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2. The office where I made calls wasn’t illegal. If you’re going to accuse me of a crime, make sure you know the rules first.
Explain how it wasn’t illegal. Just curious.
[quote=franklin21]2. The office where I made calls wasn’t illegal. If you’re going to accuse me of a crime, make sure you know the rules first.
Explain how it wasn’t illegal. Just curious.
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I’m curious as well. An unregistered office used to conduct business. Hmmm
I understand your point. My assertion comes down to whether this was another “Office used to conduct business”. I believe, if the SEC looks at my production, they won’t believe I conducted business at any office!!!
But seriously, I am saying it was legal because:
1. I NEVER met with clients at this location.
2. I ONLY made phone calls from a (cell) phone which was registered to me at my primary address.
Now, I realize the SEC can find me guilty any time they want, but I still believe this was no different than making calls from my car or from a wholesaler’s office. The phone number I used had an address at my registered office (hmmm…maybe I used an illegal phone).
If there is anyone here who has experience in compliance, works for the SEC or who has worked in securities law, I would love to hear an expert opinion about this. You bozos who are quoting Jones compliance, can stop wasting space.
[quote=anonymous]…Google and then read, “The Common Denominator of Success” by Albert E.N. Gray [/quote]
“The common denominator of success — the secret of success of every man who has ever
been successful — lies in the fact that he formed the habit of doing things that failures
don’t like to do.”
Reminds me of W. Clement Stone’s “The success system that never fails”…which I’ve read. I don’t know much about Gray, but I know WC Stone (who built what is now AON insurance) had a similar approach. They are both from the 40’s and probably used each other’s work.
The main reason I would be skeptical of this is it was written by someone who is trying to inspire agents to do more work, not by someone who is trying to get people to develop the best quality of life and happyness.
W.Clement Stone’s chapter on “Overcoming Timidity and Fear” is quite funny…it’s free online if you have the time…
Look anonymous, my friend, this guy has read a book. Within it's covers are the secrets to winning at this game. It helps you develop the best quality of life and happiness. Here is what it tells you to do: * Don't do the work, fail, blame the company you worked for, think you can then go part time knowing nothing, and burn through your savings while you do it. A MUST READ Still ... you are a piker with the reading comprehension of a third grader. Go re-read the article. He is not trying to get people to work harder .. he is simply telling them if they want to win they better be doing the work that is uncomfortable. Not work harder. Not work longer. Door knocking is not hard work. Cold calling is not hard work. It's simply uncomfotable. No wonder your a failure - oh, and I'll take fries with that. Thanks.[quote=anonymous]…Google and then read, “The Common Denominator of Success” by Albert E.N. Gray [/quote]
“The common denominator of success — the secret of success of every man who has ever
been successful — lies in the fact that he formed the habit of doing things that failures
don’t like to do.”
Reminds me of W. Clement Stone’s “The success system that never fails”…which I’ve read. I don’t know much about Gray, but I know WC Stone (who built what is now AON insurance) had a similar approach. They are both from the 40’s and probably used each other’s work.
The main reason I would be skeptical of this is it was written by someone who is trying to inspire agents to do more work, not by someone who is trying to get people to develop the best quality of life and happyness.
W.Clement Stone’s chapter on “Overcoming Timidity and Fear” is quite funny…it’s free online if you have the time…
So, with all of the Still bashing, do you guys still think Jones has these high standards (harder to get into than Harvard)?
What the he!! is everyone’s problem? STILL comes on here, is honest about his mistakes, wants to make it work. Give the guy an f’n break.
What the he!! is everyone’s problem? STILL comes on here, is honest about his mistakes, wants to make it work. Give the guy an f’n break.
I agree. I think there is a little fear from some of the new guys. You don't like to see other people fail.
I wasted a couple hours of my life trying to argue for Still. Won't work. I think I should just stay off of the Rookie board. Although most of the funny stuff is on this thread.
I think people where helpful and realistic with Still until he starting blaming his falure on Jones, giving sales advice, and saying he wanted to build a book of 1mm clients from his car between drives. By the way, he is an honest liar ... hmmm Why don't you vets be realistic with the guy and his less than 5% chance rather than telling him to go for it. Terrible advice in my opinion.What the he!! is everyone’s problem? STILL comes on here, is honest about his mistakes, wants to make it work. Give the guy an f’n break.
what can you say…there’s a few guys here who are armed with an associates degree from the local junior college, 6 months at jones and a few DCA accounts and Jones has them believing, for the first time in their lives, they are the kings of the world!!!
suckers!
at least, if Jones doesn’t work out, they can finish up college at Harvard!
Tell us again, Still, the break down of your activity at Jones. How many accounts. How many were sold to strangers, friends, etc. etc. in your 17 weeks.
You failed. Be a man and say it was me, not Jones. Take ownership. Those guys with associates degrees will end up making more than you ever will. Why bash their education level? Sales managers love guys like that for a reason .. I won't go into details because someone like you will never understand.I’m curious about the advice some of you guys are giving this tool. There’s less than a 10% chance that someone is going to make it in this career. This guy already failed in extravagant fashion at a place w/little to no minimum standards. Now he comes on saying that he failed because his “niche” is business owners w/$1,000,000-$10,000,000 movable assets, not little guys w/small DCA’s and small rollovers. He chose not to take on accounts that weren’t up to HIS standards, then acts surprised when he gets fired for having a handful of accounts after several months. And some of you are encouraging him in his voyage to bankrupt himself by going independent or whatever and incurring all expenses that come with that, all while knowing what we already know about the guy? What happened to “If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, by golly it must be a duck”? Why enable him to continue having visions of grandeur while knowing what we already know? Even Moraen admitted the probability of him failing miserably a 2nd time…and then support him in the quest. If we want to wish him good luck then wish him well w/the career he once had “making six figures”.
[quote=voltmoie]Tell us again, Still, the break down of your activity at Jones. How many accounts. How many were sold to strangers, friends, etc. etc. in your 17 weeks.
You failed. Be a man and say it was me, not Jones. Take ownership. Those guys with associates degrees will end up making more than you ever will. Why bash their education level? Sales managers love guys like that for a reason .. I won't go into details because someone like you will never understand.[/quote]Actually, I meant that as a joke about your age, not education.
Oh, and congratulations on your AA degree,
lots of successful people got their start at a junior college!
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[quote=voltmoie]Tell us again, Still, the break down of your activity at Jones. How many accounts. How many were sold to strangers, friends, etc. etc. in your 17 weeks.
You failed. Be a man and say it was me, not Jones. Take ownership. Those guys with associates degrees will end up making more than you ever will. Why bash their education level? Sales managers love guys like that for a reason … I won’t go into details because someone like you will never understand.[/quote]Actually, I meant that as a joke about your age, not education. Oh, and congratulations on your AA degree, lots of successful people got their start at a junior college![/quote]
Still - I’d be careful how I post. There are a lot of successful people who never even completed college. Quite a few actually.
If I were you, I’d concentrate on getting your new biz up and running, not trying to make fun of volt - who by the way, from what I can tell, made PDP quite easily.
Anyway, as for what 3rd said - yes I think he has an extremely low chance of success. But, I also think there are multiple ways to skin the cat. If he can be creative and innovative, he can make SOMETHING work. My guess is that it won’t be traditional advisory services, IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL>
Still...Seriously. I'm a pretty positive person, but i got nothing when it comes to your situation. I'll be honest and direct. You need to find another career. There are a few lucky people in this business. who know someone and get handed some assets or whatever, but most people make their own luck. They make their own success. They doorknock in the rain, snow. They cold call during the holidays. They go to event after event just hoping to run into someone with an account, write down phone numbers of business owners going through the drive through of a resteraunt (Awesome). Jones, MSSB, ML...I don't give a crap where it is. If you don't have the drive and will to succeed at any 1 of those firms, then you won't anywhere else. Especially half-assing it doing it part time. Jones is probably the easiest firm to start out in this business. Not only do they give you ample time to screw up before actually selling, but they give you a ton of slack when your performance is down, as long as you are working. You were fired, because you didn't work. You know it, I know it, and anyone who has ever worked for or understands Jones policies knows it. Getting fired from Jones, is nothing I would want on my permenant record.
“The common denominator of success — the secret of success of every man who has ever
been successful — lies in the fact that he formed the habit of doing things that failures
don’t like to do.”
Go ahead and be skeptical, but read it anyway. It will only take 5-10 minutes. It's not about working more. It is about trying to get people to develp the best quality of life by focusing on pleasing results and not pleasing methods.[quote=anonymous]…Google and then read, “The Common Denominator of Success” by Albert E.N. Gray [/quote]
“The common denominator of success — the secret of success of every man who has ever
been successful — lies in the fact that he formed the habit of doing things that failures
don’t like to do.”
Reminds me of W. Clement Stone’s “The success system that never fails”…which I’ve read. I don’t know much about Gray, but I know WC Stone (who built what is now AON insurance) had a similar approach. They are both from the 40’s and probably used each other’s work.
The main reason I would be skeptical of this is it was written by someone who is trying to inspire agents to do more work, not by someone who is trying to get people to develop the best quality of life and happyness.
W.Clement Stone’s chapter on “Overcoming Timidity and Fear” is quite funny…it’s free online if you have the time…
[quote=Moraen] Still - I’d be careful how I post. There are a lot of successful people who never even completed college. Quite a few actually.
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I should…especially in a forum where I’m only known for what I write.
It’s easy to give the wrong impression of who I am.
I’m beginning to think it’s time for me to stop talking about my plans and start acting…
I think from now on, I’ll just come to this forum to dole out sales advice to newbies!!!
Umm, probably a good idea, kitten.I’m beginning to think it’s time for me to stop talking about my plans and start acting…
I think from now on, I’ll just come to this forum to dole out sales advice to newbies!!!
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Still - I'd be careful how I post. There are a lot of successful people who never even completed college. Quite a few actually.
If I were you, I'd concentrate on getting your new biz up and running, not trying to make fun of volt - who by the way, from what I can tell, made PDP quite easily.
Anyway, as for what 3rd said - yes I think he has an extremely low chance of success. But, I also think there are multiple ways to skin the cat. If he can be creative and innovative, he can make SOMETHING work. My guess is that it won't be traditional advisory services, IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL>
[/quote] PDP - Qualifications met in week 6. Sold and opened more accouts in Eval/Grad than Still did in 17 weeks. Education - Irrelevent to the work at hand so no point talking about it. My degree is framed and comes in a nice dark blue color. It also sits in a box in the garage - my parents are still pissed they spent so much for it to be in a box. Again, education is irrelevent. Smartest person I ever met was a farmer .. damn guy had the quickest wit and absolute best insight into life of anyone I'd ever met. College for two years, dad died, he came back to take over the farm. Of course my old boss from Dartmouth made better excel spreadsheets. Still ... get a job
Are you living up to the old adage: Those who can do, those who can't teach?[quote=Moraen] Still - I’d be careful how I post. There are a lot of successful people who never even completed college. Quite a few actually.
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I should…especially in a forum where I’m only known for what I write.
It’s easy to give the wrong impression of who I am.
I’m beginning to think it’s time for me to stop talking about my plans and start acting…
I think from now on, I’ll just come to this forum to dole out sales advice to newbies!!!