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Nov 15, 2008 1:24 am

You are right, I don't believe it.

Why don't you attach a copy of what you are running, big boy? Not that it's false, it's just that I don't think anyone is that dumb to run such a smear campaign against a big corporation with lots of lawyers.    I'm not pro-AGE/WS. It's just that your bragadocious comments rubs me the wrong way.
Nov 15, 2008 1:25 am
NCGNTO:

You sound like one of those used car sales man…way too hungary to make a sale…but taking profit on a very difficult situation.   I have not had ONE acat out and I am LEGACY AGE!!!   Kool-aide and all… we have encountered people like you in the past and all I will offer you is nothing. You are wasting your time on our watch. Beware…we will take those relationships from you when you fail and you will.   What you got!



By the way... you must be an outstanding broker in that you need to rely on m/a to even get a client.   I am so impressed!
Nov 15, 2008 1:28 am

PM me your e-mail GG, big-boy, and I’ll shoot you copies of a few things I’m using…It ain’t a smear, it’s the truth that WB is trying to suppress, big-boy.

Nov 15, 2008 1:31 am

Dude, you sound like Oliver Stone. Truth is, I don't think anyone at Wachovia knows what the truth is. They are out of the loop it appears.

Truth, you can handle the truth!
Nov 15, 2008 1:35 am

Really, WB isn’t insolvent? The fate of WS isn’t completely uncertain? The AGE/WB deal isn’t even completely finalized, and WB hasn’t been sold already (twice, in principal)? You’re the one with an Oliver Stone screen name and and insolvent employer. How about that e-mail address?

Nov 15, 2008 1:36 am

[quote=YHWY] PM me your e-mail GG, big-boy, and I’ll shoot you copies of a few things I’m using…It ain’t a smear, it’s the truth that WB is trying to suppress, big-boy.

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You need to get in touch with your compliance dept. if you even have one…Rinky dink little shop you must have… Are you also telling AGE/WB clients how proud you are of your lack of leadership as a creep on the street lerking and feeding off very frightened clients???   Nice to know people like you are STILL are around. Love to see your U4. Must be riddled with bullet holes.

Nov 15, 2008 1:40 am

It’s LPL, tough guy. My advertising material is 100% compliance approved, because it’s TRUE. And you need to take a long, hard look at your firm if you think I’M scaring AGE/WB clients. WB is doing a fine job of that by itself, I’m simply confirming the ugly truth. 

Nov 15, 2008 1:40 am

That was a good point about the Oliver Stone comment, dude! I didn’t even pick up on that at first.

Nov 15, 2008 1:41 am

[quote=YHWY] PM me your e-mail GG, big-boy, and I’ll shoot you copies of a few things I’m using…It ain’t a smear, it’s the truth that WB is trying to suppress, big-boy.[/quote] Again, by the way, how old are you? You sound like my high school son – so I will need have him translate this communication. And you have a client???

Nov 15, 2008 4:08 am

ummm I have been at AGE for 8 years and we ALWAYS have to pay for Ins and State licenses, among other things…so not much different on that front…branch/firm covers very little.

Nov 15, 2008 4:13 am
YHWY:

It’s LPL, tough guy. My advertising material is 100% compliance approved, because it’s TRUE. And you need to take a long, hard look at your firm if you think I’M scaring AGE/WB clients. WB is doing a fine job of that by itself, I’m simply confirming the ugly truth. 

You know, YHWY, you came back and visited and you were somewhat positive...not your bitter negative self....and we applauded you for it....try to be positive, don't bite us...remain calm.
Nov 15, 2008 4:17 am

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Here are facts.... If this YHWY was for real - he wouldn't be constantly prospecting.. He'd be managing his book.  Next if was successful, he'd realize that no high net worth individual cares one bit about hearing what's wrong with the other firm or the other guy; only what you can or your firm can do for them. 

And when you represent Joe Jones Financial or some unknown independent name working out of the basement of your mom's house, you better get a 90% payout because you'll need it!

In "You win some you lose some" Registered Rep Jan 1 2008, the article states the average independent production is $126,527 per year.  Average production per wirehouse broker is $600,000 - $700,000 depending on the firm.  I'd say mean production would have to be around $450,000 depending on the firm. 

This market is miserable and I don't think I'm alone in being happy with having the backup of a very big, very well known firm.  Wachovia had issue but who didn't.  Now apparently we're the second largest brokerage and the either the largest or second largest bank in the nation.  Now, it doesn't make or break me but I do feel it certainly helps.  My question when competing with a smaller independent is why aren't they working for a real firm if they're any good?  And, no offense, but that question does seem to work.

Right wrong or indifferent it's my feeling that people buy a BMW from a big BMW dealership, not the car lot on the corner.  They both have cars but the dealer has prestige, capability, a large variety of resources, and you know they'll most likely be there next month is something goes wrong.  And in our business flying first class or coach costs exactly the same thing - so why take the chance?     

My opinion on retention is that given the situation across the street with the retention offer, I think Wells' offer will be better.  Upfront bonuses are 125% or more to hire a broker from the competition so why wouldn't they throw down 50% or more to secure a continued long term relationship with proven producers.  Work your book instead of prospecting as the saying goes. 

But they need to say something - anything in regard to when this information will be released.

 In the absence of any communication whatsoever, all you'll have are the recruiters spreading rumors and lies to scare the hell out of top producers.  The current tagline is something like "If they even cared one bit for you or wanted you to stay they would have said something... YOU"RE GETTING NOTHING! THEY WANT YOU TO GO!  And you better go before everyone wants to go at the same time - then you’re really in trouble!  I understand AHE and WB brokers have all had enough and they are starting to move and move big..."  You get the idea.  And these people call constantly.

So, WB didn't have to kick the payout up as much as they did – but they did; one of the highest on the street.  Hopefully they'll announce something, anything, on the retention issue soon.  It's a tough environment and a little clarity would help.

Nov 15, 2008 9:54 am
NCGNTO:

No retention package news now until December??? 

  Are you saying that retention packages aren't going to be announced until December?  I, like the rest of us, was hoping to hear something before then.  This is CRAZY that we haven't been given any clarity on this. 
Nov 15, 2008 5:48 pm

i was at AGE for years, never paid for my state licenses.  Is WS making all brokers pay for their licenses now?

Nov 15, 2008 6:04 pm

[quote=mnbondguy]i was at AGE for years, never paid for my state licenses.  Is WS making all brokers pay for their licenses now?

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You got lucky and had a nice BM!
Every broker in our office pays for any stat other than home state, has been this way at AGE the 8 years I have been there, also pay for mailing over a certain alotment, overnight packages, half of any seminars etc....we pay for everything at AGE!!! So is WS charges it will be no different..other than the lower payout we are gettign to boot!
Nov 15, 2008 6:50 pm

Wachovia Securities brokers pay for states where they do less them $1000 in commissions/trails. Doesn’t make much sense to have a FA doing $400.00 in Texas and firm paying $250 fee. LOL!

Nov 15, 2008 6:54 pm

[quote=nestegg]

[quote=mnbondguy]i was at AGE for years, never paid for my state licenses.  Is WS making all brokers pay for their licenses now?

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You got lucky and had a nice BM!
Every broker in our office pays for any stat other than home state, has been this way at AGE the 8 years I have been there, also pay for mailing over a certain alotment, overnight packages, half of any seminars etc....we pay for everything at AGE!!! So is WS charges it will be no different..other than the lower payout we are gettign to boot!
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See above on State regs. My complex/market pays for mailings, overnight, cable TV, Ednet and you need to get a vendor to help you out on seminars. The MF/Annuity wholesalers have plenty of $$$ to throw around
Nov 15, 2008 7:49 pm

[quote=Hydeho]

[quote=nestegg]

[quote=mnbondguy]i was at AGE for years, never paid for my state licenses.  Is WS making all brokers pay for their licenses now?

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You got lucky and had a nice BM!
Every broker in our office pays for any stat other than home state, has been this way at AGE the 8 years I have been there, also pay for mailing over a certain alotment, overnight packages, half of any seminars etc....we pay for everything at AGE!!! So is WS charges it will be no different..other than the lower payout we are gettign to boot!
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See above on State regs. My complex/market pays for mailings, overnight, cable TV, Ednet and you need to get a vendor to help you out on seminars. The MF/Annuity wholesalers have plenty of $$$ to throw around
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We get 25 pieces of mail a day whether you do 200k or 1mm, pay for all state regs other than home state...dont pay for cable tv...no idea what Ed Net is lol, we pay for any and all overnights. This is all legacy AGE
Nov 15, 2008 8:06 pm

[quote=nestegg] [quote=mnbondguy]i was at AGE for years, never paid for my state licenses.  Is WS making all brokers pay for their licenses now?

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You got lucky and had a nice BM!
Every broker in our office pays for any stat other than home state, has been this way at AGE the 8 years I have been there, also pay for mailing over a certain alotment, overnight packages, half of any seminars etc....we pay for everything at AGE!!! So is WS charges it will be no different..other than the lower payout we are gettign to boot!
[/quote]   Never heard of that before, I think its the exception and not the rule. 
Nov 15, 2008 8:58 pm

[quote=nestegg] ummm I have been at AGE for 8 years and we ALWAYS have to pay for Ins and State licenses, among other things…so not much different on that front…branch/firm covers very little.

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I understand that this is a branch manager call and I apparently had a very thoughtful one…now not so much.