I just don't get it?
I’ve never written to this forum before but have read the messages for awhile and finally decided to say something.
It seems like there are many people that bash Edward Jones because they are no longer there. Many of you would have never been given the chance to be in this industry if it weren't for them giving you the training you received. I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company. I am a guy that spent my first 12 years in the industry with AGE and Indy and have been a Jones for 7 years now and the only regret I have is that I didn't do it sooner. I work less, make more, have great benefits, a BOA that I love, and take two fantastic trips a year. I could not be happier than I am now. I know some of you will try to prove I am wrong and how much better you have it wherever you are but I've been there and know for a fact that Edward Jones is my last stop until I retire. For those of you that feel different, that's fine but I don't make a constant effort to discredit who you work for, so let it go and let's use this forum for the good that it could be.[quote=Brian1960]I’ve never written to this forum before but have read the messages for awhile and finally decided to say something.
It seems like there are many people that bash Edward Jones because they are no longer there. Many of you would have never been given the chance to be in this industry if it weren't for them giving you the training you received. I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company. I am a guy that spent my first 12 years in the industry with AGE and Indy and have been a Jones for 7 years now and the only regret I have is that I didn't do it sooner. I work less, make more, have great benefits, a BOA that I love, and take two fantastic trips a year. I could not be happier than I am now. I know some of you will try to prove I am wrong and how much better you have it wherever you are but I've been there and know for a fact that Edward Jones is my last stop until I retire. For those of you that feel different, that's fine but I don't make a constant effort to discredit who you work for, so let it go and let's use this forum for the good that it could be.[/quote] I believe Jones depends on the region that you are in. If you are in a good region, very likely the experience to be positive. At AG Edwards the experience revolves around the BM. Many of the persons that had bad experiences with Jones and are bitter were in regions that struggled for leadership. It would seem to me that RL's should be chosen not on the basis of their GDC but rather on their ability to lead and encourage....Hey Brian, thanks for your input. Question, did you start new new or did you take over an office?
to each his own.
So your the one, the poster child—Jones said they had one!
Brian,
How about the guy I know that was a top-five producer at Jones and left 2 years ago to work at AG? I guess each decides where they need to be. As for me, in my first full calendar year away from the green slime, I've more than doubled my net, decreased my office expenses and won three great trips!! Go figure that anyone could be happy about having left Jones. I don't think you'll find anyone on this board who has left Jones that will say "I really screwed up by leaving." and not just because we can't admit it, but because it just ain't so!!!Man, Brian, do you always walk right up to that hornet’s nest and smack it as hard as you can?
Here's what I think, not that any of you care. Jones is a great place compared to a lot of the other regional firms out there. It's a great place compared to some of the wirehouses. For some, indy world is better than either a wirehouse, regional firm, or Jones. I think there are a few people who went indy and figured out that they liked working for Jones and miss some of the things we do and would probably go back if Jones would have them. But, for the most part you guys went indy and are incredibly happy with your decision. You probably never would have been completely happy anywhere except where you are right now. Brian, trust me. You'll never get it. I've asked the same question a dozen times and have never really received a good answer. They will just keep coming back to the same old arguements about why they left Jones. I think it's therapeutic for them to bash Jones. And I think they enjoy it. Some, like spears, like to have fun with it. Others can be just plain mean sometimes. Just so you know, they now think you are an idiot. You have had too much of the kool aid. You are a GP's puppet. You get paid by home office to post here. You can't think for yourself. I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Welcome to the group. I'm happy to see another pro-Jones guy posting here.Welcome Brian–Kool aid kid, welcome to the woodshed! Spiff> have a great weekend!
When I started at Jones I took over an office. It was a competetive situation but I wasn't worried about the assets I wanted the location. I think people put too much emphases on rather a person took over an office or came in as a new/new. We were all new/news somewhere. When I began I didn't even have any income gaurantees so I had to sell to eat so I served my time as a new/new even though it wasn't at E.J. I really wasn't trying to start another controversy here and I know there are people that have left and are happy but I also know people at my old company that are happy when I wasn't. My point is I don't critisize them because I left and they still work there. We should all be happy to go to work in the morning and no matter where you are if you're not happy then you should leave. I've made 2 moves in my career and I am the happiest I have ever been and sleep better at night since I have been at Edward Jones. Thanks and have a Merry Christmas!Hey Brian, thanks for your input. Question, did you start new new or did you take over an office?
I am a segment 4 broker at EDJ. I am pro-jones. I think there are a lot of excellent brokers at EDJ and there are excellent brokers at other firms. EDJ is good, but not the only solution.
Brian…Brian.Doug…Brian.Brian.Fess…Brian…Brian…Jim…Brian…Brian…We love that you love Jones. Good Job. Take care and have a good weekend.
What really irks me is the looks I get from some of my old coworkers at EDJ, who believe I sold my soul to the devil when I left. If I am no longer at EDJ, I must have either been forced out or left because I want to sell EIA’s and other worthless crap to little old ladies who don’t know any better.
The ones who don't think I went to the dark side just pity me. They assume I must be working for peanuts at a bank, because they are told over and over that the guys at banks don't get trails (I do) and get lower payouts (total package, I get about 40-45%, depending on the month, plus a 3% match on my 401k). Before I left I discussed the move with an unofficial mentor who was a 15 year vet. He was one of the "good guys" who took a genuine interest in the well being of those of us still struggling. He agreed that if I left I would probably see an immediate bump in my net, but his concern was he had never heard of a bank rep being able to make more than $100,000 a year, even an experienced rep with a mature book. I beat that number in about month 15. I don't think he was trying to mislead me, he just genuinely believed what he was constantly told . . . that there was no better system than the one he was in. That feeling of obvious superiority that many EDJers have is what draws the ire of those who left. Don't worry about my clients, I'm still looking out for their best interests, even if that means I don't get a high enough commission check to put a pool in my backyard this year. And certainly don't pity me, I'm making more money now than I did as an attorney. And don't worry about what happens if the bank pulls the rug out from under me. I'm sure I would lose some clients, but most of the ones I want won't stand for the drop in service they will receive if I am gone. EDJ is an ok place, but not a perfect one, and certainly not the one I want to be at. If they could just acknowledge that there are other systems out there that don't screw their clients, most of the ill will would fade away.I don know...I cry in my pillow at night. I miss the Protective rep giving the same talk but at different locations and Hartford and Lincoln and American Funds and Goldman and Putnam and Federated and Lord Abbott and...well you get it. Oh well..tis Friday adn I'm signing off from outside the cult camp. Everyone (especially Miss Jones) have a great and safe weekend. Goodnight John boy......and for you Jim...I hope your wife picked up some Mousse....
What got me was that in the 15 years at Jones I recruited 9 current FA’s that are still active in the region–mentored at least 7 and did a goodknight plan…when I told the regional leader I didn’t want to do another plan anytime soon–I saw my offering in LP cut in half…I asked about it and was told I should have done another plan! Then when I resigned I only had one FA give me a call at home to wish me luck…some including my goodknight when for my accounts! I live in a very small farming area and I see them quite often and they will go out of their way to avoid me–when I did talk to one of them they said it was a shame I that I let Jones down…that is the reason it is called a cult! Jones won’t let FA’s mix training with other FA’s in due diligence ect…yet since I went Indy I’ve been to meetings where ML, SB, MS, AGE FA’s are there! Is Jim driving the company in the right direction–yes, but let me ask one question. Is it really fair to you remaining FA’s at Jones that most of the profits are taken by the elite GP’s of the firm who also get to pick the elite new GP’s? What if the GP’s only took 30% of the profits instead of 78% or so and place the rest into profit sharing and LP’s wouldn’t that be more fair? In reality–that is what we do in Indy world–we got rid of the GP and placed all rest of that money back into our own pockets—that doesn’t make us evil–it makes since as a business model.
[quote=Roadhard] Then when I resigned I only had one FA give me a call at home to wish me luck…some including my goodknight when for my accounts! I live in a very small farming area and I see them quite often and they will go out of their way to avoid me–when I did talk to one of them they said it was a shame I that I let Jones down…that is the reason it is called a cult! [/quote]
Maybe thats the difference from a rural area and an urban area. I really don’t know. I borrowed a overhead projector from an FA in my region for a 4 week workshop. He left Jones a couple of weeks later to go indy with LPL, he called me and asked me to let him know when I was through with it. When I was done I called and asked him if I could drop it off to him and he said he would swing by my office and get it. Not a big deal.
Why wouldn’t they go after your accounts? Do you refuse to transfer Jones account to your office?
I can somewhat understand why Brian doesn't get it, because they do operate in a way to keep you from contact with the rest of the industry which prevents people from understanding things that Jones does not want them to know about the industry. There were some obvious indications that made me realize that Jones "talks out of both sides of their mouth". The most obvious was the constant pep talks by the regional leader describing how the Jones opportunity was far superior to any other firm or situation. Firms that are that good do not have to continually "sell" their employees, they know!. Another issue was the unfair and ruthless downgrading of people who left. Again, a firm who is not insecure would wish them well , and let them move on. My first clue came early on just before my first summer regional.It happened that my parents 50TH wedding annversary celebration was to take place on the weekend of the regional. My regional leader informed that the meeting was mandatory and I must attend.(the celebration was moved one weekend so I could attend). It was obvious to me at that point that Jones was not family oriented as I had been told. It was especially evident after attending the meeting and hearing nothing of any value or that could not be mailed. There are many other things that I could mention including requiring fund companies to hold Jones only due diligence meetings and forcing us to listen to a representative of the home office spout off about Jones which had nothing to with my goal for attending the meeting. I left Jones for many other reasons, both financial and ethical, but I did know early on that they don't practice what they preach!
[quote=ednomore]
I can somewhat understand why Brian doesn’t get it, because they do operate in a way to keep you from contact with the rest of the industry which prevents people from understanding things that Jones does not want them to know about the industry.[/quote]
Brian worked at AGE and was Indy before Jones.
Henryhill,
You have got to be the most intelligent EDJ rep to post yet. Continue your quest to seg 5 and good luck..Ednomore, I have seen the opposite when it came to family and work.
I called my RL to tell him my son was in a baseball tournament the same time as a summer regional and he said he understood and would fill me in later on what I missed. So maybe that has more to do with different RL's than the company. I have seen several situations with BOA's that amazed me how understanding the company was. Maybe I just got lucky and ended up in a great region but as I've said I am completely happy and have enough experience to know if a company is good or not. In my 1st few years at AGE I felt good but later felt things were changing and as it turned out I was right. I have a great friend that works at AGE in St Louis and he says there is no one happy there right now. He said there are about 20 people left in the research department and they are there packing stuff up. He also said the Wachovia people remind him of standing by a pond that is drying up watching all the fish flopping around with no direction. I hope you all have a great Christmas, no matter who you work for.Brian…you must not be much of a producer, if the truth were known you probably got fired from AGE then tried going indy before the current technology that is used today then came along Jones. Yes you are thankful for them however, the GP’s and other sucka$$'s love your half truth story. I know of no one today who has a good indy business or a solid book at a wirehouse that would ever leave to go to Jones. What is the benefit to those of us that have made it to go to Jones. I recently spoke with a wanna be GP who recruits like crazy for them and I gave the entire directory of all the indys at my firm, phone #'s and emails. That was a year ago and the only people he has pulled in are the failures from wirehouses or banks. Brian you are leaving alot of money on the table over you lifetime. The place stinks and is shrinking brokerwise, they are in denial of the real world. The only thing constant in this world is change. The only thing that changes at Jones is a lower take home of pay. I’m embarrassed to tell people that I had once been an employee. Brian I will pray for you so that you get through depression and get on with your life.
Thanks Outofjail. I’m glad I’m not the lone voice to call out Jones. That is why I report from outside the cult camp and will continue until I die or B spears dies.
Edward Jones is just like any large company in that you have people that love the place ,who hate the place and others who see it as a company trying to be successful in a very competitive marketplace with all the good and bad that comes with it.
The thing I like about EJ is that in most cases if you produce they leave you alone and you can make a very good living. Yes you have to go to your regional meetings but I do like meeting the new FAs and they might not always be the most educational but you do get a chance to see what EJ is doing to be competitive. As far as the EJ haters and lovers if someone is polarized with either to much love or hate you have to discount what they say. No one person or company is perfect and life is what you make it. I prefer to do what I can to be a better advisor by reading these forums and if someone jumps on the love or hate bandwagon I just move onto the next topic.This is the kind of BS I don't understand. I asked a question and all of a sudden I am useless depressed peice of crap that can't think for myself. I did make lots of money and did leave AGE because I WANTED to but you can't understand that so you make un-educated assumptions. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not! I have more money than I ever dreamt I would have and more than enought to call it quits when I decide I don't like it anymore. I live my life for the love of helping my family and others and worshipping God so although money is necessary once you make it your god you are nothing more than a slave. I'm sorry for thinking there was someone on here that could explain the bitterness towards Edward Jones. I am used to dealing with professionals and I have to say it surprises me that there are so many people on this forum that chose to act like 4 year olds. Have a Merry Christmas! Brian PS: Does anyone know if there is a forum where professional reps can share ideas?Brian…you must not be much of a producer, if the truth were known you probably got fired from AGE then tried going indy before the current technology that is used today then came along Jones. Yes you are thankful for them however, the GP’s and other sucka$$'s love your half truth story. I know of no one today who has a good indy business or a solid book at a wirehouse that would ever leave to go to Jones. What is the benefit to those of us that have made it to go to Jones. I recently spoke with a wanna be GP who recruits like crazy for them and I gave the entire directory of all the indys at my firm, phone #'s and emails. That was a year ago and the only people he has pulled in are the failures from wirehouses or banks. Brian you are leaving alot of money on the table over you lifetime. The place stinks and is shrinking brokerwise, they are in denial of the real world. The only thing constant in this world is change. The only thing that changes at Jones is a lower take home of pay. I’m embarrassed to tell people that I had once been an employee. Brian I will pray for you so that you get through depression and get on with your life.
Brian,
The Edward Jones haters are everywhere in this forum. My advise is to just not respond to them. 90% of the people on this forum are here to have real discussions but 10% are here to just bash Edward Jones no matter what the topic is. You could be discussing the weather and they would find some way of blaming Edward Jones for it and then go on to blame Edward Jones for Global Warming. What really bothers me more than anything is they can have their beef with Edward Jones but to start calling EVERYONE that works for or says anything positive about Edward Jones an idiot or loser is beyond me. This is when I realize that their mission is not to help but to somehow make them feel better by putting down others.Thanks Advisorman, that is the best advice I’ve received. I’ve ignored them for a long time since I have been a long time reader of the forum and thought it was time to ask why they are so bitter. Now I realize they are like the kids in school that are so afraid of competition that they tell lies about the other kids to make themselves look better. (or feel better)
I am also starting to think these are people that couldn't make it at Edward Jones so they discourage others from working there.Brian,
You post this and really want to know why people hate Jones. How big was that office you took over?Really Brian, Now I doubt if you did actually work at AG and if you really did make a lot of money because of your comments. You sound more like a newby who just got hired out of college or from a used car lot. Just because someone leaves Jones doesn’t mean we couldn’t make it there. With that logic, it’s clear that because you left AG (if you really did) then you couldn’t make it there. Many of us have left Jones and are extremely successful now as Indys because we got tired of being employees. If you want to be an employee then have a nut, but that’s your choice. You sound just like a GP wanna be…“Jones is the best…Better than the rest…If you don’t work for Jones, you don’t do what’s right for your clients…Jones is Best…Better than the rest…and we know it!!!” So Brian, have a nice life as an employee of Edward Jones and enjoy giving 60+% of YOUR earnings to Jim Weddle and the crew. I wish the best for you!!
I just cannot believe this attitude.
Brian made his own choices based on what he wanted to do. Do you realize when you question someones comments and in the last one accuse Brian of not telling the truth you are showing your own bias and insecurities. What is wrong with leaving AG Edwards? Do you have to be a loser to leave? I don't think so. Also what is wrong with joining Edward Jones? Do you have to be a loser if they hire you? Again there is nothing wrong with that. All you people that accuse people of lying, of being stupid or being a loser because someone made their own choices based on their own needs and desire are the real losers. Your hate and distrust makes you into someone that really cannot be happy no matter how much you tell us all in these forums. How can someone be happy if all that comes out of their mouth is hate, accusations (based on someones question) and derogatory labels. Life is too short so find a new hobby beside "forum bashing" that is not so destructive. The rest of us would like to have discussions where we might find something enlightening and constructive.Truce Boys and Girls, time to take a break…Brian you knew when you started the post it was going to be like this–if you didn’t then you lied when you said you have been following this forum. When you open up a can or worms–don’t be surprise at all the dirt and worms you are going to find in the can.
Roadhard,
You declare a truce and then you accuse Brian of lying. You just do not get it. He asked a FAIR question and then you you all decided he was fair game to find a way to destroy him. Brian is not the problem. It is you guys with your ability to call people liars when all they do is ask a question. If we all decide to STOP asking questions because someone like yourself is going to attack them personally this forum would die. I salute Brian for having the courage to ask.Fellas,
I smell a troll. Advisorman = Brian1960 Jones is what it is, but just like high school, people eventually outgrow them.... Although, I knew a few people that wished they could of stayed in high school forever..... I guess that applies to Jones as well..... To each his own.Fellas,
I smell a jackass. doneWjones = jackass So how does it feel? Did that make you feel good calling me a troll? Is this how adults act? Is this some game that a bunch of Jones haters act like they have some club they are all proud to be a member of? You guys are an embarrassment and you need to move on with your life and forget about Edwards Jones. So you all will know this is NOT Brian but I am someone that is so tired of this petty bashing that goes on in this forum.WOW,
It seems I have touched a nerve. ... Is this how adults act?.... ha ha... I simply said I smelled a troll, I did not outright call you one. However, by your reaction it is obviose that you are a TROLL and I am sorry that I had to be the one to call you out, but it is too obvious not to. So advisorbrian1960, have a wonderful day and please don't let me ruin it for you.... Now go sell some ICA... go on... back to work... TROLL!!![quote=Spaceman Spiff]Man, Brian, do you always walk right up to that hornet’s nest and smack it as hard as you can?
Like I said, quote Spaceman Spiff--You opened yourself up!I just read the message calling advisorman a troll and I know why it upsets him so much because even if you don’t beleive it we both know we are not the same person and it’s frustrating because there is no way to prove it.
Right now I'm sorry I ever signed up for the forum because a few losers have made it useless. I was made to feel stupid for asking a simple question and when I was in school I was always taught that the only stupid question was the one NOT asked. You guys go on believing what you want. To those of you that think I am leaving 60% on the table I applaud you for being able to operate a successful practice without ANY expenses. It must be great to receive 100% of your income and not pay any rent, utilities, wages. Gee I bet you are even exempt from income taxes. I will go on being happy and you can chose to be bitter and it won't change a thing. I'm not going to put you out of business and all your complaining will not put Edward Jones out of business. To those of you that think no one that was successful would ever leave AGE it is apparent you don't realize how much that company has changed over the last few years. I'm not saying it's a bad company, it's just not where I want to be anymore. I also know there are many independents that are happy but I just wanted my life simpler and didn't want to take the time neccesary to keep qualified office staff and pay the expenses each month. Sure I'm leaving some money on the table but to me it's worth it. I understand if it's not worth it for you. Sometimes people are at different ages and priorities are different so I can relate to you not agreeing but I can at least respect your choices. To advisorman: I wish you the best and good luck with these children on the forum. I'm sure if we knew each other we could be friends. (even if you are a troll) lol Thanks and Merry Christmas to all ! BrianSo if you smell a troll and then you imply that the troll is Brian and then you imply I am Brian then who are you smelling?
Also who are the fellas? I would love to see that list. I also hope you are not implying that this whole forum is a bunch of jackasses that enjoy belittling people.Also one more time Brian is a nice guy but I am not Brian and if you “fellas” want to act like jackasses I plan on calling you on it. As you can see I am not as nice as Brian. I am also not leaving for there are still some people on this forum worth talking with.
If I have to put up with the jerks so be it. Brian, hate to see you go but based on how you were treated I truly understand.If these guys and gals get under your skin that much–how are you able to handle life in this business–get a grip on life!
Strange to me how I have to get a grip on life when you guys are the ones accusing people of being liars, losers, kool-aid drinkers, and half a dozen other derogatory names. Do you not have any shame or are you the ones that are the true losers.
Also I am not sure what any of this has to do with handling this business. Also not sure how anyone so full of hate for Edward Jones or anything can be successful. If this is all a joke go to another forum where they might think it is funny. If you are serious then go join a hate club and go commit hate crimes on someone else.Advisorman, You are a Hypocrite!!!
... and for the record I do NOT hate edward jones, so stop assuming so much... or maybe that is your own insecurity and feelings for your employer coming out... you choose to work there, I choose to work elsewhere. You have to live with your decision and I have to live with mine. I do apologize if the answers you are getting here are not what you want, but the answers you want and the truth are two different things. If that makes everyone on here that does not goose step along with you a jackass, then I guess we are all jackasses, but at least we are honest jackasses. So grow some thicker skin or stop posting stupidity. Have a GREAT DAY!!![quote=advisorman]Brian,
You could be discussing the weather and they would find some way of blaming Edward Jones for it and then go on to blame Edward Jones for Global Warming. Man all the methane gas comming from the bull you two are putting out could be conceived as helping with Global Warming... Advisorman, we are getting a kick out of your rants! Spiff and BSpears are leaving this one alone--I could care less if you were a troll! Even I doubt you are one--but you might want to have that prostate check done soon!I wouldn't know where to step in , so I just read and laugh and then laugh and read.
Well I found the group of thugs on this forum. Glad you found me. Not sure what the bull you are talking about but if you guys attack another forum member just because he or she works for Edward Jones or just because you want to be jerks I will be there too.
See you soon.advidsorman,
Man you are falling on your sword here for nothing.
I list quotes from Brian "I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company." and "I am used to dealing with professionals and I have to say it surprises me that there are so many people on this forum that chose to act like 4 year olds." and "I am also starting to think these are people that couldn't make it at Edward Jones so they discourage others from working there." Talk about calling people names and pointing fingers and saying someone is a loser because he or she chooses to leave a firm that you happen to LOVE (for now, that is). Brian is just like every other Jonser who posts here that wants to bash us for leaving, but takes offense, like you do, if we bash back. It's all about where you feel comfortable working and believe that you are doing what is right for your customers, yourself and your family. This guy pushed first and got pushed back, so lighten up and grow some thicker skins or you'll never be able to take all of the rejection you'll get as a Jones Door Knocker. So Brian, and advisorman, you stepped in it so now you've got to smell it.Remember, you work FOR Edward Jones–that’s ok, as a Indy we work for our clients!
[quote=doneWjones]Fellas,
I smell a troll. Advisorman = Brian1960 Jones is what it is, but just like high school, people eventually outgrow them.... Although, I knew a few people that wished they could of stayed in high school forever..... I guess that applies to Jones as well..... To each his own.[/quote] and you call me a hypocrite after posting this message. Man you have no idea what a hypocrite is.[quote=FreeFromJones]
advidsorman,
Man you are falling on your sword here for nothing.
I list quotes from Brian "I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company." and "I am used to dealing with professionals and I have to say it surprises me that there are so many people on this forum that chose to act like 4 year olds." and "I am also starting to think these are people that couldn't make it at Edward Jones so they discourage others from working there." Talk about calling people names and pointing fingers and saying someone is a loser because he or she chooses to leave a firm that you happen to LOVE (for now, that is). Brian is just like every other Jonser who posts here that wants to bash us for leaving, but takes offense, like you do, if we bash back. It's all about where you feel comfortable working and believe that you are doing what is right for your customers, yourself and your family. This guy pushed first and got pushed back, so lighten up and grow some thicker skins or you'll never be able to take all of the rejection you'll get as a Jones Door Knocker. So Brian, and advisorman, you stepped in it so now you've got to smell it. [/quote] I read the same messages and all Brian asked is why and the first thing you guys hit him with is being a loser. That is not pushing back that is called attacking. What gets me is if he does it he is pushing you around. If you guys do it everything is fine. I challenge anyone to read this topic and tell me Brain started this crap. You guys just must be paranoid. He was not giving you a hard time he just asked for you to back off and explain why. The minute I come in and say the same thing you guys call me a troll. There are many people on this forum that have sent me private messages telling me to keep up the heat for many are really tired of your snide remarks and hate messages.[quote=Brian1960].
I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company. This was part of Brian's first post--I hope he isn't going to work for the State Department because it looks and spells like a attack!Roadhard,
Sorry that Brian had an opinion. So how was that an attack? He said "many of you". I never saw the name Roadhard anywhere. Maybe you are not one of the many he was talking about. Maybe your one of the smart ones that had a real good reason but instead of saying "Brian I disagree with you" you said "Welcome Brian--Kool aid kid, welcome to the woodshed! Spiff> have a great weekend!" What an intelligent way to respond to the question. With so many good ways to have a real conversation this is your response. Now you know why so many really hate the way these topics are turn into crap where people actually are afraid to say anything without someone calling them a troll or a kool-aid drinker.[quote=advisorman]Roadhard,
Sorry that Brian had an opinion. So how was that an attack? He said "many of you". I never saw the name Roadhard anywhere. Maybe you are not one of the many he was talking about. Maybe your one of the smart ones that had a real good reason but instead of saying "Brian I disagree with you" you said "Welcome Brian--Kool aid kid, welcome to the woodshed! Spiff> have a great weekend!" What an intelligent way to respond to the question. With so many good ways to have a real conversation this is your response. Now you know why so many really hate the way these topics are turn into crap where people actually are afraid to say anything without someone calling them a troll or a kool-aid drinker.[/quote] boy your sure have an answer for evrybody doncha?[quote=Spaceman Spiff]Man, Brian, do you always walk right up to that hornet’s nest and smack it as hard as you can?
Spiff's one of your guys right? My post followed Spiff's and I said welcome to the Woodshed (The Forum). Now for some information: Because I was at Jones for 15 years--I'm sure you would have to agree that I have many more years at the place than you--not all of us hate the place--I left for reasons already on this post--I still have friends that work there--but you assume that we hate the place just because we left. Speaking of Spiff, he is respected by most of us on this post because he knows how to conduct himself on here and he is a good representative of Edward Jones--he has thick skin and knows how to send the crap back to those of us who deserve it!!! I will go to confession later.Whatever
[quote=Brian1960]I’ve never written to this forum before but have read the messages for awhile and finally decided to say something.
It seems like there are many people that bash Edward Jones because they are no longer there. Many of you would have never been given the chance to be in this industry if it weren't for them giving you the training you received. I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company. I am a guy that spent my first 12 years in the industry with AGE and Indy and have been a Jones for 7 years now and the only regret I have is that I didn't do it sooner. I work less, make more, have great benefits, a BOA that I love, and take two fantastic trips a year. I could not be happier than I am now. I know some of you will try to prove I am wrong and how much better you have it wherever you are but I've been there and know for a fact that Edward Jones is my last stop until I retire. For those of you that feel different, that's fine but I don't make a constant effort to discredit who you work for, so let it go and let's use this forum for the good that it could be.[/quote] Hey, congratulations on finding a home you love. As an independent, I have an equally hard time understanding why you like Jones so much. I've been recruited there several times and out of curiosity, took a look once before I went indy. Work less and make more? In the days of 90%+ indy payouts, that math just doesn't make sense. Great benefits? Sure, I probably pay more for heath insurance, but I'll put over 30K in my solo(K) this year and can invest it in almost anything imagineable (anything that will fit in an LPL brokerage account). I have Thursdays off in the summer and take as many vacation days as I want. Great BOA? My assistant came with me and if anything, is more dedicated now than when I was an employee. Two trips a year? I go to a quality national each summer (last summer was in Boston and had keynote speakers such as former president George Bush and music by Chicago and members of the Eagles. The year before, it was San Diego, Tom Brokaw, Kool & the Gang and Kenny Loggins). I get great LEARNING sessions (not pep sessions) that often are also continuing education credit for insurance, CPA and CFP licenses. I'm not quite big enough for the second company trip, but with the extra 30% (about $100K this year) I make over my captive days, I can take several nice trips to where I want to go, and when I want to go. Beyond that, I have greater product availability, better technology and more freedom. I'm equally convinced that I will retire as an independent and am just as baffled as you are...although admittedly about different things. You are in a decided minority that have tasted true freedom and choose to return to captivity. I'm glad you're happy...really...I am.[quote=advisorman][quote=FreeFromJones]
advidsorman,
Man you are falling on your sword here for nothing.
I list quotes from Brian "I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company." and "I am used to dealing with professionals and I have to say it surprises me that there are so many people on this forum that chose to act like 4 year olds." and "I am also starting to think these are people that couldn't make it at Edward Jones so they discourage others from working there." Talk about calling people names and pointing fingers and saying someone is a loser because he or she chooses to leave a firm that you happen to LOVE (for now, that is). Brian is just like every other Jonser who posts here that wants to bash us for leaving, but takes offense, like you do, if we bash back. It's all about where you feel comfortable working and believe that you are doing what is right for your customers, yourself and your family. This guy pushed first and got pushed back, so lighten up and grow some thicker skins or you'll never be able to take all of the rejection you'll get as a Jones Door Knocker. So Brian, and advisorman, you stepped in it so now you've got to smell it. [/quote] I read the same messages and all Brian asked is why and the first thing you guys hit him with is being a loser. That is not pushing back that is called attacking. What gets me is if he does it he is pushing you around. If you guys do it everything is fine. I challenge anyone to read this topic and tell me Brain started this crap. You guys just must be paranoid. He was not giving you a hard time he just asked for you to back off and explain why. The minute I come in and say the same thing you guys call me a troll. There are many people on this forum that have sent me private messages telling me to keep up the heat for many are really tired of your snide remarks and hate messages. [/quote]Advisorman- Brian did start this crap. As many know I'm a long time active forum participant. I had a reaction to this thread right from the start but I've been busy, so I decided to sit back and let it develop whilst I got some work done.
My initial reaction stands-Brian may have been factually correct with some of his comments, but he's also pretty dam self-righteous. Some folks may have been less than professional in their responses, but he's been pretty arrogant.
Hey look, if he's really that happy, great. But when he starts demeaning those who don't see it his way, or suggesting that folks who left Jones are generally failing and can't get back in, he's a fool if he doesn't expect a response.
There are HUGE differences between him and Spiff. HUGE. For one, I like Spiffy.....
[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=advisorman][quote=FreeFromJones]
advidsorman,
Man you are falling on your sword here for nothing.
I list quotes from Brian "I think many of you can't accept the fact that you made a mistake leaving so you try to justify it to yourself by trying to convince others that Edward Jones is some how an inferior company." and "I am used to dealing with professionals and I have to say it surprises me that there are so many people on this forum that chose to act like 4 year olds." and "I am also starting to think these are people that couldn't make it at Edward Jones so they discourage others from working there." Talk about calling people names and pointing fingers and saying someone is a loser because he or she chooses to leave a firm that you happen to LOVE (for now, that is). Brian is just like every other Jonser who posts here that wants to bash us for leaving, but takes offense, like you do, if we bash back. It's all about where you feel comfortable working and believe that you are doing what is right for your customers, yourself and your family. This guy pushed first and got pushed back, so lighten up and grow some thicker skins or you'll never be able to take all of the rejection you'll get as a Jones Door Knocker. So Brian, and advisorman, you stepped in it so now you've got to smell it. [/quote] I read the same messages and all Brian asked is why and the first thing you guys hit him with is being a loser. That is not pushing back that is called attacking. What gets me is if he does it he is pushing you around. If you guys do it everything is fine. I challenge anyone to read this topic and tell me Brain started this crap. You guys just must be paranoid. He was not giving you a hard time he just asked for you to back off and explain why. The minute I come in and say the same thing you guys call me a troll. There are many people on this forum that have sent me private messages telling me to keep up the heat for many are really tired of your snide remarks and hate messages. [/quote]Advisorman- Brian did start this crap. As many know I'm a long time active forum participant. I had a reaction to this thread right from the start but I've been busy, so I decided to sit back and let it develop whilst I got some work done.
My initial reaction stands-Brian may have been factually correct with some of his comments, but he's also pretty dam self-righteous. Some folks may have been less than professional in their responses, but he's been pretty arrogant.
Hey look, if he's really that happy, great. But when he starts demeaning those who don't see it his way, or suggesting that folks who left Jones are generally failing and can't get back in, he's a fool if he doesn't expect a response.
There are HUGE differences between him and Spiff. HUGE. For one, I like Spiffy.....
[/quote] I have been reading this forum for quite a while and Brian's comments were in direct response to all the people out there that attack everyone that works for Edward Jones or even says something positive about the firm. Compliancejerk actually followed every comment I made and tried to trash it yesterday. In the real world this would be a hate crime. Also you Indy guys (and I mean some not all) take the cake for being self-righteous. I think it great that you guys are Indy and if you ever read my comments I say that but in return I am called a loser, a liar and a kool-aid drinker. You must agree that there is a small group out there that have decided to RUN this forum by intimidation and by treating Edward Jones people like crap. It really has run off many people that could really be helping. So again this did not start with Brian's question and unfortunately it will not end either. All I am asking is we need to let everyone talk and state their question or opinion without being attacked for who they work for.
Advisorman- Brian and whomever this applies…
I think the key to the EDJ bashers is to just not give a shit what they say. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have just decided that it isn't going to change the way I look at my firm. I know that everyone walks away from an experience with a different vantage point. I couldn't care less if eveyone on this board hated EDJ. Their views and opinions don't effect me! Try and not let it bother you. Who cares what Compliance Jerk says.. He was a jerk to me not so long ago and then we PM'ed back and forth and have no issues now.. He is after all a self proclaimed JERK! You know what you are getting when a guy lists his screen name like that.. He used to work at Jones and has issues with them.. Guess what? He is entitled to them.. - Like I said before.. Who cares? I sure don't! Miss Jthank you Miss Jones (I really mean it)
Yep I'm a Compliance Jerk I admit it. Yes I have a grudge against your employer. I also have a problem with people blindly following others. Look what it got Mrs. Jim Jones!! quote from Advisorman, " Also you Indy guys (and I mean some not all) take the cake for being self-righteous." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black ... an Jonestown inhabitant calling others self-righteous. Advisorman....yep you're a legend in your own mind. Your are a newbie poster with 41 posts and the people that run this forum provide a wonderful search tool to search by topic or poster ..... how simple is that?[quote=compliancejerk]thank you Miss Jones (I really mean it)
Yep I'm a Compliance Jerk I admit it. Yes I have a grudge against your employer. I also have a problem with people blindly following others. Look what it got Mrs. Jim Jones!! quote from Advisorman, " Also you Indy guys (and I mean some not all) take the cake for being self-righteous." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black ... an Jonestown inhabitant calling others self-righteous. Advisorman....yep you're a legend in your own mind. Your are a newbie poster with 41 posts and the people that run this forum provide a wonderful search tool to search by topic or poster ..... how simple is that?[/quote]So you're presuming because he has 41 posts under this name that he's a newbie poster?
[quote=MISS JONES]Advisorman- Brian and whomever this applies…
I think the key to the EDJ bashers is to just not give a shit what they say. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have just decided that it isn't going to change the way I look at my firm. I know that everyone walks away from an experience with a different vantage point. I couldn't care less if eveyone on this board hated EDJ. Their views and opinions don't effect me! Try and not let it bother you. Who cares what Compliance Jerk says.. He was a jerk to me not so long ago and then we PM'ed back and forth and have no issues now.. He is after all a self proclaimed JERK! You know what you are getting when a guy lists his screen name like that.. He used to work at Jones and has issues with them.. Guess what? He is entitled to them.. - Like I said before.. Who cares? I sure don't! Miss J[/quote] Miss Jones, I agree there is nothing I am going to say that is going to change their behavior but as they run more people off the forum with their "Hate" and "Belittle" message I think we have to at least say stop. I would really respect their opinion and if done with respect for others I do. I think the ones that have gone Indy are great. I have been self employed most of my life and it has many benefits but there are also benefits working at Edward Jones too. I will do what I can to not respond to jerks but I am not going to let them run new people off just because they work for Edward Jones.These posts sound a lot like, what was her name, Nancy, or something like that. All about hate and bullies and how our opinions belittle others. Advisorman, when someone calls us losers for leaving the cult, we have the right to defend ourselves. I guess someone calling us losers isn’t hate speech. You sound like a typical liberal, if you disagree with me that’s your choice, but if I disagree with you then I’m being hateful and close-minded. 42 posts in 4 days = 10 per day. You really need to be working and making sales so you can get paid 38% because if you don’t you’ll end up on goals and then we know where you’ll be. Go back to work and stop trying to defend someone who walked into the fray. If Brian is in fact a long time reader, he knows what types of responses he would get, because they’ve been posted before. Maybe Brian is bspears and just wanted to get the fur flying again. Bspears, shame on you for having fun at other peoples expense. I feel better now, goodbye!!
[quote=advisorman][quote=MISS JONES]Advisorman- Brian and whomever this applies…
I think the key to the EDJ bashers is to just not give a shit what they say. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have just decided that it isn't going to change the way I look at my firm. I know that everyone walks away from an experience with a different vantage point. I couldn't care less if eveyone on this board hated EDJ. Their views and opinions don't effect me! Try and not let it bother you. Who cares what Compliance Jerk says.. He was a jerk to me not so long ago and then we PM'ed back and forth and have no issues now.. He is after all a self proclaimed JERK! You know what you are getting when a guy lists his screen name like that.. He used to work at Jones and has issues with them.. Guess what? He is entitled to them.. - Like I said before.. Who cares? I sure don't! Miss J[/quote] Miss Jones, I agree there is nothing I am going to say that is going to change their behavior but as they run more people off the forum with their "Hate" and "Belittle" message I think we have to at least say stop. I would really respect their opinion and if done with respect for others I do. I think the ones that have gone Indy are great. I have been self employed most of my life and it has many benefits but there are also benefits working at Edward Jones too. I will do what I can to not respond to jerks but I am not going to let them run new people off just because they work for Edward Jones.[/quote]Hey…now wait. I have no horse in this race. I run under one name and one name only…BSPEARS (the great)…I could go on and on and on about the whole righteousness issue but choose not to…to busy with other things. I can only add…Jones sucks…IMHO
[quote=compliancejerk][quote=advisorman][quote=MISS JONES]Advisorman- Brian and whomever this applies…
I think the key to the EDJ bashers is to just not give a shit what they say. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have just decided that it isn't going to change the way I look at my firm. I know that everyone walks away from an experience with a different vantage point. I couldn't care less if eveyone on this board hated EDJ. Their views and opinions don't effect me! Try and not let it bother you. Who cares what Compliance Jerk says.. He was a jerk to me not so long ago and then we PM'ed back and forth and have no issues now.. He is after all a self proclaimed JERK! You know what you are getting when a guy lists his screen name like that.. He used to work at Jones and has issues with them.. Guess what? He is entitled to them.. - Like I said before.. Who cares? I sure don't! Miss J[/quote] Miss Jones, I agree there is nothing I am going to say that is going to change their behavior but as they run more people off the forum with their "Hate" and "Belittle" message I think we have to at least say stop. I would really respect their opinion and if done with respect for others I do. I think the ones that have gone Indy are great. I have been self employed most of my life and it has many benefits but there are also benefits working at Edward Jones too. I will do what I can to not respond to jerks but I am not going to let them run new people off just because they work for Edward Jones.[/quote] [/quote]Advisorman-
No one is running anyone off, but when someone such as yourself gets on here and starts spreading their regergitated BS, they are going to get called out and taken to task over it. I am indy, but I don't start a post proclaiming how being indy is the best and if you choose to do it another way such as Jones, wire, bank, etc you wouldn't or couldn't cut it as Indy anyway. --- you see that is obserd! If I did say that I would get taken to task the same way you have been taken to task here. And, If spears, Indyone, joe, etc came in and tried to defend me, they would get taken to the woodshed as well. Alot of us (Jones and ex-jones alike) poke each other. Take Spiff for example, we probably disagree on alot as it involves jones, which I might add is mostly a matter of opinion. - (I am sure there is a thread on here somewhere of us going at it a time or two) Spiff is still at jones and defends them for the most part where warranted, but when something is truly crap he does not touch it, let alone defend it. In fact that seems evident in his lack of posting on this particular topic, but I don't want to put words in his mouth, so spiff, please pipe up if I am wrong. You see when you keep regergitating the same crap that myself and everyone who was at jones before you heard at every regional meeting/pow wow regarding how good the koolaid is and how those that left "just couldn't make it at jones" which is what my regional leader and his cronies said about every broker that left to go elsewhere, including the segment 4 guy that was in a leadership position in our region at the time he left; you lose all credibility and moreso look like the village idiot. Have a great day.It seems to me that a logical person would work at an employer when their marginal benefit exceeded their marginal cost.
As long as you are getting more out of your employer than your employer is getting out of you, you should be happy. Of course, some people are just ignorant. They assume that everything in life is one size fits all; that all decisions are black and white. What is best for one person is ultimately best for everybody. Peoples decisions are based on logic, although logical reasoning is subjective. Some advisors put every client into the same product. One size fits all. Is anybody who does differently wrong? Some people are naive and it causes them to stereotype an entire race, industry, or company. Arguing ones point serves one or both of two basic end desires: to strengthen ones view or to change someone elses. To some, it is only possible to confirm their own decisions by getting others to agree with them. It appears that the topic of EJ is therapeutic for some.I can’t believe anyone would say I’m arrogant. I am one of the nicest guys I know. If you don’t believe me ask my mom, wife, kids, and dog. They all think I am great!
Merry Christmas Brian.Merry Christmas to you Brian and your family! That being said–if your purpose was to start your first post going on the attack–congrats, you did it! I’m glad you are happy at Edward Jones, I was there a long time–I’m happy that I left and you and advisorman are happy you are there. See we are all happy!
ME Jones
[quote=Roadhard]Merry Christmas to you Brian and your family! That being said–if your purpose was to start your first post going on the attack–congrats, you did it! I’m glad you are happy at Edward Jones, I was there a long time–I’m happy that I left and you and advisorman are happy you are there. See we are all happy!
[/quote]So is that like getting a happy ending?
[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=Roadhard]Merry Christmas to you Brian and your family! That being said–if your purpose was to start your first post going on the attack–congrats, you did it! I’m glad you are happy at Edward Jones, I was there a long time–I’m happy that I left and you and advisorman are happy you are there. See we are all happy!
[/quote]So is that like getting a happy ending?
[/quote] That's good enough for me! But believe it or not my intentions weren't too start a big conflict and I guess I should have left the part out, about people that didn't make it at Jones. That's hindsight and now I know. Sorry to anyone I offended. Brian
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