Do I HAVE to knock on doors?
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[quote=BerkshireBull] Nothing against Jones, 1 guy isn’t going to make or break them, but they sure dropped the ball with Still@jones if you ask me. You’ve got a guy out there busting his tail trying to make things happen putting together a pretty doggone good pipeline and before any of it comes to fruition you cut him loose because he had a bad couple month stretch.Obviously the guy is not a loser or he wouldn’t have had 3 other job offers. If he’s willing to take the time to post on a message board like this he clearly has an interest and passion for the business. Had Jones given him a little more time to find his spot on the bus everyone probably would have won.
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Some people’s enthusiasm and hard work gets in the way of reality. I don’t doubt that Still was an honest, hardworking guy. He seems like a good guy. But as we have all seen, sometimes there is just an “it” factor that you need in this industry that you just can’t put your finger on. Charisma, chutzpa, a certain degree of sophistication, whatever it is. But you can’t always interview for that, and it can often be “faked”. It’s a good reason why you see some guys that seem like complete losers do really well in sales jobs - sometimes the ordinary, hard-working guy is just not very good at selling himself to people.
Everyone is posting about ME!!! I’m living Windy’s wet dream!!!
Sure, some of my posts are just me bitching…but, I believe, most are valid complaints about what I was sold about the Jones training and what I received in my region. I joined Jones because I though I was getting the best training in the financial services industry. Looking back, I feel like all I got was “a golf ball and a script”.
To my detractors: the truth will be known in 4 months if I am still in this industry (and still posting here?). Until then, feel free to dispute anything I say.
Whether or not you make it in this business doesn’t matter. The fact you failed at Jones was NOT because you didn’t think you got the best training. Every Jones FA got the same training you did and well we are still here. Grow some balls and admit that you didn’t do what you needed to. What you are doing is called projection. You f*** up and to keep yourself from feeling like a failure you blame (project) Jones and every other aspect except yourself. Funny thing is, people who fail and admit they screw up usually find ways to do better and become successful at whatever they do. The longer you place the blame on other factors, the less chance you have of doing anything successful.
[quote=Ronnie Dobbs]Whether or not you make it in this business doesn’t matter. The fact you failed at Jones was NOT because you didn’t think you got the best training. Every Jones FA got the same training you did and well we are still here. Grow some balls and admit that you didn’t do what you needed to. What you are doing is called projection. You f*** up and to keep yourself from feeling like a failure you blame (project) Jones and every other aspect except yourself. Funny thing is, people who fail and admit they screw up usually find ways to do better and become successful at whatever they do. The longer you place the blame on other factors, the less chance you have of doing anything successful. [/quote]
Thank you Dr. Windy Dobbs, PhD…I feel alot better now.
What windy said in five lines I’ll say in one:
Until you realize and admit the mistakes you made you are doomed to repeat them.
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[quote=Ronnie Dobbs]Whether or not you make it in this business doesn’t matter. The fact you failed at Jones was NOT because you didn’t think you got the best training. Every Jones FA got the same training you did and well we are still here. Grow some balls and admit that you didn’t do what you needed to. What you are doing is called projection. You f*** up and to keep yourself from feeling like a failure you blame (project) Jones and every other aspect except yourself. Funny thing is, people who fail and admit they screw up usually find ways to do better and become successful at whatever they do. The longer you place the blame on other factors, the less chance you have of doing anything successful. [/quote]Thank you Dr. Windy Dobbs, PhD…I feel alot better now.[/quote]
I do have a degree in Psychology…So feel free to call me Dr. if you’d like. The fact remains though, what Volt and I have said, is the complete truth. Hell, i wouldn’t give you sh*t at all if you’d just be a man.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, and this is my frustration with Jones. If for whatever reason you don’t stop and realize that you don’t have to use the information and training that isn’t helpful and that you can do whatever you want to build your business (provided it’s legal, ethical, and profitable) you will likely fail.
I don’t know Still, and I don’t really care if he failed because he was too lazy to do the work/too dumb to figure out that he didn’t “have to” follow the formula/too much of an automaton to think outside the box, but the firm sometimes does not foster success for whatever reason, it seems to foster blind allegiance. Whose fault is that? I would say it’s both.
[quote=iceco1d]Why are we still talking about this? Still is not with EDJ anymore, and he already admitted why. He is with an insurance b/d, which he claims to be a much better fit for him. As some of the EDJ guys say, “EDJ isn’t for everyone.” Now, if he fails out at the insurance b/d, it turns out that the INDUSTRY isn’t for him. If he makes it at the insurance b/d, it turns out EDJ wasn’t for him.
He already admitted he didn't do the things he needed, because he didn't like EDJ. Maybe part of it is that the INDUSTRY was a disappointment to him for awhile (i.e. "wow, I really won't be doing any advising, or a macho trader, I'll just be selling American funds for awhile...") or maybe it was just the EDJ model (i.e. "no office, no other brokers nearby, no f2f manager, etc."). I don't know what the answer is, nor do I really care. The guy IS trying now. So why not help him out if he asks for it, and otherwise leave him the f*ck alone. If he fails out now, the blame can only fall on him. [/quote][quote=iceco1d]Why are we still talking about this? Still is not with EDJ anymore, and he already admitted why. He is with an insurance b/d, which he claims to be a much better fit for him. As some of the EDJ guys say, “EDJ isn’t for everyone.” Now, if he fails out at the insurance b/d, it turns out that the INDUSTRY isn’t for him. If he makes it at the insurance b/d, it turns out EDJ wasn’t for him.
He already admitted he didn't do the things he needed, because he didn't like EDJ. Maybe part of it is that the INDUSTRY was a disappointment to him for awhile (i.e. "wow, I really won't be doing any advising, or a macho trader, I'll just be selling American funds for awhile...") or maybe it was just the EDJ model (i.e. "no office, no other brokers nearby, no f2f manager, etc."). I don't know what the answer is, nor do I really care. The guy IS trying now. So why not help him out if he asks for it, and otherwise leave him the f*ck alone. If he fails out now, the blame can only fall on him. [/quote] Why not? If he keeps blaming Jones for his failure I'm going to keep pointing out he was a lazy SOB while he was with us. You have NOOOOOOOO idea if he is trying now. Getting another job does not equal trying. Why assume? He's not said anything about his current business just the past. He'll never ask for help because it's never his fault. It's the model.[quote=voltmoie][quote=iceco1d]Why are we still talking about this? Still is not with EDJ anymore, and he already admitted why. He is with an insurance b/d, which he claims to be a much better fit for him. As some of the EDJ guys say, “EDJ isn’t for everyone.” Now, if he fails out at the insurance b/d, it turns out that the INDUSTRY isn’t for him. If he makes it at the insurance b/d, it turns out EDJ wasn’t for him.
He already admitted he didn't do the things he needed, because he didn't like EDJ. Maybe part of it is that the INDUSTRY was a disappointment to him for awhile (i.e. "wow, I really won't be doing any advising, or a macho trader, I'll just be selling American funds for awhile...") or maybe it was just the EDJ model (i.e. "no office, no other brokers nearby, no f2f manager, etc."). I don't know what the answer is, nor do I really care. The guy IS trying now. So why not help him out if he asks for it, and otherwise leave him the f*ck alone. If he fails out now, the blame can only fall on him. [/quote] Why not? If he keeps blaming Jones for his failure I'm going to keep pointing out he was a lazy SOB while he was with us. You have NOOOOOOOO idea if he is trying now. Getting another job does not equal trying. Why assume? He's not said anything about his current business just the past. He'll never ask for help because it's never his fault. It's the model. [/quote] Ditto. Plus he's a liar. Why would you lie to a prospect and just tell them your with a firm, that you are in no way affiliated with. I mean seriously.No offense Ronnie and Volt, but you seem like the kids on the playground that get picked on so much that you turn around and have to pick on the only guy left that is smaller than you.
The guy didn’t like his Jones experience. Who cares. He may be a piker and a bad broker (not saying he is). Who cares. Why spend energy on this clown when there are much bigger morons that post on this forum that deserve flaming (meletio, I’m talking about you).
I could care less if he didn’t like his experience with Jones. That happens. I don’t like it that he blames his OWN failures on Jones. That’s idiotic. If he doesn’t like the way Jones rolls, fine by me. Alot don’t. But don’t come on this site crying “I was fired because Jones sucks, their trainings horrible, doorknocking doesn’t work, it drove my motivation down, my field trainer sucked, my region sucked, blah blah f***in blah”, especially when 2 months ago you love Jones so much,wanted to give Ted a blow job.
[quote=Ronnie Dobbs]I could care less if he didn’t like his experience with Jones. That happens. I don’t like it that he blames his OWN failures on Jones. That’s idiotic. If he doesn’t like the way Jones rolls, fine by me. Alot don’t. But don’t come on this site crying "I was fired because Jones sucks, their trainings horrible, doorknocking doesn’t work, it drove my motivation down, my field trainer sucked, my region sucked, blah blah fin blah", especially when 2 months ago you love Jones so much,wanted to give Ted a blow job. [/quote]
The point is that Jones does suck sometimes. Still may be a whiny little b*, but he is a whiny b**** with a valid point. Many of the things that he complains about are true, and new brokers should know that Jones isn’t the panacea that we sometimes portray.
[quote=voltmoie]
Sorry Dad! As long as he keeps blaming his failure on Jones I'm going to keep owning him and since it's all he posts about we all know how this will go. I started the same time STILL did, I might have a bit more insight than you guys do.[/quote]
Just pointing out that you guys look petty when you “own” a confessed failure. If you want to look petty, fine.
I look good in petty, makes me look skinny.
Remember, he is only a failure because of Jones. He has confessed that Jones, his field trainer, his loud apartment, bad sales pitch, terrible prospecting methods, and small accounts caused him to fail. Not that he was a slug that gave up and allowed himelf to fail. HUGE DIFFERENCE. He is a 40+ year old man - not a 24 year old that didn't know any better. If I fail it's because of me. I do understand your point though, Jones has many failings on it's own. It's possible to have a bad experice.From an outsider's perspective it kinda sounds like Still@Jones was fed a lot of promises that didn't come to fruition. At the end of the day the recruiter who reeled him in won, the RL who hit his growth numbers because Still@Jones joined up, won and got his fat bonus, EJ got someone to work like a maniac 60hrs a week knocking on doors and getting the word out, and Still@Jones was left to whither on the vine and then thrown out as soon as it was convenient.
He was there for 4 months and Jones pays you what $2400/mo or something? So with the cost of his licenses Still@ cost EJ $10,000 and they made a couple thousand back off the accounts he opened, not to mention the advertising and goodwill he created in his town, and the pipeline and list of prospects someone else inherited who will undoubtedly go out and sell. It's pretty clear to see who won and who lost in this exchange. Still@Jones made $10 an hour at the end of the day doing a hard and stressful job, so yea he really took advantage of EJ...If you admit to being lazy and get fired from Jones after 4 months guys on here come out of the bushes to defend you. If you “follow the recipe” for 2 1/2 years, meet and exceed expectations, bring in a decent amount of assets, post your numbers on this site and then resign from Jones in the face of a 75k settlement while leaving all of your hard work and funds burned behind, you get hazed and labeled a failure. Make sense to me !
I thought you left because of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. My bad.If you admit to being lazy and get fired from Jones after 4 months guys on here come out of the bushes to defend you. If you “follow the recipe” for 2 1/2 years, meet and exceed expectations, bring in a decent amount of assets, post your numbers on this site and then resign from Jones in the face of a 75k settlement while leaving all of your hard work and funds burned behind, you get hazed and labeled a failure. Make sense to me !