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Jun 16, 2009 9:14 pm

I will thanks. This time is different. When I made a post about what to do with 200k at Dow 7000 you wouldn't even go full boat into equities. Didn't your "indicators" and "ratios" signal buy buy buy ?

Jun 16, 2009 10:18 pm
Ron 14:

How exactly have they lost money over the last 10 years ? If they were 40, were contributing each and every month into their 401k’s in a generic balanced asset allocation fund they are up a 1% or so and have accumulated a ton of shares. You can read economic indicators, PE ratios, unemployment and all the jazz until you are blue in the face, it wont change the fact that systematically making deposits and systematically making withdrawals, while keep clients in an allocation they can stomach is the only way to succeed over time. Most people won’t do that, won’t stick to a plan and that is where we come in. Not to read economic indicators and play bozo buckets with their funds.

  What's a bozo bucket?  Serious question, Ron.
Jun 16, 2009 10:46 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

I will thanks. This time is different. When I made a post about what to do with 200k at Dow 7000 you wouldn't even go full boat into equities. Didn't your "indicators" and "ratios" signal buy buy buy ?

[/quote]   Poor little Ron. 
Jun 16, 2009 11:16 pm

Bozo the Clown is a show I watched before school growing up. Basically Bozo the Clown would pick a kid out of the audience and they would get a ping pong ball and stand at the foot of six buckets. Each one you made you got a prize and the chance at the next bucket. A majority of kids would get 2 or 3, miss and go crying back to their parents in the seats. Very few would get the bicycle after the 6th bucket, the best prize of them all. It is kind of like market timers. They read all of these indicators, ratios, commentary etc. They may hit on a few, but in the long run they go running back to their parents crying.

Jun 17, 2009 12:11 am

[quote=Ron 14][quote=Gaddock][quote=Ron 14]

Well it isn't possible to make systematic withdrawals from options that haven't expired

[/quote]   ?????? AND ????????   You can't spend a dividend until it's paid so WTF is your point?   Not trying to convince you Ron.    [/quote]   My F'in point is that systematic withdrawals are something I use for clients in retirement. It isn't possible to make systematic withdrawals from options that haven't expired. And because I still don't agree with you after all of these discussions and you don't agree with me you play the tough guy routine. Like I said, let me know when you fly into Chicago, I will meet you at the airport.    [/quote]

Ron, I'm going to Milwaukee this summer for weekend (TBD) of Brewers Baseball.  I'll let you know when I'll be there.  We should meet half-way in Racine and have a chat...
Jun 17, 2009 12:15 am

I am in. It won't be hard to find the guy carrying around the Favre blow up doll.

Jun 17, 2009 12:16 am

[quote=BerkshireBull]

[quote=Ron 14][quote=Gaddock][quote=Ron 14]

Well it isn't possible to make systematic withdrawals from options that haven't expired

[/quote]   ?????? AND ????????   You can't spend a dividend until it's paid so WTF is your point?   Not trying to convince you Ron.    [/quote]   My F'in point is that systematic withdrawals are something I use for clients in retirement. It isn't possible to make systematic withdrawals from options that haven't expired. And because I still don't agree with you after all of these discussions and you don't agree with me you play the tough guy routine. Like I said, let me know when you fly into Chicago, I will meet you at the airport.    [/quote]

Ron, I'm going to Milwaukee this summer for weekend (TBD) of Brewers Baseball.  I'll let you know when I'll be there.  We should meet half-way in Racine and have a chat...
[/quote]

My wife just called me a dork for laughing out loud 3 times reading a RR forum post.  I need to get a life. Actually, judging by the number of people still posting I think a lot of us do.
Jun 17, 2009 12:27 am

Messing with Ron is serious business.

Here’s a photo of him sticking it to Jones after they crap-canned him

Jun 17, 2009 2:26 am

[quote=Ron 14]

I will thanks. This time is different. When I made a post about what to do with 200k at Dow 7000 you wouldn't even go full boat into equities. Didn't your "indicators" and "ratios" signal buy buy buy ?

[/quote]   Owned.   My 7 year-old has calmer tantrums than you.  A little red in the face, Ronnie?
Jun 17, 2009 2:29 am

[quote=Ron 14]

I will thanks. This time is different. When I made a post about what to do with 200k at Dow 7000 you wouldn't even go full boat into equities. Didn't your "indicators" and "ratios" signal buy buy buy ?

[/quote]   No they didn't.
Jun 17, 2009 12:36 pm

[quote=Ron 14]Bozo the Clown is a show I watched before school growing up. Basically Bozo the Clown would pick a kid out of the audience and they would get a ping pong ball and stand at the foot of six buckets. Each one you made you got a prize and the chance at the next bucket. A majority of kids would get 2 or 3, miss and go crying back to their parents in the seats. Very few would get the bicycle after the 6th bucket, the best prize of them all. It is kind of like market timers. They read all of these indicators, ratios, commentary etc. They may hit on a few, but in the long run they go running back to their parents crying. [/quote]

It was called “The Grand Prize Game.”

Jun 17, 2009 1:35 pm

Bingo. Thank you.

Jun 17, 2009 1:42 pm

[quote=Ron 14]Bingo. Thank you. [/quote]

You’re showing your age. When  I was little, it was on at noon.

Jun 17, 2009 1:55 pm

The show was on for about 50 yrs, but ok.

Jun 17, 2009 2:22 pm

Back to B24's original point. I just read the June 15 article in WSJ, Is This Bull Cyclical or Secular ? 4 different managers were talked to and they all had different thoughts. How the hell are we supposed to establish a valid market viewpoint ?

Jun 17, 2009 2:27 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

Back to B24’s original point. I just read the June 15 article in WSJ, Is This Bull Cyclical or Secular ? 4 different managers were talked to and they all had different thoughts. How the hell are we supposed to establish a valid market viewpoint ?

[/quote]


You work for a bank. You don’t get a viewpoint. THe market will go up, down, and sideways. Prepare for all possibilities.
Jun 17, 2009 2:52 pm

I know this and that is the side of the argument I am on. It seems as if I am in the minority. Most guys on here have a market viewpoint and are advising to it.

Jun 17, 2009 3:32 pm

[quote=Ron 14]I know this and that is the side of the argument I am on. It seems as if I am in the minority. Most guys on here have a market viewpoint and are advising to it. [/quote]


Most guys have been wrong for 9 years. Do you want to be like them?

Jun 17, 2009 3:47 pm

No

Jun 17, 2009 7:50 pm

Market neutrality; I don’t care what way it goes I get a desired effect. When somebody asks me where the market is going. I break out my magic eight ball, for real.

  The ONLY thing I know for certain is I have no clue where it's going.