A” class pick.  However, Bush Sr’s approval rating was so great that the Dems didn’t want to waste any top candidates on the race - so came in “B” class Bill Clinton.  Ofcourse we all know what happened then.  So Gore had to wait 8 years for his next chance, only to come soo close to getting the presidency.  Put this defeat in context by considering what happend to his Father and you will see that this would have been “payback” for Gore (getting the presidency).

Kerry was a complete Douche.  Now with the whole Edwards scandal I constantly make fun of my wife for voting for those two.  Although, with Edwards now, Kerry seems less douchey by comparison.

Larry Craig and Mark Foley are much more upstanding than John Edwards. 

Larry Craig and Mark Foley are much more upstanding than John Edwards.

Kerry was a complete Douche. Now with the whole Edwards scandal I constantly make fun of my wife for voting for those two. Although, with Edwards now, Kerry seems less douchey by comparison.

A friend of mine and I used to have lunch together quite often.  He provides education for defined contribution plan administrators.  We used to have conversations all of the time (arguments really).  He was a big supporter of Edwards because Andrew Young was his neighbor (literally right next to each other).  I used to tell him that Edwards was a scumbag.  When all of this broke, he stopped returning my calls. 

Larry Craig, Mark Foley, John Edwards, Newt Gingrich, Bill Clinton - all scumbags.