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Nov 12, 2009 1:40 am

Here’s the cut and paste of the article from Compass:

  Changes to platform transition policy
Date :  11-06-2009
This article introduces changes to our platform transitions policy. These changes will best position advisors in both channels to be successful.
To: All field members From: Don Froude, President -- The Personal Advisors Group Re: Changes to platform transition policy


Over the past year, we have made great progress toward strengthening both our employee and franchise advisor groups. We are committed to offering you choice and flexibility in how you affiliate with Ameriprise, and we will continue to invest in programs to support both channels over the long term. To balance the interests of advisors, clients and shareholders, we have decided to change our platform transition policy. These changes will help ensure that advisors are positioned to be successful if they choose to transfer to the franchise channel during their careers. In addition, this will provide clarity and consistency to the transition decision-making process and will align with the guidelines for bringing experienced advisor recruits into the franchise channel.

What's changing?

Effective Dec. 2, any employee advisor who wishes to transition to the franchise advisor group must meet new criteria: $200,000 in trailing 26-service-period GDC $20 million in client-invested assets
All employee advisors must meet the new requirements to be eligible to transition to a franchise advisor role. Employee advisors who choose to transition to the franchise advisor group may be subject to transition-related compensation adjustments to account for the higher investment of resources and support in the employee channel. Advisors who have less than 10 years of service with Ameriprise Financial (time with AASI and H&R Block Financial Advisors does not count toward the requirement) will be assessed a 15% payout rate reduction during their first 52 service periods in the franchise channel. Advisors with 10 or more years of service with Ameriprise Financial (time with AASI and H&R Block Financial Advisors does not count toward the requirement) will not be subject to a payout rate reduction upon transition. Employee advisors who are receiving experienced advisor recruiting transition compensation or H&R Block Financial Advisors retention awards will not be eligible to transfer to the franchise channel until the awards have fully vested. Employee advisors who do not qualify to be offered a franchise may transition to the franchise platform as an associate financial advisor (AFA). To do so, the employing/contracting franchise advisor must purchase the employee advisor's client base for a fee of 2% of the client-invested assets over a 24-month timeframe. Current branch managers, former FVPs, managers and branch office managers whose positions were eliminated in 2009 will not need to meet the minimum transition criteria prior to pursuing a franchise advisor role. For specific information, refer to Related Bulletins.

Timing
Employee advisors who wish to transition to the franchise advisor platform must meet the new criteria beginning Dec. 2. Advisors who are in the process of transitioning to the franchise platform and have been approved to move on the Nov. 18 appointment date will not be affected by the change.

Equity vesting: Employee advisors
We also are revising the equity vesting rules that we announced earlier this year to align with these requirements. Advisors with less than 10 years of service with Ameriprise Financial will forfeit all unvested annual equity awards upon transition to the franchise channel. Advisors with 10 or more years of service will have their annual equity awards continue to vest after they transition. These changes will apply to 2009 grants and to all grants moving forward.

Nov 13, 2009 2:18 am

[quote=Gaddock]An Ameriprise guy, manager/recruiter, was telling me how friendly their platform was to various derivatives like options. Went on to tell me about margin requirements in house, beyond reg T and how competitive they were. In truth they were pretty good. Not anything like a warehouse but far better than most indies I’ve spoken with.

  Just one problem;   Compliance ... you are not allowed to solicit any option position beyond a covered cal he he he. A waste of his time and mine.[/quote]   sounds like you must have been talking to my VP - talks the talk, but really has no clue!
Nov 13, 2009 2:21 am
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[quote=bigpoppa]Sounds like you really know exactly how it works, and I would agree with you on that number, with the exception of how the P1 world is changing - in the new “Point of Arrival” (in 2011), folks writing less than $100k get a 25% payout!  Looking at the options that exist, independent seems like a no-brainer - unfortunately, I drank the kool-aid in the beginning, and still have stuff in the surrenders…what’s your opinion on the AFA thing?  Anyone out there have a good contract they’d like to share please?  Thanks again…

  It is the state of the business where we no longer will be hiring novice advisors and so if you're a "producer" then it shouldn't be an issue to stay above the 100K mark. When you compare our production averages to other firms, we don't really come close. It is the evolution of the business where firms need high producers and they will be rewarded. As far as going to the Indy side as an AFA, you have to have the right partnership and the right compensation. If you have a high producing advisor (above 85% payout) than its possible to create a salary and bonus arrangement that could be like a 50%-60% payout but you have to produce in most cases above $125K in total production.[/quote]   Thanks for the info & update - you said "we" in your post - can I assume you are with Ameriprise P1 now?
Nov 13, 2009 2:51 am

[quote=Primetime]I feel your pain.  Recently denied a franchise opportinity as well.  Heres what I’ve been told/shown by an inside source.  It’s currently a terrible environment in corporate and they are looking to squeez out/keep every revunue dollar on the books (not surprising since it’s getting close to year end).  By letting P1’s go P2 they are losing valuable revenue dollars that may effect their bonus or job.  In the past, you only had to meet the requiremnts (210 and 90) and get approval from p1 and p2 leaders to go.  A few months ago they added a new layer called the Governance commitee that has the final word.  Recently, the big bosses had a conference around this and directed the commitee to not even consider anyone who isn’t around 250k in production.

  Where do we go from here: 1.  It is my oppinion as well as my inside sources that theses requirements are likely to loosen up down the road.  If that is the case, then hang in there and see what happens.  Don't forgett that these decisions are made by people who quite frequently leave their posts especialy if those decisions are going to prove to be detrimental to the health of the company and new bosses come in and make up new rules.  How long do you expect Fraud to be around?  His history certainly suggests that it wont be more than a few years. 2.  Go Indy.  This seems to be a bit more tricky theses days.  Most Broker Dealers have relatively high mins these days so unless you are at the 250ish range, they don't want you.  However an opportunity does exist in joining an indy producer.  This obviously carries significant risk to you practice.  3.  Go AFA.  Again, more tricky than in the past.  You would have to find a p2 advisor willing to pony up a large sum for your clients as well as pay you when you get there with no guaranty that you will ever own your clients.  Not sure if a legal contract can be put together to circumvent this issue.  I did the calculation for what the p2 advisor would have to pay AMP to get my clients based on AMP's formula and it turned out to be around $100k. That pretty much means that the p2 advisor would have to be a significant producer to be able to afford that.    Hope this helps a bit. [/quote] Hey Primetime - this definitely does help!  Thanks so much!  I have actually gone downthe road of interviewing with other Independents near me, and, as I heard someone else say, the "is life outside of Amp P1"!  [And although I cannot say for sure since I'm not there yet, the life sounds pretty darn good!  Like planning fees that get a higher payout, insurances that do not hit the grid...I'm starting the believe that I've had my "horse blinders" on for too long, you know?]   So, at the end of the day, I believe we at least owe it to ourselves and clients to explore everything that's out there - however, I am very interested in looking into those franchise denials, as I can imagine there are a few attorneys that would love to take a case like this as a class action deal.  What reason did they give you for your denial?  I'm assuming you already hit the "210 and 90"?  Are you interested in moving forward with it?  
Nov 13, 2009 10:54 am

Fellas, as one who was drinking the same koolaid from the early 90’2 until 2006, it is the same corporate story.  Once you feel as though you made the practice to the scorecard, it evolves once again and penalized you for your previous 2 years or your los changes, new catagory, and the hurdle changes at the same time.

  210k production at AMP is 375 to 410 depending on your product mix.  Corporations are not in business for you, they are in business for themselves.   Back when CNL hotels/resorts was about to ramp up an IPO, the market as a whole was mixed.  For me, and I suspect several, a situation exisited that would have blown the scorecard system apart.  That is to say, if all the CNL got reinvested into new offerings at once, multiple people would have blown the metrix out of the water...thus jumping from a then 85% payout to 91%..two jumps at the time to the limit.  Many would then qualify for other perks like no franchise fee as a result.  Complete revamp of the hurdles, during a change in LOS metrix to 10+, they lowered Point values for gdc growth dramatically from previous rates for same LOS.  CNL did not go public but the metrix hurdles imposed did.  At the time, over 25% of the P2 were flipping to LOS band 10+, and it saved the firm billions. Smart stuff, but not for the advisor who didn't stack, sell VUL and FA like water.   Then the name change to Ameriprise came.  SOSDN.  So the place works obviously for many, more power to them and all of you.  Just remember the scorecard is a flexible tool used by management to control your behavior, practice behavior and the bottom line of the firm.  Carrot and stick... mush ...  mush!  My point is if you plan for your clients, but cannot plan for yourself then WDYWFY?  Old timers will remember WDYWFY, newer ones, ask who Lennick is.