What am I doing wrong?

What firm do you work for that may be the problem, if it is a good firm and you are not a total douche…you will be gettign brokers so the problem is you work for a firm people dont want to touch or you come accross like a douche…have you ever been a broker? If you haven’t you probably wont get alot of respect from those you are calling on.

Could it really be the firm? I’m reluctant to post the name. It’s definitely not broiler room… the exact opposite… Fortune 500. Offers both indi & employee platforms. Got approved for but didn’t take any tarp $$$.



Here’s the kicker… I’ve talked to a ton of brokers and I know I can do better for them. Locked in payout for 3 yrs… asset & production back-end bonuses… bonus for transitioning… marketing $$$ (2% of T12). That’s literally scratching the surface.



Wondering if I should be more aggressive but I don’t want to leave a bad impression of the firm with anyone…

Haven’t been a broker. Worked with several but never been one personally. Also, I’m a female. Does that make a difference?

Drip.  If you really do believe in what your firm has to offer, then keep dripping.  I gather from your post that you are trying to get brokers to move over to your indy firm?  I am guessing Lincoln?  AXA?

Haven’t been a broker. Worked with several but never been one personally. Also, I’m a female. Does that make a difference?

Sounds like Ameriprise. Someone called me with a similar sounding offer.

That’s what my guess was going to be…

Well if it’s Ameriprise, then there’s your problem.

[quote=ITaiMayH]Haven’t been a broker. Worked with several but never been one personally. Also, I’m a female. Does that make a difference?[/quote]

Of course, it makes a difference. Are you hot or ugly? Please describe yourself.

Funny boy. I wish that would be an easy explanation but I do calls only… not meetings.

[quote=ITaiMayH]Funny boy. I wish that would be an easy explanation but I do calls only… not meetings.

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I can tell a hot chick over the phone.

You sure it’s a recruiter you’re talking to and not somebody from a 900#?

[quote=Alice Cooper]

[quote=ITaiMayH]Haven’t been a broker. Worked with several but never been one personally. Also, I’m a female. Does that make a difference?[/quote]Of course, it makes a difference. Are you hot or ugly? Please describe yourself. [/quote]



Damn it Alice! You beat me to it.



Can we see a picture? I will tell you how you can get through to brokers and advisors, but you’ll have to send a picture first.

Sorry. Not in the business of selling skin.

I got it. Ugly.



Good thing you sell over the phone then.

[quote=Moraen]I got it. Ugly.



Good thing you sell over the phone then.[/quote]

Definitely ugly.

I’ll third the AMP guess.   You are screwed if it is AMP.  It doesn’t matter how good you think that they are.  Their reputation in the industry is negative. 

Could it really be the firm? I’m reluctant to post the name. It’s definitely not broiler room… the exact opposite… Fortune 500. Offers both indi & employee platforms. Got approved for but didn’t take any tarp $$$.

Ameriprise will automatically institute a hangup from most brokers, the only reason they may actually listen to the pitch is becasue you are female and sound cute…but they won’t actually sign with you!

I read this forum but do not post much.  Just wanted to say Alice Cooper is a fool.  I’m guessing you sit in your studio apartment trying to come up with cute comments all day.  Get a real career going and maybe you can spend time helping people instead of ripping FA’s who are more successful than you are.  I’m pretty sure if half the people on this forum met you in a dark ally they would shut you up pretty quickly, I know I would. 

I concur. Alice is a douchebag

If you are looking for prospects...simply ask. You might find a few people who are interested in what you offer. The SmartMarketing approach is not really clever anymore. Most have heard it...at least the folks you want to place.

[quote=LA Broker] I’m pretty sure if half the people on this forum met you in a dark ally they would shut you up pretty quickly, I know I would.  [/quote]

Internet tough guys like you are cool.

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Could be RayJay.  They’ve used up front bonuses for the year (at least around here) so it’s a back end offer.

I’ll be the 4th or 5th vote that she’s hustling AMP. The boasting of the 2% marketing support is the dead giveaway… that’s totally overblown. On top of that, the reality is, yes, 99.9% of your calls are going to amount to nothing today. If you’ve ever been in the business and had to cold call your arse off you’d know you rarely walk into ‘yes’ on call one. It takes time, call, drip, drip, drip, for months and even years and even then most will be NO.  Maybe you’re not cut out to recruit or sell for anyone f you don’t understand the process? 

I read this forum but do not post much.  Just wanted to say Alice Cooper is a fool.  I’m guessing you sit in your studio apartment trying to come up with cute comments all day.  Get a real career going and maybe you can spend time helping people instead of ripping FA’s who are more successful than you are.  I’m pretty sure if half the people on this forum met you in a dark ally they would shut you up pretty quickly, I know I would. 

Go Alice! Big numbers… we’re impressed by your amazing growth  By the way, I love your FM radio show locally!   Rock on!

It is Ameriprise.  And if she is in the DC region she is cool.  We may have a bad rep with brokers, but in my 8 years the company has improved dramatically.

I can say as an outsider, AMP seems to be moving fast in the right direction. I know a few solid guys who needed to move out and went there. They’re not unhappy, just a little lost in the early going. AMP is one big acquisition or major platform revamp away from being a major force nationally. The HRB deal propelled them out West for sure. If she’s hot, maybe she’ll call me and hit me up. I’ll give her a few minutes if she’ll add me as a friend on facebook. Hell, I’ll even take a c***tail meeting to help fill a blank on her weekly reporting spreadsheet. I’m sure there’s some dork in Minn. asking why she’s not filled 10 holes this week.

[quote=LA Broker]I read this forum but do not post much.  Just wanted to say Alice Cooper is a fool.  I’m guessing you sit in your studio apartment trying to come up with cute comments all day.  Get a real career going and maybe you can spend time helping people instead of ripping FA’s who are more successful than you are.  I’m pretty sure if half the people on this forum met you in a dark ally they would shut you up pretty quickly, I know I would. 

Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.

Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.

Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.

[quote=Moraen][quote=LA Broker]Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.[/quote][/quote]

Sounds like someone else that posts on this board.

[quote=Moraen][quote=LA Broker]Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.[/quote][/quote]

Sounds like someone else that posts on this board.

Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.

Triple me?  So you assume that grossing 200K one year proves lifetime success?  I have seen guys like you come and go.  Grossing 200K does not mean much to me, especially if its front loaded business.  So you think you will keep building and I will not grow?  Or is your math that poor?  I doubt you will have a 90 million fee based book at 5 years.  My guess is that you live in some hodunk town in the middle of the south, not a whole lot of potential, and a pretty pathetic life.  Excuse me while I go hit the beach of SoCal.

Triple me?  So you assume that grossing 200K one year proves lifetime success?  I have seen guys like you come and go.  Grossing 200K does not mean much to me, especially if its front loaded business.  So you think you will keep building and I will not grow?  Or is your math that poor?  I doubt you will have a 90 million fee based book at 5 years.  My guess is that you live in some hodunk town in the middle of the south, not a whole lot of potential, and a pretty pathetic life.  Excuse me while I go hit the beach of SoCal.

[quote=LA Broker]Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.[/quote]

Let’s do some math…Assume that you got your undergrad at 21. Assuming that you weren’t required to have work experience before you started grad school, you got your mba at age 23. Furthermore, assume that you started working toward cfp immediately, and consider the 3 year work requirement, you are minted a cfp at age 26. You claim to have raised $30mm over a 4 year period, during a bear market, when people don’t want to pay fees to lose money.

I think you’re full of sh*t. Stop lying.

Triple me?  So you assume that grossing 200K one year proves lifetime success?  I have seen guys like you come and go.  Grossing 200K does not mean much to me, especially if its front loaded business.  So you think you will keep building and I will not grow?  Or is your math that poor?  I doubt you will have a 90 million fee based book at 5 years.  My guess is that you live in some hodunk town in the middle of the south, not a whole lot of potential, and a pretty pathetic life.  Excuse me while I go hit the beach of SoCal.

LA Polesmoker, please explain how you built a $30mm book in one year. Also, what is so frustrating about building a book when you’re doing $300,000 in fees, just by showing up on January 1? How is it that “you are starting out” and experiencing “up and down pay” when your gross goes from zero to $300,000 in one year? Where is the down part?

You are a f***ing liar.



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Alice,

LA jackass - change your name before you come back. Zero credibility after Alice found your dumbass post. Try and stay a little consistent with your lies next time.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahaaaaaa

LA jackass - change your name before you come back. Zero credibility after Alice found your dumbass post. Try and stay a little consistent with your lies next time.

LA Polesmoker, please explain how you built a $30mm book in one year.
Also, what is so frustrating about building a book when you’re doing
$300,000 in fees, just by showing up on January 1? How is it that “you
are starting out” and experiencing “up and down pay” when your gross
goes from zero to $300,000 in one year? Where is the down part?

You are a f***ing liar.



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Owned, and owned.

Once again, a CFP proves how pathetic they are. 

No answer - he must still be at the SoCal beaches charging little girls $30 to braid their hair. Either that or he’s waxing the surfboards of the guys in his firm that do actually produce.

[quote=Moraen]No answer - he must still be at the SoCal beaches charging little girls $30 to braid their hair. Either that or he’s waxing the surfboards of the guys in his firm that do actually produce.[/quote]

He’s a CFP. There’s no way he could close for a $30 braid order. Even when he shows the kid a computer enhanced image of what she would look like with braids.

[quote=Alice Cooper]

[quote=Moraen]No answer - he must still be at the SoCal beaches charging little girls $30 to braid their hair. Either that or he’s waxing the surfboards of the guys in his firm that do actually produce.[/quote]He’s a CFP. There’s no way he could close for a $30 braid order. Even when he shows the kid a computer enhanced image of what she would look like with braids. [/quote]







Waxing it is then!

[quote=LA Broker]Gaddock, I don’t even know what you were trying to say.  Learn how to write a complete sentence rookie.  If you are finishing your second year you are not even in my league buddy.  I have my MBA, CFP, built a fee based book on my own to 30 million and have not reached the age of 28, I don’t need your advice.  I was not trying to be an internet “tough guy”, though I thought that was pretty clever.  Alice Cooper was ripping on some poor girl who was looking for serious career advice.  You do not need to call her fat or ugly, he could probably never get a girl half as good and I have never met or seen her.  I have no idea what Alice Coopers qualifications are but I do know the guy is a jerk.  If he showed that side to his clients they would quickly fire him.  I have not seen one positive, constructive comment from him on this forum.  I read this forum because I want to keep learning from some of the vets with good ideas, not a fool like Cooper, I can get that trash talking from any ESPN forum.  If you someone wants to give a piker a hard time, I think its funny, but when you cross the line with personal comments from somebody who is just trying to improve that is going to far.[/quote]

Let’s do some math…Assume that you got your undergrad at 21. Assuming that you weren’t required to have work experience before you started grad school, you got your mba at age 23. Furthermore, assume that you started working toward cfp immediately, and consider the 3 year work requirement, you are minted a cfp at age 26. You claim to have raised $30mm over a 4 year period, during a bear market, when people don’t want to pay fees to lose money.

I think you’re full of sh*t. Stop lying.

What is hard to believe?  I went to night school to complete my MBA while working, I self studied for the CFP, I have been in the business over 6 years now.  I have been building a new book for the past two years, switch firms for a better deal and a few established accounts.  I know this does not happen in hodunk edward jones towns but in Los Angeles people have big money and you can build quickly when you close business because everyone has 1 million or more in my area.  Yeah, before I switch firms I looked at the idea of buying a book, so have a lot of guys but took this deal instead and it has worked out.

[quote=LA Broker]

What is hard to believe?  I went to night school to complete my MBA while working, I self studied for the CFP, I have been in the business over 6 years now.  I have been building a new book for the past two years, switch firms for a better deal and a few established accounts.  I know this does not happen in hodunk edward jones towns but in Los Angeles people have big money and you can build quickly when you close business because everyone has 1 million or more in my area.  Yeah, before I switch firms I looked at the idea of buying a book, so have a lot of guys but took this deal instead and it has worked out.

[quote=Alice Cooper]
LA Polesmoker, please explain how you built a $30mm book in one year. Also, what is so frustrating about building a book when you’re doing $300,000 in fees, just by showing up on January 1? How is it that “you are starting out” and experiencing “up and down pay” when your gross goes from zero to $300,000 in one year? Where is the down part?

You are a f***ing liar.



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"LA Polesmoker"

ROFFEL!!!

[quote=LA Broker]

What is hard to believe?  I went to night school to complete my MBA while working, I self studied for the CFP, I have been in the business over 6 years now.  I have been building a new book for the past two years, switch firms for a better deal and a few established accounts.  I know this does not happen in hodunk edward jones towns but in Los Angeles people have big money and you can build quickly when you close business because everyone has 1 million or more in my area.  Yeah, before I switch firms I looked at the idea of buying a book, so have a lot of guys but took this deal instead and it has worked out.

[quote=LA Broker]

Lame Ass Polesmoker!!

Wow everyone in LA has more than a mil…EVERYONE? awesome!

I am in very wealthy area, a small 2 bedroom house costs more than 2 million, small 2 bedroom condos start at 750k, so in many ways almost everyone has a million and most have that or more in investable cash.  The toughest part is the competition.  Unlike the midewest, we have CFP’s, CFA’s, private banks at every corner.  Only thing we lack are Jones offices because rent is so high and nobody would take them serious door knocking the spanish maids.

[quote=LA Broker]I am in very wealthy area, a small 2 bedroom house costs more than 2 million, small 2 bedroom condos start at 750k, so in many ways almost everyone has a million and most have that or more in investable cash. The toughest part is the competition. Unlike the midewest, we have CFP’s, CFA’s, private banks at every corner. Only thing we lack are Jones offices because rent is so high and nobody would take them serious door knocking the spanish maids.

I am in very wealthy area, a small 2 bedroom house costs more than 2 million, small 2 bedroom condos start at 750k, so in many ways almost everyone has a million and most have that or more in investable cash. The toughest part is the competition. Unlike the midewest, we have CFP’s, CFA’s, private banks at every corner. Only thing we lack are Jones offices because rent is so high and nobody would take them serious door knocking the spanish maids.



Only cold calls I’m making are to the 213 and the 310 from now on.