[quote=NY_BROKER]

MikeButler222

I hope that you are not believing what management says 100%. Anyone that puts thier career in the hands of MS management has to be a newbee in the business or aspiring to get into management. 

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I think if you read my post you'll see where I say they can change their minds tomorrow. Obviously someone who feels free to move as I have doesn't "put their career" in anyone else's hands.

All I've been doing is countering your comments about what MS's plans currently are.

[quote=downtown]

NY_BROKER

You are 100% correct. Do you know what the MS town hall meeting was about yesterday?

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If you saw the town hall you'd know that NY_BROKER is anything but right, except his last comment about not entrusting your career to any mangement.

[quote=NY_BROKER]

MikeButler222

I hope that you are not believing what management says 100%. Anyone that puts thier career in the hands of MS management has to be a newbee in the business or aspiring to get into management. 

[/quote]

It would be consistent for MikeB to believe 100% of what management says.  His posts almost always come across as a "company man".  Reminds me of my old Morgan Stanley manager. 

[quote=dude][quote=NY_BROKER]

MikeButler222

I hope that you are not believing what management says 100%. Anyone that puts thier career in the hands of MS management has to be a newbee in the business or aspiring to get into management. 

[/quote]

It would be consistent for MikeB to believe 100% of what management says.  His posts almost always come across as a "company man".  Reminds me of my old Morgan Stanley manager. 

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Dude, grow up. You're letting the political talk here spill over into conversations on other subjects.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

I think any fair reading of this thread (and despite what you’ve said on the political threads, I’ve found you reasonable on other topics) would show that NY_BROKER has floated rumors and misquoted the CFO of MS in an attempt to run with the “Gorman’s going to have a $350k cut line” line. That may be what happens some day, but it’s obviously not the plan now.

In fact, if you think back NY_BROKER (who has some sort of grudge against MS) has been floating the “They’re going to cut everyone below $350k” routine since last Summer. Several of his deadlines have already come and gone.

I’ve said all along that it’s foolish to entrust your career to anyone else, much less management which can and will turn their decisions on a dime. I’ve pointed out what the CFO REALLY said (as opposed to what BROKER was implying was said), I pointed out what Gorman and Mack have said, and I’ve pointed out how many people would be cut if $350k became a cut line. I’ve never, never said hand your career to management.

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=dude][quote=NY_BROKER]

MikeButler222

I’ve pointed out how many people would be cut if $350k became a cut line.

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Including MikeB?

Let's all cut the poor guy some slack, he is obviously worried about his future employment.  After all, we have all been concerned about our continuing employment in this industry at some point.  And obviously, jobhopper has had this concern more than most. 

[quote=jonesnewbie][quote=mikebutler222][quote=dude][quote=NY_BROKER]

MikeButler222

I’ve pointed out how many people would be cut if $350k became a cut line.

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Including MikeB?

Let's all cut the poor guy some slack, he is obviously worried about his future employment.  After all, we have all been concerned about our continuing employment in this industry at some point.  And obviously, jobhopper has had this concern more than most. 

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I guess the good news for you, newbie, is that the Subway shop next to your office always has that “help wanted” sign hanging there for you to consider.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

I suppose I’ll never understand those that fear controlling their own career and moving when they want. It is interesting how those same fearful souls hide behind their CRD behind screen name  anonymity.

[quote=mikebutler222]

I guess the good news for you, newbie, is that the Subway shop next to your office always has that “help wanted” sign hanging there for you to consider.

[/quote]

Sorry I have to be the one to disabuse you of that notion, but I work in an office building with attorneys. CPA's, mortgage brokers and other professionals. 

Of course, the good news for you is that Jones is always hiring brokers producing in the 250-250k range regardless of LOS, so you do have an exit option.  See you at the next Diversification Trip.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[quote=mikebutler222]

I suppose I’ll never understand those that fear controlling their own career and moving when they want. It is interesting how those same fearful souls hide behind their CRD behind screen name  anonymity.

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If you want to "control your own carrer" why aren't you independent?  That's my plan once I am 5 yrs LOS.

I predict a lot fewer posts from MikeB one the cuts are anounced. 

[quote=jonesnewbie][quote=mikebutler222] I guess the good news for you, newbie, is that the Subway shop next to your office always has that “help wanted” sign hanging there for you to consider.

[/quote]

Sorry I have to be the one to disabuse you of that notion, but I work in an office building with attorneys. CPA's, mortgage brokers and other professionals.

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Sure you do, newbie, that isn’t a dry cleaner next to your office and you haven’t spent your days doing the Jones door-to-door shuffle. You really should remain quiet when adults are talking about a business you’re still so very green to…

[quote=jonesnewbie]

Of course, the good news for you is that Jones is always hiring brokers producing in the 250-250k range regardless of LOS, so you do have an exit option. See you at the next Diversification Trip. [/quote]

Joining Jones would be a fate worse than death, and it says something about your firm that they’re happy to land those coveted $250k producers….. BTW, there already WAS a cut at MS that trimmed away the "big producers" Jones would love to land.

Having said that, unless your outfit drags along the bottom 15%, I doubt you'll be on any sales contest, er "diverisfication" trips.

[quote=mikebutler222]

I suppose I’ll never understand those that fear controlling their own career and moving when they want. It is interesting how those same fearful souls hide behind their CRD behind screen name anonymity.

[/quote]

[quote=jonesnewbie]

If you want to "control your own carrer" why aren't you independent? That's my plan once I am 5 yrs LOS.

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I wouldn’t bet the farm on your surviving to LOS 5, newbie, much less that you’ll have the courage to leave the nest. After all, you seem to think moving is a sign of desperation. If your conduct here says anything about your nature, you’re a coward that will suckle at the Jones tit for as long as they’ll have you.

Something for you to ponder, you can own your own book in more ways than just owning the office, and owning your own transportable book is controlling your own career. Now, with your carrier pigeon technology and three mutual fund families you handle it’s all too new for you to grasp. Someday I may be able to do in an indy channel what I do now. In fact, Wachovia's indy channel looks pretty strong. OTOH, they don't seem to get rave reviews from those who've dug deeply into them....

[quote=jonesnewbie]

I predict a lot fewer posts from MikeB one the cuts are anounced.

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I predict newbie will still be here pontificating from his strip mall office about his vast experience in the business as an LOS 2 working at the Amway of the brokerage business and hiding his CRD….

…just an aside…what is this hiding CRD talk?

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=dude][quote=NY_BROKER]

MikeButler222

I hope that you are not believing what management says 100%. Anyone that puts thier career in the hands of MS management has to be a newbee in the business or aspiring to get into management. 

[/quote]

It would be consistent for MikeB to believe 100% of what management says.  His posts almost always come across as a "company man".  Reminds me of my old Morgan Stanley manager. 

[/quote]

Dude, grow up. You're letting the political talk here spill over into conversations on other subjects.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

I think any fair reading of this thread (and despite what you’ve said on the political threads, I’ve found you reasonable on other topics) would show that NY_BROKER has floated rumors and misquoted the CFO of MS in an attempt to run with the “Gorman’s going to have a $350k cut line” line. That may be what happens some day, but it’s obviously not the plan now.

In fact, if you think back NY_BROKER (who has some sort of grudge against MS) has been floating the “They’re going to cut everyone below $350k” routine since last Summer. Several of his deadlines have already come and gone.

I’ve said all along that it’s foolish to entrust your career to anyone else, much less management which can and will turn their decisions on a dime. I’ve pointed out what the CFO REALLY said (as opposed to what BROKER was implying was said), I pointed out what Gorman and Mack have said, and I’ve pointed out how many people would be cut if $350k became a cut line. I’ve never, never said hand your career to management.

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Sorry Mike, a little bit of a low blow.  Didn't know the history here.  Nothing personal, it's that sometimes you come across as "one pointed" (hope that makes sense) which can be good as well as bad.   

[quote=dude]

Sorry Mike, a little bit of a low blow. 

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Not a problem, dude.

[quote=dude]

Nothing personal, it's that sometimes you come across as "one pointed" (hope that makes sense) which can be good as well as bad.   

[/quote]

Point taken   ;)

[quote=frumhere]...just an aside...what is this hiding CRD talk?[/quote]

Nothing important, we just have a small contingent of cowards that want to yammer on with defamatory, fictional  spin about my identity and CRD, which was reviled a while back, while hiding their own.  I just remind them when they raise the subject how they're hiding behind their own skirts.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=frumhere]...just an aside...what is this hiding CRD talk?[/quote]

Nothing important, we just have a small contingent of cowards that want to yammer on with defamatory, fictional  spin about my identity and CRD, which was reviled a while back, while hiding their own.  I just remind them when they raise the subject how they're hiding behind their own skirts.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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Mike,

Sorry , but there is nothing brave about the fact that most everyone on here knows who you are.

You pissed of some psycho that outed you twice, that's unfortunate.

Now you continue to post under the same screen name, that's just plain stupid.

[quote=jonesnewbie][quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=frumhere]...just an aside...what is this hiding CRD talk?[/quote]

Nothing important, we just have a small contingent of cowards that want to yammer on with defamatory, fictional spin about my identity and CRD, which was reviled a while back, while hiding their own. I just remind them when they raise the subject how they're hiding behind their own skirts.

[/quote]

Mike,

Sorry , but there is nothing brave about the fact that most everyone on here knows who you are.

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Is that right? Well I could have taken the cowardly route, as you suggested, and changed screen names. Then again, since I have nothing to hide, why change names? So that I could avoid pissants like you playing on the “outing”? You consider yourself far more important than you really are, little fella.

[quote=jonesnewbie]

You pissed of some psycho that outed you twice, that's unfortunate.

[/quote]

Seems to me by continuing to try to play that card, you're in the same category he is.

[quote=jonesnewbie]

Now you continue to post under the same screen name, that's just plain stupid.

[/quote]

Sorry, newbie, but the definition of cowardly seems to escape you. Let me give you a hint, someone who plays on the lost of anonymity of another while maintaining their own. THAT's cowardly, and you serve as a shining example..

[quote=jonesnewbie][quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=frumhere]...just an aside...what is this hiding CRD talk?[/quote]

Nothing important, we just have a small contingent of cowards that want to yammer on with defamatory, fictional  spin about my identity and CRD, which was reviled a while back, while hiding their own.  I just remind them when they raise the subject how they're hiding behind their own skirts.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[/quote]

Mike,

Sorry , but there is nothing brave about the fact that most everyone on here knows who you are.

You pissed of some psycho that outed you twice, that's unfortunate.

Now you continue to post under the same screen name, that's just plain stupid.

[/quote]

Jonesnewbie:

If MikeB started posting under a different name, I think we'd all know.... he has a very distinctive approach.....if you know what I mean.  Why is it stupid to continue to post under the same screen name?  I guess if MikeB were insecure about being "outed" he would have changed (but like I said, I think we'd all know if he did) it. 

I think it's pansy a*s for these c*cksuckers to leverage the identity issue.  They use it 'cause they can't support their views with any logic or form so they digress into petty school yard pissing matches.  I don't always agree w/you (MikeB), but this sh*t is pathetic.

[quote=mikebutler222]

Is that right? Well I could have taken the cowardly route, as you suggested, and changed screen names. Then again, since I have nothing to hide, why change names?

[/quote]

Because your blood pressure goes up 40 points every time someone calls you a jobhopper.  All that anger can't be healthy.

And as for taking the "cowardly route" and changing screen names, well you already did that once, coward. 

 [quote=mikebutler222]

You consider yourself far more important than you really are, little fella.

[/quote]

Well obviously I am not important to you, why else would you bother responding.  And in just 11 minutes, too. 

[quote=mikebutler222]

Sorry, newbie, but the definition of cowardly seems to escape you. Let me give you a hint, someone who plays on the lost of anonymity of another while maintaining their own. THAT's cowardly, and you serve as a shining example.

[/quote]

Fair enough, by your definition we are both cowards, I can live with that. 

 I’ve enjoyed reading Mike Butler’s contributions.  When I read “hide the CRD” comment I looked him up on Morgan’s internal system to see where he was located.  Thank God Mike B is an alias.  The only Mike Butler listed was a guy that works for the debt collections dept. at Discover card.  Lets get this discussion back on topic.  Mike, what did you think about Gorman’s email where he lists “improve financial discliplin” as one of his objectives? 

[quote=jonesnewbie][quote=mikebutler222]

Is that right? Well I could have taken the cowardly route, as you suggested, and changed screen names. Then again, since I have nothing to hide, why change names?

[/quote]

Because your blood pressure goes up 40 points every time someone calls you a jobhopper.  All that anger can't be healthy.

[/quote]

Again, you over estimate your importance. You're a pissant

[quote=jonesnewbie]

And as for taking the "cowardly route" and changing screen names, well you already did that once, coward. 

[/quote]

It's just amazing how consistantly you're wrong, newbie. I didn't change names voluntarily, I did so at the administator's instruction.

 [quote=mikebutler222]

You consider yourself far more important than you really are, little fella.

[/quote]

[quote=mikebutler222]

Well obviously I am not important to you, why else would you bother responding.  And in just 11 minutes, too. 

[/quote]

You really think it takes much effort or time to counter your foolishness? Sorry, newbie, you're nothing more than a buzzing fly in an open window on my laptop. You're far from being a challenge, much less important.

[quote=mikebutler222]

Sorry, newbie, but the definition of cowardly seems to escape you. Let me give you a hint, someone who plays on the lost of anonymity of another while maintaining their own. THAT's cowardly, and you serve as a shining example.

[/quote]

Fair enough, by your definition we are both cowards, I can live with that. 

[/quote]

Here's a hint, pissant, only one of us is hiding, and that's you coward.

It must suck enough being at Jones, much less being a newbie, but you have to be a special sort of loser to pile coward on the resume of yours.

[quote=dude]

I think it's pansy a*s for these c*cksuckers to leverage the identity issue.  They use it 'cause they can't support their views with any logic or form so they digress into petty school yard pissing matches.  I don't always agree w/you (MikeB), but this sh*t is pathetic.

[/quote]

Dude, I'm loving it. I see it as's nothing but a chance to rattle the cage of a coward who sees himself as some sort of big man