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Jan 11, 2007 4:35 am

For those of you who have read the blogs ( and ) or those who have been cheated or lied to, places to e-mail or call in your concern/rage about Larry Klein and NFcom/Javelin:

NASD North CA Office (will take anonymous complaint):#415-217-1100

Rob Billingham : [email protected] (Wrote a great article about LK's activities. Could follow-up with the ongoing web outrage.)

Tom Lauricella: [email protected] (Wrote an article about the questionable CRFA courses Klein selss. Not aware of subsequent scam revelations.)

Contra Costa Times Business Editor : #925-943-8099

Klein succeeded in his scams by using the internet. Maybe the power of the web can also be his downfall.

Jan 11, 2007 3:18 pm

There are a number of things I can't stand about Mr. Larry Klein, and I would just love to share them with you. It is worth noting at the outset that Larry's intent is to prevent us from asking questions. He doesn't want the details checked. He doesn't want anyone looking for any facts other than the official facts he presents to us. I wonder if this is because most of his "facts" are false. There are three points I need to make here. First, he is positing a "valid" logic devoid of empirical content (i.e., devoid of facts). Second, he can't relate what he sees to any broader principle. And third, I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with him. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I ensure that the values for which we have labored and for which many of us have fought and sacrificed will continue in ascendancy. Larry managed to convince a bunch of scurrilous, doctrinaire twaddlers to help him reopen wounds that seem scarcely healed. What was the quid pro quo there? As you no doubt realize, that's a particulary timely question. In fact, just half an hour ago, I heard someone express the opinion that even Larry's representatives are afraid that Larry will make human life negligible and cheap one day. I have seen their fear manifested over and over again, and it is further evidence that Larry's continuous and deliberate misuse of the word "homeotransplantation" in an attempt to enact new laws forcing anyone who's not one of Larry's patsies to live in an environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant is both arrogant and daft. That conclusion is not based on some sort of belligerent philosophy or on Larry-style mental masturbation, but on widely known and proven principles of science. These principles explain that Larry is locked into his present course of destruction. He does not have the interest or the will to change his fundamentally jackbooted manuscripts.

On a personal note, if you don't think that this kind of thing makes me wonder whether we've ever moved past feral solipsism at all, then you've missed the whole point of this letter. Discrediting ideas by labeling them as xenophobic is an old tradition among Larry's apostles. Hard to believe? Then consider the following statement from one of Larry's salacious helpers: "Human beings should be appraised by the number of things and the amount of money they possess instead of by their internal value and achievements." Pretty iconoclastic, huh? Well, what I find frightening is that some academics actually believe Larry's line that he is always being misrepresented and/or persecuted. In this case, "academics" refers to a stratum of the residual intelligentsia surviving the recession of its demotic base, not to those seekers of truth who understand that Larry twists every argument into some sort of "struggle" between two parties. Larry unvaryingly constitutes the underdog party, which is what he claims gives him the right to blame those who have no power to change the current direction of events.

Larry likes to cite poll results that "prove" that divine ichor flows through his veins. Really? Have you ever been contacted by one of his pollsters? Chances are good that you never have been contacted and never will be. Otherwise, the polls would show that I can say one thing about Larry. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount -- not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that I believe I have finally figured out what makes people like Larry defuse or undermine incisive critiques of his lawless behavior by turning them into procedural arguments about mechanisms of institutional restraint. It appears to be a combination of an overactive mind, lack of common sense, assurance of one's own moral propriety, and a total lack of exposure to the real world. Now, it is not my purpose to suggest that Larry's legatees can't defend their maneuvers, but rather to help young people develop the ability to make informed and reasoned decisions for the public good as citizens of a culturally diverse, democratic society in an interdependent world.

The underlying message is that Larry doesn't want us to know about his plans to send children to die as martyrs for causes that he is unwilling to die for himself. Otherwise, we might do something about that. The justification he gave for seeking to engage in an endless round of finger pointing was one of the most fastidious justifications I've ever heard. It was so fastidious, in fact, that I will not repeat it here. Even without hearing the details you can still see my point quite clearly: Larry claims to be supportive of my plan to teach mutinous larcenous-types about tolerance. Don't trust him, though; he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Before you know it, he'll reduce history to an overdetermined, wireframe sketch of what are, in reality, complex, dynamic events. Not only that, but if Larry had even a shred of intellectual integrity, he'd admit that his generalizations are not witty satire, as Larry would have you believe. They're simply the unsophisticated ramblings of someone who has no idea or appreciation of what he's mocking. If Larry could have one wish, he'd wish for the ability to dominate the whole earth and take possession of all its riches. Then, people the world over would be too terrified to acknowledge that Larry's serfs get a thrill out of protesting. They have no idea what causes they're fighting for or against. For them, going down to the local protest, carrying a sign, hanging out with Larry, and meeting some other temperamental, bookish loons is merely a social event. They're not even aware that the problem with Larry is not that he's gutless. It's that he wants to start wars, ruin the environment, invent diseases, and routinely do a hundred other things that kill people. Larry takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on him. He also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) his position.

Everybody loves a good game of hide-and-seek: find the person, find the hidden item, or, in Larry's case, find the hidden agenda. Larry has called innocent children phlegmatic, obnoxious shysters to their faces. This was not a momentary aberration or a slip of the tongue, and hence, we can safely say that someone just showed me a memo supposedly written by Larry. The memo spells out his plans to seek vengeance on those unrepentant souls who persist in challenging his modes of thought. If this memo is authentic, it tells us that if you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that what really irks me is that Larry has presented us with a Hobson's choice. Either we let him tear down everything that can possibly be regarded as a support of cultural elevation or he'll grasp at straws, trying to find increasingly whiney ways to usher in the beginning of a slaphappy new era of snobbism. Larry wants to wiretap all of our telephones and computers. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom, then you should be working with me to build a world overflowing with compassion and tolerance.

The tone of Larry's hypnopompic insights is so far removed from reality, I find myself questioning what color the sky must be in Larry's world. While others have also published information about morally questionable dirtbags, if Larry gets his way, I might very well fall firmly into the hands of spleeny, self-centered scrubs. If you're interested in the finagling, double-dealing, chicanery, cheating, cajolery, cunning, rascality, and abject villainy by which he may create an untrue and injurious impression of an entire people in the immediate years ahead, then you'll want to consider the following very carefully. You'll especially want to consider that the first response to this from Larry's trucklers is perhaps that Larry is as innocent as a newborn lamb. Wrong. Just glance at the facts: Larry loves getting up in front of people and telling them that truth is merely a social construct. He then boasts about how he'll defy the rules of logic before you know it. It's all part of the media spectacle that is Larry Klein. Of course, he soaks it up and wallows in it like a pig in mud. Speaking of pigs and mud, I have a New Year's resolution for Larry: He should pick up a book before he jumps to the self-righteous conclusion that radicalism is the only alternative to totalitarianism. Larry is an inspiration to purblind twerps everywhere. They panegyrize his crusade to demonstrate an outright hostility to law enforcement and, more importantly, they don't realize that Larry is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens appeal for comity between us and him. Responsible citizens really do not break down the industrial-technological system. So maybe it's time for him to face the music. Big deal. What's more important is that he is an opportunist. That is, he is an ideological chameleon, without any real morality, without a soul.

I am a law-and-order kind of person. I hate to see crimes go unpunished. That's why I honestly hope that Larry serves a long prison term for his illegal attempts to put increased disruptive powers in the hands of the most out-of-touch degenerates you'll ever see.

I think we can decidedly say that Larry's shills claim to have no choice but to monopolize the press. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, rotten slanderers. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. There is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until Larry and his functionaries started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that I welcome Larry's comments. However, Larry needs to realize that if we don't call for proper disciplinary action against him and his operatives right now, then Larry's reinterpretations of historic events will soon start to metastasize until they give voice, in a totally emotional and non-rational way, to Larry's deep-rooted love of scapegoatism.

More concretely, the really interesting thing about all this is not that what Larry is doing is post-structuralism in its most incorrigible form. The interesting thing is that his recommendations cannot stand on their own merit. That's why they're dependent on elaborate artifices and explanatory stories to convince us that we can change the truth if we don't like it the way it is. His machinations present us with a riddle: Where do scornful hoodwinkers like him come from, and what are we going to do with them? Let me give you a hint: No reasonable person would deny that education without action creates frustration, while action without education leads to gnosticism. I'll probably devote a separate letter to that topic alone, but for now, I'll simply summarize by stating that Larry craves more power. I say we should give him more power -- preferably, 10,000 volts of it. No amount of opinion or innuendo nor any string of unrelated politics can change the fact that he has an amazing ability to disengage his intellect. But there's the rub; I correctly predicted that he would panic irrationally and overreact completely. Alas, I didn't think he'd do that so effectively -- or so soon.

Oh, and one more thing. Larry's associates' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be. Larry claims that obstructionism and Marxism are identical concepts. I, however, contend that that's a load of crud. Yes, in order to weaken the critical links in his nexus of crapulous animalism, tremendous sacrifices and equally great labors will be necessary, but he would not hesitate to make people weak and dependent if he felt he could benefit from doing so. A final note: Innocent children have been brainwashed by Mr. Larry Klein's wrongheaded philippics.

Jan 11, 2007 4:58 pm

Dude wtf are you talking about?

Did you decide to blow the dust off your thesaurus and “list of big impressive words” and decide to give them some exercise?

Let me give you a clue…NOBODY cares how smart you seem to be if we can’t tell what you’re talking about!!!

Oh and by the way, your sentence structure sucks, and you’ve misused some of those multisyllabic words, and I think even manufactured a few.

Do us all a favor and don’t post when you’re under the effects of whatever you were smoking or snorting…

Jan 11, 2007 5:31 pm

Being victimized by Larry Klein has obviously lead to Zaid's psychosis- unless he is Larry in disguise trying to change the topic which is more likely.

Contacting the folks named is still a good idea I think.

Jan 11, 2007 5:39 pm

[quote=joedabrkr]Dude wtf are you talking about?

Did you decide to blow the dust off your thesaurus and "list of big impressive words" and decide to give them some exercise?

Let me give you a clue.....NOBODY cares how smart you seem to be if we can't tell what you're talking about!!!

Oh and by the way, your sentence structure sucks, and you've misused some of those multisyllabic words, and I think even manufactured a few.

Do us all a favor and don't post when you're under the effects of whatever you were smoking or snorting.... ;-)

LOL Joe! I can't blame you for your outburst. I would have said the same thing. Oh...I love that Scott Pakin.

Jan 11, 2007 5:49 pm


Funny letter then. Have you actually made any REAL e-mails/calls about Larry...or just want him to move on to the next scam?

Jan 11, 2007 6:08 pm

Yes...I have had numerous problems with Mr. Scam Artist. The blog quite accurately portrays his evil ways.

Peace to all...

Jan 11, 2007 7:14 pm

 Larry is locked into his present course of destruction.

 A final note: Innocent children have been brainwashed by Mr. Larry Klein's wrongheaded philippics.

With your reference to destruction, and quoting the ancient Greek philippics and all, I thought maybe you were giving us the key to the universe, through satire.

Now you say Larry is just an ordinary scumbag?


Jan 11, 2007 9:20 pm


 Larry is locked into his present course of destruction.

 A final note: Innocent children have been brainwashed by Mr. Larry Klein's wrongheaded philippics.

With your reference to destruction, and quoting the ancient Greek philippics and all, I thought maybe you were giving us the key to the universe, through satire.

Now you say Larry is just an ordinary scumbag?



The complaint generator did all of the work for me (in about 20 seconds!)

Peace to all of you as Lebanon must rid itself of Hezbollah's influence.

Jan 11, 2007 10:01 pm

Now you really are giving us the key: Lebanon, Garden of Eden, sovereign nation. Thirty years ago, I was picking peaches in an orchard in Southern Illinois, my refugee friend from Lebanon was outpicking us two to one. His family had a peach orchard there. At that time, Lebanon was being victimized by sectarian violence.

God bless the Lebanese people. To all the angry men with guns in the region I ask, " please hurry up and grow up". In fact, I would also hope the American Congress follows that advice and works on regional peace in a less political fashion.

Jan 11, 2007 11:04 pm

"At that time, Lebanon was being victimized by sectarian violence."

Unfortunately, they still are. We can thank Iran for that.

Peace to all...

Jan 12, 2007 2:24 pm

Obvious Larry KLein is more snake oil salesman than anything.  Unfortunately a lot of advisors believed the hype.  There is nothing to do but lick our wounds, learn the lesson, don’t fall for it again, and move on.  We can be ready to discredit if he resurfaces otherwise rehashing it only deepens our pain if we are victims.

Jan 12, 2007 3:25 pm

The goal is not rehashing the goal is to do something to have Klein held responsible to discourage others from victimizing advisors and the public. Licking our wounds and hiding away makes us part of his (and others') future scams.

The question is what is the best way to "report" him and make his actions widely known. Any ideas? I think the audience for these forums is limited- it would be great to more widely spread the news.

Jan 12, 2007 4:49 pm

Putting Javelin out of business would help.

Peace to all...

Jan 13, 2007 4:29 pm

Not affiliated with Larry. But why would Larry pick Javelin Marketing as the name for his new company? The company listed above has been around a while and when you google, they come up first.

Peace to all...except the idiot Larry.

Jan 13, 2007 8:45 pm


   And your point is....?

   I was truly hoping this could be a forum for discussing ways to more broadly expose Klein's tactics/lies, but I guess not.

Jan 15, 2007 1:55 pm



   And your point is....?

   I was truly hoping this could be a forum for discussing ways to more broadly expose Klein's tactics/lies, but I guess not.


Talking about him does indeed expose his tactics and lies.

Peace to all of you as Iran and Latin America move closer...not good news.

Jan 15, 2007 2:24 pm

Interesting post from another site:

Discussion:  Re: Defunct? Posted by anonymous on 01/04/2007

From, here is the script that all NF/Javelin employees were given to read when questions like yours came up:

"But didn’t you work there?

"Yes, I did. I was terminated and lucky that Javelin Marketing, a new company, offered me a position.

"Well who is there that can help me with (something from NF).

"NF Communications was dissolved. That company no longer exists. There are no employees or managers—that firm ceased all operations.

"Well who is this new Javelin Marketing?

"It’s a company that hired some of us and continues to provide services similar to what NF Communications provided. But it is not related to NF Communications and the owners are different.

"But who can I talk to about my booklets that I paid for?"

"NF Communications was DISSOLVED. That company no longer exists. There are no employees or managers—that firm ceased all operations. There is no one to talk to. There is nothing that you can do and nothing that I can tell you to do."

If they are insistent and just don’t get it, transfer them to extension 218.

"Tell them: I am going to transfer you to a recorded phone message that the managers left before they were terminated.
Jan 20, 2007 1:14 am

Hey, guys...  I can understand the frustration if you were one of the unfortunate people that got caught in the cross-hairs of NFCom's closing, but, to be fair, not all interaction with NFCom should be painted with the same brush.  I was one of the lucky ones that purchased materials quite some time ago and have been having quite a lot of success with them.  I am a NASD registered rep and have not had any trouble getting compliance to approve (with some minor changes) the presentations, etc...

Most of the people that I dealt with at NFCom were good-eggs and really tried to help (although, rumor has it that some of them got in "trouble" for helping me too much)...

If you got ripped off by NFCom (as an employee, customer or vendor), I am very sorry for you...  It is hard enough to be successful in this industry without someone sticking it to you.  However, maybe our time would be better spent posting specific questions about how to use the materials so that we can move forward instead of spending all of our time looking back...

Just a thought.

p.s. No, this is not a message from Larry, Bob (or whatever alias he's using these days)...

Jan 20, 2007 1:54 am

Relivin:     No one is saying that no one ever benefitted from Klein's materials. He may have been actually TRYING to play it straight early in his company's development. It dose seem clear that he got increasingly shady as time went on- selling questionable leads, shading the truth in sales pitches- and the circumstances of his closure is particularly dishonest. His own history as an avisor is also BAD.

His material may have some worth but his way of doing business is not-and the community should be aware of this. We should not support him.