ML "vacation time" for advisors

[quote=kap39]

I know there was a similar thread a few months ago, but it doesn't really address my specific question.  I wanted to see if anyone here knows anything before I bring it up with my manager...

I'm not really understanding how this 'vacation time' works at ML for FA's...my manager mentioned before that vacation time "doesn't really apply" but has also said that it's ok to take some vacation (example, I will be out of town later this month and be out for a day, which he said was no problem).  So now I'm slightly confused...is there just no set amount of vacation time allotted to fa's the way other ML employees are given (3 weeks/4 personal days/blah blah blah) and you take it as you see fit??  I obviously don't plan on taking a whole lot of time off in the first few years, but would like to understand this seemingly informal system a little better.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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vacation time?! if you want vacation time go teach 3rd grade public school. we want winners here!

[quote=Vin Diesel] [quote=kap39]

I know there was a similar thread a few months ago, but it doesn’t really address my specific question. I wanted to see if anyone here knows anything before I bring it up with my manager…

I’m not really understanding how this ‘vacation time’ works at ML for FA’s…my manager mentioned before that vacation time “doesn’t really apply” but has also said that it’s ok to take some vacation (example, I will be out of town later this month and be out for a day, which he said was no problem). So now I’m slightly confused…is there just no set amount of vacation time allotted to fa’s the way other ML employees are given (3 weeks/4 personal days/blah blah blah) and you take it as you see fit?? I obviously don’t plan on taking a whole lot of time off in the first few years, but would like to understand this seemingly informal system a little better.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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vacation time?! if you want vacation time go teach 3rd grade public school. we want winners here!

[quote=Oldproducer] [quote=Vin Diesel] [quote=kap39]

I know there was a similar thread a few months ago, but it doesn't really address my specific question.  I wanted to see if anyone here knows anything before I bring it up with my manager...

I'm not really understanding how this 'vacation time' works at ML for FA's...my manager mentioned before that vacation time "doesn't really apply" but has also said that it's ok to take some vacation (example, I will be out of town later this month and be out for a day, which he said was no problem).  So now I'm slightly confused...is there just no set amount of vacation time allotted to fa's the way other ML employees are given (3 weeks/4 personal days/blah blah blah) and you take it as you see fit??  I obviously don't plan on taking a whole lot of time off in the first few years, but would like to understand this seemingly informal system a little better.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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vacation time?! if you want vacation time go teach 3rd grade public school. we want winners here!

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Or just become a banker, oops, bank rep. Then you won't have to work to build your book, can take as much time off as you want, and will be one of the best in the industry! Oh yeah, there is also that awesome pay and independence, not having to answer to anyone but yourself![/quote]

[quote=Oldproducer] [quote=Vin Diesel] [quote=kap39]

I know there was a similar thread a few months ago, but it doesn't really address my specific question.  I wanted to see if anyone here knows anything before I bring it up with my manager...

I'm not really understanding how this 'vacation time' works at ML for FA's...my manager mentioned before that vacation time "doesn't really apply" but has also said that it's ok to take some vacation (example, I will be out of town later this month and be out for a day, which he said was no problem).  So now I'm slightly confused...is there just no set amount of vacation time allotted to fa's the way other ML employees are given (3 weeks/4 personal days/blah blah blah) and you take it as you see fit??  I obviously don't plan on taking a whole lot of time off in the first few years, but would like to understand this seemingly informal system a little better.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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vacation time?! if you want vacation time go teach 3rd grade public school. we want winners here!

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Or just become a banker, oops, bank rep. Then you won't have to work to build your book, can take as much time off as you want, and will be one of the best in the industry! Oh yeah, there is also that awesome pay and independence, not having to answer to anyone but yourself![/quote] What Old says is only partly true.   We can take time off as we see fit but as in any sales job time away from the office will impact your production.   I can take as much time off as I need but I try to schedule my vacations in my trail months so I know I will have good production even if I take a week of or two during the month.    I do have to respectfully disagree that even in the bank world we DO still have ot build our book but everything else he/she said was almost spot on.  Good job!

scrim

You get paid to produce, not to put in hours.  Make your numbers and you can work 1 day a year.  Don't make them and you'd better be the first one in and the last one out if you want to succeed.

Posts like yours tend to be worrisome because it shows an employee mentality.  To succeed, you'll need an employer mentality.

[quote=anonymous]

You get paid to produce, not to put in
hours.  Make your numbers and you can work 1 day a
year.  Don’t make them and you’d better be the first one in and
the last one out if you want to succeed.

Posts like yours tend to be worrisome because it shows an employee mentality.  To succeed, you'll need an employer mentality[/quote]

At ML you want a slave mentality.

$15M in 2years or the dog gets it.

Just to clarify, as I stated in my original post, I'm not expecting to actually take vacation these first few years as I do understand that any time I take off will directly (negatively) impact my production. Got it...no need to keep beating the subject.

That wasn't really my question, I'm more looking for anyone who knows how the system works at ML. Thanks!

[quote=kap39]

Just to clarify, as I stated in my original post, I'm not expecting to actually take vacation these first few years as I do understand that any time I take off will directly (negatively) impact my production. Got it...no need to keep beating the subject.

That wasn't really my question, I'm more looking for anyone who knows how the system works at ML. Thanks!

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I'm curious...why did you accept a job without knowing how "the system" works? Does that sound stupid to you?

I apologize, I’m obviously not phrasing my questions correctly.  Being new to the industry, I was aware that the typical ‘employee’ structure of vacation time/personal days/sick days don’t really apply, and that was discussed at the time I accepted my offer.  However, I didn’t want to press more into how exactly that works and what it meant in terms of when you do need to take time off since I didn’t want to come off (as I seem to be now) like it was a really important issue and I wasn’t willing to work as hard as I am. So no, it doesn’t seem stupid to me because this industry works differently than every other company I’ve had experience with and I’m not sure how I could be expected to totally understand everything before even starting.  I did a good amount of research and talking to people in the industry but cultures and informal systems vary from company to company and often branch to branch.  I was just looking for some insight from someone who has been in my shoes.

Why are any of you giving Hull the time of day?

Lets look at some facts:

He has posted 729 times since March 13. That is almost 9 times a day (including weekends) If you exclude weekends he posts almost 13 times a day.

Do you really think he is the big closer he likes to talk about?

Think about it. If you posted on here 10 times a day, how much time would you have to be Mr. Prospector? He has no credibilty and I am tired of him taking good threads and degrading them to this drivel.

It would be best to just not answer him. It is obvious he is someone that doesn't have a job, or has one that he does not like and is not good at. Just leave him alone, he will go away.

I am still in the interview process but can someone provide me a good description of how trailing works? Based on reading an obove post, I am assuming a trail comes in the month the original account was obtained? Any help is greatly appreciated.

[quote=NYBankRep]

Why are any of you giving Hull the time of day?

Lets look at some facts:

He has posted 729 times since March 13. That is almost 9 times a day (including weekends) If you exclude weekends he posts almost 13 times a day.

Do you really think he is the big closer he likes to talk about?

Think about it. If you posted on here 10 times a day, how much time would you have to be Mr. Prospector? He has no credibilty and I am tired of him taking good threads and degrading them to this drivel.

It would be best to just not answer him. It is obvious he is someone that doesn't have a job, or has one that he does not like and is not good at. Just leave him alone, he will go away.

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He takes the bait again.

[quote=NYBankRep]

Why are any of you giving Hull the time of day?

Lets look at some facts:

He has posted 729 times since March 13. That is almost 9 times a day (including weekends) If you exclude weekends he posts almost 13 times a day.

Do you really think he is the big closer he likes to talk about?

Think about it. If you posted on here 10 times a day, how much time would you have to be Mr. Prospector? He has no credibilty and I am tired of him taking good threads and degrading them to this drivel.

It would be best to just not answer him. It is obvious he is someone that doesn't have a job, or has one that he does not like and is not good at. Just leave him alone, he will go away.

[quote=kap39] I did a good amount of research and talking to people in
the industry but cultures and informal systems vary from company to
company and often branch to branch.  I was just looking for some
insight from someone who has been in my shoes.[/quote]



Cap, you can take reasonable amounts of time off, as you would like. There isn’t a formal policy about it.



However, its doubtful that anyone takes time off, b/c of the heavy production requirements.

[quote=kap39]I apologize, I'm obviously not phrasing my questions correctly.  Being new to the industry, I was aware that the typical 'employee' structure of vacation time/personal days/sick days don't really apply, and that was discussed at the time I accepted my offer.  However, I didn't want to press more into how exactly that works and what it meant in terms of when you do need to take time off since I didn't want to come off (as I seem to be now) like it was a really important issue and I wasn't willing to work as hard as I am. So no, it doesn't seem stupid to me because this industry works differently than every other company I've had experience with and I'm not sure how I could be expected to totally understand everything before even starting.  I did a good amount of research and talking to people in the industry but cultures and informal systems vary from company to company and often branch to branch.  I was just looking for some insight from someone who has been in my shoes.[/quote]

NO VACATION TIME until you complete the program.

Do what you want, it is your career.  If taking every other week off is what you want then do it.  Just remember if you are not producing you will get fired, fast.  I can also promise you that if you closed 10 million in a week and then took a two week vacation, there is not a manager in the firm that would stop you.  That is the great thing about this job, you decide how hard you work, and how successful you are going to be.

I was a ML trainee a few years ago and took at least a few weeks of
vacation each year.  As long as I was at “Far Exceeds” in the old
PDP program the branch manager never said anything.  I am at
AGE/WB now and usually take from four to six weeks.  I try to tak
time off in fee months and trail months.  If you are making the
numbers and growing the book you can come in when you want.  If
you are slow to grow, you better stay in the office.

[quote=joedabrkr]

Exactly what is wrong with BH's post on this thread?  Frankly I thought he made a rather astute observation.

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The person operating under the name Bobby Hull longs for attention, so he engages in a practice known as "trolling" - he regularly insults and behaves rudely to contributors with legitimate questions in the hopes of getting multiple responses. His behavior, like that of all trolls, lowers the general level of discourse in this forum and encourages others to behave cruelly, write irresponsibly or to troll themselves.

He has had countless usernames before this one - Put Trader, NASD Newbie and has been repeatedly sanctioned by the moderators - forcing him to change his username several times. He will also operate with multiple usernames, so that he can attempt to manipulate the thread's dynamics, by making it appear that other members agree with him. Over time, his posts have become increasingly bitter and frustrated. There was once a brief period of time when he seemed to want to be taken more seriously.

I understand why you might be inclined to give him a pass - to a certain degree, there are two Bobbys (or Nastys or Putsys) - one that behaves like a juvenile and another who very occasionally produces acute observations. But his behavior, on balance, has built up so much bad blood and created so much ill will, that I think he should be classified as "irredeemable” and ignored, regardless of whether it’s one of his exceptional non-venomous posts (admittedly, I’m clearly not ignoring him now.)

The sad part is that he clearly has a fair amount of industry knowledge. As far as I can tell, he was some kind of lower level management type with a second tier brokerage in NYC for several years before retiring in 2000 or so. While his level of industry knowledge is no where near where he thinks it is, he has written some useful and insightful comments (although very few as of late). Too bad that the good is so eclipsed by the poison. He could have been one of the leaders of this online community (a position he so clearly longs for, despite what he'll tell you).

Sorry, San Fran, you’ve got it wrong.  BH is not Put Trader. 

[quote=NYBankRep]

Why are any of you giving Hull the time of day?

Lets look at some facts:

He has posted 729 times since March 13. That is almost 9 times a day (including weekends) If you exclude weekends he posts almost 13 times a day.

Do you really think he is the big closer he likes to talk about?

Think about it. If you posted on here 10 times a day, how much time would you have to be Mr. Prospector? He has no credibilty and I am tired of him taking good threads and degrading them to this drivel.

It would be best to just not answer him. It is obvious he is someone that doesn't have a job, or has one that he does not like and is not good at. Just leave him alone, he will go away.

NY and San Fran, well said.

It kind of blows me away that Joe the Broker feels a need to defend Bobby. It feels really dysfunctional.

No!  More than one person OBVIOUSLY echos the same opinion, acidic moron.

entertained???

Only acidic morons are entertained by other acidic morons.  You are not only a moron, you are an acidic moron!  You allow him to act this way because you are this way yourself, acidic moron!

I echo that.

[quote=razeurgame]

NY and San Fran, well said.

It kind of blows me away that Joe the Broker feels a need to defend Bobby. It feels really dysfunctional.

I echo that, acidic morons at work here!~

Acidic

Acidic morons feed off of other acidic morons

they cluster and feed

and brownnose each other

and feed some more

till the acidic morons are fully infected with acidicity that they can spread and spread the infection.

Do they get their dr's permission before infecting others with this disease?  Nope, just like the TB guy, they fly anyway, no concern with spreading the acidity infection throughout the entire Registered Rep Forum: Acidity Morons At Work!

I echo that.

It appears to me that parachute is back again in her latest incarnation.

Exactly what is wrong with BH's post on this thread?  Frankly I thought he made a rather astute observation.

Bobby posts some rather acidic commentary and occasionally juvenile humor, but frankly I find it entertaining.  He also adds some useful information at times, too.

Now go back and read Bobby's posts here. He attacks and name calls. You know exactly what I am talking about. Are you just patronizing my comment here for your own amusement?

[quote=razeurgame]

Exactly what is wrong with BH’s post on this thread?  Frankly I thought he made a rather astute observation.

Bobby posts some rather acidic commentary and occasionally juvenile humor, but frankly I find it entertaining.  He also adds some useful information at times, too.

Now go back and read Bobby's posts here. He attacks and name calls. You know exactly what I am talking about. Are you just patronizing my comment here for your own amusement?

That's too bad you feel that way.

It's not just this thread!  Your acidity moroness is beyond compare - in fact, you echo the same acidity moroness of BH.  You also echo the same offensive acidity in your posts as well and then pretend you are a normal human with no intention to hurt others.  I don't buy it and neither does regurgitate.

Hilarious?  Only an acid clone of BH's would find him hilarious.

You are an acidity moron who finds sarcastic, demeaning drivel entertaining and hilarious.  You reside in Camp Acidity Moronville!

I echo that - you are a mean spirited acidiotic moron who enjoys and encourages as well as partake in this acidiotic behavior yourself.

JDBKR not calling him on his behavior proves that you are just like the acidic BH - and others have been infected with this disease. 

This site has been infected with this acidity virus.  It needs to be disinfected!  I echo that!!!!! 

Ms. Chute:

I thought we agreed you would play nicely.

[quote=echo]

This site has been infected with this acidity virus.  It needs to be disinfected!  I echo that!!! 

[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=echo]

This site has been infected with this acidity virus.  It needs to be disinfected!  I echo that!!!!! 

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In all honesty this is getting very tiresome.  I'm starting to see why some other boards are 'closed' to the general public.  I am honestly starting to think I'm wasting my time and effort here.
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Bring on the TGP format......please

Ms. Chute doesn't live here anymore.

Tiresome!  Trying to teach you boy, you ain't acting right-thinking that it's ok to do that is wrong, boy, didn't your mama teach you anything: where's your manners, boy!  You seem schooled using those rootin tootin fandangled words that you seem to think you can convince others that you can write your way out of a paper sack. Just wanting you to see the err of your ways, Boy!  Why say it's ok to be infected with that behavior: treating others badly is hillarious and funny - well, not if it's a happening to you, Peepsqueek.

Straighten up now!  You hear!  Don't be a rollin around in the same infectious mudd puddle as that BH - when you do that you are saying you are from the same mold as that evil doer.

play nice!  I echo that.

You is busted, JDBRKR: you are becoming the company you keep.

Don't ya pretend that ya don't know what I am talkin about!

 don't be talkin any more of that s*ht here:

EVERYONE who has any sense of decency at all have called this BH on his bad ways ...and then, you support him...

all 'cause he hasn't attacked you yet!

I suppose you would laugh if he also hit a small child and left the scene of an accident, too..as long as he said "yep, the kid took the bait!"!  You seem to agree with his bad behavior and that makes you just as bad, brkr boy.

BH should be banned. Thinks he can pull the wool over our eyes with a few good posts - nope, a little bit of poison spoils the entire pot of porridge - he might have one good apple but he's basically a rotten crate of apples, infected through and through - you entertained by this, think this behavior is halirous!

Other posters are finally sickened by this and can't stand it:  this BH makes me want to puke.

He needs to be given the finger and told to hit the road: come back with a new name and quit being so nasty!  He needs to re-engineer that evil mind of his.  His sarcastic derivel might amuse you and your twin, Pratotell but no one else is entertained or find him hilarious.

It's you Brkr who should insist on higher standards and if others find him offensive as many do, call him on his bad behavior.  He would be better off logging in under new name and playing nice.

That goes for you, too!  Play nice: stop the acidic droning and being holier than thou thinking you are the only one who is right.  Wrong: you are not right.

Quit your lollygagging just because he brownnoses you.  You must have higher standards and stop being a juvenile, brkr boy.  Do it now before it's too late.

Quit getting your kicks from being mean & cruel to others.  

Others respect you as a poster UNTIL .... you seem to agree with this behavior.  Then it's evident, you must be cut from the same cloth, showing your true colors.  For shame!  For Shame!

 broker boy!  Or you're going to be in a heep of trouble with the big kahuna, the big CEO who owns the mother of all the Gold who makes your little Smith Barney look like a minature bobblehead Barney Fife!  You must have higher standards, JOE THE BROKER.  no more warnings!

I echo that:

 typo

her'es a corrriction of this:"Wrong: you are not right."

Meant to say:  Right:  you are wrong!

  I echothat!

Hi all.

Just in case any of you had any doubts, echo is the latest incarnation of parachute/goforbroke/4luvofmoney/etc.  I forget all her other names.

She’s stayed away from the board for almost 9 hours since the latest time she said “goodbye forever”.  This is a new record and must have taken an incredible amount of willpower for her.  OR maybe she was just at work at her temp job.

Either way, we should all be proud of her having so much newfound will power!

Welcome back oh troll.  We missed you so much!

[quote=FreedomAdvocate]

You agree not to use this forum to post any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.

[/quote]

Since you are brand new and never posted here I'll cut you some slack, I did however want to repost something from my bestest friend FreedomAdvocate. 

In the future you may want to follow these rules so you can continue to post you're talented insight. 

Beg your pardon.  I am only me, yes siree and not any body else.

Did I breaks any rules of this here site - no not I.  Oh, "moron" yep, you can easily pick up bad habits.  I'm pleading with this Joedabrkr feller to not hang around with the bad blood on this site.

If he likes flaming, go to the flame site that whomit mentioned - it is simply appalling how this little boy doesn't take a stand against this BH - maybe he thinks BH is his long lost daddy or something and when BH posts, the broker feller thinks BH is saying "this is your pappie now do's like I taught you and applaud any sarcastic evil doing I do on this site just like I taught praytellman right after I kicked him real good first!  Otherwise, I'll punish yu boy with the same filth that I've posted here for others: you want that! that's what I'll do to you! Listen to pappey-remember use words like "entertaining and hilarious" yep...that's right!"    

learn how to spell, moron!  "your" insight w/ spelling aint so good.

A little self-righteous are we boys?

Will power:  Can't you have manners for at least a day, either way, that would be a record for you, Boy!  I have faith: c'mon give it a whirl.

You mustn't support the nastiness of that BH- lookin out fer ya own welfare boy.

SEVERAL people have said how bad his behavior is and you jest don't git it, do you Boy!  Straighten up!  Stop the infection. 

I echo that!

Echo - Did your mother smoke crack before you were born? Too bad.

[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=echo]

This site has been infected with this acidity virus.  It needs to be disinfected!  I echo that!!!!! 

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Yes I agree....this bulletin board has been infected with newby trolls who seem to feel they have the right to sit in judgment of our behavior.  It would seem to me that most of the folks who are complaining that we 'don't play nicely' are these mysterious newbies who registered in the last 30 days with a very low post count.

In all honesty this is getting very tiresome.  I'm starting to see why some other boards are 'closed' to the general public.  I am honestly starting to think I'm wasting my time and effort here.
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Joe,

Obviously you have a problem with dates. I have been on here since March (more than 30 days) and have been in this business for 22 years.

The thing that is tiresome is when a good thread gets going and folks try to have a spirited discussion, some posters get on and ruin the thread. Normally it is BH. I do not have an issue with your posts for the most part.

There are some posters and readers that would actually like to share info and learn from the experieince of others. Apparently you are not one of them.

I read many of the posts until they get degraded and ruined (normally by the infant BH). Some start out good Some are pointless, but all turn into crap once the anal posters and their idiotic comments start.

I really don't see the point in it.

I totally agree, NY. Well said.

I'll defend BH.

I'm curious...why did you accept a job without knowing how "the system" works? Does that sound stupid to you?

The above quote is classic Bobby.  He makes a great point.    This is the internet.  Why does anyone care if he's playing nice.  He could have stopped his post after the first sentence.  He didn't.  So what.   He said what we're thinking. 

[quote=NYBankRep][quote=joedabrkr] [quote=echo]

This site has been infected with this acidity virus.  It needs to be disinfected!  I echo that!!!!! 

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Yes I agree....this bulletin board has been infected with newby trolls who seem to feel they have the right to sit in judgment of our behavior.  It would seem to me that most of the folks who are complaining that we 'don't play nicely' are these mysterious newbies who registered in the last 30 days with a very low post count.

In all honesty this is getting very tiresome.  I'm starting to see why some other boards are 'closed' to the general public.  I am honestly starting to think I'm wasting my time and effort here.
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Joe,

Obviously you have a problem with dates. I have been on here since March (more than 30 days) and have been in this business for 22 years.

The thing that is tiresome is when a good thread gets going and folks try to have a spirited discussion, some posters get on and ruin the thread. Normally it is BH. I do not have an issue with your posts for the most part.

There are some posters and readers that would actually like to share info and learn from the experieince of others. Apparently you are not one of them.

I read many of the posts until they get degraded and ruined (normally by the infant BH). Some start out good Some are pointless, but all turn into crap once the anal posters and their idiotic comments start.

I really don't see the point in it.

[quote=anonymous]

I’ll defend BH.

I'm curious...why did you accept a job without knowing how "the system" works? Does that sound stupid to you?

The above quote is classic Bobby.  He makes a great point.    This is the internet.  Why does anyone care if he's playing nice.  He could have stopped his post after the first sentence.  He didn't.  So what.   He said what we're thinking. 

[quote=anonymous]

I'll defend BH.

I'm curious...why did you accept a job without knowing how "the system" works? Does that sound stupid to you?

The above quote is classic Bobby.  He makes a great point.    This is the internet.  Why does anyone care if he's playing nice.  He could have stopped his post after the first sentence.  He didn't.  So what.   He said what we're thinking. 

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I concur.  His posts may be acerbic but they are also mercifully short and not full of            .  Short and to the point.

[quote=echo]

learn how to spell, moron!  "your" insight w/ spelling aint so good.

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Learn how to capitalize troll!

Do you feel better that we have been reduced to discussing proper grammar. 

Why don't you add something useful, ask a pertinent quesstion, or go away?

I have been at ML for a year and have taken one day off due to a family emergency.  I’ve been in there half the holidays.  One of my coworkers who started when I did will be taking a week’s vacation next month.  Not sure how that will go over.