New Suits
I'm looking for some advice on suits. I had a guy from Tom James come by my office today and show me his wares. Good stuff, but the suit the guy was wearing didn't look much better than what I could buy and my local JC Penney. Couple that with the fact that I've never paid $1500 for a suit (heck I didn't even pay that much for my golf clubs) and I could feel my wallet screaming NO...NO...NO...
So, from a quality standpoint, where do you guys go to buy your suits. Custom made by local tailor? Paul Fredrick that advertises in RR? Lands End? Sears? Ebay (where my last suits came from)? It's been a while since I looked at buying a new suit, so the ones I've got are starting to look worn. Is there a middle ground between Wal-Mart and Brooks Brothers? Do you go for quality or quantity? Just looking for some advice.I had 5 suits custom tailored from Tom James Co…along with shirts, shoes, belt. Didn’t like the bill, but the suits are great. Its kind of like investing…do you want something just for you or something everybody else has? FYI, my favorite suit is a Kenneth Cole I purchased from Macy’s for 800. But, with your payout…you’d better stick with Wal-mart…sorry Spiffy…had to get a jab in there.
Something I forgot…Tom James actually took my off the rack Kenneth Cole and tailored it to my specs. They through that in with my order…awful nice of them for a close to 7k bill…
I’ve never bought a $1500 suit. The idea is horrendous to me. I’ve bought a couple suits for less than $300 that disintegrated on me in less than a year, but I’ve bought plenty of $400-$600 sale-priced suits that I felt were an excellent value. (I almost always buy 2 or 3 at a time during good sales, which my wife alerts me of)
I'm sure you'll get folks talking about how great their $2000 suits and $30,000 watches are. Save your money. Find good values, save the difference and retire early. Your clients will notice that you have a pretty tie, and a matching coat, shirt, socks, pants, belt, shoes... and maybe even cuff links. None of these items have to cost a lot of money, but they DO need to work well together (match). Have your wife help. I've noticed that when my wife picks out my outfits I get more compliments. You can find decent labels at department stores like a Younkers (like Hart Schaffner Marx) that won't cost you an arm and a leg, but should offer you a suit that should last at least 3 years of regular wear. I also buy Enro shirts exclusively, as they make a line that looks great and requires no ironing. These typically cost between $50 and $80 depending on if they're on sale, are machine washable (more convenient and less expensive than dry cleaning), and last a long time. Again, I'm sure that there are folks on this board that think I'm describing an incredibly trashy wardrobe for a professional. But to me it goes to buying a Bentley or a BMW. If you pull up to client meetings in a Bentley, it will probably come off as ostentatious. It also reminds me of a successful trial attorney I once spoke to. He told me that he's learned to bring his worn and almost ratty briefcase to court and not wear really expensive attire when he's in front of a jury. Apparently people identify more with a nicely dressed man than an impeccably dressed man?Nordstroms. simply the best. Clients want you to look good, you don’t have to look like a GQ runway model.
I bought two custom made suits about 8 years ago. To this day, they are still the best fitting, most comfortable suits I own. They are also the only suits that have made it 8 years. Most of my suits off-the-rack go about 4-5 years before they look shabby (and I take good care of them).
Now, I had these suits made from a couple of old Jewish guys in Manhattan. They only cost about $550 at the time. These guys worked out of a two-room deal in the city. They were two little tailors that had thousands of yards of material stacked everywhere. All was by word of mouth, and a lot of wealthy people use them. So their overhead is nearly zero. Now, I know several Jones guys in my region that use Tom James. They love the suits, love the shoes, but don't care for the shirts (I still order my shirts custom from the Shirt Store in NYC (go to their website). I have not ordered any suits from TJ yet, but when I re-up on my suits, I am considering it. It is a GREAT investment. Fit is the #1 thing that makes a suit look great on you, followed by material/color. You can buy a $2,000 suit that looks dorky on you because it doesn't fit. You can also buy great fitting suits at Macy's for $250 that look better. Also, you need to know what STYLE of suit is best for you (single, 2/3/4 button, double breasted, italian, english, etc.). Also, I have bought a few no-iron shirts from Land's End, as I was getting sick of getting my shirts sent to the cleaners. They are actually really nice. They are 100% cotton (none of that old poly-blend crap). If you launder them correctly, they look almost as crisp as a professionally cleaned shirt (with no ironing!).I have $400-$700 suits and one GQ $2000 armani..whichmay be a bit over the top. It looks great, has a conservative cut, but others somehow know, and colleagues call me Mafioso when I rarely wear it.Nordstroms. simply the best. Clients want you to look good, you don’t have to look like a GQ runway model.
Please pay more attention to ur shoes than u do to ur suits. A nice squareish toe NEVER pointy unless
I think a “good”/decent men’s suit for everyday wear should cost from between $200 to $400. That being said…EVERY man needs to break the bank & buy that “FANTASY” suite in true Mafia style just for those extra important clients etc.
Guys…more than the suit please pay attention to ur shoes particularly. They should cost at least $200. Nice square toe. Stacy & Clinton say buy pointy toes as it makes u taller I say thats tom-foolery…if anything it only makes ur feet look longer. You dont want that.
Also invest in ur ties.
The best advice: MAKE IT EASY…LET UR WIFE PICK ur clothes. I see a lot of guys walking around like a cat chewed on something.
Why are u using STREET GHETTO lingo like “outside da club”. Where u raised “in da ghetto”. Please refrain from talkin to me 'like dat".
Also …just bcoz u kick ur h*** in the thighs doesnt mean that the average man is that ignorant.
Grab me an icecold Grolsch!
Spiff - Nordstrom Rack is a wonderful place. Great prices for Nordstrom suits that may need a little altering. It’s tougher to buy at the Rack because it’s hit or miss on stuff so expect to spend some time(a couple weekends) & bringing your honey along to help is a beautiful thing. I’ve gotten great $800 suits for $299. If I buy a cheaper suit I always improve the buttons on it.
Your color palette & your skin type will determine suit colors and textures. I’m Indian so I avoid tans and blacks and favor greys & navys. I always wear a blue or off-white shirt(to match my off-white teeth). If you’re not leaving the office & don’t wear a coat when you meet with clients you can get away with a pant separate which gives you more flexibility & allows for some creativity. It saves money & you can keep a blazer in the office if you’re caught in a special situation.
Depending on your market you can also develop a great non-tie look these days. Quite a few of my clients are blue collar and don’t care or even prefer to see me out of a tie.
Great advice Ashland. You have made a valid point abt the buttons. And guys dont bring a “new girlfriend” as she might just have to say u look great to keep u/be polite a wife will do. They are brutally honest. Or an old girlfriend…one who has passed the "seven year itch`'phase.
Go to Bluefly and Sierra Trading Post if you want to find great suits at a good price. You absolutely cannot go wrong with a Canali or Corneliani suit. Just take them to a good tailor and get them fitted properly.
You can also check out some of the better men's stores around your town now. There should be some good sales since the spring stuff is coming out. A nice blue or gray suit always looks good.Can we discuss shoes in the process? I would hate to see y’all walking around in nice pimp style suits & ghett-o shoes!!
I’ve been on the Sierra Trading Post site before, but forgot they sold suits. I’ve not looked at bluefly before. Thanks, I’ll add those to my list.
My shoes are simple. Wing tips or cap toes usually. Black or brown. I'm pretty boring. No, traditional would be a better term.[quote=Spaceman Spiff]I’ve been on the Sierra Trading Post site before, but forgot they sold suits. I’ve not looked at bluefly before. Thanks, I’ll add those to my list.
My shoes are simple. Wing tips or cap toes usually. Black or brown. I'm pretty boring. No, traditional would be a better term. [/quote] You need to look at Allen Edmonds. Spiff, 2 years ago in Beijjing, bought a couple of custom suits while on a trip. The fit is the key. I wear mostly Joseph Abboud and Hart Shaffner and Marx. I have a suit ordered from Tom James....I thought Ashland made a good point as I’ve adopted the no suit, no tie policy in most cases. If anything, I’ve found that it puts most clients at ease. Although I haven’t found any that appear offended, I would like to think that if that offends them, it wasn’t meant to be (for either of us).
Although a piece of advice I received early on was that you can tell a lot about a man by the shine of his shoes. If you take the time to buff them up every so often, it shows you really care about what you do because you take the time to make the effort. Whether my clients adopt that philosphy or notice who knows, but I make sure I shine them up about every two weeks. Just some food for thought.Noggin - I had a visiting vet tell me years ago that he takes a trip to Beijjing every time one comes up, just to buy suits. I took a trip to Italy a few years ago and bought a bunch of ties. Should have looked at shoes while I was there.
Go to Bluefly and Sierra Trading Post if you want to find great suits
at a good price. You absolutely cannot go wrong with a Canali or
Corneliani suit. Just take them to a good tailor and get them fitted
properly. <<
Canali and Corneliani are nice suits but with a very low rise. Zegna makes the fabric C and C uses and has a traditional rise, so you are not squeezing your grapes all day long.
Check out NM during Last Call (starts up later this month). You can pick up any of the best suits for around $500 to $1,000 and people will only recognize that you are wearing something exceptionally special.
Shoes? Pick up a few good pairs of Ferragamos. Your grandmother was right about them. Exceptional quality leather, very conservative look. You pay $300-$500 today but you can keep them looking new (with good care) for at least a decade. Take them in to the cobbler on January 1st every year and pay $60-$90 for tune-up, you’ll be glad you did. Gucci fall apart and leather tends to crack after a while. Nordstrom sells the 'gamos under the Zegna label.
What a good to get off the phone and talk clothes instead!
St Vincent DePaul, I pay about $16.35 for a suite that someone else paid several hundred $$$ for–I live in a small farm community and they don’t get too excited over my suits–being retired military–the shoes always shine!
Yea I cheap--damm frugal you bettcha! So are my clients.You can have Hart Shaffner and Marx custom make a suit for around $800 that fits like, well, it was made for you.
I’m reminded that Ronald Reagan said that he wouldn’t enter the Oval Office in anything but a suit and tie…he had too much respect for the office to do otherwise. I have too much respect for the trust that clients have placed in me to meet them in anything other than a suit and tie.
I bought about 40 Zegna and Armania ties in China also. 1 dollar apiece. Fakes? Yes. But who cares....Noggin - I had a visiting vet tell me years ago that he takes a trip to Beijjing every time one comes up, just to buy suits. I took a trip to Italy a few years ago and bought a bunch of ties. Should have looked at shoes while I was there.
I think it depends where you are located! When I moved my practice to Colorado I stopped wearing suits. On Friday mornings I meet clients in ski pants and a sweater. Even the American funds rep does not wear a suit here. He had to explain this to upper management but they understood.You can have Hart Shaffner and Marx custom make a suit for around $800 that fits like, well, it was made for you.
I’m reminded that Ronald Reagan said that he wouldn’t enter the Oval Office in anything but a suit and tie…he had too much respect for the office to do otherwise. I have too much respect for the trust that clients have placed in me to meet them in anything other than a suit and tie.
I agree with Philo to an extent. I don’t ever want to be in the office in jeans. Unless it’s a Saturday. I certainly don’t want to meet a new client for the first time in anything less than shirt and tie. If I think it’s a big new client, then I want that perfect suit that was the basis of this post originally. Now, if I lived in Florida or evidently Colorado, maybe I’d feel different.
noggin - if you're buying Armania ties in China, they are definitely fakes.[quote=Spaceman Spiff]
noggin - if you're buying Armania ties in China, they are definitely fakes. [/quote]Was it the spelling that convinced you, space, or the $1 price tag?
How do YOU differentiate fake from real…I’m not talking abt the price tag…I mean once its on. How can u tell?
[quote=Morphius] [quote=Spaceman Spiff]
noggin - if you're buying Armania ties in China, they are definitely fakes. [/quote]Was it the spelling that convinced you, space, or the $1 price tag?
[/quote] OOPS, sorry about the misspell. Actually if you look at the imprint you can tell. From what I understand the ones that I purchased have the AE imprinted which is indicative of a fake. Those Chinese you gotta watch them close. So the Rolex I bought for 3 bucks is a fake too???
Thatgirl: Guys can tell a good fake!
Now for the suits--like I said I live in a small farming community--if I showed up in the barn with a suit on, the farmers will not talk to you--show up in a pair of slacks and a shirt without a tie--they will talk all day. They come into the office when it rains or snows--otherwise it is too busy so you have to go out to them...I have met with farmers after milking their cows at 11:00 PM or before feeding at 5:00 AM...if you want to do business with all of them--just show up to the farm on a Saturday or Sunday and join in helping milk. Bring them a cold soft drink out to the tractor in the spring or summer...your not going to do that in a suit...but I do where one 4 days a week at the office. Remember 99% of your clients would not be impressed that you paid that much for a suit. But 99% would think you make to much on their investments!Correction: the word is wear not where--I should use spellcheck
Roadhard, Great post. I am fairly new to this board and still in study, but I greatly appreciate the detailed post in reference to prospecting as well as proper attire.
Thanks, DC[quote=Roadhard] Thatgirl: Guys can tell a good fake!
Now for the suits–like I said I live in a small farming community–if I showed up in the barn with a suit on, the farmers will not talk to you–show up in a pair of slacks and a shirt without a tie–they will talk all day.
They come into the office when it rains or snows–otherwise it is too busy so you have to go out to them…I have met with farmers after milking their cows at 11:00 PM or before feeding at 5:00 AM…if you want to do business with all of them–just show up to the farm on a Saturday or Sunday and join in helping milk. Bring them a cold soft drink out to the tractor in the spring or summer…your not going to do that in a suit…but I do where one 4 days a week at the office. Remember 99% of your clients would not be impressed that you paid that much for a suit. But 99% would think you make to much on their investments![/quote]
I respectfully disagree Roadhard. We humans are a funny breed…we like our doctors to look poor, but want our lawyers and brokers to look rich. Go figure.
As to how to tell the fakes from the real deal, that’s easy; be accustomed to the real deal and you can spot a fake a mile away. Just like everything else in life.
It really does depend where you do business–If I was in the burbs around Chicago I would expect a good suit–if I was in a 8,000 size farming community in Iowa I would be happy to see a professional looking office with the FA in a nice shirt and tie. Now in my farming commuity I look like the attorneys and doctors. None wear expensive suits or drive expensive cars. I can say without a doubt I know 85% of the people who live and work here. Just like marketing–everybody’s plan is based on what works for them.
But your statement was, “Remember 99% of your clients would not be impressed that you paid that much for a suit.”
That was the claim of yours to which I take exception.Maybe I'm not understanding your position--99% of my clients would not appreciate it if I was spending that much on a suit. I shouldn't judge how your clients would feel about you doing that because I'm not your client and I'm not you!
I think you are missing my point, Roadhard. The statement you made was not about your clients…it was about client of others besides you. What you should have said is, “99% of my clients…”.
My bad, I should have said my clients–it was bad post
[quote=Roadhard]It really does depend where you do business–If I was in the burbs around Chicago I would expect a good suit–if I was in a 8,000 size farming community in Iowa I would be happy to see a professional looking office with the FA in a nice shirt and tie. Now in my farming commuity I look like the attorneys and doctors. None wear expensive suits or drive expensive cars. I can say without a doubt I know 85% of the people who live and work here. Just like marketing–everybody’s plan is based on what works for them.
[/quote] The funny thing is that they wouldn't look at you strange if you pulled up to their house in your $50,000 Ford F150 King Ranch edition pickup truck, wearing $95 Bill's Khakis, $50 Polo shirt, $200 loafers, and carrying your $500 leather briefcase. But if you pulled up in your $25,000 BMW, wearing your $199 JC Penny suit, $50 shoes, carrying your vendor supplied free briefcase they'd more than likely throw you off the property for being too pretentious. I say, do what makes you feel good. You'll attract good clients that want to work with you. If they don't want to work with you because of the car you drive or the suit you wear, they're not going to be happy with the service or investments you provide.Well put Spiff!
Two minor things that I think often get overlooked that make a big impression…socks and pens. It may sound silly but I think it looks even sillier when you see someone in a nice suit, expensive shoes, a good briefcase, and then as soon as they cross their legs you see cheap looking socks. Ditto on the pen, why go through all the effort and money to look good and then when sit down with a client you pull out a cheap bic pen.
Maybe I'm putting too much though into it, and maybe most clients don't care.I agree with the pens. I have a small, but growing, collection of pens. If you folks want to own a nice pen, specifically to sit on your desk for signing all those big deals, check out www.fountainpenhospital.com. Order their catalog. It's terriffic. If you like nice things, but the nicest pen you've ever owned was a Mont Blanc, then you'll love this sight. Some guys like watches, I like pens.
I agree with the pens. I have a small, but growing, collection of pens. If you folks want to own a nice pen, specifically to sit on your desk for signing all those big deals, check out www.fountainpenhospital.com. Order their catalog. It’s terriffic. If you like nice things, but the nicest pen you’ve ever owned was a Mont Blanc, then you’ll love this sight. Some guys like watches, I like pens.
Couldn't agree more, Spiff. I have a couple of Waterman fountain pens that I've had for years. Clients, I think, like that little touch of elegance when doing business. I also serve coffee and tea in bone china Again, it's the little touches that can make the difference from the client perspective.
[quote=Ferris Bueller] [quote=Philo Kvetch] [quote=Spaceman Spiff]
I agree with the pens. I have a small, but growing, collection of pens. If you folks want to own a nice pen, specifically to sit on your desk for signing all those big deals, check out www.fountainpenhospital.com. Order their catalog. It’s terriffic. If you like nice things, but the nicest pen you’ve ever owned was a Mont Blanc, then you’ll love this sight. Some guys like watches, I like pens.
[/quote] Couldn’t agree more, Spiff. I have a couple of Waterman fountain pens that I’ve had for years. Clients, I think, like that little touch of elegance when doing business. I also serve coffee and tea in bone china Again, it’s the little touches that can make the difference from the client perspective.[/quote]Perhaps. I serve my clients coffee in styrofoam cups and they don’t seem to care. I DO call them back and answer my phone when they call. They seem to care about that.[/quote]
That’s a given. One of the first good pieces of advice I got when I went into sales is to never let your head hit your pillow until you’ve returned your calls.
I cant remember the last time I wore a suit.
[quote=nestegg] I cant remember the last time I wore a suit.
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Business has been THAT bad for you? I’m sorry to hear that, Nestegg.
To each his own...suits don't fly in all markets (ref: thread about farmers scoffing about an Armani suit & $35K BMW sedan, but having no problem with a $50K pickup, etc.). The only time I saw my BOM wear a suit was at our Xmas party...and that's because his wife made him - he's in the 750K+ prod. range, so I'm struggling to find a direct correlation to attire & success...[/quote]Agreed my field trainer has a $300MM+ book and he never wears a tie or suit for that matter & drives a 3 year old Chevy truck. Our market isn't farmers but a lot of blue collar workers mixed in with a lot of retired Bay Area residents. I'm still not sure if I'm going to go for the suit look or the more relaxed look that has been very successful for him.[quote=Philo Kvetch] [quote=nestegg] I cant remember the last time I wore a suit.
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Business has been THAT bad for you? I’m sorry to hear that, Nestegg.
In regards to brands of suits I’m surprised no one mentioned Brooks Brothers. I practically swear by them.
I would agree with Ice “two each his own”.
Someone mentioned something about the details. Nice socks/shoes and pens. So often I see people in the office that have nice suits, shirts etc. but Shoes from payless or something. Which haven’t been polished in months.
IMHO as long as you look put together, while dressing appropriately for your genre of clients, I’d imagine it not making much of a difference.
Find a local men’s store. Right about now they are having sales. I get nice suites (lined pants to the knee, jackets fully lined, not glued (ask the owner), etc. Also, do not dry clean your suits if you can help it. Use a brush and then press them. The dry clenaing chemicals kill the fibers.
Alden or Allen Edmonds shoes are excellent. Allen Edmonds has outlet stores all over. Google it then call them with the shoe you want and when doing so get them to tell you what is wrong while they have the shoes in their hands on the phone with you (if you can't go to the store yourself). I prefer genuine shell cordovan since they last forever. If you spend up for this, make sure you have the manufactuerer recraft them rather than the cobbler down the street. I have had a pair for 12 years and they still look great. Also again, rotate your suits (you need 5 - 1 for each day) and rotate your shoes. Let them dry then put cedar shoe trees in. You need at least 2-3 pairs of shoes. Stay away from the trendy stuff and be careful about shirts. White and blue is it. Browns and blacks are for pimps or computer nerds. Just my conservative opinion. No flames, please. :)How many suits do you all think someone who’s new to the business needs? I have 3 right now, but really just 2 of them that I think look nice. One is a Kenneth Cole and the other is a Daniel Cremieux. I was thinking about getting 3 more suits if I can find some good ones on sale for $200-300. Does that sound reasonable to have 5 decent suits starting out? Where do you all get good suits on sale?
Thanks!
I think 5 is the minimum. Then be careful about the drycleaning (did I say that earlier?) Dry cleaning should be the last resort. Brush it off and press it. Anyway - 5 suits - let them air out and they will all last longer. Hang them immediately when you get home.
Has anyone here ever bought a suit on eBay? I’ve seen some good prices on there on some nice looking higher end suits that I thought I could purchase and take to a local tailor. I just worry that I’d be buying knockoffs or something. Anyone ever done anything like that, or have any opinions on it?
[quote=IsOldSpiceRightForMe]How many suits do you all think someone who’s new to the business needs? I have 3 right now, but really just 2 of them that I think look nice. One is a Kenneth Cole and the other is a Daniel Cremieux. I was thinking about getting 3 more suits if I can find some good ones on sale for $200-300. Does that sound reasonable to have 5 decent suits starting out? Where do you all get good suits on sale?
Thanks![/quote]
I just want to reiterate that IMHO it's more important for quality then quantity. It has been discussed on this board somewhere, maybe in this thread, quality over quantity.
Me personally, I have:
2 -- Jos. Bank signature suits (Grey and Navy Chalk Stripe) -- Everyday Wear, bought on sale $300-$400
1 -- Brooks Brothers Golden Fleece Navy (Expensive) -- For Important Clients/Prospects, $1,500
1 -- Kenneth Cole, Menswear House (Charcoal) -- $250 regular price
Starting out is tough. I think 4-5 suits is sufficient if you take good care of them (it’s tougher if you are in a hot climate or you’re a big, fat guy). $250 will usually do OK for suits (but I wouldn’t go much lower). Once you do that, and as you start replacing them, look to upgrade to higher quality/better fit. Don’t get wrapped up in spending big $$ just for fancy labels. Focus on quality and fit (usually fit is more important - it’s tough to get a crappy suit that fits well, so a well-fitting suit is usually high quaility).
Also, make sure your shirts fit well, and are 100% cotton. None of this poly/blend crap. If you want wash & wear, make sure it's 100% cotton. And take good care fo them.[quote=IsOldSpiceRightForMe]How many suits do you all think someone who’s new to the business needs? I have 3 right now, but really just 2 of them that I think look nice. One is a Kenneth Cole and the other is a Daniel Cremieux. I was thinking about getting 3 more suits if I can find some good ones on sale for $200-300. Does that sound reasonable to have 5 decent suits starting out? Where do you all get good suits on sale?
Thanks![/quote Fives suits will be fine starting out. +1 on the Jos Bank recco. Their suits are reasonably priced and wear well. Get conservative cut/grey/dark blue/black( no brown), a dozen light colored shirts, white /blue,/gray, and jazz it up with at least one pink (the new black). Likewise, a dozen silk ties to start. Go conservative with most and add in a couple Jerry Garcia ties. Shoes are the one area where most of the young guys fall down. Their shoes are not only unpolished, they are horrendously clunky and ugly. Also low quality. All in all, not very professional in appearance. Find a specailty, non-chain men's shoe store and spend $300 for a decent pair of business shoes. Then go to the mall and buy a $70 pair of shoes to wear on really bad weather days. Lastly, I read somewhere that you can wear a suit a dozen times before having it cleaned. That seems a bit more than I would go, but unless you are in some situation that stresses the suit ie sweating/smoking etc, you can wear a suit several times between cleanings. Ties almost never get cleaned, as cleaning is as likely to ruin them as clean them. I toss the tie if it takes a noticably big hit. Shirts get cleaned after every use, regardless of how long that use is, one hour, or twelve hours. By the way some guys wear shirts several times between cleaning. That's gross, but...
Very true on the shoes. You buy a really good quality shoe, with re-soling it will last nearly a lifetime. Some young guys try to be “trendy” with shoes. Ouch. Nothing shouts “GenY!” like trendy shoes. Nice leather cap-toes or wing-tips are your best bet.
When I used to work in Manhattan, I would re-sole my shoes every 6 months due to all the walking I did. Then I got wise, bought a few cheap pair/rubber soled from Bass or something to walk to work in, then kept my nice ones at work to change into. I actually owned black leather Army boots for the winter to walk to work in. Under the suit, they actually looked like black leather shoes. I learned that trick from my father many moons ago. Also, if you are sitting a lot with clients, guests, etc., be mindful of your socks. By LONG socks that are generally black and a nice material (nothing that looks cottony, like your Dockers weekend socks) like cotton/cashmere blends, etc. And FYI, the SOCK SHOULD BE DARKER THAN YOUR PANTS. Don't wear grey socks with a black or blue suit. That's why almost all my socks are plain black. Generally, socks should match the shoes, not the pants (i.e. BLACK). If you have cordovan shoes, you should still wear black socks.And your belt should match your shoes. It bugs me to see a guy with a nice suit on with black shoes and a brown belt. Tacky.
I’ve heard of people getting the belt loops removed when they take their suits to the tailor, that way they never have to worry about a belt. Is that a good thing to do, or is it considered tacky or more casual?
If you where braces (aka suspenders) then you could have them removed. I personally do not like the braces look as I think it is too Gordon Gheko’ish. I where a belt with a siler mongrammed buckle. Someone one told me in clothes, that less is more. Therefore no gold chain outside the suit, no pinky-ring with a diamond, etc. If you opt for the belt rather than braces, then you may consider having the tailor put a center loop on the back so that the belt will hold the pants better. Also, when you are fitted, always where the shoes you will ususally where when they cuff or hem them, and always put your wallet in your pocket so they can make any adjustments that might need to be made. You want a clean line up the center front and back, then clean on each side from collar to shoulder to cuff or hem.
Has anyone bought a Chaps, Dockers, Apt. 9, Access, or Haggar suit? Kohl’s has them on sale for pretty cheap. I was wondering if they’re decent suits for the price to at least get help me through my first year or so.
Thanks!Thanks for the feedback Ice. Do you think the suits look cheap, or do they look alright?
There is nothing worse than a cheap-looking suit. Being closed by someone in a cheap suit makes everyone sweaty and uncomfortable.
For the Western set (engineer and blue collar clients), I favor the business casual Polo section at Macy's. Some nice cashmere sweater vests. But not Macy's - get 40% off name brands at the outlet mall. Suites are passe, the majority of people with money don't wear them out here.Space,
I use these guys. The only caveat is that they are in Thailand, but for $350 I really cannot complain about either price of quality. Beats any f-n dept. store BS ive ran into. http://www.dress-for-success.com/ Put it this way. 3 suits and 7 shirts didnt even cost $1700. Will never do off the rack again.For shoes…suggest we check out the Chinese Spam King that had that professional E-Blast a couple of weeks ago. I think they give quantity discounts. We could order up a Container and have one of the FAs pick it up at the Port in Los Angeles.
For your reference : www.nikeepert.com
I'll bet TOP QUALITY and definitely not knock offs.I have bought a number of my suits on EBAY. I have 8 Joseph Abboud's and 2 Hart Shaffner and Marx. I also have a couple of custom made that I bought in Beijing and 2 Joseph A Banks. I usually take them to a local tailor to have them adjusted after purchase. I have been very pleased. There is a big difference in some of the cheaper suits and the better ones. Buy quality.....Has anyone here ever bought a suit on eBay? I’ve seen some good prices on there on some nice looking higher end suits that I thought I could purchase and take to a local tailor. I just worry that I’d be buying knockoffs or something. Anyone ever done anything like that, or have any opinions on it?
Polo’s have a good suit collection. Just for reference, I like the style guide on their web:
http://style.ralphlauren.com/askralph/men_fitguide_black.asp
In my opinion, fit and material are the most important elements in a suit.
This site has been a wealth of knowledge more me and for that I am very appreciative. I am addicted. However, Would all of you runway models take a step back?
I quit buying suits and have gone to nice pants with sport coat. Mix and match opportunities are much better. In addition, the pants always wear faster than coat, so sport coats solve this problem. The only time I wear a suit now is for a formal occasion.
Went to nordstrom rack and bought a nice grey striped suit that I originally saw at nordstrom the week earlier. Same exact size and color and everything.
Only difference is the price tag. Nordstrom 799.95… Nordstrom rack 339.95… Yeah I’m happy.
Nordstrom Rack is king, they have $1000 Hugo Boss suits there for $500. Also try Burlington Coat Factory, I just got a Nautica and Jones New York Suit for a total of $300! If you're not a common size, there's even better finds, unfortunately I'm a 42L, which is pretty standard.Went to nordstrom rack and bought a nice grey striped suit that I originally saw at nordstrom the week earlier. Same exact size and color and everything.
Only difference is the price tag. Nordstrom 799.95… Nordstrom rack 339.95… Yeah I’m happy.
How do you guys like your coat sleeves to hang? At the wrist, 1/2 inch below wrist or 1 inch below wrist? I’m torn between 1/2 inch and 1 inch because I hate when I’m sitting and my shirt cuff comes out all the way with the 1/2 inch but it almost feels too long when standing with the 1 inch. Whats your thoughts?
Oh and overstock.com has great prices if you know your size.
I like to leave enough room so that my iced-out timepiece blinds all those who dare to look: http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/72000104/Images/3/mega-bling-watch.jpgHow do you guys like your coat sleeves to hang? At the wrist, 1/2 inch below wrist or 1 inch below wrist? I’m torn between 1/2 inch and 1 inch because I hate when I’m sitting and my shirt cuff comes out all the way with the 1/2 inch but it almost feels too long when standing with the 1 inch. Whats your thoughts?
Snags, if I was a very rich prospect of yours and I saw that bling, I’d say to myself, “Daaaayuuuum yo, dis ma fuaa mus know waz up on Wall & Broad fo real. Take all my bread an double dat shiiiite so I can be blingin like dat muh dayum self play boy.”
[quote=IsOldSpiceRightForMe]Snags, if I was a very rich prospect of yours and I saw that bling, I’d say to myself, “Daaaayuuuum yo, dis ma fuaa mus know waz up on Wall & Broad fo real. Take all my bread an double dat shiiiite so I can be blingin like dat muh dayum self play boy.”
[/quote] Well, if you think that is slick, you should see my gold teeth.Snaggle, that’s about as funny as I’ve seen in a while. Great!
Helpful information on the clothing - Thanks
One question: How about the car.
Different wheels say different things in the client's mind.
If you drive up to a prospects home or business in a piece of junk they're thinking about why they're taking your advice. If your car's too nice and the client is Joe thrifty they think they're paying you too much. any thoughtsyeah…go for the middle. I drive a 2008 Chrysler 300. Looks nice and runs about $30K. That’s good enough to say you’ve made it.
Or drive the fanciest pickup truck you want. People notice when you pull up in the base model German sportscar that costs $35K and think you don’t need their money. Pull up in a $50K truck and they won’t even blink.
I always think Audi, Volvo and Acura’s are nice choices. They’re not over the top, generally won’t turn people off, but they’re real nice rides and good family cars. I think you run into problems with Porsche, Mercedes, some BMW’s, and even Lexus. For some reason, certain names evoke a certain “image”. You can buy an average used Mercedes for 20K, and people will think you’re some kind of over-paid pimp. You get a down market and clients are saying "well, someone’s gott pay for the Lexus (Mercedes, Beemer, etc.). Most people don’t think about the fact that a Volvo SUV is like 50K, and a lot of people drive 20K Beemers. But people will notice your Beemer. It’s an image thing. It also works the other way. If you live in Greenwhich, CT or Manhattan, and can’t afford a lot, you’re much better off buying a 20K used Mercedes than a 20K new Honda (if you’re image conscious).
www.josbank.com
buy one get one sale. are these pretty descent suits? (for someone starting out with little money for expensive clothing)I guess it’s a new approach to dressing down.
What do you think about going the "classic car" route? No matter how you slice it, we're all pouring $ down a hole with anything newish, and we're smart money guys, right? I'm seriously considering going the '85 Buick GS/'74 Dart GTS/'85 Mustang GT route. Already bounced off the bottom of the depreciation ride, unique, not 'over the top,' and probably going up in value each year. How's that for a 'non correlated asset' play? How often do we get to ride around on a Saturday in our Russell shares?I always think Audi, Volvo and Acura’s are nice choices. They’re not over the top, generally won’t turn people off, but they’re real nice rides and good family cars. I think you run into problems with Porsche, Mercedes, some BMW’s, and even Lexus. For some reason, certain names evoke a certain “image”. You can buy an average used Mercedes for 20K, and people will think you’re some kind of over-paid pimp. You get a down market and clients are saying "well, someone’s gott pay for the Lexus (Mercedes, Beemer, etc.). Most people don’t think about the fact that a Volvo SUV is like 50K, and a lot of people drive 20K Beemers. But people will notice your Beemer. It’s an image thing. It also works the other way. If you live in Greenwhich, CT or Manhattan, and can’t afford a lot, you’re much better off buying a 20K used Mercedes than a 20K new Honda (if you’re image conscious).
I have 2002 BMW 330, but I bought mine earlier this year. And any time clients bring up the fact that I drive a BMW(normally only first time as a joke)… I mention that I paid under $10K for it because I am cheap…(BTW still have the first car I bought(the bmw was the second) a 99 Pontiac Firebird(Auto,no power locks or windows) yeah i didn’t know what i was doing… But my accountant said if I kept it, I would be less likely to get audited for writing off my car, when I have a spare in the garage…
I think a older mercedes/bmw would be cool, like 60-80s and you probably wouldn’t get much crap from people…
BMW’s have little timers in all their little parts that know when it is out of warranty. My friends still laugh about my BMW woes. I say look at what your client’s drive (those which are not showy) and get something in that range. One of my clients marveled how his neighbor’s house was being foreclosed upon with a new Audi and BMW in the driveway.
For work, i consider the suit a uniform. almost always to Jos A Bank on the net (although i use my local tailor). Very happy w/them
Try sierratradingpost.com They started in the 80’s as a seller of seconds in backpacking equipment. Past 10-12 years they have really branched out, including mens suits. Prices are good to incredible and they stand behind eveything 100%. If for any reason you don’t like it, return it, Even if you’ve used it. You would have to know size in each company they offer. But, go down to a larger retailer and try some of everybody’s on like I did. Take notes and go to the site. They have womens as well and about 10 years ago I bought a special lady a high end cashmere coat. About $700 or less for a $2000 coat. She worked in fashion sales and knew it was the real deal. By the way, of all the "second"s I’ve bought there I’ve never been able to find a flaw except for once. Sent it back and complained. Got a small gift cert in reply and no hassle return. Stay with name brands though.
I hope she thanked you appropriately.about 10 years ago I bought a special lady a high end cashmere coat. About $700 or less for a $2000 coat. She worked in fashion sales and knew it was the real deal.
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