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Sep 3, 2009 3:47 pm

you guys are slayin’ me today …

Sep 3, 2009 7:56 pm

A little tech help:

I only use Mac’s - so here’s a little hot-key’s lesson.  To right click, just hold down your “control” key and your mouse will behave exactly like on a PC.

The doc is the 2008 version of Excel - so it’s a .xlsx file.  If you don’t have the new excel it will not open with anything more than jibberish.

If you’re good on a computer you can import the data directly into Visual Basic - but it you all are seeing blinking lights and can’t right click - then maybe disregard this message.

I can turn it into the old Excel (97-2003 .xls) - but it would be harder to enable macros should anyone want to automate the program - which again, maybe this isn’t the crowd that would attempt such a thing.

Lastly - this would be a little tough to do at Jones - but not impossible.  Since a lot of annuity providers allow model trading and this thing only trades once per month - it could actually be done easily at JNL, American Skandia, and with a little work Hartford.

Good luck - keep suggestions for bad as.s portfolios coming,

JW

Sep 3, 2009 8:03 pm

Do you do the following on a monthly basis?



First: we identify if the asset class is worthy of using via Mebane’s very basic qualifier – is the asset trading above it’s 10 month moving average? I took it a little further to make noisy trading less an issue by using a 2 month/10 month crossover – nothing fancy, just a little modification.



Second: overweight the asset class with the most intermediate term momentum. This is ultra basic but works. Add up the 6 month and 12 month returns of each asset class and the leader gets half the $$. The other 5 get 10% chunks. Before you dismiss this as effective – run a test – it’s worked for over 50 years like clockwork.



Third: rebalance monthly. This system would take about 15 minutes per month to manage and would outperform 99% of all mutual funds with a 10 year history in the Morningstar Advisor Workstation database. It also has lower volatility and better metrics across the board than any of the 6 asset classes standing alone.

Sep 3, 2009 8:04 pm

Also is there an error for the last month, because it says it lost 90%

Sep 4, 2009 12:49 am

No error for the last month - I just finished the export before putting in the September 1 numbers for each asset class.  Once that is done there’s just a little cutting and pasting to have the spreadsheet do the calculations.

And yes, it’s just a once per month exercise - using the beginning of each month numbers for the calculations.  I think the spreadsheet has it using Emerging Markets as the top asset class (thus 50% weight) since May 1.

Sep 4, 2009 12:22 pm

[quote=AdvisorControl.com] A little tech help:I only use Mac’s - so here’s a little hot-key’s lesson. To right click, just hold down your “control” key and your mouse will behave exactly like on a PC.The doc is the 2008 version of Excel - so it’s a .xlsx file. If you don’t have the new excel it will not open with anything more than jibberish.If you’re good on a computer you can import the data directly into Visual Basic - but it you all are seeing blinking lights and can’t right click - then maybe disregard this message.I can turn it into the old Excel (97-2003 .xls) - but it would be harder to enable macros should anyone want to automate the program - which again, maybe this isn’t the crowd that would attempt such a thing.Lastly - this would be a little tough to do at Jones - but not impossible. Since a lot of annuity providers allow model trading and this thing only trades once per month - it could actually be done easily at JNL, American Skandia, and with a little work Hartford.Good luck - keep suggestions for bad as.s portfolios coming,JW

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Jason - Just curious. If you only use Macs, why don’t you use Numbers? The capabilities of Numbers outstrip Excel IMO. I developed my models using Numbers. A lot easier to interface and a lot easier to work with. I was an Excel junkie in my previous career and in the Army, but I’ve got to say that I like the Mac programs better.

Sep 4, 2009 1:28 pm

Moraen, you use Macs too?  My wife has a Mac that I use sometimes, but other than that I only use PC’s.  I like both for different reasons, but it is very tough trying to move back and forth.

Sep 4, 2009 1:53 pm

[QUOTE]Jason - Just curious. If you only use Macs, why don’t you use Numbers? The capabilities of Numbers outstrip Excel IMO. I developed my models using Numbers. A lot easier to interface and a lot easier to work with. I was an Excel junkie in my previous career and in the Army, but I’ve got to say that I like the Mac programs better.[/quote]

Creature of habit - I learned excel and vb in the 90’s and have never really gotten enamored with numbers (the Mac version;-).  Maybe I’ll have another look and see what I’ve been missing.  It seems like when I first checked it out a couple of years ago I couldn’t get it to play nice with all the vb stuff I’d written so I gave up.  I just use office for Mac - which is way better than office for PC, go figure.

Sep 4, 2009 1:56 pm

[quote=B24]Moraen, you use Macs too?  My wife has a Mac that I use sometimes, but other than that I only use PC’s.  I like both for different reasons, but it is very tough trying to move back and forth.[/quote]

Not with the new OSX Snow Leopard (operating system for non mac users).  Now PCs are truly obsolete.  There is virtually nothing that cannot be done on a mac - plus they don’t crash and get bogged down in the middle of something important like my old pc’s used to.

Sep 4, 2009 1:58 pm

So does everyone in your office use Mac’s?  Just curious if there are network interface issues (or maybe everything you do is web-based so you don’t use an internal network?).

Sep 4, 2009 2:06 pm
B24:

So does everyone in your office use Mac’s? Just curious if there are network interface issues (or maybe everything you do is web-based so you don’t use an internal network?).



Everybody uses Macs here.

Jason - Numbers '09 is a lot of more robust than Numbers '08. And I got SnowLeopard the second day it was out. Awesome.

The only issues I have is with AdvisorChannel at Fidelity, but with WealthCentral, it's a non-issue.

Also, Numbers will convert most to Excel and Pages will convert to Word, etc. The only issues I have are with people sending me Word and Excel documents. I usually send .pdfs to people anyway.
Sep 16, 2009 3:00 pm

Why did you use Vanguard etfs instead of ishares? And for developed int’l why did you use total international stock market that contains emerging instead of just msci? just curious

Sep 19, 2009 3:20 am

[quote=Squash1]Why did you use Vanguard etfs instead of ishares? And for developed int’l why did you use total international stock market that contains emerging instead of just msci? just curious[/quote]

Only open end funds were used in the analysis, not ETFs (the funds, if NL/NTF would be cheaper - but an ETF with the same style could be bought instead).  The funds were picked to represent mostly uncorellated asset classes with passive management and low costs.  I had to use the funds (non-etfs) because they had the longest history.

A few guys have asked how to update the spreadsheet.  In the short term I’ll do a quick video showing how to update it - in the longer term I’ll build a usable windows based application to do all the work and just spit out the back test result and what the current holding should be.

Cheers,

JW

Sep 24, 2009 2:30 am

New to the forum… went to your site… can’t seem to find the video or the application is it up yet?>

Sep 29, 2009 3:38 am

Hey Wankster any update on the availability of what you were going to do?

Sep 29, 2009 11:12 am

[quote=Squash1]Hey Wankster any update on the availability of what you were going to do?[/quote]

Sorry - been a little busy/lazy.  Busy with travel and work; lazy in watching Football instead of doing this stuff with free time at home.

I’ll make it a point this week to address some of the requests I’ve gotten lately on how to actually use this little program along with a quick video tutorial on why certain asset classes work and others do not (I’ve gotten some crazy requests for customization).

JW

Sep 30, 2009 2:13 pm

I don’t see where you get the commodity info from. Also in the excel file, some of the formulas are wrong because it gives some weightings 60% when I thought the max was 50%…

Sep 30, 2009 4:54 pm

What are people’s thoughts on these types of processes in taxable accounts?  I would think some of the tax implications can be significant.  Obviously, you always want to protect gains, but you also don’t want to be caught in a whipsaw where you sell something with large embedded gains, only to see it reverse 3 months later.

  Jason, how does your strategy differ in taxable accounts?
Sep 30, 2009 5:42 pm
Squash1:

I don’t see where you get the commodity info from. Also in the excel file, some of the formulas are wrong because it gives some weightings 60% when I thought the max was 50%…

  I just recorded the video this morning walking through the excel doc and answering some questions that keep popping up.   Formula wrong?  From me?  Never!!  (joking, of course)   The formulas are correct.  There are three tabs in the doc.  The first tab is the basic JW Ivy Port and will limit the top position to 50% of the portfolio.  The second is a graph.  The third was a little experiment in hedging, whereas the top position gets 60% and the 'worst' position is shorted at 10%.  This could easily be done by using some of the double beta etf's out there and an inverse etf to create a 110/10 portfolio - one that is always 100% invested but always hedged.  The numbers don't look all that good with that method.   I'll upload the video tonight and that should help with working the ramshackle program.  I also lay out when I'll have a fully functional and customizable desktop app to do this for you all...for free, of course.   Cheers.
Sep 30, 2009 5:46 pm

[quote=B24]What are people’s thoughts on these types of processes in taxable accounts?  I would think some of the tax implications can be significant.  Obviously, you always want to protect gains, but you also don’t want to be caught in a whipsaw where you sell something with large embedded gains, only to see it reverse 3 months later.

  Jason, how does your strategy differ in taxable accounts?[/quote]   Two things:   Buy and hold the last 10 years with no taxes produces a lower net return than simple programs like this even with the assumption of 50% annual taxes on gains.   And realistically; this program and others like it will 'most of the time' hold positions for more than 1 year.  If I get bored and have oodles of free time (not likely to happen) I'll calculate the exact tax ramifications per tax bracket in the spreadsheet to see how efficient it really is.  In the meantime, just look at the excel doc to see how often position size changes.  For the most part the only time short term transactions occur it ends up preserving massive amounts of principal and thus is more than worth paying taxes on the gains earned.