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[quote=mikebutler222]
Well, we know from stories in the NY Times in the first 24 hours he was saying "OMG these clowns are screwing this up by the numbers. Can we simply take control from the Mayor of NO and the Gov of LA?".
Now, care to tell us why the Mayor and Gov screwed up so badly?
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Local officals deserve some blame but I believe that the newly created Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have jurisdiction over national disasters and coordination of multi-state efforts (Louisiana and Mississippi).
So...tell me why Mr. Bush...his "department of homeland security"...his croonies...and his appointees failed miserably across mulitple channels, multiple jurisdications in which they had domain, and multiple states.
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Well, we know from stories in the NY Times in the first 24 hours he was saying "OMG these clowns are screwing this up by the numbers. Can we simply take control from the Mayor of NO and the Gov of LA?".
Now, care to tell us why the Mayor and Gov screwed up so badly?
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Local officals deserve some blame but I believe that the newly created Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have jurisdiction over national disasters and coordination of multi-state efforts (Louisiana and Mississippi).
So...tell me why Mr. Bush...his "department of homeland security"...his croonies...and his appointees failed miserably across mulitple channels, multiple jurisdications in which they had domain, and multiple states.
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That's a nice try at dodging the issue, but the fact is the worst things we all saw on TV in the very early stages, people without food or water, people being abused by lawless thugs, people stranded, were all the responsibility of the local and state officials during that period of time when they know the Feds can't be expected to be on the ground. Had they (the locals) not made such a complete and total mess of it any glitches in the Federal response would have been unimportant. The Feds don’t have IMMEDIATE jurisdiction.
I don't know about you, but I've been unlucky enough to be caught in hurricane evacuations and the aftermath (I was lucky enough to not have to weather the storm) and I can tell you from personal experience that the Feds aren’t supposed to be on the ground for the first 72 hours.
Is it common sense to activate about 500 guard troops? If they were their by Wednesday (blanco requested help after this day) it may have helped?
Also is it common sense to provide food and water at your shelters?
In 2004 (New Orleans) there was a large cat 5 exercise with local, federal and state leaders. They expected 100k to stay in city. This happened and for the first few days the city and state leadership failed extremly bad.
[quote=mikebutler222]
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Well, we know from stories in the NY Times in the first 24 hours he was saying "OMG these clowns are screwing this up by the numbers. Can we simply take control from the Mayor of NO and the Gov of LA?".
Now, care to tell us why the Mayor and Gov screwed up so badly?
[/quote]
Local officals deserve some blame but I believe that the newly created Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have jurisdiction over national disasters and coordination of multi-state efforts (Louisiana and Mississippi).
So...tell me why Mr. Bush...his "department of homeland security"...his croonies...and his appointees failed miserably across mulitple channels, multiple jurisdications in which they had domain, and multiple states.
[/quote]
That's a nice try at dodging the issue, but the fact is the worst things we all saw on TV in the very early stages, people without food or water, people being abused by lawless thugs, people stranded, were all the responsibility of the local and state officials during that period of time when they know the Feds can't be expected to be on the ground. Had they (the locals) not made such a complete and total mess of it any glitches in the Federal response would have been unimportant. The Feds don’t have IMMEDIATE jurisdiction.
I don't know about you, but I've been unlucky enough to be caught in hurricane evacuations and the aftermath (I was lucky enough to not have to weather the storm) and I can tell you from personal experience that the Feds aren’t supposed to be on the ground for the first 72 hours.
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Wrong again.
At the point at which President Bush declared Katrina a Federal disaster (before the hurricane even struck land) he made himself the person in charge.
Check out the FEMA site...August 29th...
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478
Game...
Set...
Match...
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Well, we know from stories in the NY Times in the first 24 hours he was saying "OMG these clowns are screwing this up by the numbers. Can we simply take control from the Mayor of NO and the Gov of LA?".
Now, care to tell us why the Mayor and Gov screwed up so badly?
[/quote]
Local officals deserve some blame but I believe that the newly created Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have jurisdiction over national disasters and coordination of multi-state efforts (Louisiana and Mississippi).
So...tell me why Mr. Bush...his "department of homeland security"...his croonies...and his appointees failed miserably across mulitple channels, multiple jurisdications in which they had domain, and multiple states.
[/quote]
That's a nice try at dodging the issue, but the fact is the worst things we all saw on TV in the very early stages, people without food or water, people being abused by lawless thugs, people stranded, were all the responsibility of the local and state officials during that period of time when they know the Feds can't be expected to be on the ground. Had they (the locals) not made such a complete and total mess of it any glitches in the Federal response would have been unimportant. The Feds don’t have IMMEDIATE jurisdiction.
I don't know about you, but I've been unlucky enough to be caught in hurricane evacuations and the aftermath (I was lucky enough to not have to weather the storm) and I can tell you from personal experience that the Feds aren’t supposed to be on the ground for the first 72 hours.
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Wrong again.
At the point at which President Bush declared Katrina a Federal disaster (before the hurricane even struck land) he made himself the person in charge.
Check out the FEMA site...August 29th...
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478
Game...
Set...
Match...
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Amazing. The fool posts the SAME ERROR ON THREE THREADS. Read the link, Sonny, it ONLY refers to FEDERAL FUNDING ASSISTANCE for the loacl efforts. It does NOT say the Feds are in charge. In fact, the Feds don't even have the LEGAL RIGHT to assume responsibility until ASKED FOR by the locals.
What a wackjob
[quote=mikebutler222]
Amazing. The fool posts the SAME ERROR ON THREE THREADS. Read the link, Sonny, it ONLY refers to FEDERAL FUNDING ASSISTANCE for the loacl efforts. It does NOT say the Feds are in charge. In fact, the Feds don't even have the LEGAL RIGHT to assume responsibility until ASKED FOR by the locals.
What a wackjob
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Not a mistake, Mike. You're just that stupid.
The Feds ARE IN CHARGE of a "federal emergency" (declared 8/27) and a "federal disaster" (declared 8/29).
Are you too stupid to realize that local officials do not have jurisdiction over federal officials? The feds took control and Bush was the point man as of 8/29. All failures are a direct result of his poor leadership. The locals simply assist the feds.
Any questions?
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]
Amazing. The fool posts the SAME ERROR ON THREE THREADS. Read the link, Sonny, it ONLY refers to FEDERAL FUNDING ASSISTANCE for the loacl efforts. It does NOT say the Feds are in charge. In fact, the Feds don't even have the LEGAL RIGHT to assume responsibility until ASKED FOR by the locals.
What a wackjob
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Not a mistake, Mike. You're just that stupid.
The Feds ARE IN CHARGE of a "federal emergency" (declared 8/27) and a "federal disaster" (declared 8/29).
Are you too stupid to realize that local officials do not have jurisdiction over federal officials? The feds took control and Bush was the point man as of 8/29. All failures are a direct result of his poor leadership. The locals simply assist the feds.
Any questions?
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I've corrected you on the other two threads where you made the same error. Look there for the corrections, but here's a hint; remember your 5th grade civics classes and the FEDERAL system of government we have ....
[quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]
Amazing. The fool posts the SAME ERROR ON THREE THREADS. Read the link, Sonny, it ONLY refers to FEDERAL FUNDING ASSISTANCE for the loacl efforts. It does NOT say the Feds are in charge. In fact, the Feds don't even have the LEGAL RIGHT to assume responsibility until ASKED FOR by the locals.
What a wackjob
[/quote]
Not a mistake, Mike. You're just that stupid.
The Feds ARE IN CHARGE of a "federal emergency" (declared 8/27) and a "federal disaster" (declared 8/29).
Are you too stupid to realize that local officials do not have jurisdiction over federal officials? The feds took control and Bush was the point man as of 8/29. All failures are a direct result of his poor leadership. The locals simply assist the feds.
Any questions?
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I've corrected you on the other two threads where you made the same error. Look there for the corrections, but here's a hint; remember your 5th grade civics classes and the FEDERAL system of government we have ....
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For you Mike:
BLAME THE FEDS, NOT THE STATE
1. Jurisdiction: FEMA has the statutory authority under Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, PL 100-707, signed into law on November 23, 1988 to coordinate the federal response to "national emergencies". Katrina constitutes a "national emergency" for a variety of reasons including the size, scope, and economic impact of the hurricane. In that situation, FEMA has jurisdiction to coordinate the emergency response. Unfortunately, the process of folding FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security has emasculated the Agency to the point that it's almost impossible for it to perform its mission, as we all saw so graphically.
2. Spinning Legal Hurdles: The Bush administration has claimed (as reported by the Washington Post and Newsweek) that Louisiana never requested federal assistance which is why the response took so long. Aside from the fact that the FedGov doesn't actually need a request to offer assistance and perhaps even to provide it in crisis situations (I don't know the law on that one), the Bush claim is factually inaccurate. The Bush admin's claim that the Governor of Louisiana's reluctance to declare a State of Emergency and request Federal help which explains the slow response is frustrated to the point of total collapse by the simple fact that Governor Blanco declared a State of Emergency and requested Federal assistance before Katrina struck in this letter that she sent to Bush on August 28 (who happened not to get it because he was on vacation, again). I'm sure the Washington Post "correction" issued the following day stung just a bit.
3. This is what happens when you de-fund disaster preparedness measures: This is an easy point to make because there's plenty of documentation. Instead of belaboring it, I'll sum up the basics. Louisiana, and New Orleans in particular, have continually requested Federal Pre-Disaster Mitigation funds. Prior to this administration, they usually got them. That's why they had a levee system that could withstand Category 3 storms. But, the funds targeted for the region were gutted because it wasn't deemed a significant risk by the money people. The Chicago Tribune has more. As does the Clarion-Ledger (2002). Readers of those articles will notice that a Republican who was appointed as Assistant Secretary of the Army was sacked by Bush for speaking out against for the budget cuts that left New Orleans defenseless. And just for fun, here's one about how Bush gutted FEMA creating a bureaucratic nightmare leaving America defenseless. (The Chicago Tribune one is probably the best for those with limited time.)
Of course, major hurricanes were a significant risk and everyone knew about it, including FEMA who specifically game planned for this possibility. Readers of the National Geographic article will notice the lengthy debate about this whole issue that I prefer not to go into.
4. How, exactly, is a 1500 person police force supposed to forcibly evacuate 20,000 people that either refused to flee New Orleans or were unable to flee? Don't blame the city. They got the vast majority of people out. No matter how tragic the story, they did what they could.
Here's the bottom line: Long before this disaster ever crept into the equation, the Federal Government abandoned New Orleans with a minimum amount of protection from severe storms because they judged that a Category 5 Storm was unlikely and too expensive to justify. Later, when the doomsday scenario unfolded, our Federal Government was asleep on a couch somewhere in Texas. The response trickled out of Washington, people suffered and died, and the ruling political party circled the wagons and blamed everyone else for a situation that they contributed to. That's not just negligence, it's gross incompetence.
In 2001 people seemed willing to forgive Prez Bush for listening to that story about the goat (probably because it was so fascinating) because 9/11 was so shocking, it unfolded with no warning, and people seemed willing to believe that the President would be effected by it just like we all were. However, in 2005, there were only about 14 days of warning, no preparation from the FedGov (or even pre-positioning of troops, ships, supplies, etc), and a bureaucratic nightmare that could have been avoided had FEMA been run properly and kept separate as an independent organization.
I'll end this little rant with a poignant thought from my brother-in-law: What if this had been a terrorist attack?
Take your ass beating like a man, Mike:
§ 5170a. GENERAL FEDERAL ASSISTANCE {Sec. 402}
In any major disaster, the President may--
direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities and the resources granted to it under Federal law (including personnel, equipment, supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical, and advisory services) in support of State and local assistance efforts;coordinate all disaster relief assistance (including voluntary assistance) provided by Federal agencies, private organizations, and State and local governments;
provide technical and advisory assistance to affected State and local governments for-- the performance of essential community services; issuance of warnings of risks and hazards; public health and safety information, including dissemination of such information; provision of health and safety measures; and management, control, and reduction of immediate threats to public health and safety; and
assist State and local governments in the distribution of medicine, food, and other consumable supplies, and emergency assistance.
(Pub. L. 93-288, title IV, § 402, as added Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 106(a)(3), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4696.)
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§5122. DEFINITIONS {Sec. 102}
As used in this chapter--
EMERGENCY. "Emergency" means any occasion or instance for which, in the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.MAJOR DISASTER. "Major disaster" means any natural catastrophe (including any hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, winddriven water, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, or drought), or, regardless of cause, any fire, flood, or explosion, in any part of the United States, which in the determination of the President causes damage of sufficient severity and magnitude to warrant major disaster assistance under this Act to supplement the efforts and available resources of States, local governments, and disaster relief organizations in alleviating the damage, loss, hardship, or suffering caused thereby.
"United States" means the fifty States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
"State" means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
"Governor" means the chief executive of any State.
Local government.--The term ‘local government' means- a county, municipality, city, town, township, public authority, school district, special district, intrastate district, council of governments (regardless of whether the council of governments is incorporated as a nonprofit corporation under State law), regional or interstate government entity, or agency or instrumentality of a local government; an Indian tribe or authorized tribal organization, or Alaska Native village or organization; and a rural community, unincorporated town or village, or other public entity, for which an application for assistance is made by a State or political subdivision of a State.
"Federal agency" means any department, independent establishment, Government corporation, or other agency of the executive branch of the Federal Government, including the United States Postal Service, but shall not include the American National Red Cross.
PUBLIC FACILITY. "Public facility" means the following facilities owned by a State or local government: Any flood control, navigation, irrigation, reclamation, public power, sewage treatment and collection, water supply and distribution, watershed development, or airport facility. Any non-Federal-aid street, road, or highway. Any other public building, structure, or system, including those used for educational, recreational, or cultural purposes. Any park.
PRIVATE NONPROFIT FACILITY. "Private nonprofit facility" means private nonprofit educational, utility, irrigation, emergency, medical, rehabilitational, and temporary or permanent custodial care facilities (including those for the aged and disabled), other private nonprofit facilities which provide essential services of a governmental nature to the general public, and facilities on Indian reservations as defined by the President.
(Pub. L. 93-288, title I, § 102, May 22, 1974, 88 Stat. 144; Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 103(b)-(d), (f), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4689, 4690.) (As amended Feb. 24, 1992, Pub. L. 102-247, title II, § 205, 106 Stat. 38.)
(Pub. L. 106-390, § 302, October 30, 2000, 114 Stat. 1572)
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§ 5132. DISASTER WARNINGS {Sec. 202}
Readiness of Federal agencies to issue warnings to state and local officialsThe President shall insure that all appropriate Federal agencies are prepared to issue warnings of disasters to State and local officials.
Technical assistance to State and local governments for effective warnings
The President shall direct appropriate Federal agencies to provide technical assistance to State and local governments to insure that timely and effective disaster warning is provided.
Warnings to governmental authorities and public endangered by disaster
The President is authorized to utilize or to make available to Federal, State, and local agencies the facilities of the civil defense communications system established and maintained pursuant to section 201(c) of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended (50 U.S.C. App 2281(c)), section 611(c) of this Act, or any other Federal communications system for the purpose of providing warning to governmental authorities and the civilian population in areas endangered by disasters. [§ 3412(b), Pub. L. 103-337, Oct. 5, 1994] [Reference to § 611(c) is incorrect; probably should be § 611(d). Technical correction needed]
Agreements with commercial communications systems for use of facilities
The President is authorized to enter into agreements with the officers or agents of any private or commercial communications systems who volunteer the use of their systems on a reimbursable or nonreimbursable basis for the purpose of providing warning to governmental authorities and the civilian population endangered by disasters.
(Pub. L. 93-288, title II, § 202, May 22, 1974, 88 Stat. 145.)
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§ 5143. COORDINATING OFFICERS {Sec. 302}
Appointment of Federal coordinating officerImmediately upon his declaration of a major disaster or emergency, the President shall appoint a Federal coordinating officer to operate in the affected area.
Functions of Federal coordinating officer
In order to effectuate the purposes of this Act, the Federal coordinating officer, within the affected area, shall--
make an initial appraisal of the types of relief most urgently needed; establish such field offices as he deems necessary and as are authorized by the President; coordinate the administration of relief, including activities of the State and local governments, the American National Red Cross, the Salvation Army, the Mennonite Disaster Service, and other relief or disaster assistance organizations, which agree to operate under his advice or direction, except that nothing contained in this Act shall limit or in any way affect the responsibilities of the American National Red Cross under the Act of January 5, 1905, as amended (33 Stat. 599) [36 U.S.C. §§ 1 et seq.]; and; take such other action, consistent with authority delegated to him by the President, and consistent with the provisions of this Act, as he may deem necessary to assist local citizens and public officials in promptly obtaining assistance to which they are entitled.; State coordinating officer When the President determines assistance under this Act is necessary, he shall request that the Governor of the affected State designate a State coordinating officer for the purpose of coordinating State and local disaster assistance efforts with those of the Federal Government.
(Pub. L. 93-288, title III, § 302, formerly § 303, May 22, 1974, 88 Stat. 147; renumbered § 302 and amended Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 105(b), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4691.)
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You know, Mike. It seems to me that the President was in control from the time he declared a federal emergency on 8/27.
But then a GOP supporter would simply ignore the federal government's declarations in these FEMA documents...right?
Looks like the coordinating officer should have been in charge...right?
mikebutler222
was sniper??
222 that was a wildcat for a long time ....who was your spotter? or did you learn to roll off and come back on?
the heat always caused a problem no?
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]
Amazing. The fool posts the SAME ERROR ON THREE THREADS. Read the link, Sonny, it ONLY refers to FEDERAL FUNDING ASSISTANCE for the loacl efforts. It does NOT say the Feds are in charge. In fact, the Feds don't even have the LEGAL RIGHT to assume responsibility until ASKED FOR by the locals.
What a wackjob
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Not a mistake, Mike. You're just that stupid.
The Feds ARE IN CHARGE of a "federal emergency" (declared 8/27) and a "federal disaster" (declared 8/29).
Are you too stupid to realize that local officials do not have jurisdiction over federal officials? The feds took control and Bush was the point man as of 8/29. All failures are a direct result of his poor leadership. The locals simply assist the feds.
Any questions?
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I've corrected you on the other two threads where you made the same error. Look there for the corrections, but here's a hint; remember your 5th grade civics classes and the FEDERAL system of government we have ....
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For you Mike:
BLAME THE FEDS, NOT THE STATE[/quote]
Nifty bit of cut and paste from a website, but it doesn't change the facts. The Feds do not have the legal authority to march into a community and assume control of state and local functions.
BTW, how about limiting you fiction on this subject to a single thread.
[quote=mikebutler222]
Nifty bit of cut and paste from a website, but it doesn't change the facts. The Feds do not have the legal authority to march into a community and assume control of state and local functions.
BTW, how about limiting you fiction on this subject to a single thread.
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Wrong again Mike.
In a federally declared disaster (or emergency) the feds have control.
[quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]
Nifty bit of cut and paste from a website, but it doesn't change the facts. The Feds do not have the legal authority to march into a community and assume control of state and local functions.
BTW, how about limiting you fiction on this subject to a single thread.
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Wrong again Mike.
In a federally declared disaster (or emergency) the feds have control.
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I corrected you on the other thread, see details there. Also;
SUBCHAPTER IV--MAJOR DISASTER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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§ 5170. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 401}
All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the disaster is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary. As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan. The Governor shall furnish information on the nature and amount of State and local resources which have been or will be committed to alleviating the results of the disaster, and shall certify that, for the current disaster, State and local government obligations and expenditures (of which State commitments must be a significant proportion) will comply with all applicable cost-sharing requirements of this Act. Based on the request of a Governor under this section, the President may declare under this Act that a major disaster or emergency exists.
(Pub. L. 93-288, title IV, § 401, as added Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 106(a)(3), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4696.)
[quote=mikebutler222][quote=menotellname][quote=mikebutler222]
Nifty bit of cut and paste from a website, but it doesn't change the facts. The Feds do not have the legal authority to march into a community and assume control of state and local functions.
BTW, how about limiting you fiction on this subject to a single thread.
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Wrong again Mike.
In a federally declared disaster (or emergency) the feds have control.
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I corrected you on the other thread, see details there. Also;
SUBCHAPTER IV--MAJOR DISASTER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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§ 5170. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 401}
All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the disaster is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary. As part of such request, and as a prerequisite to major disaster assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate response action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan. The Governor shall furnish information on the nature and amount of State and local resources which have been or will be committed to alleviating the results of the disaster, and shall certify that, for the current disaster, State and local government obligations and expenditures (of which State commitments must be a significant proportion) will comply with all applicable cost-sharing requirements of this Act. Based on the request of a Governor under this section, the President may declare under this Act that a major disaster or emergency exists.
(Pub. L. 93-288, title IV, § 401, as added Pub. L. 100-707, title I, § 106(a)(3), Nov. 23, 1988, 102 Stat. 4696.)
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Here Mike...take a look...
The entire National Response Plan...all 426 pages:
http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf
I like Section III, Roles and Responsibilities, under the heading Federal Government. Under the subsections; Department of Homeland Security, Secretary of Homeland Security...item 4.
Which clearly states:
"Pursuant to HSPD-5, the Secretary of Homeland Security is responsible for coordinating Federal operations within the United States to prepare for, respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks, major disasters, and other emergencies. HSPD-5 further designates the Secretary of Homeland Security as the "principal Federal official" for domestic incident management.
In this role, the Secretary is also responsible for coordinating Federal resources utilized in response to or recovery from terrorist attacks, major disasters, or other emergencies if and when any of the following four conditions applies:
(1) a Federal department or agency acting under its own authority has requested DHS assistance;
(2) the resources of State and local authorities are overwhelmed and Federal assistance is requested;
(3) more than one Federal department or agency has become substantially involved in responding to the incident; or
(4) the Secretary has been directed to assume incident management responsibilities by the President."
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You are Starka keep harping on #2. Keep in mind that the exact verbage states "or" (see number 3) not "and".
Also, #4 applied from 8/29 at the absolute lastest when the President declared a Federal disaster and sent in Mike Brown.
Any questions?
Mike, I am sure that you will post some useless diatribe after reading page 8...
*sighs*
Even if the feds were in control.. When in our history did they just march in and take over??
9-11 the mayor and local government took control?
Hurricane IVAN FEMA was here the third day after.. The state took care of their own..
100 of thousands of acers on fire in the west.. State was in control... I guess National guard units assist..
Was there ever a time when the fed just took over with the military?
Yes. Detroit, 1968. President Johnson sent in the 82nd Airborne to quell the riots. If memory serves, the justification given was that it was to quell an insurrection.
Ohh yeah some prierus comunitdeting (what ever).. Yeah I read that today and it was for more or less a riot.
Amazing thing is I was in the airport last week and this nice guy about 75 was talking. He said he loved the Salvation Army since they were there during the 68 Detroit riot. He went on how it started ... I better not bring it up... since some people will freak out if I use anything close to a minorit. word.
So for the most part oney when there is a riot, but nothing else.