You’re right, I couldn’t cut it using the Jones recipe; and the truth is, I really didn’t like the Jones recipe… But, I really like this industry and I believe it is a great fit for me. I just need to find my best way to get started.

I once met a psychiatrist who started out as a part-time FA. He just started seeing less patients and all his clients/prospects were other psychiatrists. He didn’t focus on the next “money-due” but, instead, became an expert in strategies for running a psychiatrist office like a business. I’m not a psychiatrist, but I think a similar strategy could work for me.

I want to focus on a small market (about 100-300 small businesses). I think it will be a much, much longer sales cycle, but I believe I can be the best FA for businesses this market.

…and, I would like to withdraw my American Funds comment…you can sell any quality investments you want at Edward Jones.

Still@Jones, another thing you will want to be aware of with these insurance companies is that they will want to recruit you as a career agent/advisor.  If you’re going to do this part time that is not the path you want to go, there will be minimums and meetings and a manager assigned to you, this probably won’t work if you do it part-time.  What you want from them is a broker contract where you have a license to sell their products.  Now keep in mind they don’t get paid anything for recruiting a broker where there’s big money in a career agent/advisor but you need to explain your situation and tell them that if you can get off the ground and come back full time you will then sign a career contract and you will be producing at a higher level than you would by signing a career contract now.

[quote=Otane] [quote=iceco1d] I’m just curious, but how many of you that say “this business can’t be done part time” are speaking with ANY experience at all on the subject? A single one of you? I doubt it.Granted, “part time” doesn’t mean you only work 10 - 2, M - F. You have to be available almost whenever, wherever. But to getting a side job and easing your way into the biz is doable. There are people at my firm, heck, at my office, that do this part time.Some are retired. Some do this on the side. Some are easing their way into the biz. It’s doable - but you need to have a b/d that is “on board” with it - and none of the “big firms” are (the employee model firms, anyway). So, if you don’t have experience, please don’t extrapolate facts from your own experience in the biz. It is indeed possible, and to say otherwise is misleading. [/quote] This and any business can be done part-time. I already run several businesses profitably and know it can be done. The problem with working for a wirehouse, or what have you, is that there are minimums and pressures to produce. I am sure that once you are established that your cold calling falls off and you tend to coast - hence the part time does come into effect. I love how some of you guys say “you will fail” - like you guys have been winners all of your life. Who cares whether he fails or not, just wish him good luck.

[quote=Still@jones] You’re right, I couldn’t cut it using the Jones recipe; and the truth is, I really didn’t like the Jones recipe… But, I really like this industry and I believe it is a great fit for me. I just need to find my best way to get started. I once met a psychiatrist who started out as a part-time FA. He just started seeing less patients and all his clients/prospects were other psychiatrists. He didn’t focus on the next “money-due” but, instead, became an expert in strategies for running a psychiatrist office like a business. I’m not a psychiatrist, but I think a similar strategy could work for me. I want to focus on a small market (about 100-300 small businesses). I think it will be a much, much longer sales cycle, but I believe I can be the best FA for businesses this market. …and, I would like to withdraw my American Funds comment…you can sell any quality investments you want at Edward Jones.

For the record, I had $1mil+ clients that wouldn’t touch me until I started my own business. And these are people who I had good friendships with. When I was at Jones, they couldn’t believe that I would work for a model like that.



Not bashing Jones, but my guess is Still could do quite well for himself IF 1) he has the drive 2) he truly did not succeed because he didn’t like the Jones model 3) he is willing to work hard part-time and actually WORK the time he is doing this and 4) he works HARD.



There are a myriad of ways this business can be done. Jones/wires/banks are only a few of them.



Still, I think you are a clown for being such a Jones supporter and bashing non-Jones people when you were in love with Jones, but I wish you the best of luck on your own.



The rest of you guys from Jones criticizing Still - don’t assume you know everything about how the industry (or even Jones) works. I sure don’t. I learn more every day, which I wouldn’t if I were Still@jones:).



Just because he didn’t want to open up $50 a month DCA’s or accounts with $10k in them, doesn’t mean he couldn’t.    

I think we know enough about about the industry to know the foundation of what it takes to build a business - I’m guessing the only magic is doing the work, right?  True, there are many things to learn but those come with growth and experience.  However, given my past experiences in senior management I’ve seen guys like Still my entire life.  They are talented and talk a good game.  They are what my football coach used to call practice players.  When it comes to game time they don’t show up.  I HIGHLY doubt Still turned away accounts. He just didn’t do the work - but I bet he impressed the hell out of everyone at Eval/Grad with his insight into door knocking and building relationships. PRACTICE PLAYER!

What we know for a FACT about Still:

1. He lies - Told prospects he works at ML after being fired from Jones
2. He breaks rules - opened an unregistered office
3. He is lazy - Has admitted as much
4. He can’t think for himself - Read his posts about his field trainer, etc. etc.

Let me follow the logic I’m seeing on here - He can’t make it full time but for some reason now he has a chance to make it part-time nailing 1mm+ accounts?  I’m going back to drinking beer, my head hurts…

Just because he can’t make it with the Jones model doesn’t mean he is a failure, but I get the gist of your statement.

I agree with that.  Hope he joins a firm more inline with his talents.

You’re right, I couldn’t cut it using the Jones recipe; and the truth is, I really didn’t like the Jones recipe… But, I really like this industry and I believe it is a great fit for me. I just need to find my best way to get started.

I once met a psychiatrist who started out as a part-time FA. He just started seeing less patients and all his clients/prospects were other psychiatrists. He didn’t focus on the next “money-due” but, instead, became an expert in strategies for running a psychiatrist office like a business. I’m not a psychiatrist, but I think a similar strategy could work for me.

I want to focus on a small market (about 100-300 small businesses). I think it will be a much, much longer sales cycle, but I believe I can be the best FA for businesses this market.

…and, I would like to withdraw my American Funds comment…you can sell any quality investments you want at Edward Jones.

The fact that he lied to prospects and couldn’t open an account full time shows me his character. If you could not open an account doing it full time, you won’t part time. I get what everyone is saying about it being able to be done, but most of those people went part time after having long careers. They know people and more than likely have experience doing this job. It’s not someone who failed doing it full-time. I think what we are seeing here is a guy who couldn’t cut it doing the job, because he didn’t do the work. Made excuses long enough to make it through Eval/Grad. Got fired and now blames the firms recipe.



Make no mistake, you need to find another career and quit wasting your time. Anyone with a little bit of personality and a 20 on their ACT can make a total of $2200 gross in 4 months. Thats one trade. Not only that, but i know plenty of people who didn’t make those numbers. In fact, didn’t even get close, but STILL got pushed through. Why? Because they were working. Thats why they track your doorknocks. Jones doesn’t give a sh*t how you run your business, aslong as you are making money. When you aren’t making money AND they don’t see you working, thats when you get fired.



The fact that they didn’t even put you on goals (which is policy) tells me, you didn’t work period. Stop making excuses for your failure. A real man makes his success, no matter the circumstance. They don’t make excuses about why they couldn’t.

[quote=Ronnie Dobbs]The fact that he lied to prospects and couldn’t open an account full time shows me his character. If you could not open an account doing it full time, you won’t part time. I get what everyone is saying about it being able to be done, but most of those people went part time after having long careers. They know people and more than likely have experience doing this job. It’s not someone who failed doing it full-time. I think what we are seeing here is a guy who couldn’t cut it doing the job, because he didn’t do the work. Made excuses long enough to make it through Eval/Grad. Got fired and now blames the firms recipe.



Make no mistake, you need to find another career and quit wasting your time. Anyone with a little bit of personality and a 20 on their ACT can make a total of $2200 gross in 4 months. Thats one trade. Not only that, but i know plenty of people who didn’t make those numbers. In fact, didn’t even get close, but STILL got pushed through. Why? Because they were working. Thats why they track your doorknocks. Jones doesn’t give a sh*t how you run your business, aslong as you are making money. When you aren’t making money AND they don’t see you working, thats when you get fired.



The fact that they didn’t even put you on goals (which is policy) tells me, you didn’t work period. Stop making excuses for your failure. A real man makes his success, no matter the circumstance. They don’t make excuses about why they couldn’t.[/quote]

ditto

The fact that he lied to prospects and couldn’t open an account full time shows me his character. If you could not open an account doing it full time, you won’t part time. I get what everyone is saying about it being able to be done, but most of those people went part time after having long careers. They know people and more than likely have experience doing this job. It’s not someone who failed doing it full-time. I think what we are seeing here is a guy who couldn’t cut it doing the job, because he didn’t do the work. Made excuses long enough to make it through Eval/Grad. Got fired and now blames the firms recipe.

Make no mistake, you need to find another career and quit wasting your time. Anyone with a little bit of personality and a 20 on their ACT can make a total of $2200 gross in 4 months. Thats one trade. Not only that, but i know plenty of people who didn’t make those numbers. In fact, didn’t even get close, but STILL got pushed through. Why? Because they were working. Thats why they track your doorknocks. Jones doesn’t give a sh*t how you run your business, aslong as you are making money. When you aren’t making money AND they don’t see you working, thats when you get fired.

The fact that they didn’t even put you on goals (which is policy) tells me, you didn’t work period. Stop making excuses for your failure. A real man makes his success, no matter the circumstance. They don’t make excuses about why they couldn’t.

[quote=Ronnie Dobbs] The fact that he lied to prospects and couldn’t open an account full time shows me his character. If you could not open an account doing it full time, you won’t part time. I get what everyone is saying about it being able to be done, but most of those people went part time after having long careers. They know people and more than likely have experience doing this job. It’s not someone who failed doing it full-time. I think what we are seeing here is a guy who couldn’t cut it doing the job, because he didn’t do the work. Made excuses long enough to make it through Eval/Grad. Got fired and now blames the firms recipe.



Make no mistake, you need to find another career and quit wasting your time. Anyone with a little bit of personality and a 20 on their ACT can make a total of $2200 gross in 4 months. Thats one trade. Not only that, but i know plenty of people who didn’t make those numbers. In fact, didn’t even get close, but STILL got pushed through. Why? Because they were working. Thats why they track your doorknocks. Jones doesn’t give a sh*t how you run your business, aslong as you are making money. When you aren’t making money AND they don’t see you working, thats when you get fired.



The fact that they didn’t even put you on goals (which is policy) tells me, you didn’t work period. Stop making excuses for your failure. A real man makes his success, no matter the circumstance. They don’t make excuses about why they couldn’t.[/quote]



I know a guy who is an Indy at LPL right now that did NOT get put on goals and was summarily fired. This guy is doing quite well for himself. He has a guy taking an override, but he’s still making better dough that most guys with two years in the biz.



When you have been in the business at least a couple of years, I think you can begin making judgements.



I’m sorry to say it, but this is a case where newbie Jones guys don’t know what they don’t know.   

I think we know enough about about the industry to know the foundation of what it takes to build a business - I’m guessing the only magic is doing the work, right? True, there are many things to learn but those come with growth and experience. However, given my past experiences in senior management I’ve seen guys like Still my entire life. They are talented and talk a good game. They are what my football coach used to call practice players. When it comes to game time they don’t show up. I HIGHLY doubt Still turned away accounts. He just didn’t do the work - but I bet he impressed the hell out of everyone at Eval/Grad with his insight into door knocking and building relationships. PRACTICE PLAYER!What we know for a FACT about Still:1. He lies - Told prospects he works at ML after being fired from Jones2. He breaks rules - opened an unregistered office3. He is lazy - Has admitted as much4. He can’t think for himself - Read his posts about his field trainer, etc. etc.Let me follow the logic I’m seeing on here - He can’t make it full time but for some reason now he has a chance to make it part-time nailing 1mm+ accounts? I’m going back to drinking beer, my head hurts…

[quote=Moraen] [quote=Ronnie Dobbs] The fact that he lied to prospects and couldn’t open an account full time shows me his character. If you could not open an account doing it full time, you won’t part time. I get what everyone is saying about it being able to be done, but most of those people went part time after having long careers. They know people and more than likely have experience doing this job. It’s not someone who failed doing it full-time. I think what we are seeing here is a guy who couldn’t cut it doing the job, because he didn’t do the work. Made excuses long enough to make it through Eval/Grad. Got fired and now blames the firms recipe.



Make no mistake, you need to find another career and quit wasting your time. Anyone with a little bit of personality and a 20 on their ACT can make a total of $2200 gross in 4 months. Thats one trade. Not only that, but i know plenty of people who didn’t make those numbers. In fact, didn’t even get close, but STILL got pushed through. Why? Because they were working. Thats why they track your doorknocks. Jones doesn’t give a sh*t how you run your business, aslong as you are making money. When you aren’t making money AND they don’t see you working, thats when you get fired.



The fact that they didn’t even put you on goals (which is policy) tells me, you didn’t work period. Stop making excuses for your failure. A real man makes his success, no matter the circumstance. They don’t make excuses about why they couldn’t.[/quote]



I know a guy who is an Indy at LPL right now that did NOT get put on goals and was summarily fired. This guy is doing quite well for himself. He has a guy taking an override, but he’s still making better dough that most guys with two years in the biz.



When you have been in the business at least a couple of years, I think you can begin making judgements.



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Moraen … I’m sure it CAN happen but what would you say the probability of success for Still is based on the information you have about him?

[quote=voltmoie]



[quote=Moraen] [quote=Ronnie Dobbs] The fact that he lied to prospects and couldn’t open an account full time shows me his character. If you could not open an account doing it full time, you won’t part time. I get what everyone is saying about it being able to be done, but most of those people went part time after having long careers. They know people and more than likely have experience doing this job. It’s not someone who failed doing it full-time. I think what we are seeing here is a guy who couldn’t cut it doing the job, because he didn’t do the work. Made excuses long enough to make it through Eval/Grad. Got fired and now blames the firms recipe.



Make no mistake, you need to find another career and quit wasting your time. Anyone with a little bit of personality and a 20 on their ACT can make a total of $2200 gross in 4 months. Thats one trade. Not only that, but i know plenty of people who didn’t make those numbers. In fact, didn’t even get close, but STILL got pushed through. Why? Because they were working. Thats why they track your doorknocks. Jones doesn’t give a sh*t how you run your business, aslong as you are making money. When you aren’t making money AND they don’t see you working, thats when you get fired.



The fact that they didn’t even put you on goals (which is policy) tells me, you didn’t work period. Stop making excuses for your failure. A real man makes his success, no matter the circumstance. They don’t make excuses about why they couldn’t.[/quote]



I know a guy who is an Indy at LPL right now that did NOT get put on goals and was summarily fired. This guy is doing quite well for himself. He has a guy taking an override, but he’s still making better dough that most guys with two years in the biz.



When you have been in the business at least a couple of years, I think you can begin making judgements.



[/quote]Moraen … I’m sure it CAN happen but what would you say the probability of success for Still is based on the information you have about him?[/quote]



Ok - I would say that Still has less than a five percent chance of making it, given what we know. You guys are right. Like I said, I think he’s a clown.



But I wish him the best, despite his failures.



Maybe you guys are right to bash him and maybe it will prevent a total meltdown.



The point I was really trying to make is that it CAN be done. Whether it can be done by Still - who knows? I’ve seen people that really should not EVER make it - but did.



Also - I probably should stay off the “Rookies and Trainees” and let you guys handle your business.

We've all said it can be done multiple times in this thread, just not by this guy. The Jones recipe is not being defended here. We are simply saying that anyone with half a brain can gross $2200 and get past PDP. I know guys who were Seg 1 for over 2 years before being canned. He was not working. Has nothing to do with Jones recipe, MSSB recipe, or my apple cobblar recipe.

Wow! Lots of good stuff here…In my life, I’ve never listened to people when they’ve said “it can’t be done” so feel free to say this as often as you like. As for some of the other comments…

1. Telling the woman I was at ML was spontaneous, it wasn’t premeditated, so please don’t hold that against me.
2. The office where I made calls wasn’t illegal. If you’re going to accuse me of a crime, make sure you know the rules first.
3. I said good things when I was @ Jones and I say bad things now - I’m the same way with my women…you know, love the one you’re with. (Jones is a whore!!!)
4. When I find my right path, I am certain I will succeed at this. It is what I want.
5. For me to succeed at anything, I have to enjoy what I am doing. I believe anyone who is starting out strong, but hating each day, will run out of motivation somewhere between 12-36 months if they can’t find something, other than money, that they love about this job.
6. I wrote my name and number on the “Jones & You” brochures during “field foundations” - This was illegal and I am sorry.
7. I’d rather get bashed for my ideas than ignored…so, thanks everyone who replied!

You’ll do just fine… When u get to the door, ask for their bank statements once you’ve given them their pizza



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