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Feb 27, 2007 6:07 pm

Whoops! Oh well, if you couldn't have figured it out anyway you still won't get it, so...

[quote=planrcoach]

"But I thank God for freedom, and the free market."

How appropriate that you thank a fictious construct for a ficticious economic ideal.

Just about sums it up. Having lived in Socialist China about 25 years ago "Apropos of nothing" much? Is that your version of Military Service cred? "I did something that you didn't so that means that what I say means something that you can't comprehend." , I find it amusing that you view the free market as being a fictitious construct, yet work in this particular industry You find it amusing that I, a person who doesn't believe that there is such a thing as the "Free Market" works in one of the most highly regulated industries. Yeah I was forced to obtain several licenses to play in this Free Market too. BTW, to be clear, "God" is the ficticious construct, "Free Markets" are the ficticious Economic Ideal. If we lived in a "free market" there wouldn't have been men in Iraq for Operation Desert Storm, protecting the oil companies' assets in Saudi Arabia. That effort would have been carried out by the oil companies as a cost of their doing business there. Even as the wrath of the market is felt on this day. And if this market goes down X%age, what will happen? Circuit Breakers kick in and the market goes to a cool down period. That's not a Free Market. Disabuse yourself of that quaint notion. The best way to do that is to try to think what the world would be like if there were indeed "Free Markets" (perhaps you might read a book about the days after the Civil War when there were no rules in the markets, then you'll understand why "Free Markets" are a BAD idea!

It's a delight to see this gentle soul pretend that the free market's machinations and mastications of mankind is all for our best long term interests.  

Sorry that you feel I am being disingenuous. Don't shoot the messenger. I don't think you're being disingenuious I think you don't know WTF you're talking about. But I do think you are sincere in your disjointed reasoning.

 

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Feb 27, 2007 6:10 pm

Are you THE Dredpiraterobts? Or did you buy that title from the last Dredpiraterobts?

In either case, you're kinda full of yourself aren't you there palie pal?

Where guys like you come from is a Misteray to Me!

Feb 27, 2007 6:23 pm

God" is the ficticious construct, "Free Markets" are the ficticious Economic Ideal.

Guess that just about settles it then.

Feb 27, 2007 6:35 pm

Just curious, why didn’t it “just about settle it” the first time it was said?

Feb 27, 2007 6:42 pm

I admit my mistake and faults. I'm sorry you are apparently so angry. If you believe in Karma, may you get some good Karma. Remember to ask for what you want.

Feb 27, 2007 7:48 pm

[quote=dredpiraterobts]Whoops! Oh well, if you couldn't have figured it out anyway you still won't get it, so...[/quote]

...I thought that was you...too many similarities...

Feb 27, 2007 8:56 pm

[quote=Indyone]

[quote=dredpiraterobts]Whoops! Oh well, if you couldn’t have figured it out anyway you still won’t get it, so…[/quote]

...I thought that was you...too many similarities...

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Similar thoughts crossed my mind, then I decided it wasn't important enough to pursue.

I fail to understand why some folks find it necessary to hide behind multiple identities on a regular basis....any fun they may have also takes away from the quality of discourse as well.

Maybe it is insurance for them in case they are banned again?

Either way, it's annoying.

Call me a stick in the mud if you wish...
Feb 27, 2007 9:05 pm

Nobody was hiding anything anywhere, putz!

Dred signed on to see if he had any PMs that he hadn't seen because he never signs on. Then he made comments and pointed it out that he had done so.

There was no hiding.

I'd say that isless like a stick and more like a pole, and that ain't mud!

Feb 27, 2007 9:10 pm

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

Nobody was hiding anything anywhere, putz!

Dred signed on to see if he had any PMs that he hadn't seen because he never signs on. Then he made comments and pointed it out that he had done so.

There was no hiding.

I'd say that isless like a stick and more like a pole, and that ain't mud!

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There you go again with the name calling and ad hominem attacks.

Have you considered seeking professional help for your problem?
Feb 27, 2007 9:53 pm

No need, I get to air out my spleen on guys who say something stupid, fortunately there is no lacking of guys saying something stupid around here!

What you said before I responded was stupid on many many levels. It's stupidity was so deep, its almost a work of art.

Your retort shows a total imperviousness to logic. I called you names for sure, but that was how I responded to YOU, not to your "argument" which I refuted factualy.

The basis of the ad hominem attack is that instead of responding to the argument, you try to discredit the arguer. For example: Joe Donnelly says "The problem with religion is that people often replace reasoning with faith." and a respondent says "Don't listen to him, he's Irish, and we all know that the Irish love to drink too much!"

OTOH hand, this would NOT be an ad hominem argument:  Joe Donnelly says "The problem with religion is that people often replace reasoning with faith." and a respondent says "Joe, you Irish love to fight! That people replace reason with faith is not a problem with religion, it is a problem with people. They would do the same harm to themselves by putting their faith in reasoning, especially since most people aren't very skilled in it in the first place!" 

Feb 27, 2007 10:14 pm

Clever.

Feb 28, 2007 12:50 pm

Wow - This has certainly taken on a life of it's own!  Maybe topics should be automatically closed down after a week.  It seems that after a while any topic festers into argumentative banter...

Meanwhile, I've gotten about $70mm to stay so far.  Issue is that the rr has 14 months to bring his book to SB (for the back end of the deal) so this will be a long term fight.  The fact that he has 80 year old grandmas with sometimes 2%-30% in Fida Adv Emerging Asia T will help also...

That's right - he WENT to SB the very day 69 reps left...

Feb 28, 2007 1:11 pm

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

No need, I get to air out my spleen on guys who say something stupid, fortunately there is no lacking of guys saying something stupid around here!

What you said before I responded was stupid on many many levels. It's stupidity was so deep, its almost a work of art.

Your retort shows a total imperviousness to logic. I called you names for sure, but that was how I responded to YOU, not to your "argument" which I refuted factualy.

The basis of the ad hominem attack is that instead of responding to the argument, you try to discredit the arguer. For example: Joe Donnelly says "The problem with religion is that people often replace reasoning with faith." and a respondent says "Don't listen to him, he's Irish, and we all know that the Irish love to drink too much!"

OTOH hand, this would NOT be an ad hominem argument:  Joe Donnelly says "The problem with religion is that people often replace reasoning with faith." and a respondent says "Joe, you Irish love to fight! That people replace reason with faith is not a problem with religion, it is a problem with people. They would do the same harm to themselves by putting their faith in reasoning, especially since most people aren't very skilled in it in the first place!" 

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Ok now that we've cleared up that point, how's this: YOU'RE BEHAVING LIKE A HORSE'S BEHIND!
Feb 28, 2007 2:53 pm

"Ok now that we've cleared up that point, how's this: ..."

"We've"? We is a group that includes the person saying we. You didn't clear up anything. I had to explain basic logic and argument to you. You turned around and showd absolutely zero practical understanding of what had been spoon fed to you.

You have a real bad habit of making pronouncements and then doing absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim. I'm not one of your clients, you have zero track record of being right, so I won't take your advice at face value.

If (or should I say When) you say something stupid you should be called on it, otherwise you might not know that it was stupid and you won't be encouraged to say something less stupid the next time. Constructing a defendable position is the first step to building a logical philosophy. Every person should have a logical philosophy (or be trying to build one) for themselves. I have only your best interests at heart when I challange you to build up your intellectual integrity.

Feb 28, 2007 3:13 pm

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

No need, I get to air out my spleen on guys who say something stupid, fortunately there is no lacking of guys saying something stupid around here!

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Are you so arrogant as to not include yourself in that group on occasion?
Feb 28, 2007 3:24 pm

Hell no!

But you have to prove it's stupid.

I've defended stupid things I've said before, and I've admitted to their being stupid too.

And its stupid trying to have an intellectual discussion with persons who refuse to use their intellect.

Feb 28, 2007 4:32 pm

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]And its stupid trying to have an intellectual discussion with persons who refuse to use their intellect.[/quote]

...and yet we continue to attempt to do so with you...shame on us...

Feb 28, 2007 4:52 pm

NOFX-I can’t blame you for poaching this guy’s book.  I’m sure you haven’t received a quality referral in months.  Truth be told; if the program  over there was as good as advertised, you wouldn’t have time to dig through this book let alone post here daily.  You are and have always been a bottom feeder and I suspect 50% of your $400k in annual revenue comes from handouts from the “Firm”.  They know they have a genuine “rat” working for them and you will surely do all you can do bad mouth a hard working X-employee and preserve those clients. I’m sure you service them well.  Your allocation models are surely flawless as well.  Anyone can pick a part an allocation model after the fact so for you to brag about how you have “saved” some of these older clients from unsuitable recommendations is a Joke.  You’re a hack!!  Keep bragging about all the good you do for a firm everyone knows will throw you to the wolves as soon as they can figure out how save a few Xtra $$.   In 2 years you’ll be working for a modeste salary begging for a high client delight score so you can get your $10k bonus in 10 year restrcted stock.  Or perhaps you can go into management and F**K the brokers instead of just the ones who have the balls to leave. 

Feb 28, 2007 5:15 pm

[quote=Indyone]

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]And its stupid trying to have an intellectual discussion with persons who refuse to use their intellect.[/quote]

...and yet we continue to attempt to do so with you...shame on us...

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Come on Indyone! I'm putting some effort into this. I'm making good, solid fourth and fifth level snarks. You're going for the gimmes!

Step Up YOUR game!

Freedom05!

It sounds like you know this situation, personally. I know that if I had 70,000,000 new dollars under management, this is the last place I'd be!

He must be taking a "Yeah! Right!" as a "Yes".

Feb 28, 2007 5:38 pm

I’ll take all the lay-ups you want to shovel me…