Favre?

Aug 18, 2009 4:00 pm

Biggest stroke in the history of American Sports ?

Aug 18, 2009 4:41 pm

A source close to Brett Favre said the quarterback, pending a physical, will sign a contract with the Minnesota Vikings for between $10 million to $12 million, according to ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

10-12mm????  Seriously??  For what?   Damn.  They should sign Flutie as a backup for $1mm.
Aug 18, 2009 6:21 pm

It is unreal. He doesn’t want to put in the effort or the work that would involve training camp and they are still paying him that much. This is exactly why the Packers wanted to move on. He wasn’t working out in the off season and before that last year in Green Bay he had sucked for 3 or 4 years. He blew last year in the 2nd Half because he wore down. So annoying.

Aug 18, 2009 11:24 pm

I think he is money… seriously Sage or Tavaris… as for references from last year… you are comparing Thomas Jones to Adrian Peterson?? Also this is the same system he ran for forever in GB…



At least 2 round of playoffs… nobody else is in the division…or NFC… Giants-no offense, eli is a joke…Eagles-no defense…Arizona- the nfc curse of losing super bowls…Saints- no defense… Carolina- everybodys favorite sleeper, every year…Chicago- who does cutler throw to Devin hester…really?..Green Bay- good luck installing a 3-4 with the wrong personnel…



Am I missing a good team?

Aug 19, 2009 7:15 pm

Eagles & G-Men will be good.  Packers 3-4 looked very good last week against (cough) Cleveland.  Favre will give you 4-5 great games, 4-5 ok games and he will lose 4 for you.  It wouldn’t surprise me if Favre got hurt this year and ended his game streak. 

Aug 19, 2009 7:30 pm

Seriously against the Browns, who have no qb, no rb, no rec and te.? I think the Vick thing will bite philly, that guy lied to everybody the first time around, people don’t change…



The benefit that favre is going to get is Adrian Peterson(not a viking fan, Titans fan) the defenses are either going to have to play man-man(which favre will pick apart) or a zone of sorts, then Adrian Peterson will have his 2,000yds… This is a much better team then the jets and has a much better rb than he had his last year with GB when they did so well, and he will be inside.

Aug 19, 2009 7:38 pm

[quote=chief123]I think he is money… seriously Sage or Tavaris… as for references from last year… you are comparing Thomas Jones to Adrian Peterson?? Well not only Thomas Jones.  He also had Leon Washington who rushed for 500 yds and 6 tds plus 37 receptions for 2 more td’s. 

At least 2 round of playoffs (No way!)… nobody else is in the division…or NFC… Giants-no offense, eli is a joke (Brandon Jacobs is a BEAST!  And thats hard to admit as an Eagles fan.  Bradshaw will get alot of carries too.  Eli is a joke though)…Eagles-no defense (Philly had the number THREE defense in the NFL last year!  We lost Dawkins which hurts, but he was bad in coverage last year w/his aging legs.  Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Sheldon Brown, Trent Cole, Mike Patterson…we’re still good!)…Arizona- the nfc curse of losing super bowls (Agree)…Saints- no defense (Agree)… Carolina- everybodys favorite sleeper, every year (Not a sleeper anymore, just a boring team that has good fundamentals, until Delhomme chokes on his Chunky Soup)…Chicago- who does cutler throw to Devin hester…really?..Green Bay- good luck installing a 3-4 with the wrong personnel…

Am I missing a good team?

  Cowboys.  Don't discount Romo, Barber, Witten, Williams, Ware, Spears and Co..  [/quote]    
Aug 19, 2009 8:04 pm

Vikings would have made the playoffs no matter who was playing QB. My point is that hes an ego maniac who loves the spotlight. Guy has been lazy for years and just wants to play in the games with little effort and the F'in media follows him around like he is Jesus Christ.

Aug 19, 2009 8:25 pm

I don’t count the cowboys, because Romo is terrible, especially in the clutch… Barber will never make it for a full year, though i do like the other guy… I don’t trust their secondary or their offensive coordinator.



Ron, you are right they would have made the playoffs, like they did last year, but the goal isn’t to make the playoffs, just like the goal isn’t to produce less than $200K… I think Favre is better than what they had… It’s like replacing a $80K account with a $500K account, yeah it’s not a MIL but still better than the 80K, and sure it comes with additional headaches but the increased income is worth it.

Aug 19, 2009 10:13 pm

I am not saying it is the wrong move for the team. I am saying Brett Favre as a man is a complete douche bag.

Aug 20, 2009 1:58 am

I think that it’s probably pretty hard to be one of the best in the world at something and not be an egomaniac, or at least, be portrayed like one to some extent. 

  The guy is old and beat up.  It only makes sense that if he was going to play this year to do it in the way that is easiest on his body.   That means avoiding training camp.  It also is going to mean not practicing all that much during the season and getting special treatment.  If someone was going to pay be $12 million to be that kind of douche, I'll take the job.
Aug 20, 2009 3:01 am

I am fine with that, but tell it like it is. Make a decision and be honest about your intentions. Don’t go back and forth for 3 straight off seasons leaving 3 different franchises hanging in the wind. Jay Cutler has been torched by the media from what he did, but when it comes to Favre everyone strokes his sack. It is unreal.

Aug 22, 2009 1:24 am

I like giving old players one more chance…and that’s why I’m a Raider’s Fan.

Aug 25, 2009 4:59 am

Ron, I think you are just still upset about Favre ripping the Bears apart in the 90’s.  Favre and Cutler are not the same case.  Favre never forced his way out of Green Bay.  He was pressured to make up his mind after 07 and retired.  When he had a change of heart they said “we don’t want you back, the train has left the station”.  He never missed a game for that team playing through pain.  Never held out for a bigger contract and even took managements side when others held out like Sterling Sharpe and Javon Walker.  Cutler forced his way out because his feelings were hurt.  I know the back and fourth is a little much but it does not make him a bad guy, just has a hard time hanging it up for good.   A lot of guys in normal jobs go through this when they retire, multiply this by 100 playing pro football and you can imagine how hard it must be to walk away for good.  Ron, I agree with most of the things you post here, but not when it comes to Favre.  Asset Allocation = Good, Brett Favre = Even better, they both worked out well in the 90’s and they both will make a great comeback story in 2009!

Aug 26, 2009 3:35 am

I actually had a ton of respect for Favre until the last few off seasons. A large majority of the Bears fans I know had grown to respect his skills and toughness even though he was beating our teams head in. I think he has gotten lazy the last few years, Green Bay saw that happening and called him out on it. Then he tried turning the tables on management. What Favre doesn’t realize is coaches and GM’s are trying to put together careers in a cut throat industry and as they try to prepare he is off fishing in Mississippi. It isn’t fair to the teams.

Aug 26, 2009 3:08 pm

Favre is kidding himself, he's going to finally retire on such an awful note its going to make it hard for people to remember him in his good years. 

Aug 26, 2009 3:24 pm

Isn’t there a double edge sword in professional sports… Leave to early (Barry Sanders) and we are mad and wonder why… Stay too long (Favre/Shaq) we are mad and wonder why… But don’t they have the opportunity to redeem themselves by doing something great… For example if Shaq and Lebron win the NBA championship this year or if Favre leads the vikings to the superbowl. In 3-5 years no one will remember anyways(like when Montana finished his career as a Chief, or Jordan a wizard, Karl Malone on the lakers, Gary Payton on the lakers, heat). Sure we remember, but don’t really care that they did

Aug 27, 2009 6:43 am

Favre is a douche.  I don’t care about the Packers or the Vikings…neither is my team.  I just have no respect for an aging prom queen that (1) can’t admit he is too lazy to do training camp and (2) chooses a team at least partially to give his former team the finger.  What an ass he is.  I hope he gets sacked 16 times when the Vikings play the Pack.

Aug 31, 2009 4:09 pm

Aug 31, 2009 4:51 pm
chief123:

Isn’t there a double edge sword in professional sports… Leave to early (Barry Sanders) and we are mad and wonder why… Stay too long (Favre/Shaq) we are mad and wonder why… But don’t they have the opportunity to redeem themselves by doing something great… For example if Shaq and Lebron win the NBA championship this year or if Favre leads the vikings to the superbowl. In 3-5 years no one will remember anyways(like when Montana finished his career as a Chief, or Jordan a wizard, Karl Malone on the lakers, Gary Payton on the lakers, heat). Sure we remember, but don’t really care that they did

  I wouldn't lump Shaq in the Favre category.  Shaq's never retired or led the media to believe he was done.  Shaq doesn't have any "redeeming" to do, he won a title 3 years ago and 3 titles prior to that.  Favre hasn't sniffed a title in 13 years, and in recent history has been the key reason why they haven't sniffed a title (OT interception in '03 vs. Eagles in playoff loss, OT interception in '07 vs. Giants in NFC title game loss, 4 INT's vs. Vikings in '04 playoff loss, 6 INT's vs Rams in '01 playoff loss, 2 INT's and a lost fumble vs. Falcons in '02 playoff loss).  He was DIRECTLY at fault for all 5 playoff eliminations this decade alone.    Montana and Favre are unrelated because Montana was traded to KC and went to 2 playoffs in his 2 seasons in KC including the AFC championship game, and he made the Pro-Bowl in '93.  Jordan is Jordan.  He invented the art of the graceful comeback, unlike Favre who has Sugar Ray Leonard apparently as his life coach.
Aug 31, 2009 6:25 pm
3rdyrp2:

[quote=chief123]Isn’t there a double edge sword in professional sports… Leave to early (Barry Sanders) and we are mad and wonder why… Stay too long (Favre/Shaq) we are mad and wonder why… But don’t they have the opportunity to redeem themselves by doing something great… For example if Shaq and Lebron win the NBA championship this year or if Favre leads the vikings to the superbowl. In 3-5 years no one will remember anyways(like when Montana finished his career as a Chief, or Jordan a wizard, Karl Malone on the lakers, Gary Payton on the lakers, heat). Sure we remember, but don’t really care that they did



I wouldn’t lump Shaq in the Favre category. Shaq’s never retired or led the media to believe he was done. Shaq doesn’t have any “redeeming” to do, he won a title 3 years ago and 3 titles prior to that. Favre hasn’t sniffed a title in 13 years, and in recent history has been the key reason why they haven’t sniffed a title (OT interception in '03 vs. Eagles in playoff loss, OT interception in '07 vs. Giants in NFC title game loss, 4 INT’s vs. Vikings in '04 playoff loss, 6 INT’s vs Rams in '01 playoff loss, 2 INT’s and a lost fumble vs. Falcons in '02 playoff loss). He was DIRECTLY at fault for all 5 playoff eliminations this decade alone.



Montana and Favre are unrelated because Montana was traded to KC and went to 2 playoffs in his 2 seasons in KC including the AFC championship game, and he made the Pro-Bowl in '93. Jordan is Jordan. He invented the art of the graceful comeback, unlike Favre who has Sugar Ray Leonard apparently as his life coach.[/quote]



When I referred to shaq, I meant about staying past their prime(he can barely make it through half a season now). I will conceed he has more titles, but I think that is only because in basketball you can win a title with 2 really good players, and then some role players (Kobe/Shq, Jordan/Pippen, KG/Pierce) where as in football you need a lot more talent overall(or barry sanders would have had a ring by now).



On the interceptions for Favre, he is a gunslinger(is only derrogatory when he plays poorly) and you have to live with that. Also I think the caliber of receivers he has has been very poor considering this era… Because when I think of top 25 recievers of the past 20 years, Donald Driver, Javon Walker, Antonio Freeman and Robert Brooks don’t cut it… Same as RB, Ryan Grant is ok(maybe not even), but Edgar Bennet,Dorsey Levens, Ahman Green(for maybe 2 years)… I think there is a reason for the interceptions, he has never had talent around him(Brady to Randy Moss, Manning to Harrison, Montana to Rice etc.)…



I think this year will be interesting… still has no wr, but does have the best rb in the league
Aug 31, 2009 8:02 pm
chief123:

On the interceptions for Favre, he is a gunslinger(is only derrogatory when he plays poorly) and you have to live with that. Also I think the caliber of receivers he has has been very poor considering this era… Because when I think of top 25 recievers of the past 20 years, Donald Driver, Javon Walker, Antonio Freeman and Robert Brooks don’t cut it… Same as RB, Ryan Grant is ok(maybe not even), but Edgar Bennet,Dorsey Levens, Ahman Green(for maybe 2 years)… I think there is a reason for the interceptions, he has never had talent around him(Brady to Randy Moss, Manning to Harrison, Montana to Rice etc.)…

  Ahhh man, I'm gonna start calling you John Madden for all the excuses you have for Favre, lmao!    Driver, Walker, Freeman, Brooks and I include Greg Jennings for 2007, combined for 22,250+ yards and 168 TD's in their career w/Favre, also 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pro seasons.  Not to mention Bubba Franks and Mark Chmura who combined for 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro's, 49 TD's and 4,500 yds, and their careers as full time starters lasted about 2/3 of Favre's GB career.   For the RB's, we have 5 Pro Bowls and 3 All-Pro selections between Green, Bennett and Levens.  9 1,000+ yd seasons and 141 TD's.  Hard to say those guys were schmucks. 
Aug 31, 2009 8:25 pm

You forgot Sterling Sharpe his first few years. Without Sharpe Favre wouldn’t have been allowed to continue starting. All completions were to Sharpe or the other team! Now there is a report that Favre has a cracked Rib. The media is going to be blowing him about “what a warrior”,!!!

Aug 31, 2009 8:36 pm

Ohhh yea, Sterling Sharpe!!!  Add 3 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pro’s, 4,000 yds and 42 more TD’s to my previous total.

Sep 1, 2009 2:06 am

My god I hope Ron Jaworski has a towel to wipe all the Favre juice off his face after the game tonight. Anyone else notice this?

Sep 1, 2009 3:21 am
3rdyrp2:

[quote=chief123]On the interceptions for Favre, he is a gunslinger(is only derrogatory when he plays poorly) and you have to live with that. Also I think the caliber of receivers he has has been very poor considering this era… Because when I think of top 25 recievers of the past 20 years, Donald Driver, Javon Walker, Antonio Freeman and Robert Brooks don’t cut it… Same as RB, Ryan Grant is ok(maybe not even), but Edgar Bennet,Dorsey Levens, Ahman Green(for maybe 2 years)… I think there is a reason for the interceptions, he has never had talent around him(Brady to Randy Moss, Manning to Harrison, Montana to Rice etc.)…

  Ahhh man, I'm gonna start calling you John Madden for all the excuses you have for Favre, lmao!    Driver, Walker, Freeman, Brooks and I include Greg Jennings for 2007, combined for 22,250+ yards and 168 TD's in their career w/Favre, also 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pro seasons.  Not to mention Bubba Franks and Mark Chmura who combined for 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro's, 49 TD's and 4,500 yds, and their careers as full time starters lasted about 2/3 of Favre's GB career.   For the RB's, we have 5 Pro Bowls and 3 All-Pro selections between Green, Bennett and Levens.  9 1,000+ yd seasons and 141 TD's.  Hard to say those guys were schmucks.  [/quote]   I am not quite on Madden's level... but close... I was simply stating that he has par talent, not sub par, but certainly not superb.. I think those guys wouldn't have been in the league without Favre(sterling gets an exception, but they weren't together that long, by the way sterlings brother looks like Mr. Ed)   Montana had rice and taylor and roger craig, the greenbay players don't sniff those guys. 
Sep 1, 2009 4:46 am

I think the reason most “talking heads” type for the NFL like Favre because they appreciate the kind of competitor he is.  He never played for the money but because he loved the game.  He always gave honest interviews (which is part of being a professional) never got arrested and played hurt (alot).  Sure the back and fourth the last few years was kind of old, but it should not take away what he gave the Packers and the NFL.  Look at Brandon Marshall, Mike Vick, Stallworth, ect, ect…the list goes on, these are the bad guys, not a 40 year old who loves to play but is not sure his body will hold up an entire season.  I would not be surprised if down the road Manning or Brady have the same issues.  More guys would do the same thing but usually they are forced out of the league where Brett was recruited.  (Hey Ron, how did you like Denvers reaction to Culver?  I wonder how Green Bay fans will be?)

Sep 1, 2009 12:08 pm
chief123:

Montana had rice and taylor and roger craig, the greenbay players don’t sniff those guys. 

  John Taylor - 2 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pro's, 2 1,000 yd seasons (None over 1,100 yds), 347 recds, 5,598 career yds, 43 TD's   Antonio Freeman - 1 Pro Bowl, 1 All-Pro, 3 1,000 yd seasons (2 over 1,200 yds), 477 recs, 7,251 career yds, 61 TD's   History looks fonder on players who are older.  History hasn't had a chance to look back on Antonio Freeman yet, mainly because he didn't have that "signature play" like Taylor did.   I wouldn't put Craig up on that high of a pedastal.  He's not in the H.O.F. and it can be argued that because he played in Walsh's West Coast Offense, which predicates itself on short passes and looking to the check-down receiver, is why he had such good receiving numbers.  He only had one rushing year over 1,100 yds.
Sep 1, 2009 12:19 pm
LA Broker:

I think the reason most “talking heads” type for the NFL like Favre because they appreciate the kind of competitor he is.  He never played for the money but because he loved the game.  He always gave honest interviews (which is part of being a professional) never got arrested and played hurt (alot).  Sure the back and fourth the last few years was kind of old, but it should not take away what he gave the Packers and the NFL.  Look at Brandon Marshall, Mike Vick, Stallworth, ect, ect…the list goes on, these are the bad guys, not a 40 year old who loves to play but is not sure his body will hold up an entire season.  I would not be surprised if down the road Manning or Brady have the same issues.

  I'll agree that guys like Jon Gruden and John Madden will appreciate the kind of competitor he is, but when you say "talking heads" you are also including guys like Tony Kornheiser and Mike Greenberg and Bob Ryan, etc., sportswriters and radio hosts who have no past playing experience and no reason to appreciate one persons "competitive fire" over another.    The back and forth over the past couple years will take away from what he gave the Packers, as far as history is concerned.  What he did doesn't compare to any athlete of our lifetime.  Nobody has let a situation spiral out of control the way he has.  20 years from now statheads will have his records and "will-to-win", and "ability to make plays" be the first thing they think of when talking about Favre, but not people that follow the game everyday.  I was tired of his to-retire-or-not-to-retire act 3 years ago, before he even retired!  Every offseason since '03 its been a battle for him.  Again, this happens to no one else.  Manning and Brady won't have the same problem, just as the rest of the greats haven't had the same problem.  Brady has a life outside football, as does Manning.  The public has to suffer because Brett Favre can't find anything to do outside of a football field other than weed-whack and hop on a tractor.  And because of that, the Vikings fans get to see an overpaid has-been take over their team for a mere $12 million and see their season end surely on an untimely Favre interception in a playoff game.  But hey, at least the hillbilly is gonna have a blast while he's doing it!   [quote=LA Broker]More guys would do the same thing but usually they are forced out of the league where Brett was recruited.[/quote]   He was recruited because anyone with a brain knows if you offer him a couple newspaper headlines, excused absence from training camp, a ride home from the airport and the starting qb position he'll unretire.  Others don't get recruited because teams know when they retire they actually mean it. 
Sep 1, 2009 1:48 pm
iceco1d:

3rdyrp2 - you are on a roll! 

  Haha, thanks.  You'd think the guy had a one night stand w/my sister or something.  But no, he's never done a thing to me and may actually be the salt of the earth. 
Sep 1, 2009 6:39 pm

People soon forget about his drunken accident in college where half of his stomach was removed and the painkiller addiction he had.

  The media in all areas just drains every ounce out of each and every story because none of them can produce an original thought. They are all predictors after the fact and I have no respect for any of them. ESPN has become worse than CNBC and the entire Favre thing proves it. How the hell is it possible that not a single media member has come out and ripped the crap out of Favre ?
Sep 1, 2009 7:27 pm

And that illegal crackback block he threw on Eugene Wilson last night…That was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.  He literally keeled over and fell into Wilson’s knees as he was running towards him, and easily could have ended his career.  Mike Tirico thankfully mentioned something about that being “not cool”, but did you notice that afterwards they spent more time talking how Favre’s midsection probably was hurt on that block than Wilson almost being de-ligamented?  Then when asked about it after the game Favre talks about how 13 days ago he was weed-whacking and wasn’t even thinking about blocking techniques.  If you can’t block properly and you are a threat to others on the field then get off the damn field. 

  The link for those who didn't see it:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0w2mMJOmaw
Sep 2, 2009 2:01 am

[quote=Ron 14]People soon forget about his drunken accident in college where half of his stomach was removed and the painkiller addiction he had.

  The media in all areas just drains every ounce out of each and every story because none of them can produce an original thought. They are all predictors after the fact and I have no respect for any of them. ESPN has become worse than CNBC and the entire Favre thing proves it. How the hell is it possible that not a single media member has come out and ripped the crap out of Favre ?[/quote]   Ron, nowhere has it been proven Favre was drunk during that car accident.  You can assume that if you want, and it very well could be true, but to accuse him of that is not fair.  He was never charged with anything.  Painkillers were a result of Favre trying to be a good teammate and play through pain, it got out of control and he fixed it on his own.  He has stepped up numerous times for other players dealing with drug issues to help them turn their life around (Koren Robinson).  A lot of the media has ripped on Favre the last couple years, that is one reason people are starting to turn on him.  Most people it seem form their opinions on what the media tells them to think.  Favre does not write the articles that show up twice a day on ESPN, if people are sick of reading it then don't.  I get sick of reading about Mike Vick, Pacman Jones, TO, ect...I just stopped reading those articles.
Sep 2, 2009 2:05 am

[quote=3rdyrp2]And that illegal crackback block he threw on Eugene Wilson last night…That was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.  He literally keeled over and fell into Wilson’s knees as he was running towards him, and easily could have ended his career.  Mike Tirico thankfully mentioned something about that being “not cool”, but did you notice that afterwards they spent more time talking how Favre’s midsection probably was hurt on that block than Wilson almost being de-ligamented?  Then when asked about it after the game Favre talks about how 13 days ago he was weed-whacking and wasn’t even thinking about blocking techniques.  If you can’t block properly and you are a threat to others on the field then get off the damn field. 

  The link for those who didn't see it:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0w2mMJOmaw[/quote]   How many NFL teams teach the QB to block? Zero.  Why would Favre try to hurt Wilson, the guy is no good, will not play the Vikings this season and has never had beef with Favre.  Favre just used poor technique on a split second reaction.  Why childress had him at WR in preseason with the play going his way is beyond me.  To call that cheap is reaching big time.  Look how many O Lineman do illegal chop blocks and that is all they are trained to do is block. 
Sep 2, 2009 2:33 am

He’s been in the league for 18 years.  He knows falling down and putting your torso into someones knees who can’t see you isn’t the right move.  Hell, throw a weak non-throwing arm shoulder into the guy or something.  But doing THAT??  No one does that.  How many blocks do you think he’s seen in 18 years?  In 18 years worth of practices?  (The ones he actually shows up for). 

Sep 2, 2009 3:21 am
3rdyrp2:

[quote=chief123]Montana had rice and taylor and roger craig, the greenbay players don’t sniff those guys. 

  John Taylor - 2 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pro's, 2 1,000 yd seasons (None over 1,100 yds), 347 recds, 5,598 career yds, 43 TD's   Antonio Freeman - 1 Pro Bowl, 1 All-Pro, 3 1,000 yd seasons (2 over 1,200 yds), 477 recs, 7,251 career yds, 61 TD's   History looks fonder on players who are older.  History hasn't had a chance to look back on Antonio Freeman yet, mainly because he didn't have that "signature play" like Taylor did.   I wouldn't put Craig up on that high of a pedastal.  He's not in the H.O.F. and it can be argued that because he played in Walsh's West Coast Offense, which predicates itself on short passes and looking to the check-down receiver, is why he had such good receiving numbers.  He only had one rushing year over 1,100 yds.[/quote] I noticed you left off Rice...
Sep 2, 2009 3:27 am

I don’t care if he did try to injure the guy… The NFL has watered down the sport so bad “no hitting qbs if they are standing” “you must apply two hands before making a tackle on a running back” “no tackling a reciever if is able to score”. 

The NFL used to a good place to see some great football played, I have seen arena games with more hitting. If you are getting paid $12MM/year to throw the ball, then why do i care if Albert Haynesworth smooshes your butt, get up and play..
Sep 2, 2009 12:24 pm
Squash1:

[quote=3rdyrp2][quote=chief123]Montana had rice and taylor and roger craig, the greenbay players don’t sniff those guys. 

  John Taylor - 2 Pro Bowls, 0 All-Pro's, 2 1,000 yd seasons (None over 1,100 yds), 347 recds, 5,598 career yds, 43 TD's   Antonio Freeman - 1 Pro Bowl, 1 All-Pro, 3 1,000 yd seasons (2 over 1,200 yds), 477 recs, 7,251 career yds, 61 TD's   History looks fonder on players who are older.  History hasn't had a chance to look back on Antonio Freeman yet, mainly because he didn't have that "signature play" like Taylor did.   I wouldn't put Craig up on that high of a pedastal.  He's not in the H.O.F. and it can be argued that because he played in Walsh's West Coast Offense, which predicates itself on short passes and looking to the check-down receiver, is why he had such good receiving numbers.  He only had one rushing year over 1,100 yds.[/quote] I noticed you left off Rice...[/quote]   Squash, squash, squash...your stepping foot in the lions den.  You gotta be careful man!  Joe Montana was a 2 time Super Bowl MVP before Rice even graduated college!  He threw for 273 TD's in his career and only 55 of them were to Rice.  He played with Rice for 5.5 seasons, which was well less than half of Montana's career.  Sure, they were more explosive with Rice in there, but Montana's legacy owes nothing to Rice.  That's like saying "Well of course Tom Brady was a great QB, he had Randy Moss!"
Sep 2, 2009 12:39 pm

[quote=Squash1] I don’t care if he did try to injure the guy… The NFL has watered down the sport so bad “no hitting qbs if they are standing” “you must apply two hands before making a tackle on a running back” “no tackling a reciever if is able to score”.

The NFL used to a good place to see some great football played, I have seen arena games with more hitting. If you are getting paid $12MM/year to throw the ball, then why do i care if Albert Haynesworth smooshes your butt, get up and play…[/quote]





Sep 2, 2009 12:49 pm

[quote=Moraen] [quote=Squash1] I don’t care if he did try to injure the guy… The NFL has watered down the sport so bad “no hitting qbs if they are standing” “you must apply two hands before making a tackle on a running back” “no tackling a reciever if is able to score”. 

The NFL used to a good place to see some great football played, I have seen arena games with more hitting. If you are getting paid $12MM/year to throw the ball, then why do i care if Albert Haynesworth smooshes your butt, get up and play..[/quote]


[/quote]   Come on, we're all for the big hit and seeing someone get leveled, but going low on someones knees when they're not even looking?  Lets not turn this into a debate on whether the league needs to be less tough on hitting.  We all know they do.  Not on this play though.
Sep 2, 2009 1:02 pm

Then he should have been paying attention. That hit is legal 3 yards from where he was… If that guy didn’t want to risk his knees, he should have stuck with intramural flag football or ballet and not football.

  Football is the ultimate risk reward sport... sure you may make $25MM but you may not be able to walk or get out of bed, but lets face it, what else would they do. We have seen what happens when they retire (McNair, Nate Newton, and others couldn't make a good choice if they tried, that is why they played football). And how many do you see who have made $30MM or more, but within 4 years after retiring they are broke or file for bankruptcy.   On a second note.. Joe Montana had 273 TDs, Bret Favre has started more games then Joe threw TDs. Oh and he has almost double the tds... I would accept an argument about Dan Marino, but all montana was, was a glorified system qb(like University of Florida qbs when Spurrier was there)
Sep 2, 2009 1:15 pm

[quote=Squash1]Then he should have been paying attention. That hit is legal 3 yards from where he was… If that guy didn’t want to risk his knees, he should have stuck with intramural flag football or ballet and not football.

  Football is the ultimate risk reward sport... sure you may make $25MM but you may not be able to walk or get out of bed, but lets face it, what else would they do. We have seen what happens when they retire (McNair, Nate Newton, and others couldn't make a good choice if they tried, that is why they played football). And how many do you see who have made $30MM or more, but within 4 years after retiring they are broke or file for bankruptcy.[/quote]   Ok, we've gotten into pretty absurd territory now.   [quote]On a second note.. Joe Montana had 273 TDs, Bret Favre has started more games then Joe threw TDs. Oh and he has almost double the tds... I would accept an argument about Dan Marino, but all montana was, was a glorified system qb(like University of Florida qbs when Spurrier was there)[/quote]   And Montana has 4 times as many rings.  His 1st year in KC they tied for the most wins in team history and went to the AFC championship game.  The thing that catapulted Favre to come back to the Vikings this year is that their offense is the EXACT SAME system that he played in Green Bay!  If you want to get into the "system" discussion.
Sep 2, 2009 5:03 pm

I don’t disagree that all qbs are system quarterbacks… Look at Jason Campbell, that guy has had 6 different offenses to learn in the last 5 years.



My point was that Favre was able to do just as good of work for a longer period of time and in the era of free agency. Remember when Montana played you could build a team for years and have that chemistry, not anymore, these guys might as well be indy reps.

Sep 2, 2009 8:13 pm

Lets get back to the main point. Favre is a tool. Plain and simple. Great player, yes. Total stroke, yes.

Sep 3, 2009 2:48 am

First of all I didn't know people used the word "tool" still when not referring to something in their garage.

What makes him a tool? Aren't you the same guy who hates ESPN? Just stop watching.
Sep 3, 2009 3:41 am

You actually buy into his act ? You think he is just a hard nosed football player who plays for the love of the game ? You don't think he is an egomaniac who has become lazy and greedy ? You don't think he yearns for attention ?

  You probably think Obama will bring "change" also.
Sep 3, 2009 3:49 am

I think if he wanted easy money he would retire, hang low for a year then take that multi million dollar marketing deal that the Packers are still dangling at him. I think he plays because he loves the game, you can tell by the way he plays, it’s like backyard football.

  I have never met a useful politician, but admire their moxy, because everyone is going to end up hating you, kind of like being on a school board.
Sep 3, 2009 4:25 am

[quote=Ron 14]

You actually buy into his act ? You think he is just a hard nosed football player who plays for the love of the game ? You don't think he is an egomaniac who has become lazy and greedy ? You don't think he yearns for attention ?

  You probably think Obama will bring "change" also.[/quote]   Please don't but Favre and Obama in the same sentence, Obama does not deserve that.  Besides Ron, your from Chicago, I thought you bought into all the dirty Chicago politics.  I don't think Favre is lazy as much as his body is starting to break down a little.  It's not easy getting up everyday to play when you have taken that many hits.  Until last season, Favre was known as a guy who NEVER missed practices, never went to the training room.  To judge his work ethic at 39 years old is not taking in his whole body of work.  Trust me, you can not be the leader he was for the Packers if he had a poor work ethic, those guys get weeded out pretty quick, ask Ryan Leaf.  QB's set the tempo for the entire team and if he was slacking guys would take notice.  That might be a problem in Minn if they get off to a slow start.
Sep 3, 2009 1:37 pm

There are reports that some guys are annoyed already. Just wait until the Vikings are up in the fourth, trying to run out the clock and Favre’s ego takes over and he forces a throw that turns into a pick 6.

  I am from Chicago. I don't buy into the dirty politics, nice assumption though. I would rather have Favre as President.
Sep 3, 2009 1:52 pm

[quote=Ron 14]There are reports that some guys are annoyed already. Just wait until the Vikings are up in the fourth, trying to run out the clock and Favre’s ego takes over and he forces a throw that turns into a pick 6.

  I am from Chicago. I don't buy into the dirty politics, nice assumption though. I would rather have Favre as President. [/quote]     I vote Pac-Man as VP!
Sep 3, 2009 2:33 pm

No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.



I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

Sep 3, 2009 2:48 pm
Squash1:

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it.

  Haha.  Since when has Favre ever willingly taken a sack (Except for the Michael Strahan incident), especially in the preseason!  He's 40 yrs old 13 days removed from mowing his farm and has a cracked rib and he's saying "I don't care if its the preseason and I'm not battling anyone for the starting spot, I can't throw a pick here.  Come and get me Mario Williams!"
Sep 3, 2009 3:20 pm
Squash1:

No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

  If you read other posts I said until the last 3 years I had a ton of respect for Favre and so do many Bears fans. He has beat our a$$ for years, but he was a great player and defined his position.   If you read other posts I also ripped Urlacher, arguing against someone who claimed he is a sure fire HOFamer. Urlacher is brutally overrated and has been for a long time.   Also, you aren't getting my point. No $hit they will be up in the 4th qtr and they will be running the ball. It is inevitable that a 3rd and 4 will come and a play action pass will be called and Favre loses the game by throwing to the other team. Similar to the 6 picks he threw against the Rams in the playoffs and the pick he threw against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC Championship game in OT. The guy has a huge ego and it is beginning to take him down. It happened to MJ too.   You are a Tennessee Titan fan, but you are ripping on the Chicago Bears, lol! How is that Steve McNair jersey working for you !!!???
Sep 3, 2009 3:48 pm
Ron 14:

[quote=Squash1]No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

  If you read other posts I said until the last 3 years I had a ton of respect for Favre and so do many Bears fans. He has beat our a$$ for years, but he was a great player and defined his position.   If you read other posts I also ripped Urlacher, arguing against someone who claimed he is a sure fire HOFamer. Urlacher is brutally overrated and has been for a long time.   Also, you aren't getting my point. No $hit they will be up in the 4th qtr and they will be running the ball. It is inevitable that a 3rd and 4 will come and a play action pass will be called and Favre loses the game by throwing to the other team. Similar to the 6 picks he threw against the Rams in the playoffs and the pick he threw against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC Championship game in OT. The guy has a huge ego and it is beginning to take him down. It happened to MJ too.   You are a Tennessee Titan fan, but you are ripping on the Chicago Bears, lol! How is that Steve McNair jersey working for you !!!???[/quote]  
Sep 3, 2009 4:26 pm
Ron 14:

[quote=Squash1]No wonder you hate Favre your from chicago… Where having a qb means nothing. Nor winning games, except for fluke seasons… Can we call Urlacher overrated now.

I think Favre knows the problems of his past (interceptions) notice how he took sacks in that preseason game, old favre would have just heaved it. Plus if they are up in the 4th(and I think they will be a lot) then All day AP will get the ball and if he needs a rest(which he won’t) then they have Chester Taylor… (DISCLAIMER: I am a TENN Titans fan, not a viking fan, but I do enjoy watching Favre play)

  Also, you aren't getting my point. No $hit they will be up in the 4th qtr and they will be running the ball. It is inevitable that a 3rd and 4 will come and a play action pass will be called and Favre loses the game by throwing to the other team. Similar to the 6 picks he threw against the Rams in the playoffs and the pick he threw against the Giants 2 years ago in the NFC Championship game in OT. The guy has a huge ego and it is beginning to take him down. It happened to MJ too.[/quote]   Don't forget the other 3 blow-ups this decade:   [quote=3rdyrp2]Favre hasn't sniffed a title in 13 years, and in recent history has been the key reason why they haven't sniffed a title (OT interception in '03 vs. Eagles in playoff loss, OT interception in '07 vs. Giants in NFC title game loss, 4 INT's vs. Vikings in '04 playoff loss, 6 INT's vs Rams in '01 playoff loss, 2 INT's and a lost fumble vs. Falcons in '02 playoff loss).  He was DIRECTLY at fault for all 5 playoff eliminations this decade alone.  [/quote]
Sep 3, 2009 5:03 pm

Thank you. I missed that post. Well done.

3rdyrp2 - Who is your team ?
Sep 3, 2009 5:04 pm

Philly. 

Sep 3, 2009 5:10 pm

They have as good a chance as anyone in the NFC.

Sep 3, 2009 5:38 pm

There hasn’t been a year since '01, except maybe during the T.O. saga in '05, when I haven’t told myself the same thing in the preseason.  This is the year!!!

Sep 3, 2009 5:57 pm

In the NFL everyone has a chance besides the Raiders and Lions !

Sep 3, 2009 6:03 pm
Ron 14:

In the NFL everyone has a chance besides the Raiders and Lions !

  Speaking of the Raiders, Forbes just listed them as the NFL's least valuable franchise, running >$5mm operating loss annually. Sweet job, Al!
Sep 3, 2009 6:04 pm

Wow. That is unreal. Who was number one ? Dallas, NE, Wash ?

Sep 3, 2009 6:08 pm

Dallas, worth >$1.6 billion.

Oakland was valued at just under $800mm   Al Davis needs to get out of his own way.
Sep 21, 2009 1:03 pm

If you take a gander at the NFL Stats Leaderboard

Link provided

You’ll see Brett Favre firmly ensconced in 2nd place behind perennial MVP front-runner Drew Brees.

Those that said Favre didn’t have it anymore appear to have been POONED pretty badly on this one. …

Sep 21, 2009 2:27 pm

[quote=SometimesNowhere]Dallas, worth >$1.6 billion.

Oakland was valued at just under $800mm   Al Davis needs to get out of his own way.[/quote]   I think a lot of that has to do with stadium not so much product on the field(though it helps.. Dallas hasn't won a playoff game since '96) I think most of the value is based on revenue generated by stadiums...kind a crap poll if you ask me.
Sep 21, 2009 2:48 pm

[quote=Squash1][quote=SometimesNowhere]Dallas, worth >$1.6 billion.

Oakland was valued at just under $800mm   Al Davis needs to get out of his own way.[/quote]   I think a lot of that has to do with stadium not so much product on the field(though it helps.. Dallas hasn't won a playoff game since '96) I think most of the value is based on revenue generated by stadiums...kind a crap poll if you ask me.[/quote]   I half agree. Last year the Yankees were an overpaid, underproducing team putting a mediocre product on the field and still made decent change. If you run a franchise into the ground, however, you start losing money where it counts, merchandising, advertising revenue, etc. I don't really know much about the money of sports, but it seems to me that a ever dwindling percentage of revenue comes from the gate and $9 beers.   Love him or hate him, Jerry Jones is a smart guy because he creates reasons to watch the Cowboys and sell merchandise, both important revenue streams.
Sep 21, 2009 3:58 pm
BerkshireBull:

If you take a gander at the NFL Stats Leaderboard

Link provided

You’ll see Brett Favre firmly ensconced in 2nd place behind perennial MVP front-runner Drew Brees.

Those that said Favre didn’t have it anymore appear to have been POONED pretty badly on this one. …

  Here we go...   Favre is a solid 30th in the NFL in yards per attempt with 5.52 per throw, firmly ensconced between Brady Quinn and Matt Stafford in the rankings.  He's a solid 33rd in longest pass of the year, with 21 yards being his longest, firmly ensconced between Matt Moore and Seneca Wallace in the rankings.  His 3 td passes have totaled 10 yards.  Lets not quite annoint the guy Comeback Player of the Year yet. 
Sep 21, 2009 4:47 pm

Any starting college QB could have done what Favre has done to this point. Anyone who thinks Favre is a top 15 QB either hasnt watched a game or doesn’t know anything about football. Sure he is one of the greatest ever, but that doesn’t mean he is good now. And if you think the Packers and Jets aren’t better off WITHOUT him you are an idiot.

Sep 21, 2009 4:55 pm
Ron 14:

Any starting college QB could have done what Favre has done to this point. Anyone who thinks Favre is a top 15 QB either hasnt watched a game or doesn’t know anything about football. Sure he is one of the greatest ever, but that doesn’t mean he is good now. And if you think the Packers and Jets aren’t better off WITHOUT him you are an idiot.

  And they thought it was a good idea to pay a guy TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS to come out of retirement to throw 5 yard dink and dunk passes all day.  The team is 2-0 so you can't really say that its not working for them, but no one can possibly say that Tavaris Jackson couldn't throw for 125 yards a game for 1/12 the price.
Sep 21, 2009 5:03 pm
3rdyrp2:

[quote=Ron 14]Any starting college QB could have done what Favre has done to this point. Anyone who thinks Favre is a top 15 QB either hasnt watched a game or doesn’t know anything about football. Sure he is one of the greatest ever, but that doesn’t mean he is good now. And if you think the Packers and Jets aren’t better off WITHOUT him you are an idiot.

  And they thought it was a good idea to pay a guy TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS to come out of retirement to throw 5 yard dink and dunk passes all day.  The team is 2-0 so you can't really say that its not working for them, but no one can possibly say that Tavaris Jackson couldn't throw for 125 yards a game for 1/12 the price.[/quote]   Not to mention that the team is being carried by the absolute monster that is AP. If you watched a game you would see that that guy is ridiculous. I could play starting QB for the Vikings and be just as productive.
Sep 21, 2009 5:32 pm

No doubt. AP is a monster. I really hope he can stay healthy because he should destroy d***erson’s single season record. I still think they will need a playmaking QB in the playoffs, even if it is Jackson dropping back and then taking off.

Sep 21, 2009 5:53 pm
Ron 14:

No doubt. AP is a monster. I really hope he can stay healthy because he should destroy d***erson’s single season record. I still think they will need a playmaking QB in the playoffs, even if it is Jackson dropping back and then taking off.

 
Sep 21, 2009 6:02 pm
3rdyrp2:

[quote=BerkshireBull] If you take a gander at the NFL Stats LeaderboardLink providedYou’ll see Brett Favre firmly ensconced in 2nd place behind perennial MVP front-runner Drew Brees.Those that said Favre didn’t have it anymore appear to have been POONED pretty badly on this one. …



Here we go…



Favre is a solid 30th in the NFL in yards per attempt with 5.52 per throw, firmly ensconced between Brady Quinn and Matt Stafford in the rankings. He’s a solid 33rd in longest pass of the year, with 21 yards being his longest, firmly ensconced between Matt Moore and Seneca Wallace in the rankings. His 3 td passes have totaled 10 yards. Lets not quite annoint the guy Comeback Player of the Year yet. [/quote]



Yeah but in the NFL all that counts is the record…2-0 vs 0-2(brady quinn) vs 0-2(stafford) vs 1-1(Wallace, seahawks)… No not comeback player, but the guy this team needed.
Sep 21, 2009 6:04 pm
3rdyrp2:

[quote=Ron 14]Any starting college QB could have done what Favre has done to this point. Anyone who thinks Favre is a top 15 QB either hasnt watched a game or doesn’t know anything about football. Sure he is one of the greatest ever, but that doesn’t mean he is good now. And if you think the Packers and Jets aren’t better off WITHOUT him you are an idiot.



And they thought it was a good idea to pay a guy TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS to come out of retirement to throw 5 yard dink and dunk passes all day. The team is 2-0 so you can’t really say that its not working for them, but no one can possibly say that Tavaris Jackson couldn’t throw for 125 yards a game for 1/12 the price.[/quote]



He couldn’t, doesn’t command the respect Favre does in the passing game, there is no threat… That is why they did give the job to Jackson(they even brought in Rosenfelds, jackson was so bad)…
Sep 21, 2009 6:18 pm

[quote=Squash1] [quote=3rdyrp2] [quote=Ron 14]Any starting college QB could have done what Favre has done to this point. Anyone who thinks Favre is a top 15 QB either hasnt watched a game or doesn’t know anything about football. Sure he is one of the greatest ever, but that doesn’t mean he is good now. And if you think the Packers and Jets aren’t better off WITHOUT him you are an idiot. [/quote]

 
And they thought it was a good idea to pay a guy TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS to come out of retirement to throw 5 yard dink and dunk passes all day.  The team is 2-0 so you can't really say that its not working for them, but no one can possibly say that Tavaris Jackson couldn't throw for 125 yards a game for 1/12 the price.[/quote]

He couldn't, doesn't command the respect Favre does in the passing game, there is no threat.... That is why they did give the job to Jackson(they even brought in Rosenfelds, jackson was so bad)..[/quote]   He threw 9 TD's, 2 picks, averaged over 7 yards per pass and had a QB rating of 95.4 in limited action last year, which was only his 2nd full season in the league.  He had a bad playoff game, his 1st of his career, but has anyone seen Favres playoff stats this decade?
Sep 29, 2009 3:35 am

There is one game the Vikings lose if rosenfals or jackson are qb…

Sep 29, 2009 3:47 am

I am fairly certain Rosefels and Jackson can throw hail mary’s

Sep 29, 2009 3:54 am

I can too, but I guarantee you they wouldn’t get there. That was a great throw and catch

Sep 29, 2009 11:58 am

That was a great throw and catch.  I must give credit where credit is due.

Sep 29, 2009 4:12 pm

Not saying it wasn’t a great catch, but even he said he just threw it up there

Sep 29, 2009 5:16 pm

this is just like last year.  Favre is doing great right now, he will wear down in nov-dec.

Sep 29, 2009 5:20 pm

I don’t have a dog in this fight (although I’m pretty sure that he banged an ex-girlfriend of mine). But you guys are some Favre haters.

Sep 29, 2009 5:48 pm

I am a Favre hater and I won’t hide from it !! Next Monday is an ESPN wet dream, Packers at Vikings ! Stuart Scott and Boomer are walking around the studios right now with their pants around their ankles.

Sep 29, 2009 6:30 pm
henryhill:

this is just like last year. Favre is doing great right now, he will wear down in nov-dec.



Yeah except Mangini isn't in charge anymore(nice job in cleveland by the way)
Sep 29, 2009 6:33 pm

Childress isn’t any better

Oct 6, 2009 12:58 pm

Man Brett Favre sucks, huh? Who knew they’d beat GB?

Oct 6, 2009 2:14 pm
Ron 14:

Childress isn’t any better



I am beginning to think you don't watch football... Minnesota was like 11-5 last year and in the playoffs (Jets made playoffs once under Mangini... read an interesting article that basically said never hire a belichek defensive coordinator(romeo crennel,mangini) because belichek runs the defense and not sure what the def cord does, except take credit)

Favre was great last night, even when All Day had a horrible game. That cornerback Winfield is awesome.

Rodgers looked good too considering he was running for his life most of the game(7 sacks??) and the pass rush of GB is terrible, why is Aaron Kampman(37 sacks in 2 years) dropping back into coverage?
Oct 6, 2009 2:20 pm

I was wrong.  I started to begin seeing the light last week w/that last second throw, but last night clinched it.  I can’t believe the dude’s still got it.  Can anyone remember the last time that he looked that much in control?  Especially w/the run game being absolutely shut down.

Oct 6, 2009 2:25 pm

Nice work. You wait a week until responding to that comment on Childress. You can think he is a great coach all you want, the guy can’t even find the challenge flag and has never done anything but bring Andy Reid lunch.

  Favre did look great last night, I have no problem admitting that. He looked great early last year also. If you think Favre is better than Rodgers you are a complete dumbass.
Oct 6, 2009 2:26 pm
Moraen:

Man Brett Favre sucks, huh? Who knew they’d beat GB?

  Well they were favored by 5 points, so every gambling line in the country knew it.     Can you guys read ? I never said he sucks. I was complaining that he is an arrogant egomaniac who loves the spotlight. I was right again. Last night Jon Gruden was beating his meat in the booth the entire night. Showing Favre's practice highlights from 1996 ? Give me a break. Then Favre is about to cry in post game interview. What a stroke.
Oct 6, 2009 2:43 pm

I think he is the greatest example of defeating his own legend in pro sports.  Maybe Pete Rose was worse, but Favre’s just seems more self-inflicted.  The guy had the football world by the ba!!s, and he just walked away from the opportunity.  So how do you think the GB fans are going to feel when he wears a GB shirt into Canton?  I mean, seriously, he pissed all over them, but he can’t realistically wear any other shirt. 

Oct 6, 2009 2:51 pm

Let’s not forget the Packers told Favre they did not want him anymore.  The guy just wanted to play, and he seems to be doing pretty well.  It felt pretty good last night watching Favre stick it to Packer management.

Oct 6, 2009 2:58 pm

[quote=Ron 14] Nice work. You wait a week until responding to that comment on Childress. You can think he is a great coach all you want, the guy can’t even find the challenge flag and has never done anything but bring Andy Reid lunch.



Favre did look great last night, I have no problem admitting that. He looked great early last year also. If you think Favre is better than Rodgers you are a complete dumbass. [/quote]



What has Rodgers done? That is like comparing Kyle Orton to John Elway… Sure they play for the same team and Orton is 4-0, but Elway did it for a long time with playoff and superbowl wins.



Rodgers was so great last year GB missed the playoffs after going 13-3,then they go 6-10??? Rodgers is younger I will give you that, but we all know the QB position is more about leadership and knowing what to do than it is 40 times and who can throw the farthest… If i was starting a team i would definitely pick Rodgers, but if I have an established team and can make a run or two then i go favre.



Does the challenge flag really matter, when the guy intercepts it on the next play or when you are winning 30-14?
Oct 6, 2009 3:00 pm
B24:

I think he is the greatest example of defeating his own legend in pro sports. Maybe Pete Rose was worse, but Favre’s just seems more self-inflicted. The guy had the football world by the ba!!s, and he just walked away from the opportunity. So how do you think the GB fans are going to feel when he wears a GB shirt into Canton? I mean, seriously, he pissed all over them, but he can’t realistically wear any other shirt.



Seriously did you miss the throw last weekend??? Legends are for the media and punks... Didn't Michael Jordan ruin his own legend when he was on the wizards? Do you think he cares? Did you hear his hall of fame speech, he thinks he can still play... That's what makes these guys who they are. Legend status is for media, book writers and fans of the opposing teams.. No one else cares
Oct 6, 2009 3:07 pm

You think teams in the NFL would select Favre over Rodgers in a draft today ? I am not talking about career. Favre is arguably the best QB ever, but TODAY I would select Rodgers.

  Rodgers will never have a career like Favre has had. And yes the challenge flag matters. You don't judge things like that after the fact. You look at whether or not it was a good call/challenge when it was/wasnt made.
Oct 6, 2009 3:31 pm

I said if i was starting a new team I would pick Rodgers…



I hate the idea of challenge flags, roughing the passer, hitting a defenseless receiver. The game is becoming flag football… It was great to see Tebow get lit up. That is why college football will always be better.

Oct 6, 2009 3:42 pm

Sorry about that. I didn’t read your entire post.

  I agree with the roughing the passer and hitting a defenseless WR. The way Brady was able to whine and get the ref to throw a flag even though he didnt even hit the ground was a joke.
Oct 8, 2009 9:52 pm

Anyone else like the Sears commercial with Favre as much as I do?

Oct 8, 2009 11:34 pm

I will admit, that is hilarious.

Oct 9, 2009 12:17 am
Ron 14:

I will admit, that is hilarious.



Is someone caving on Favre?
Oct 9, 2009 3:52 am

Look, I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to say that Favre isn’t a hall of fame QB.  What annoys many of us is how he “retires” each year so he can skip training camp and how petty he acts about Green Bay management.  The first chance he got, he makes a beeline for Minnesota to give Green Bay the finger.

  This annual retirement talk gets real old.  If Favre had shown more class about what happenend in Green Bay and had been more honest about his training camp avoidance routine, I wouldn't be here hatin' on him.  As it stands, he's about three notches above Barry Bonds on my respect-o-meter.
Oct 9, 2009 4:30 am

I’m not even sure I can blame Favre for all the retire/not retire nonsense.  I think this goes back to the old theory that we talked about a while back with SportsCenter being the root of the problem.  I think we can all agree that if there is a sniff of a hot sports story out there, SportsCenter will hop all over it and pound it into the ground like there’s no tomorrow.  “Vick’s in training camp with the Eagles??  Lets put 15 cameras outside his hotel, locker room and cafeteria at ALL TIMES, and have ‘Breaking News’ stories show up every 10 minutes, even if its only to say he’s excited about playing again!”  “Florida State’s administration is unhappy with Bobby Bowden’s recent performance?  Lets beat this story into the ground until America wishes college football would just go away!”  “Favre’s getting “the itch” again?  Lets send John Clayton down to Kiln, Mississippi so we can be updated every time Favre takes a dump.  If it stinks, he’s seriously wanting to come back.  If it has no smell, he’s enjoying retirement.”

  SportsCenter is taking away all the imagination from fans, and I think making sports and the athletes way too real for people.  Back in the day there were teenagers and even young adults that idolized guys like Bradshaw and Montana and Payton, and part of the reason is because they were held up on a pedestal and pro sports was on a different level than the rest of civilization.  Now we can go online and read twitter posts by some 4th string linebacker for the Redskins and realize that pro athletes can't even spell.  ESPN is killing sports.
Oct 9, 2009 2:03 pm

[quote=Indyone]Look, I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to say that Favre isn’t a hall of fame QB.  What annoys many of us is how he “retires” each year so he can skip training camp and how petty he acts about Green Bay management.  The first chance he got, he makes a beeline for Minnesota to give Green Bay the finger.

  This annual retirement talk gets real old.  If Favre had shown more class about what happenend in Green Bay and had been more honest about his training camp avoidance routine, I wouldn't be here hatin' on him.  As it stands, he's about three notches above Barry Bonds on my respect-o-meter.[/quote]   Bingo. He was a great QB, top 3 of all time. I said that from the start, but god forbid you criticize Jesus in cleats about his last few off season acts.
Oct 9, 2009 2:12 pm

[quote=3rdyrp2] I’m not even sure I can blame Favre for all the retire/not retire nonsense. I think this goes back to the old theory that we talked about a while back with SportsCenter being the root of the problem. I think we can all agree that if there is a sniff of a hot sports story out there, SportsCenter will hop all over it and pound it into the ground like there’s no tomorrow. “Vick’s in training camp with the Eagles?? Lets put 15 cameras outside his hotel, locker room and cafeteria at ALL TIMES, and have ‘Breaking News’ stories show up every 10 minutes, even if its only to say he’s excited about playing again!” “Florida State’s administration is unhappy with Bobby Bowden’s recent performance? Lets beat this story into the ground until America wishes college football would just go away!” “Favre’s getting “the itch” again? Lets send John Clayton down to Kiln, Mississippi so we can be updated every time Favre takes a dump. If it stinks, he’s seriously wanting to come back. If it has no smell, he’s enjoying retirement.”



SportsCenter is taking away all the imagination from fans, and I think making sports and the athletes way too real for people. Back in the day there were teenagers and even young adults that idolized guys like Bradshaw and Montana and Payton, and part of the reason is because they were held up on a pedestal and pro sports was on a different level than the rest of civilization. Now we can go online and read twitter posts by some 4th string linebacker for the Redskins and realize that pro athletes can’t even spell. ESPN is killing sports.[/quote]



Completely agree…(Though did we think football players were really that smart to begin with). I hate twitter, but if it gets rid of the media then I am all for it.
Oct 9, 2009 2:14 pm

[quote=Indyone] Look, I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to say that Favre isn’t a hall of fame QB. What annoys many of us is how he “retires” each year so he can skip training camp and how petty he acts about Green Bay management. The first chance he got, he makes a beeline for Minnesota to give Green Bay the finger.



This annual retirement talk gets real old. If Favre had shown more class about what happenend in Green Bay and had been more honest about his training camp avoidance routine, I wouldn’t be here hatin’ on him. As it stands, he’s about three notches above Barry Bonds on my respect-o-meter.[/quote]



See I don’t care how good of person they are I watch for the athletic performance(how much has been documented on Ted Williams(racist, jerkoff)) I think Barry Bonds is one of the top players in baseball history. Sure he probably took steroids, but then so did half the people he was playing against(even battlefield), and I think a lot of teams could have signed him(AL DH) and do a lot better than they did or are.
Oct 9, 2009 2:19 pm

Chief - That is absolutely the way I should be looking at it. For some reason I get easily annoyed at off the field stuff when in reality it is irrelevant. Sports is entertainment and I should leave it there, but I can’t.

Oct 9, 2009 5:00 pm

Just found this gem:

  http://www.theonion.com/content/news/espn_completely_misses_brett_favre
Oct 12, 2009 2:51 pm

There is a win with Tavaris, Favre, or a High School backup at QB.

Oct 19, 2009 12:04 am
Ron 14:

Any starting college QB could have done what Favre has done to this point. Anyone who thinks Favre is a top 15 QB either hasnt watched a game or doesn’t know anything about football. Sure he is one of the greatest ever, but that doesn’t mean he is good now. And if you think the Packers and Jets aren’t better off WITHOUT him you are an idiot.

  Hey Ron Just got done watching Favre pull off another 4th quarter victory, the Packers look like crap beating the Lions and Sanchez throw 6 picks against a poor Bills team.  I think you owe Brett Favre a big ol appology!
Oct 19, 2009 1:01 am

No I don't. Stay tuned.

Oct 19, 2009 1:07 am
Ron 14:

No I don’t. Stay tuned.



Let me guess Ron: The Vikings could win every game from here on out and Favre could complete every pass with no interceptions and you would still say he's the biggest stroke in history and not Hall-of-Fame worthy.
Oct 19, 2009 1:18 am

Morean, let me guess you can’t read.  Look at the thread and others. I said he is one of the 3 best of all time. So was Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Michael Jordan. And each and every one of them are total strokes. All right at the top of the list in the history of sports. Egomaniacs who think they call the shots and try to burn everyone who doesn’t lick their sack.

Oct 19, 2009 1:24 am

Ron, your first post was calling him out as being the biggest stroke in sports history.



I am reading from your posts. I just can’t believe he keeps winning games and you keep bashing him.



I don’t watch sports.   I could care less. If they bother you so much, don’t watch dude.



Also, I can’t believe you are that sensitive about this thread. And after I wrote on another thread about you are thick-skinned and able to poke fun at yourself.

Oct 19, 2009 1:57 am

Well the reason I am annoyed is because you are the 3rd or 4th dude to completely miss my point and then pile on after a good game that Favre wins. My bottom line is the Vikings were a playoff team last year and they were going to be this year. The move for the Vikings was a good one as it upgraded that position. He is a sure fire Hall of Famer and a top 3 QB of all time.

  He is a stroke because of what he did in the off seasons to the Packers for a few years and the Jets and Vikings this year. He is a stroke for not wanting to practice or put in the time that each and every one of his teammates has to put in. Just as Roger Clemens was a stroke for not wanting to go to spring training or travel to road games that he was pitching in. Just like MJ was a stroke for flip flopping on retirement. Also the Jets were 7-3 last year and the AFC favorite through 11 weeks last year. So stay tuned for all of you who think Favre is the Favre of 10 years ago.
Oct 19, 2009 2:48 am

But the Jets had bad coaching(look how good mangini is this year)… Also didn’t you say the jets were better without him(8 ints in last 2 games). Another big difference is that AP demands more respect then Thomas Jones. Also the recievers are better(Rice 6’4" and berrian, plus the TE)

Oct 19, 2009 3:36 am
Squash1:

But the Jets had bad coaching(look how good mangini is this year)… Also didn’t you say the jets were better without him(8 ints in last 2 games). Another big difference is that AP demands more respect then Thomas Jones. Also the recievers are better(Rice 6’4" and berrian, plus the TE)

  Jets weren't a playoff team with Favre. They have a new coach and they are rebuilding so yes, they are better off without him by developing a young QB and moving forward, just like the Packers.   Yeah, no sh*t AP demands more respect than Jones. I am not saying last years Jets were better than this years Vikings. Vikings D is awesome and they have many more weapons and they were a playoff team without Favre. Bringing in Favre was the right move for the Vikings because it upgraded the position. That doesn't mean he isn't a douche for his flip flopping and it doesn't mean that he is going to keep up this pace.
Oct 19, 2009 3:37 am

Favre is a jerk but Cutler is the man?  There’s a contradiction.

Oct 19, 2009 3:49 am

I would have done exactly what Cutler did if a new boss came in and tried shipping me out of town.

I would never hold multiple teams hostage to my ego because I didn't want to practice and improve the team.
Oct 19, 2009 10:58 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

I would have done exactly what Cutler did if a new boss came in and tried shipping me out of town.

I would never hold multiple teams hostage to my ego because I didn't want to practice and improve the team. [/quote]   I would hope you know that your seat is available at any time if your boss feels he can upgrade.  This is the way of life.  Orton is outplaying Cutler this year, I wonder if that's because of the system, which if you watch Denver games (they are the "local" team in my market) you would know as good as Cutler was, he was not suited for the new system.  I didn't like Favre coming in late either, but he is a better QB today than Cutler is.  My opinion may change if he has another late season meltdown, but for now he is the difference between a 2 1/2 game division lead and 3rd place in the division with a 3-3 record.
Oct 20, 2009 1:50 am

Favre and Orton are better QB’s today than Cutler ? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Football games consist of 22 players on the field at one time. To downgrade a QB because his surrounding cast isn’t as good is just meathead thinking. If you asked every GM in the league who they would want out of those 3 to start a team, 75% would say Cutler.

Oct 20, 2009 2:19 am

I didn’t say that Orton was more talented than Cutler, I asked if it was possible he fits McDaniels system better than Cutler.  Favre is playing better than Cutler at this point.  Speaking of surrounding casts, what amazing additions did Denver add?  How is it they are playing so well after last seasons meltdown?  Chicago added Cutler and looks like the same team they were with Orton, Denver added Orton and they are one of the top teams in the AFC.

Oct 20, 2009 2:27 am

Well Denver’s D went from bottom 5 to top 5, I would say that helps and has ZERO to do with Orton.

  The Bears have 3 new offensive lineman who aren't playing well, which is obvious by how far down Forte's numbers are. Cutler is all they have on offense and he single handedly has kept them in every game. Bears would be 1-4 with Orton. Broncos would be 6-0. Look at Cutler's record in Denver when they gave up less than 21 pts, something like 20-2.
Oct 20, 2009 2:48 am

I wonder if Denver cutting it’s offensive turnovers in half from last year helps?  Or how about the 3 additional minutes a game they control the ball?  At the end of the day, the Broncos are better this year minus one of their best players at the most important position, while Chicago is about the same as last year with an upgrade at the games most important position.  Spin it how you like, just don’t tell me how great Cutler is until he makes a difference.

Oct 20, 2009 2:53 am

That isn’t spin. It is reality. Brian Dawkins helps. Mike Nolan helps. Healthy running backs help. Last year Denver went through 5 different starting RB’s. Matt Forte’s numbers are way down. The Bears have 3 new offensive lineman.

  If it is all about the QB why are the Chiefs 1-5? Cassell was 11-5 last year. That is who McDaniel wanted. Did you find Cutler's record when the D didn't give up 21 ? Ill find it for you.
Oct 20, 2009 3:04 am

I would like to know Cutler’s record when his team scores more than the other team as that is about as meaningful a stat.  How about looking up his ints/gm in wins vs. losses.

Oct 20, 2009 3:17 am

Looked it up myself.  20 wins, 14 ints.  22 losses, 30 ints.  I know I’ve heard something about turnovers and their relationship to winning.

Oct 20, 2009 3:22 am

I’ve watched football for a long time, and I’ll give the skinny on some of these guys in question:

  Kyle Orton:  Perfect for Denver's system.  I think Cutler had every right to get pissed about the new coach coming in and trying to shuffle personnel around when he was already Pro Bowl caliber.  Nevertheless, Orton is a "game manager", and Denvers offense is based around the QB taking what the defense gives him and making zero mistakes.  That is exactly what Orton is.   Jay Cutler:  Gunslinger.  Makes plays.  Sees what lesser quarterbacks don't see.  Will sometimes try to make a play that isn't there, and cost his team the possession.  Reminds me of Favre from the 90's when the play broke down and he'd have the ability to scramble for 20 yards or tornado himself into the endzone like he did a couple weeks ago.  We all saw what he was able to do last year when he had Royal and Marshall.  He doesn't have 1/5 of the talent at receiver as he had last year, but he's still making people take notice of Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett.    Matt Cassel:  A Josh McDaniels-type quarterback.  Give him a system, tell him to manage it, and sit back and bask in the glory.  Look who is coach is now.  Todd Haley.  What was his role in Arizona?  That offense was a gunslinging, run-and-shoot type offense where Warner throws the ball up for grabs and tells Boldin and Fitzgerald to jump up and grab it.  COMPLETE opposite of what he did in New England, and what he would have done in Denver.  The absolute wrong quarterback for Kansas City, and I cringed when I saw the signing go down. 
Oct 20, 2009 3:51 am

So Jeb, you are starting a team and you have to pick a QB first. Orton and Cutler are the only two choices. You Jeb are choosing Cutler. This is what you are saying ?

Oct 20, 2009 4:04 am

I give up. Orton and Favre are going to tie for the MVP Award, both lead their teams to 16-0 seasons, meet in the Super Bowl, throw for 7 TD’s each in the best Super Bowl ever, that is won by the team with the ball last. Orton and Favre are the most dominant QB’s in the league right now and the two best players in the NFL. Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Cutler, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rodgers, Flacco, Palmer, Romo, Warner, McNabb, Hasselback- all just frauds.

Oct 20, 2009 6:16 pm

[quote=Ron 14] That isn’t spin. It is reality. Brian Dawkins helps. Mike Nolan helps. Healthy running backs help. Last year Denver went through 5 different starting RB’s. Matt Forte’s numbers are way down. The Bears have 3 new offensive lineman.



If it is all about the QB why are the Chiefs 1-5? Cassell was 11-5 last year. That is who McDaniel wanted. Did you find Cutler’s record when the D didn’t give up 21 ? Ill find it for you. [/quote]



Because like Orton, Cassell is a system qb
Oct 20, 2009 7:11 pm

I agree they are system QB’s. I would rather have a legit QB than a system QB.

Oct 20, 2009 10:47 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

So Jeb, you are starting a team and you have to pick a QB first. Orton and Cutler are the only two choices. You Jeb are choosing Cutler. This is what you are saying ?

[/quote]   You're funny.  Instead of refuting a single point I have made, you have put words into my mouth.  I would pick the best players regardless of position that fit into my system.  I don't think anyone with a brain, including Josh McDaniels would say that Cassel was more mobile, had a better arm, or more experience than Cutler.  McDaniels did however say (by his actions) that Cassel was a better fit for his system.  Orton's play this year, in my opinion, is going a long way towards proving that thought.  Cutler has far superior physical skills than P Manning, however I think most would agree that Manning is a superior QB.  Cutler is the same in Chicago as he was at Denver, a QB that can do amazing things with a football, yet still has a record that leaves a lot to be desired.
Oct 20, 2009 11:19 pm

Well, actually I was clarifying your comments to make sure I was understanding you correctly. Also, I did refute every point you made by giving you Cutler’s excellent record when the Broncos held opponents under 21 pts and also the reason why the Bears have struggled. I now see your point.

Oct 25, 2009 8:13 pm

2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!

Oct 25, 2009 8:28 pm
Ron 14:

2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!

    Out of breath?  You are stretching your reasoning for your Favre hatred.  Was either turnover due to a Favre mistake?   Stripped from behind while attempting a pass is a good defensive play.  The int hit Taylor in the hands.  It wasn't thrown too hard or poorly, Taylor misplayed it.  Just think if Farve had 4 more turnovers in this game (6 total), he would equal Cutler's total for the season... even though Cutler has played two fewer games (as of right now).
Oct 25, 2009 8:53 pm
Jebediah:

[quote=Ron 14]2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!

    Out of breath?  You are stretching your reasoning for your Favre hatred.  Was either turnover due to a Favre mistake?   Stripped from behind while attempting a pass is a good defensive play.  The int hit Taylor in the hands.  It wasn't thrown too hard or poorly, Taylor misplayed it.  Just think if Farve had 4 more turnovers in this game (6 total), he would equal Cutler's total for the season... even though Cutler has played two fewer games (as of right now).[/quote]   I'd call both TO's Favre's fault.  QB's need to have their heads on a swivel and not hold the ball too long, and the screen to Taylor was thrown too hard, and Taylor had barely turned his head around by the time the ball came.  I put the most blame on Childress though.  You have the greatest offensive machine in the game, yet he uses him 1/4th of the amount he should use him.  Peterson had just gotten a 20+ yard reception.  Why is he on the bench for the next 2 plays (Including the INT).  He's a world class athlete who hadn't gotten 20 carries for the game to that point.  He's not that winded.  Keep your best player on the field.    Also, what is Childress doing rushing to call a timeout with :04 left,down 10?  Favre promptly got sacked and his throwing shoulder driven into the ground. Way to protect your $12 million investment, f***ing clown.
Oct 25, 2009 8:57 pm

You need to watch the game closer.  The ball was not thrown too hard, and Taylor was looking right at it.  A professional football player is expected to make that reception.  As far as the strip, the defensive guys get paid too.  I’m not saying Favre played a perfect game, just that neither of those plays were the result of a physical or mental mistake on Favre’s part.

Oct 25, 2009 8:57 pm

Jeb - When you pump fake on every pass play eventually it is going to burn you and that is what happened on the strip. The screen pass interception was thrown to hard and over taylors head.

  Childress sucks as a coach and these Favre lovers ripped on me for that also.
Oct 25, 2009 8:59 pm

[quote=Ron 14]Jeb - When you pump fake on every pass play eventually it is going to burn you and that is what happened on the strip. The screen pass interception was thrown to hard and over taylors head.

  Childress sucks as a coach and these Favre lovers ripped on me for that also. [/quote]     Finally something we can agree on, Childress is a clown.  I'm starting to get worried about your Bears, they are approaching 21 points given up and according to you, Cutler cannot win those games.
Oct 25, 2009 9:06 pm

He doesn't have a turnover and the Bears are down 21 pts. This proves my point that both offensive and defensive lines on the Bears are horrible. With Orton they would be 1-5.

Yeah. How many QB's consistently win games when their D gives up 21 pts in the 1st qtr ? NONE. I am sure you will blame Cutler when he throws 2 Int's even though now he has no choice but to force passes in there.
Oct 25, 2009 9:13 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

He doesn't have a turnover and the Bears are down 21 pts. This proves my point that both offensive and defensive lines on the Bears are horrible. With Orton they would be 1-5.

Yeah. How many QB's consistently win games when their D gives up 21 pts in the 1st qtr ? NONE. I am sure you will blame Cutler when he throws 2 Int's even though now he has no choice but to force passes in there. [/quote]  
Oct 25, 2009 9:33 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

He doesn't have a turnover and the Bears are down 21 pts. This proves my point that both offensive and defensive lines on the Bears are horrible. With Orton they would be 1-5.

Yeah. How many QB's consistently win games when their D gives up 21 pts in the 1st qtr ? NONE. I am sure you will blame Cutler when he throws 2 Int's even though now he has no choice but to force passes in there. [/quote]   You posted that Cutler was 20-2 when the other team scores less than 21 pts.  His career record is 20-22, so that would make him 0-20 when the other teams scores more than 21.  How many great QB's are 0 for their career when their defense gives up more than 21 pts?  Cutler is physically talented, but not a winner by any measure.  It also amuses me that any turnovers Cutler commits are not his fault because his team is behind, yet Favre's turnovers are all on him even though his team was behind.  Funny.
Oct 25, 2009 9:44 pm

[quote=Jebediah][quote=Ron 14]

He doesn't have a turnover and the Bears are down 21 pts. This proves my point that both offensive and defensive lines on the Bears are horrible. With Orton they would be 1-5.

Yeah. How many QB's consistently win games when their D gives up 21 pts in the 1st qtr ? NONE. I am sure you will blame Cutler when he throws 2 Int's even though now he has no choice but to force passes in there. [/quote]   You posted that Cutler was 20-2 when the other team scores less than 21 pts.  His career record is 20-22, so that would make him 0-20 when the other teams scores more than 21.  How many great QB's are 0 for their career when their defense gives up more than 21 pts?  Cutler is physically talented, but not a winner by any measure.  It also amuses me that any turnovers Cutler commits are not his fault because his team is behind, yet Favre's turnovers are all on him even though his team was behind.  Funny. [/quote]   Ahh come on you can't be serious here...He referenced if Cutler throws picks trying to come from a 28 point deficit.  Favre was in FG range down only by a FG on both of his devastating TO's.  Also, see the posts about Favre's TO record in playoff games in the 00's.  THAT's where the hate on him comes from.  Dude turns the ball over at the ABSOLUTE worst times.
Oct 25, 2009 9:46 pm

Favre’s team was behind by a FG. Cutler is down multiple TD’s, there is a huge difference.

  Cutler is 25 years old. You were probably ripping Peyton Manning 8 years ago using the same claims.   Jeb I would love to line up against you with or without equipment. We could then post the footage on this site.
Oct 25, 2009 9:56 pm

[quote=3rdyrp2][quote=Jebediah][quote=Ron 14]

He doesn't have a turnover and the Bears are down 21 pts. This proves my point that both offensive and defensive lines on the Bears are horrible. With Orton they would be 1-5.

Yeah. How many QB's consistently win games when their D gives up 21 pts in the 1st qtr ? NONE. I am sure you will blame Cutler when he throws 2 Int's even though now he has no choice but to force passes in there. [/quote]   You posted that Cutler was 20-2 when the other team scores less than 21 pts.  His career record is 20-22, so that would make him 0-20 when the other teams scores more than 21.  How many great QB's are 0 for their career when their defense gives up more than 21 pts?  Cutler is physically talented, but not a winner by any measure.  It also amuses me that any turnovers Cutler commits are not his fault because his team is behind, yet Favre's turnovers are all on him even though his team was behind.  Funny. [/quote]   Ahh come on you can't be serious here...He referenced if Cutler throws picks trying to come from a 28 point deficit.  Favre was in FG range down only by a FG on both of his devastating TO's.  Also, see the posts about Favre's TO record in playoff games in the 00's.  THAT's where the hate on him comes from.  Dude turns the ball over at the ABSOLUTE worst times.[/quote]     Ron Ron is trying to make excuses ahead of time.  That is what is funny.  Ron has talked about Cutler as a legit QB, even though he had a losing career record, can't win games unless the D holds the opponent to under 21 points, and turns the ball over too much.  If you feel the Bengals game is a bad example, let's look at the Packers game.
Oct 25, 2009 9:58 pm

[quote=Ron 14]Favre’s team was behind by a FG. Cutler is down multiple TD’s, there is a huge difference.

  Cutler is 25 years old. You were probably ripping Peyton Manning 8 years ago using the same claims.   Jeb I would love to line up against you with or without equipment. We could then post the footage on this site. [/quote]     So your legit QB can use age as an excuse, but the oldest position player in the league doesn't get cut any slack?  Face it, Favre is outplaying Cutler to this point this season.
Oct 25, 2009 10:09 pm

Your command of the english language is unbelievable. What country are you from ? Seriously. You are saying “career” record. I am saying he is 25 so he has plenty of career left. I am not saying his age is why he hasn’t played perfectly. For what he has to work with he has performed well. You can’t judge a guy on career numbers when he is in his 3rd year as a starter, that just doesn’t make sense.

Oct 25, 2009 10:11 pm

You just said Cutler isn't a legit QB. That proves you don't know anything about the game. Im done with your dumb ass.

Oct 25, 2009 10:42 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

You just said Cutler isn't a legit QB. That proves you don't know anything about the game. Im done with your dumb ass.

[/quote]     I think you are the one with a lack of understanding of the English language.  Name calling and saying you are done is the easy way out of an argument you know you can't win.  About what I expected.
Oct 25, 2009 10:45 pm
Ron 14:

Your command of the english language is unbelievable. What country are you from ? Seriously. You are saying “career” record. I am saying he is 25 so he has plenty of career left. I am not saying his age is why he hasn’t played perfectly. For what he has to work with he has performed well. You can’t judge a guy on career numbers when he is in his 3rd year as a starter, that just doesn’t make sense.

    You are the one who brought up Cutlers career record in games where the opposing team scored less than 21 points to illustrate how good he is, now you object when I point out the other side of the statistic, that he can't win unless the defense gives up less than 21 points.  You are an amazing little man.  Funny.
Oct 26, 2009 2:44 am
Jebediah:

[quote=Ron 14]2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!

    Out of breath?  You are stretching your reasoning for your Favre hatred.  Was either turnover due to a Favre mistake?   Stripped from behind while attempting a pass is a good defensive play.  The int hit Taylor in the hands.  It wasn't thrown too hard or poorly, Taylor misplayed it.  Just think if Farve had 4 more turnovers in this game (6 total), he would equal Cutler's total for the season... even though Cutler has played two fewer games (as of right now).[/quote]   That play should have never happened. That was a crap call that negateted that touchdown to sidney rice...
Oct 26, 2009 2:50 am
Squash1:

[quote=Jebediah][quote=Ron 14]2 turnovers for TD’s, was completely out of breath the entire 2nd half, finally played a decent team. Favre!!! MVP!!!

    Out of breath?  You are stretching your reasoning for your Favre hatred.  Was either turnover due to a Favre mistake?   Stripped from behind while attempting a pass is a good defensive play.  The int hit Taylor in the hands.  It wasn't thrown too hard or poorly, Taylor misplayed it.  Just think if Farve had 4 more turnovers in this game (6 total), he would equal Cutler's total for the season... even though Cutler has played two fewer games (as of right now).[/quote]   That play should have never happened. That was a crap call that negateted that touchdown to sidney rice...[/quote]   That would only matter to Ron Ron if the QB in question was Cutler.
Oct 26, 2009 3:36 pm

Three NFL Quarterbacks die and go to heaven. They go before God and he
asks all three of them what they believe.

God asks Peyton Manning first: "What do you believe?"

Peyton thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, "I believe in
hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving.
I was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my fans."

God can't help but see the essential goodness of Manning, and offers him a
seat to his left.

Then God turns to Tom Brady and says, "What do you believe?" 

Tom says, "I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the
fundamentals of life. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose; I've
always tried to be a true sportsman, both on and off the playing fields."

God is greatly moved by Tom's sincere eloquence and he offers him a seat
to his right.

Finally, God turns to Brett Favre: "And you, Brett, what do you believe?"

Brett replies, "I believe you're in my seat"

Oct 26, 2009 7:18 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

Three NFL Quarterbacks die and go to heaven. They go before God and he
asks all three of them what they believe.

God asks Peyton Manning first: "What do you believe?"

Peyton thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, "I believe in
hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving.
I was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my fans."

God can't help but see the essential goodness of Manning, and offers him a
seat to his left.

Then God turns to Tom Brady and says, "What do you believe?" 

Tom says, "I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the
fundamentals of life. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose; I've
always tried to be a true sportsman, both on and off the playing fields."

God is greatly moved by Tom's sincere eloquence and he offers him a seat
to his right.

Finally, God turns to Brett Favre: "And you, Brett, what do you believe?"

Brett replies, "I believe you're in my seat"

[/quote]   Seriously Brady fathered a kid and then took off to be with some supermodel... great role model..   But the part about Favre is funny
Oct 26, 2009 7:38 pm

I agree with you on the Brady part, he is a piece of trash. Maybe replace Brady with Warner.

Oct 26, 2009 7:44 pm

Jesus Freaks annoy me…

  How about Drew Brees..
Oct 26, 2009 7:53 pm

Dudes with large moles on their face scare me… how about Carson Palmer ?, lol

Oct 26, 2009 9:17 pm

[quote=Squash1][quote=Ron 14]

Three NFL Quarterbacks die and go to heaven. They go before God and he
asks all three of them what they believe.

God asks Peyton Manning first: "What do you believe?"

Peyton thinks long and hard, looks God in the eye, and says, "I believe in
hard work, and in staying true to family and friends. I believe in giving.
I was lucky, but I always tried to do right by my fans."

God can't help but see the essential goodness of Manning, and offers him a
seat to his left.

Then God turns to Tom Brady and says, "What do you believe?" 

Tom says, "I believe passion, discipline, courage and honor are the
fundamentals of life. I, too, have been lucky, but win or lose; I've
always tried to be a true sportsman, both on and off the playing fields."

God is greatly moved by Tom's sincere eloquence and he offers him a seat
to his right.

Finally, God turns to Brett Favre: "And you, Brett, what do you believe?"

Brett replies, "I believe you're in my seat"

[/quote]   Seriously Brady fathered a kid and then took off to be with some supermodel... great role model..   But the part about Favre is funny[/quote]   Come on.  He didn't father the kid then run off.  They didn't know she was even pregnant until after they'd broken up.  And he's not a deadbeat dad.  He was there at the hospital when the kid was born. 
Oct 27, 2009 2:19 am

Let me get this straight. Brady bangs one hot chick, knocks her up. Moves on to even hotter chick. Still is involved in his child’s life. And you guys don’t think he’s a role model?



Your definition of role model is different than mine.

Nov 1, 2009 11:07 pm

Ron, say you are sorry.

Nov 2, 2009 1:16 am

I think it’s officially time to start talking about Brett winning the MVP.  Here’s where I’d say everyone is at right now:

Leader - Drew Brees
2.  Favre
3.  Manning (close 3rd)
4.  Roethlisberger
5.  Adrian Peterson

Nov 2, 2009 1:51 am

Volt -Sorry for what? Obviously myself and 50,000 Packer fans agree, the guy is a douche bag.

  Let me repeat my stance before more women attack.   Favre is one of the 3 best QB's of all time (I said this on this site before the season started) Favre is a significant upgrade over what they had (also said this preseason on this site) If I was drafting a team TODAY I would take Rodgers over Favre Rodgers career will NOT be anything like Favre's   Berkshire -Favre over Peyton Manning for MVP? Are you f***ing kidding me ? It is that kind of meathead sh*t that pisses me off. Jared Allen and Peterson are both ahead of Favre. Manning and Brees are tied at the top.   Anyone see Favre postgame newsconference ? He was 30 minutes late, just like he was when he announced he was signing with the Vikings=douchebag move. Also, some reporter was talking to the guy next to him as Favre was answering the first question, Favre stops and says, "Does someone want to answer it for me?"=douchebag move   With that being said the Vikings will be favored in every single game the rest of the year, they don't play anyone good. They will probably go 13-3 and get a first round bye and most likely home field advantage. And yes, Favre is still a stroke for the way he d***ed around the last 3 offseasons, not committing to anything until the last minute, thus leaving numerous careers and teams hanging in the balance.
Nov 2, 2009 2:29 am

I try not to agree with cheeseheads on anything…

  Peterson is having a terrible year... Jared Allen is a monster and the chiefs got robbed.   Yet he will be in the playoffs and deep... whereas the bears, and packers won't be... neither will the jets they way they keep playing... So who wins??
Nov 2, 2009 4:24 am

Peterson’s having a terrible year?  He’s on pace for just under 2,000 total yards and 18 TD’s!  And this is all with him not even being in the game on 3rd downs! 

  No, Favre will not be "deep" into the playoffs.  He will have 2-3 turnovers in the divisional game at home and lose a heartbreaker like he has 8 other times this decade.    Yes, he's in the top 3 in MVP voting as of right now.  16 TD's and 3 INT's???  He's not #1 though.  That would be a huge disrespect to Peyton Manning.
Nov 8, 2009 11:13 pm

Thank God we got rid of Brett.  Why would we want an NFL Legend who would have us at 7-1 when we can have a homo from UC Berkley under center and be 4-4?

Nov 9, 2009 3:46 am
BerkshireBull:

Thank God we got rid of Brett.  Why would we want an NFL Legend who would have us at 7-1 when we can have a homo from UC Berkley under center and be 4-4?

  Yeah, Favre would have prevented that blocked punt, that 85 yd kickoff return, and a rookie QB from throwing 3 TD's.   Favre also would have avoided all of the sacks by stiff arming defensive lineman to the ground.   Packers OLine has given up 37 sacks in 8 games, on pace to break NFL record. Rodgers also leads NFL QB's in rushing yards. Just shows how bad that line is.    
Nov 10, 2009 3:28 am

Well Berk ?

Nov 10, 2009 8:13 am
Ron 14:

[quote=BerkshireBull]Thank God we got rid of Brett.  Why would we want an NFL Legend who would have us at 7-1 when we can have a homo from UC Berkley under center and be 4-4?

  Yeah, Favre would have prevented that blocked punt, that 85 yd kickoff return, and a rookie QB from throwing 3 TD's.   Favre also would have avoided all of the sacks by stiff arming defensive lineman to the ground.   Packers OLine has given up 37 sacks in 8 games, on pace to break NFL record. Rodgers also leads NFL QB's in rushing yards. Just shows how bad that line is.    [/quote] Rodgers makes O-line look bad... He should just throw it away on some downs when no one is open instead of holding it.
Nov 10, 2009 4:59 pm

Well you can’t throw the ball away when you are trailing in most games. You have limited chances to score because the D isn’t good either.

  Thats fine though. Keep licking favre's sack and complaining that Rodgers isn't as good when there is a good chance nobody will ever be. That makes about as much sense as Bulls fans complaining that Derrick Rose isn't a "leader" like Jordan was.
Nov 10, 2009 5:12 pm
BerkshireBull:

Thank God we got rid of Brett.  Why would we want an NFL Legend who would have us at 7-1 when we can have a homo from UC Berkley under center and be 4-4?

    Couple things, I think this is more an issue with the Oline than Rodgers.  Favre would be on a stretcher by now if he had gotten hit as many times.  Rodgers could and should do a better job of getting rid of the ball, as some of these sacks are his fault, but first blame goes to the Oline.
Nov 10, 2009 8:15 pm

What Oline?  I think the Wisconsin Badgers Oline could outperform the Packer’s OLine. 

If I was the GM of the Packers, I would only draft O-Lineman from 3 conferences:   Big 10 SEC Big 12   That's where the mean nasty O-Linemen go to school.  None of this WAC/ACC/unknown college BS..........
Nov 17, 2009 5:40 am

Brett Fave 344 yards yesterday.  This kid is crushing it.  8-1 now, has his team playing the best football in the NFC.  Super Bowl bound.

Nov 22, 2009 10:20 pm

The express just keeps rolling along.

Nov 23, 2009 12:53 am

He has 21 td to only 3 ints… just sick… where is bank broker at…

Nov 23, 2009 3:15 am

Right here Team Boy. He is playing awesome. Still a stroke. Him playing well doesn’t mean his offseason BS isn’t a joke. MJ played well for the Wizards, Clemens pitched well for the Astros. It is two different conversations. You guys are using his current play to defend the games he plays in the offseason. Makes no sense. Squash, go get some coffee for your team you grunt.

Nov 23, 2009 3:16 am

Cutler is having a tough night.

Nov 23, 2009 3:22 am

Also, the Vikings have played 1 team that would make the playoffs if the season ended today, Pittsburgh, and they lost.

Nov 23, 2009 3:42 am
Ron 14:

Also, the Vikings have played 1 team that would make the playoffs if the season ended today, Pittsburgh, and they lost.

    Actually they would be 2-1 against teams that would be in the playoffs if they started today.
Nov 23, 2009 4:08 am
Ron 14:

Also, the Vikings have played 1 team that would make the playoffs if the season ended today, Pittsburgh, and they lost.

    Here are the records for teams that would be in the playoffs as of the late afternoon games vs. the other 11 playoff teams.   NO  1-0 Min  2-1 Dal  0-2 Az  2-1 GB  1-3 NYG  1-2   Ind  3-0 Cin  3-0 NE  0-1 SD  1-1 PGH  2-2 Jax  0-2   and for good measure...   Chi  1-3.
Nov 23, 2009 2:39 pm

I was assuming the Eagles would beat the Bears, which they did, therefore knocking out the Packers so those 2 wins don't count. Nice try though.

Nov 23, 2009 11:46 pm

[quote=Ron 14]

I was assuming the Eagles would beat the Bears, which they did, therefore knocking out the Packers so those 2 wins don't count. Nice try though.

[/quote]     You made a statement that was false at the time you made it.  Deal with it.  Now you are qualifying your false statement?  Pack still the 2nd wildcard, Philly's win only put them in and the Giants out.  While this may change some of the records, 2 facts remain.   1.  The Vikings record against teams that would be in the playoff if the season yesterday afternoon or evening or right now is comparable to other teams.  The Vike don't get to pick the schedule, they just have to play it.  Your implication was simply wrong and based on your bias, nothing else.   2.  The Bears are now 1-4 against teams that would make the playoffs today.  Cutler missed many throws last night.  Two bombs to open receivers.   Intermediate throws over the middle high.  Stared down Olsen on the final pick.  These mistakes were not made because of pressure, the defense was not on the field, and had nothing to do with the running game.  Of course, the game was over as soon as Philly scored more than 20 points.  Cutler can throw the ball a long way, let me know when that translates into victories.   Nice try though.
Nov 24, 2009 12:34 am

[quote=Primo][quote=Ron 14]

I was assuming the Eagles would beat the Bears, which they did, therefore knocking out the Packers so those 2 wins don't count. Nice try though.

[/quote]     You made a statement that was false at the time you made it.  Deal with it.  Now you are qualifying your false statement?  Pack still the 2nd wildcard, Philly's win only put them in and the Giants out.  While this may change some of the records, 2 facts remain.   1.  The Vikings record against teams that would be in the playoff if the season yesterday afternoon or evening or right now is comparable to other teams.  The Vike don't get to pick the schedule, they just have to play it.  Your implication was simply wrong and based on your bias, nothing else.   2.  The Bears are now 1-4 against teams that would make the playoffs today.  Cutler missed many throws last night.  Two bombs to open receivers.   Intermediate throws over the middle high.  Stared down Olsen on the final pick.  These mistakes were not made because of pressure, the defense was not on the field, and had nothing to do with the running game.  Of course, the game was over as soon as Philly scored more than 20 points.  Cutler can throw the ball a long way, let me know when that translates into victories.   Nice try though.[/quote]   I don't have to qualify the statement. I made it at 9:22pm last night when the Eagles had the lead and anyone who has watched a Bear game this year knows they weren't going to win. Who the hell is talking about whether the Bears are good or not ? The Vikings will beat the crap out of the Bears this week. What is your point ?  My bad, the Giants are behind GB by a half game.
Nov 24, 2009 12:43 am

You obviously had a different screen name before, probably Jeb. How am I biased vs Cutler ? The entire city of meatheads wants Orton back ? Isn't that what I should want too because Cutler sucks now, evidently. Even legendary Bears QB Jim Miller says so!

It is easy to bash Cutler now. Just as it was easy to jump on the Broncos train when they were 5-0 and Mark Sanchez when he was 3-0. I said on this site that the Broncos wouldn't win the division when they were 5-0 and that Sanchez would throw more picks than TD's when they were 3-0, he had a 90 rating and people were calling him Sanchize. Instead of chasing me around trying to criticize everything I say, why don't you make a prediction of your own, you bitch.
Nov 24, 2009 2:14 am

[quote=Ron 14]

You obviously had a different screen name before, probably Jeb. How am I biased vs Cutler ? The entire city of meatheads wants Orton back ? Isn't that what I should want too because Cutler sucks now, evidently. Even legendary Bears QB Jim Miller says so!

It is easy to bash Cutler now. Just as it was easy to jump on the Broncos train when they were 5-0 and Mark Sanchez when he was 3-0. I said on this site that the Broncos wouldn't win the division when they were 5-0 and that Sanchez would throw more picks than TD's when they were 3-0, he had a 90 rating and people were calling him Sanchize. Instead of chasing me around trying to criticize everything I say, why don't you make a prediction of your own, you bitch. [/quote]   Little touchy?  I posted Favre looked good.  Later I posted Cutler was having a tough night. You posted a statement that was incorrect regardless of the outcome of Chi-Philly.  Due to the fact it was a terrible game, I wondered what playoff team vs. playoff teams records were, found it, posted it.  Got a PM that you were a Chicago fan, which may explain your implication that the Viking were not that good.  Posted Chicago's record to make a comparison.  You "qualified" your previous statement, made another false statement, then told me "nice try".   I posted 12 facts, 1 opinion, and 1 question.  Instead of refuting any of the facts, offering a differing opinion, or answering the question, you went off the rails on some tangent about Orton and Sanchez and called me a name.  I am sorry you do not know how to have a conversation and get so mad at words on a screen that you need to call a person you have never met a name.     
Nov 24, 2009 2:55 am

 You obviously have been reading this thread and you were piling on. You are piling on by commenting on the obvious which is Favre has been playing awesome and Cutler like crap. Someone PM’s you that I am a Bears fan so you rip them even though it was irrelevant. You are trying to stir sh*t up so I told you that if you want to state the obvious, after the fact, I am not impressed. If you want to throw out an opinion before hand it might carry more weight.  This thread has been going on for months and now all of the sudden you come out of the woodwork after Favre’s best game and Cutler’s 2 worst ? Give me a break.

  Big surprise Jeb. After that moderator conversation on the other thread you pull your skirt over your face and switch screen names. Unreal.
Nov 24, 2009 3:32 am
I will try this one more time as it is halftime, I'm bored, and unless CJ runs for 300 yds and score 4 times in the second half, my FF team is going to win.   [quote=Primo][quote=Ron 14] [/quote]   Little touchy?  I posted Favre looked good. (I'm a Vikings fan, judging by the title of the thread, I assumed this was an appropriate post) Later I posted Cutler was having a tough night. (Watching the game, offered an opinion football related opinion in a football related thread )You posted a statement that was incorrect regardless of the outcome of Chi-Philly. (You did, I didn't rip you, simply stated the correct information) Due to the fact it was a terrible game, I wondered what playoff team vs. playoff teams records were, found it, posted it. (I realize the Vikes have played some cupcakes, your post got me to thinking how does the Vikings record compare to other playoff teams, posted it)  Got a PM that you were a Chicago fan, which may explain your implication that the Viking were not that good. (Was told I was wasting my time, somewhat prophetic, again I simply corrected a misstatement)  Posted Chicago's record to make a comparison.  (The bias I was referring too was for the Bears, seemed to fit your previous statements, if my team was poor at something (winning vs good teams in this case), I wouldn't be out criticizing other teams who are good at it. You "qualified" clarified your previous statement, made another false statement, which you did, sorry that is not my opinion, just what happened then told me "nice try". Took this as the old "If I can't make a legitimate counter arguement, I'll just denigrate the counterparty in the conversation" method of debate followed shortly thereafter by the "If denigration does not work, start calling names" method of debate.   I posted 12 facts, 1 opinion, and 1 question.  Instead of refuting any of the facts, offering a differing opinion, or answering the question, you went off the rails on some tangent about Orton and Sanchez and called me a name.  I am unable to state this more clearly. I am sorry you do not know how to have a conversation and get so mad at words on a screen that you need to call a person you have never met a name.     [/quote]     *Edit*   I have skimmed through this thread and see your methods for debate have a pattern.  I am curious about another statement you made:   Big surprise Jeb. After that moderator conversation on the other thread you pull your skirt over your face and switch screen names. Unreal.   I am curious to know what you are referring too, could you post a link to this moderator conversation?
Nov 24, 2009 3:54 am

[quote=Primo]

I will try this one more time as it is halftime, I'm bored, and unless CJ runs for 300 yds and score 4 times in the second half, my FF team is going to win.   [quote=Primo][quote=Ron 14] [/quote]   Little touchy?  I posted Favre looked good. (I'm a Vikings fan, judging by the title of the thread, I assumed this was an appropriate post) Later I posted Cutler was having a tough night. (Watching the game, offered an opinion football related opinion in a football related thread )You posted a statement that was incorrect regardless of the outcome of Chi-Philly. (You did, I didn't rip you, simply stated the correct information) Due to the fact it was a terrible game, I wondered what playoff team vs. playoff teams records were, found it, posted it. (I realize the Vikes have played some cupcakes, your post got me to thinking how does the Vikings record compare to other playoff teams, posted it)  Got a PM that you were a Chicago fan, which may explain your implication that the Viking were not that good. (Was told I was wasting my time, somewhat prophetic, again I simply corrected a misstatement)  Posted Chicago's record to make a comparison.  (The bias I was referring too was for the Bears, seemed to fit your previous statements, if my team was poor at something (winning vs good teams in this case), I wouldn't be out criticizing other teams who are good at it. You "qualified" clarified your previous statement, made another false statement, which you did, sorry that is not my opinion, just what happened then told me "nice try". Took this as the old "If I can't make a legitimate counter arguement, I'll just denigrate the counterparty in the conversation" method of debate followed shortly thereafter by the "If denigration does not work, start calling names" method of debate.   I posted 12 facts, 1 opinion, and 1 question.  Instead of refuting any of the facts, offering a differing opinion, or answering the question, you went off the rails on some tangent about Orton and Sanchez and called me a name.  I am unable to state this more clearly. I am sorry you do not know how to have a conversation and get so mad at words on a screen that you need to call a person you have never met a name.     [/quote]     *Edit*   I have skimmed through this thread and see your methods for debate have a pattern.  I am curious about another statement you made:   Big surprise Jeb. After that moderator conversation on the other thread you pull your skirt over your face and switch screen names. Unreal.   I am curious to know what you are referring too, could you post a link to this moderator conversation?[/quote]   -Yes, my team is the Bears and they suck. They have since the opening week. That doesn't prohibit me from commenting on other teams. The Vikings are much better than the Bears and they have been for 3 years. They will beat the Bears by 3 TD's this week. How the hell does me liking the Bears diminish my opinion that Favre is a stroke?I am a Bulls fan too and I ripped MJ for the same offseason crap!   -You did rip me when you commented on the entire Cutler/ his teams giving up 21pts debate. Dont give me the BS that this was a coincidence.   -The reason I brought up the Orton and Sanchez stuff is because unlike you I have opinions before something happens and the thread titled "NFL Week 5" proves it.   -You are Jeb and you know exactly the moderator link I am talking about because you wouldn't even ask about it if I was wrong
Nov 24, 2009 4:31 am

[quote=Ron 14][quote=Primo]

I will try this one more time as it is halftime, I'm bored, and unless CJ runs for 300 yds and score 4 times in the second half, my FF team is going to win.   [quote=Primo][quote=Ron 14] [/quote]   Little touchy?  I posted Favre looked good. (I'm a Vikings fan, judging by the title of the thread, I assumed this was an appropriate post) Later I posted Cutler was having a tough night. (Watching the game, offered an opinion football related opinion in a football related thread )You posted a statement that was incorrect regardless of the outcome of Chi-Philly. (You did, I didn't rip you, simply stated the correct information) Due to the fact it was a terrible game, I wondered what playoff team vs. playoff teams records were, found it, posted it. (I realize the Vikes have played some cupcakes, your post got me to thinking how does the Vikings record compare to other playoff teams, posted it)  Got a PM that you were a Chicago fan, which may explain your implication that the Viking were not that good. (Was told I was wasting my time, somewhat prophetic, again I simply corrected a misstatement)  Posted Chicago's record to make a comparison.  (The bias I was referring too was for the Bears, seemed to fit your previous statements, if my team was poor at something (winning vs good teams in this case), I wouldn't be out criticizing other teams who are good at it. You "qualified" clarified your previous statement, made another false statement, which you did, sorry that is not my opinion, just what happened then told me "nice try". Took this as the old "If I can't make a legitimate counter arguement, I'll just denigrate the counterparty in the conversation" method of debate followed shortly thereafter by the "If denigration does not work, start calling names" method of debate.   I posted 12 facts, 1 opinion, and 1 question.  Instead of refuting any of the facts, offering a differing opinion, or answering the question, you went off the rails on some tangent about Orton and Sanchez and called me a name.  I am unable to state this more clearly. I am sorry you do not know how to have a conversation and get so mad at words on a screen that you need to call a person you have never met a name.     [/quote]     *Edit*   I have skimmed through this thread and see your methods for debate have a pattern.  I am curious about another statement you made:   Big surprise Jeb. After that moderator conversation on the other thread you pull your skirt over your face and switch screen names. Unreal.   I am curious to know what you are referring too, could you post a link to this moderator conversation?[/quote]   -Yes, my team is the Bears and they suck. They have since the opening week. That doesn't prohibit me from commenting on other teams. The Vikings are much better than the Bears and they have been for 3 years. They will beat the Bears by 3 TD's this week. How the hell does me liking the Bears diminish my opinion that Favre is a stroke?I am a Bulls fan too and I ripped MJ for the same offseason crap!  I saw this earlier on the thread, didn't comment on it and not sure why you are talking about it.   -You did rip me when you commented on the entire Cutler/ his teams giving up 21pts debate. Dont give me the BS that this was a coincidence. In order to back up my position, I stated the correct Bears record vs... , stated Cutler missed many throws, gave 3 examples, eliminated the excuses (as they do not apply in my opinion to this game) that I hear from a Bears fan in my office, and yes, took a shot at you motivated from earlier in the thread in response to your condescending comment "nice try though".   -The reason I brought up the Orton and Sanchez stuff is because unlike you I have opinions before something happens and the thread titled "NFL Week 5" proves it. What opinions of mine are you interested in?  I am willing to have a back and forth with someone who disagrees with my position, however to this point you refuse to particiapte, you keep changing the subject.   -You are Jeb and you know exactly the moderator link I am talking about because you wouldn't even ask about it if I was wrong  I can't dispute or agree with your moderator comment without knowing what you are talking about.  I am not searching this entire board to find it, being that you know what you are talking about I asked for a link.  I'm beginnign to think that you won't refute my facts, counter my opinions, or answer my questions because you can't.  I'm used to it.  Name calling in 3...2....1..... [/quote]       Bottom line, the Bears should have won that game last night.  While the Bears have issues in many areas, QB is one of their strongest positions.  The game last night was winnable well before the final pick, but Cutler did not come through in situations he has too for the Bears to overcome their issues.  This is not an insult to you Ron14 or any other fans of the Bears, just simply my opinion.  You can counter it, agree with it, change the subject, or call me names all you want, I'm gonna catch the end of the game.
Nov 24, 2009 4:57 am

I completely agree with your Bears assessment. I also agree with your facts. I admitted I was wrong on the GB/Giants thing.

 I thought you were going in the direction that has happened on this thread after every game about how awesome Favre is when my inital comments about him were about his offseason wavering, not that he couldn't help the Vikings. (also why I keep mentioning MJ, retire/unretire) I assumed you were someone following the Favre/Cutler/NFL threads the entire time and you had changed your screen name to attack. If I am wrong I apologize.
Dec 7, 2009 3:26 am

And the late season swoon begins…

Dec 7, 2009 3:13 pm

Favre has proven to me that his skill level is still there.(Still think his offseason games are ridiculous) The only thing that is going to throw him and the Vikings off track from here is Brad Childress. He is starting to throw the ball WAY too much. Favre has been on fire because they were running the hell out of the ball and he was able to use play action to pick people apart. If Childress is going to try and turn the Vikings O into the Saints (50 throws a game) they will crash and burn. I dont care how many times Peterson is stuffed you keep getting him the ball via screens and/or handoffs.

Dec 7, 2009 8:14 pm

[quote=iceco1d]

[quote=Primo]And the late season swoon begins…[/quote]

10 - 2 this week; 10 - 3 next week.  Look at it this way…losing to the Cards will really ease you into the dismantling your boys are going to get next week. 
[/quote]

Who cares…
10-3 next week
10-4 the following week
10-5 the week after that
10-6 the final week
Still play in the playoffs!

Gotta respect Favre’s year…

Dec 18, 2009 4:19 pm

Great article on Favre. It brings me much closer to how I used to think about him before the last couple offseasons. It goes into detail about why some of this stuff has happened.

  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2009-12-17-brett-favre-cover_N.htm
Dec 18, 2009 4:35 pm

[quote=Ron 14]Great article on Favre. It brings me much closer to how I used to think about him before the last couple offseasons. It goes into detail about why some of this stuff has happened.

  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2009-12-17-brett-favre-cover_N.htm[/quote]   Traitor...   Who am I going to spar with now that you are a Favre fan... Didn't know his middle name was LORENZO..
Dec 18, 2009 4:42 pm

LOL! As I look closer into my Favre dislike it may be media hatred that was misdirected. I haven’t totally flopped, but I guess I have softened. The way he has played has proven me wrong anyways so I don’t have much of a leg to stand on now. You can rip me because I still think Jay Cutler is a stud, if you are looking for something to debate !

Dec 18, 2009 5:28 pm

I also think Jay Cutler is awesome… so we can’t debate that… By any chance do you like ron turner?

Dec 18, 2009 5:44 pm

The entire city hates Ron Turner. I don’t think he is the problem. He is no Bill Walsh, but he is a middle of the road coordinator at a good price.  The Bears are basically admitting that it was easier to put Cutler into their current system than have the other 10 guys change for him. They made 3 changes on the O Line and all 3 have played bad, real bad. Kruetz, the only guy who was good in the past, has fallen off. (which is expected after 10 yrs with team) Hester is a low end number 2 / high end number 3 WR and Bennett is garbage. I am not sold on Knox. He can run a fly route, but I doubt he will materialize into anything else. Greg Olson is solid, but he couldn’t block my wife, so when he is in the game they know he is going out for a pass and he is double covered. Fans are killing Forte also, but I blame that on the line also. Forte doesn’t have the speed to be a top 5 back, but he can be a solid NFL starter. Turner will take the fall, but he isn’t the problem.

Dec 18, 2009 5:53 pm

Ron turner sucks…He sucked before, sucked at u of i, sucks now…

  THe line is terrible, so is the running back, the wrs, the dbs, the dline, the head coach, the defensive coordinator.   Other than that they are good... wait you are right te's are terrible too...
Dec 18, 2009 6:22 pm

LOL ! U of I and the Bears have had two record breaking era’s on the offensive side in the last 20 years. Ron Turner was calling the plays for both. Kramer/Conway/Graham for Bears mid 90’s, Kittner/Lloyd/Young for Illini 8 years ago. He is no legend, but as I said, the line is the problem. A RB doesn’t go from 1200 yrds and 60 catches to a terd overnight. It doesn’t work that way. The Oline and Dlines make or break a team and the Bears have old bad players on both sides. That is why they suck. Angelo can’t find a good free agent to save his life and he needs to go. We don’t have any picks, only cap room and if he is filling the spots Cutler should just request another trade today. If they had a 2nd Rd pick to draft a left guard or center instead of Gaines Adams and room to sign Plaxico or Boldin things could change pretty quickly. With the current administration it won’t happen. I want Gruden or Shannahan to come in and blow the entire thing up, but thats a pipe dream.

Dec 21, 2009 5:31 pm

Where are the Favre supporters now ? You guys ripped me for 13 weeks every single Monday following a great game by him, even though his play was never my intial gripe, now after two crap games I hear nothing but crickets ? Unbelievable.

Dec 22, 2009 3:17 am

I’m with you Ronnie.  Anyone who’s been following this dullard’s career knows what happens this time of year.  Trust me, fans in Green Bay feel better about their pending playoff run than fans in Minnesota do right now.  Fans in Minny are panicking.  This old fart has about run his course.

Dec 22, 2009 3:32 am

If you want some entertainment just go back to the beginning of this thread, grab some popcorn and start reading.

Dec 22, 2009 3:47 am
Ron 14:

Where are the Favre supporters now ? You guys ripped me for 13 weeks every single Monday following a great game by him, even though his play was never my intial gripe, now after two crap games I hear nothing but crickets ? Unbelievable.

    He had a bad game against the Cards.  Last night, the Oline deserves most of the blame, at least offensively.
Dec 22, 2009 3:55 am

It’s no coincidence that this is happening towards the end of the season.

Dec 22, 2009 4:12 pm

Now it is coming out that “Chilly”, the name by which Favre called Childress about 10 times at his initial Minnesota press conference, wanted to pull Favre out of the second game against the Pack for changing a run play to a pass play with a 10 pt lead in the 4th qtr resulting in an incompletion. The O Coordinator stopped this from happening at the time, but Favre found out later in the week and had words with Childress. Also, Favre refused to leave the game this week at the request of Childress and they exchanged words again. I think these actions define egomaniac. Hall of Fame player, yes. Douchebag, yes.

Dec 22, 2009 4:59 pm

I can’t believe this thread has gone 21 pages.

Dec 29, 2009 4:32 pm

Though Favre had a great 2nd half last night, it is no shock that a team led by him is taking a dive in the latter part of the season.  His attitude and arrogance is not inspiring confidence and it seems to be inspiring excuses for the team to have overall poor performances.  “See, because of the coaches and their poor gameplan OF COURSE we aren’t able to meet our full potential.  If they would just let me do my thing we’d be just fine!”  See Peyton Manning’s handling of getting taken out of the game the other day.  He was careful to not stir the pot and no one is talking about any storms brewing inside the locker room.

Dec 29, 2009 5:17 pm

He played well in second half because the Bears dropped 3 picks. There is definitely a situation between "Chilly" and Favre. Chilly was trying like hell to run the ball when in fact they should have chucked it right from the beginning because both 3RD STRING SAFETIES were starting for the Bears. Chilly is trying to put the clamps on Favre and he should have known that he won't be able to. Favre was shaking him off everytime Chilly tried send in the Goalline O. (Favre was right in doing so because the 2nd time Peterson went up the middle untouched for a short TD with 3 WR's in the game / when the Goalline O was in they got stuffed badly for a 4 yard loss on an off tackle run) They aren't getting along whichever way you look at it. If they would both just put their ego's aside they can do some postseason damage. They have as many weapons as anyone.

All of this being said I really believe the NFC is a complete toss up. It should be awesome to watch.
Jan 17, 2010 11:43 pm

Wow, what a day for Brett.  If the Packers Management had provided him with respectable talent throughout his career he’d have 5 or 6 Super Bowls by now.

Jan 18, 2010 1:07 am

Berk your opinions on sports have all been rendered useless the minute you called Aaron Rodgers “absolute garbage.”

Jan 18, 2010 3:02 am

Would be sort of ironic if the Jets faced Favre in the Superbowl.  Not that I’m looking past next week.

I'm still in a state of disbelief that we're playing for the Conference CH...cant even finish the sentence. Must be from all those years of heartbreak.
Jan 18, 2010 3:09 am

God how much I hate that Favre did well today.  I did not enjoy that game for one second.  And that is coming from an Eagles fan, who actually rooted for the Boys to win today.  I can’t remember the last time I wanted the Cowboys to win. 

Jan 18, 2010 4:46 am

[quote=Ron 14]Berk your opinions on sports have all been rendered useless the minute you called Aaron Rodgers “absolute garbage.”[/quote]

Rodgers is so fricking terrible, did you see what he did to us last week?  He single handedly threw the entire season down the toilet.

Favre had 0 turnovers today, how many did Rodgers have?

Jan 18, 2010 4:57 am

That last post may have been the most ridiculous piece of literature I’ve ever read.

Jan 18, 2010 5:05 am

Rodgers completed 2/3 of his passes last week, threw over 400 yards and 4 td’s and brought you back from a 31-10 2nd half deficit to take the game into OT.  You guys had NO business taking that game into OT and Rodgers singlehandedly did it.  How many QB’s in this league can be given a 21 pt 2nd half deficit in the playoffs on the road and come back to tie it?

Jan 18, 2010 5:08 am

His comments speak for themselves. It isn't even worth debating.

  The best way to handle a Favre win is to bet on the Vikings. They were only giving 3 today. Free Money.
Jan 18, 2010 5:11 am
BerkshireBull:

[quote=Ron 14]
Favre had 0 turnovers today, how many did Rodgers have?

  How many points did Favre's defense give up and how many did yours give up?
Jan 18, 2010 5:11 am

[quote=Sportsfreakbob]Would be sort of ironic if the Jets faced Favre in the Superbowl.  Not that I’m looking past next week.

I'm still in a state of disbelief that we're playing for the Conference CH...cant even finish the sentence. Must be from all those years of heartbreak.[/quote]   Want to enjoy the win today (How great was it when Shonn Greene broke through the line and took it in for the long TD).......   Great Defense today.........   J-E-T-S......JETS JETS JETS......  
Jan 18, 2010 4:17 pm

Shonn is a large size version of Leon Washington. He is gonna be another great one.

Speaking of Leon, gotta feel bad for him, wonder where he'll be playing next year.
Jan 18, 2010 7:12 pm
3rdyrp2:

Rodgers completed 2/3 of his passes last week, threw over 400 yards and 4 td’s and brought you back from a 31-10 2nd half deficit to take the game into OT.  You guys had NO business taking that game into OT and Rodgers singlehandedly did it.  How many QB’s in this league can be given a 21 pt 2nd half deficit in the playoffs on the road and come back to tie it?

  Rodgers gave up 13 points, the Packers D gave up 38.  Cardinals D gave up 45 points.  The Packers D gave up fewer yards than the Cards D and we lost, because of Rodgers.   I don't understand why the Packers can't get someone like Matt Shaub or John Flacco in to quarterback this team.  Rodgers is not a winner, he just can't get it done.  As much history as the Packers have, you'd think they could get someone better.    You'd never see a 2nd rate pithcer taking the mound for the Yankees on opening day.    You'd never see the Lakers put some scrub out there to take the majority of their shots.   The Detroit Redwings would never put some average player out there as their Captain.   Great Franchises are great because they spend the money needed to go out and get the best.  The Packers should be no different.
Jan 18, 2010 7:31 pm

Lmao!  Joe Flacco!  You'd rather have Wacko Flacco than Rodgers!  You do know that Flacco went 24-45 for 223 yds, 0 TD's and 3 picks in his 2 playoff games, right?  During the season Rodgers threw for 30 TD's and 7 picks.  Flacco had 21 TD's and 12 picks. 

I'm starting to get the sense that your posts are sarcastic.  It's funny though.  As an Eagles fan I want to punch so many of our own fans in the face when they say McNabb has got to go and that he sucks.  Who was our QB's before McNabb?  Rodney Peete, Bobby Hoying, Ty Detmer, Koy Detmer, Doug Pederson.  Believe me, you could do a whole lot worse than Rodgers.
Jan 18, 2010 7:59 pm

[quote=3rdyrp2]

Lmao!  Joe Flacco!  You'd rather have Wacko Flacco than Rodgers!  You do know that Flacco went 24-45 for 223 yds, 0 TD's and 3 picks in his 2 playoff games, right?  During the season Rodgers threw for 30 TD's and 7 picks.  Flacco had 21 TD's and 12 picks. 

I'm starting to get the sense that your posts are sarcastic.  It's funny though.  As an Eagles fan I want to punch so many of our own fans in the face when they say McNabb has got to go and that he sucks.  Who was our QB's before McNabb?  Rodney Peete, Bobby Hoying, Ty Detmer, Koy Detmer, Doug Pederson.  Believe me, you could do a whole lot worse than Rodgers.[/quote]   Joe Flacco currently boasts a gaudy .622 career winning percentage, Rodgers is 1 game above .500 as a starter.   Flacco has 3 postseason wins under his belt, Rodgers has 0   Flacco was 3 points away from going to the Super Bowl last season, Rodgers got destroyed by the lowly Arizona Cardinals.   Flacco is also 3 years younger than Rodgers, a leader on the field who takes the blame when his team loses while Rodgers passes the buck, and doesn't look like Gomez Addams  
Jan 18, 2010 8:17 pm

[quote=BerkshireBull][quote=3rdyrp2]

Lmao!  Joe Flacco!  You'd rather have Wacko Flacco than Rodgers!  You do know that Flacco went 24-45 for 223 yds, 0 TD's and 3 picks in his 2 playoff games, right?  During the season Rodgers threw for 30 TD's and 7 picks.  Flacco had 21 TD's and 12 picks. 

I'm starting to get the sense that your posts are sarcastic.  It's funny though.  As an Eagles fan I want to punch so many of our own fans in the face when they say McNabb has got to go and that he sucks.  Who was our QB's before McNabb?  Rodney Peete, Bobby Hoying, Ty Detmer, Koy Detmer, Doug Pederson.  Believe me, you could do a whole lot worse than Rodgers.[/quote]   Joe Flacco currently boasts a gaudy .622 career winning percentage, Rodgers is 1 game above .500 as a starter.   Last year the Pack gave up 23.8 pts a game and the Ravens gave up 14.6 pts a game.  This year the Ravens D gave up 2.3 less pts per game yet the Pack won 2 more games, AND beat the Ravens on monday night.    Flacco has 3 postseason wins under his belt, Rodgers has 0   He went 4-10 last week with 0 TD's and a pick.  Are you really gonna credit Flac Jacket with that win?  Not Ray Ray or Ray Jr. or Willis or Ed Reed?    Flacco was 3 points away from going to the Super Bowl last season, Rodgers got destroyed by the lowly Arizona Cardinals.   Thats ridiculous.[/quote]
Jan 19, 2010 12:27 am

Eagles fans just want Vick to start. They hate dogs!

Jan 19, 2010 4:54 am

Aaron Rodgers is an excellent QB.  The Pack simply doesn’t have any D.  Speaking of D, my Colts showed Baltimore how to play some D last week.  SFB, I love your rookie coach, but he’s gonna get schooled this weekend!

Jan 19, 2010 11:45 am

Hey Indy.

Saw your post on the other thread, the office sounds awesome.   I was tempted to post the Fairy Tale that i sent you on here, but it would only draw the ire of the nutjobs. Can't underestimate a guy like Eli Manning brother. But everyone is underestimating Brian Schottenheimer, and as amazing as it seems, everyone knows that the Jets D is #1 in the league, but i think most people don;t really appreciate just how good they really are. Gotta love Bart Scotts quote yesterday - "we haven't even cracked the seal on how good we can be". - Finally the Jets have swagger. And i love being the underdog This should be a great game.
Jan 19, 2010 2:26 pm
BerkshireBull:

[quote=3rdyrp2]Rodgers completed 2/3 of his passes last week, threw over 400 yards and 4 td’s and brought you back from a 31-10 2nd half deficit to take the game into OT.  You guys had NO business taking that game into OT and Rodgers singlehandedly did it.  How many QB’s in this league can be given a 21 pt 2nd half deficit in the playoffs on the road and come back to tie it?

  Rodgers gave up 13 points, the Packers D gave up 38.  Cardinals D gave up 45 points.  The Packers D gave up fewer yards than the Cards D and we lost, because of Rodgers.   I don't understand why the Packers can't get someone like Matt Shaub or John Flacco in to quarterback this team.  Rodgers is not a winner, he just can't get it done.  As much history as the Packers have, you'd think they could get someone better.    You'd never see a 2nd rate pithcer taking the mound for the Yankees on opening day.    You'd never see the Lakers put some scrub out there to take the majority of their shots.   The Detroit Redwings would never put some average player out there as their Captain.   Great Franchises are great because they spend the money needed to go out and get the best.  The Packers should be no different.[/quote]   Single dumbest post in the history of this site. Just incredible that you think Joe Flacco is better than Aaron Rodgers.
Jan 19, 2010 4:50 pm

[quote=Sportsfreakbob]Hey Indy.

Saw your post on the other thread, the office sounds awesome.   I was tempted to post the Fairy Tale that i sent you on here, but it would only draw the ire of the nutjobs. Can't underestimate a guy like Eli Manning brother. But everyone is underestimating Brian Schottenheimer, and as amazing as it seems, everyone knows that the Jets D is #1 in the league, but i think most people don;t really appreciate just how good they really are. Gotta love Bart Scotts quote yesterday - "we haven't even cracked the seal on how good we can be". - Finally the Jets have swagger. And i love being the underdog This should be a great game.[/quote]   Yeah, I understand what the coaches are doing pumping up the players.  Difference between this Colts team and past playoff flops is the preparation.  Dungy was a great guy and an excellent coach, but Caldwell was a great student under him and learned from Tony's mistakes.  This team underestimates no one and didn't show the Jets squat in week 16.  They were playing the vanilla offense, held several players out and still had the lead.  Now, pretty much everyone is healthy, the playoff game plan is unwrapped, and Manning seems as determined as ever (I think he's secretly pissed that everyone still says, "Yeah, he's good, but he has only won one Superbowl.  Brady has three."), I expect a very good showing on Sunday.   The Chargers made the mistake of already running their bracket to the Superbowl and I get a lot of joy out of seeing Philip Rivers' mouth finally shut.  Rest assured, the Colts will not make the same mistake that San Diego did.  The Jets have great D, but Indy just held the team that dismantled New England to three points.  I suspect Indy's D will be up to the task this Sunday too.  If not, I'm not a sore loser...I'll root for the Jets in the Superbowl, but if my Colts get there, I expect some love from New York!
Jan 19, 2010 7:42 pm

[quote=Indyone][quote=Sportsfreakbob]Hey Indy.

Saw your post on the other thread, the office sounds awesome.   I was tempted to post the Fairy Tale that i sent you on here, but it would only draw the ire of the nutjobs. Can't underestimate a guy like Eli Manning brother. But everyone is underestimating Brian Schottenheimer, and as amazing as it seems, everyone knows that the Jets D is #1 in the league, but i think most people don;t really appreciate just how good they really are. Gotta love Bart Scotts quote yesterday - "we haven't even cracked the seal on how good we can be". - Finally the Jets have swagger. And i love being the underdog This should be a great game.[/quote]   Yeah, I understand what the coaches are doing pumping up the players.  Difference between this Colts team and past playoff flops is the preparation.  Dungy was a great guy and an excellent coach, but Caldwell was a great student under him and learned from Tony's mistakes.  This team underestimates no one and didn't show the Jets squat in week 16.  They were playing the vanilla offense, held several players out and still had the lead.  Now, pretty much everyone is healthy, the playoff game plan is unwrapped, and Manning seems as determined as ever (I think he's secretly pissed that everyone still says, "Yeah, he's good, but he has only won one Superbowl.  Brady has three."), I expect a very good showing on Sunday.   The Chargers made the mistake of already running their bracket to the Superbowl and I get a lot of joy out of seeing Philip Rivers' mouth finally shut.  Rest assured, the Colts will not make the same mistake that San Diego did.  The Jets have great D, but Indy just held the team that dismantled New England to three points.  I suspect Indy's D will be up to the task this Sunday too.  If not, I'm not a sore loser...I'll root for the Jets in the Superbowl, but if my Colts get there, I expect some love from New York! [/quote]   How about let Brett get one more ring so he can retire?   Nothing impresses me about the Jets. Least of all Sanchez. If the Colts can't beat this group they need hire a moving van and do another midnight move. Maybe International Falls will take them?   To save us from the worst Super Bowl in history the Colts must win!!!!!
Jan 19, 2010 8:12 pm
They have a cornerback that eliminates the entire half of the field that he is covering. - They have the #1 defense in all of football - They have the #1 run game in all of football - Sanchez exudes confidence and has the respect of his teammates and head coach, which is not easy for a 21 year old kid.  His dad was an Army sergeant and raised him on discipline and leadership.  - They've adjusted their playcalling to have the run game open up the pass game, where earlier in the season it was the opposite and you saw Sanchez throw 5 INT's a game.  Not anymore. - They remind me a lot of the Ravens in 2000.  Great defense.  Great run game.  Quarterback is there to make a play when necessary.  Special teams is above average.   I think there's a lot to like about this team.  No major superstars other than Revis, but everyone else knows their role and isn't a defense or offensive liability.
Jan 19, 2010 8:53 pm

Colts by 2 TD’s. Jets nice story, but party is over. Get ready for 2 straight weeks of Favre / Manning love or “the revival of New Orleans” and Manning love.

Jan 19, 2010 9:21 pm

Manning Bowl I.  Saints vs. Colts.

  Archie vs. Peyton.  Apparently Archie is still a legend down there.  That would be like 30 years from now Matt Schaub is a legend in Houston based off what he's done in his career so far. 
Jan 19, 2010 11:04 pm

[quote=BondGuy]How about let Brett get one more ring so he can retire?

  Nothing impresses me about the Jets. Least of all Sanchez. If the Colts can't beat this group they need hire a moving van and do another midnight move. Maybe International Falls will take them?   To save us from the worst Super Bowl in history the Colts must win!!!!![/quote]   I dunno, BG...the Jets are a better team now than they were at the beginning of the year, that's for certain.  My beef with Favre mostly relates to how he's a puss about going to training camp...pulls the same old retirement scam every year to miss camp.  He's also been a bit of a pouter when things aren't going his way.   I'll lay high odds that good ol' Brett "retires" but then is lured out of retirement after training camp is over.  Unless he got enough satisfaction spending a year in Minnesota giving Packer management the finger (another reason I'm tired of his game).   I'll give you this though...he's a helluva QB and a first ballot HOF.  I just wish he wasn't such a princess.
Jan 20, 2010 2:23 am

As of today there is nothing overly impressive about Sanchez other than he isnt making mistakes and has a lot of poise for a young rookie. He will be a great one, but it will take time, and we need him to contribute this weekend, but maybe not that much.

If the Colts can shut down Jones and Shonn Greene, they will win. Thats the key. If they cant, they're in for a long afternoon. End of story.   Right now, Favre has the fire in the belly. If he can retire after winning, or at least going to, the big dance, it will be a big victory for him in more ways than one, after already retiring 17 times. Vikes to Miami.
Jan 20, 2010 4:30 am

[quote=Indyone][quote=BondGuy]How about let Brett get one more ring so he can retire?

  Nothing impresses me about the Jets. Least of all Sanchez. If the Colts can't beat this group they need hire a moving van and do another midnight move. Maybe International Falls will take them?   To save us from the worst Super Bowl in history the Colts must win!!!!![/quote]   I dunno, BG...the Jets are a better team now than they were at the beginning of the year, that's for certain.  My beef with Favre mostly relates to how he's a puss about going to training camp...pulls the same old retirement scam every year to miss camp.  He's also been a bit of a pouter when things aren't going his way.   I'll lay high odds that good ol' Brett "retires" but then is lured out of retirement after training camp is over.  Unless he got enough satisfaction spending a year in Minnesota giving Packer management the finger (another reason I'm tired of his game).   I'll give you this though...he's a helluva QB and a first ballot HOF.  I just wish he wasn't such a princess.[/quote]   Exactly. That was my entire point when I started this thread.
Jan 20, 2010 5:10 am

[quote=Ron 14][quote=Indyone][quote=BondGuy]How about let Brett get one more ring so he can retire?

  Nothing impresses me about the Jets. Least of all Sanchez. If the Colts can't beat this group they need hire a moving van and do another midnight move. Maybe International Falls will take them?   To save us from the worst Super Bowl in history the Colts must win!!!!![/quote]   I dunno, BG...the Jets are a better team now than they were at the beginning of the year, that's for certain.  My beef with Favre mostly relates to how he's a puss about going to training camp...pulls the same old retirement scam every year to miss camp.  He's also been a bit of a pouter when things aren't going his way.   I'll lay high odds that good ol' Brett "retires" but then is lured out of retirement after training camp is over.  Unless he got enough satisfaction spending a year in Minnesota giving Packer management the finger (another reason I'm tired of his game).   I'll give you this though...he's a helluva QB and a first ballot HOF.  I just wish he wasn't such a princess.[/quote]   Exactly. That was my entire point when I started this thread.[/quote]   How can anyone call a guy that never missed an NFL game in 17 seasons a princess?  Do you have any idea the physical toll playing in the NFL takes on the body.  Yes, Favre has not been a fan of training camp the past two seasons, but he never missed training camp the other 15 years.  He was legendary with former teammates and coaches for never missing a snap in practice over his career.  Don't let the ESPN hype about Favre dilute what he has done over his career and what he has given to the game of football.  He did not ask to have all this media coverage.  How come nobody is talking about Junior Seau and his retirement/unretirement. 
Jan 20, 2010 5:24 am

Because Junior Seau never entertained any media coverage.  He had a job to do and thats all he wanted to do.  No carnival show necessary as far as he was concerned.

Jan 20, 2010 5:39 am
3rdyrp2:

Because Junior Seau never entertained any media coverage.  He had a job to do and thats all he wanted to do.  No carnival show necessary as far as he was concerned.

  Or maybe because he has sucked for the last 5 years..barely plays..
Jan 20, 2010 5:40 am
chief123:

[quote=3rdyrp2]Because Junior Seau never entertained any media coverage.  He had a job to do and thats all he wanted to do.  No carnival show necessary as far as he was concerned.

  Or maybe because he has sucked for the last 5 years..barely plays..[/quote]   Lol.  Yes, but I didn't want to say that.  Has he made any impact since the Stan Humphries era??
Jan 20, 2010 2:35 pm

Favre was almost in tears in the post game interview after Dallas win = princess !

Jan 20, 2010 6:05 pm

Farve? The guy’s an old man, cut him a break! I respect his playing ability at this ripe old age. Being in a big sports town that is plenty vocal of the local players there isn’t a lot of time spent listening to Farve whine or watching his primadonna act.

  The Jets coach is a big an asshole as his father. And Sanchez is not ready for prime time. Spin it how you like, but the reason the Jets are a run team is because they have to be. Not that Sanchez won't become great. Right now he's about the level of a mediore back up in the NFC. Manning/Colts will make for a better match up against either NFC team.
Jan 20, 2010 6:07 pm

And Indy, relax, your guys are gonna roll over the Jets.

Jan 20, 2010 6:18 pm

Shocker.  The old guy loves Favre.

Jan 21, 2010 7:21 pm

Who Dat?

 

Jan 23, 2010 3:21 am

Ice - you’re my friend - but Sanchez a Palmer wannabe? What are you smokin, can i have some? If i was Palmer, I’d wanna be Mark all day long.

  Bond Guy - Rex may be a pig, but he's MY pig and i love him. I love having a 400 pound coach with a 500 pound heart and pizza stains on every shirt he wears. He's da man   Governor Patterson of NY got on sportsradio this morning and predicted Jets 30 Indy 0  he's got my freakin vote.   The stars are lined up. There are too many things that are too far fetched that had to happen to get us to this point. And they all happened. We are a team of destiny. Just like 1969, when we beat.......da Colts!! ok, different colts, so what!   Indyone - you're my friend too, but your guys are toast. OK,OK, I'm having a pre game party and i'm drunk. Whatever happens on Sunday, just leave me the fk alone. I'm having fun with this and i deserve it. 40 years since the last Superbowl, and 26 years as a season tix holder. I deserve this. I need this. If they win it all this year, then go another 40 years before they do it again, I'll be 99 years old. Or NOT!. So leave me the f*** alone, I;m having fun  
Jan 23, 2010 4:14 am

As a MN boy, I love this. It is hilarious to read the posts from Aug 09 on how much Farve will suck. I thought he might, too, who knew? But I was SO HAPPY in Aug cuz the Purple had been SO BORING for so long- at least it was not gonna be boring—and it has been AWESOME!!! What a story…286 games in a row is beyond incredible

Jan 23, 2010 3:37 pm
newnew:

As a MN boy, I love this. It is hilarious to read the posts from Aug 09 on how much Farve will suck. I thought he might, too, who knew? But I was SO HAPPY in Aug cuz the Purple had been SO BORING for so long- at least it was not gonna be boring—and it has been AWESOME!!! What a story…286 games in a row is beyond incredible

  The Vikes sold their souls to the devil.  If you thought the last 30 years were bad, get ready for the next 30 years.
Jan 23, 2010 4:17 pm
3rdyrp2:

[quote=newnew]As a MN boy, I love this. It is hilarious to read the posts from Aug 09 on how much Farve will suck. I thought he might, too, who knew? But I was SO HAPPY in Aug cuz the Purple had been SO BORING for so long- at least it was not gonna be boring—and it has been AWESOME!!! What a story…286 games in a row is beyond incredible

  The Vikes sold their souls to the devil.  If you thought the last 30 years were bad, get ready for the next 30 years.[/quote] I might have asked this before, but do you even watch football??   The vikes gave up nothing to get Brett Favre(other than $$$). Sage Rosenfels was going to be the guy(he was a BACK-UP at the texans).. I think this move stopped the bleeding at the qb position and gave the Vikes time to find out if Tavaris can learn anything from Brett or if he is going to continue to be a game manager. And if he is they can address that in the draft this year or next or sign someone else..   In comparison look what the bears gave up for their guy, granted much, younger but still 1st and 2nd in 2009, and a first in 2010 and Kyle Orton(don't know much about him, seems to  be a career back quality)...and oh yeah ($$$)..   So in comparison the Vikes got a talented proven quarterback who has played in the same conference and division forever for $$(essentially a contract worker) and now have time to figure out their future(pick up Jason Campbell on the cheap) or draft someone..   Where as the bears are stuck with a young quality qb, but mortgaged the house to pay for the pool, and now have no WRs to throw to and also lost top draft picks..   Draft picks are always worth more than money.(ask Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichek)
Jan 23, 2010 4:58 pm

If the Eagles ever signed Eli Manning I would think we deserve 30 years in purgatory. That is where my opinion comes from. Karma plays a huge part in stuff like this.

Jan 24, 2010 5:33 am

Squash -Have you seen the Bears QB’s over the years ? Have you seen how bad Jerry Angelo is at drafting 1st Rd picks ? Have you seen that the Bears had absolutely nothing to build around before getting Cutler ? Angelo screws up every number one pick. EVERY SINGLE ONE. NOT HALF, ALL. Trading those picks for a proven commodity was a good move and still is. The Vikings needed one piece so Favre was a good and obvious move. Comparing the Vikings situation to the Bears is ridiculous. It shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same conversation.

  Not a single person on earth thought Favre had this kind of year left in him. Not even Childress. He made a move out of desperation and it paid off.
Jan 24, 2010 11:12 pm

[quote=Omar]Who Dat?

 

[/quote]

Seriously.  Who is it?  If you get to see her watching pro sports, I might have to start.
Jan 25, 2010 12:20 am
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Jan 25, 2010 12:26 am

[quote=Sportsfreakbob]Ice - you’re my friend - but Sanchez a Palmer wannabe? What are you smokin, can i have some? If i was Palmer, I’d wanna be Mark all day long.

  Bond Guy - Rex may be a pig, but he's MY pig and i love him. I love having a 400 pound coach with a 500 pound heart and pizza stains on every shirt he wears. He's da man   Governor Patterson of NY got on sportsradio this morning and predicted Jets 30 Indy 0  he's got my freakin vote.   The stars are lined up. There are too many things that are too far fetched that had to happen to get us to this point. And they all happened. We are a team of destiny. Just like 1969, when we beat.......da Colts!! ok, different colts, so what!   Indyone - you're my friend too, but your guys are toast. OK,OK, I'm having a pre game party and i'm drunk. Whatever happens on Sunday, just leave me the fk alone. I'm having fun with this and i deserve it. 40 years since the last Superbowl, and 26 years as a season tix holder. I deserve this. I need this. If they win it all this year, then go another 40 years before they do it again, I'll be 99 years old. Or NOT!. So leave me the f*** alone, I;m having fun[/quote]   SFB, I can't resist, man...when you sober up, you're gonna hate rereading this post...LOL...   Seriously, the Jets had a nice run and it is good to see someone finally rise up in the east to challenge the Patsies.  If the Jets can keep pretty boy Brady out of the postseason until his candy ass retires, they'll quickly become my 2nd favorite team...after of course, MY COLTS!!!
Jan 25, 2010 1:12 am

Indy, i tip my hat to Peyton.

We'll be back.
Jan 25, 2010 1:28 am

"The Jets coach is a big an asshole as his father. "

  The classiest thing that Buddy Ryan ever did was to say that he got rid of Chris Carter because all that he ever did was catch touchdowns.   I'll always have some degree of respect for him for using this line and taking the heat instead of telling the truth.  
Jan 25, 2010 2:14 am

As hard as I’ve been on Favre, I’m starting to feel sorry for him.  The Saints are pounding the living sh*t out of him.  I’ll give him credit for answering the bell and coming back on the field (but he’s still a puss about training camp).

Jan 25, 2010 3:25 am
Squash1:

[quote=3rdyrp2][quote=newnew]As a MN boy, I love this. It is hilarious to read the posts from Aug 09 on how much Farve will suck. I thought he might, too, who knew? But I was SO HAPPY in Aug cuz the Purple had been SO BORING for so long- at least it was not gonna be boring—and it has been AWESOME!!! What a story…286 games in a row is beyond incredible

  The Vikes sold their souls to the devil.  If you thought the last 30 years were bad, get ready for the next 30 years.[/quote] I might have asked this before, but do you even watch football?? [/quote]   From September 1:   [quote=3rdyrp2] And because of that, the Vikings fans get to see an overpaid has-been take over their team for a mere $12 million and see their season end surely on an untimely Favre interception in a playoff game.  But hey, at least the hillbilly is gonna have a blast while he's doing it![/quote]   The karma gods have spoken, and they are ANGRY!!!!
Jan 25, 2010 3:35 am

There it was. A Favre Special. If he runs 5 yards and slides the Vikings are in the Super Bowl, but instead he fires a pass across the middle for a pick. GAME OVER.

Now his offseason bullsh*t will begin..........
Jan 25, 2010 3:40 am

Yep, replay of his last game with the Packers–blows the NFC Championship with an interception and team loses in OT.  The whole team’s fumble-itis didn’t help matters.

Jan 25, 2010 3:54 am

Just throw it away…

time for the old guy to retire.

Jan 25, 2010 12:12 pm

[quote=Lawrence]Just throw it away…

time for the old guy to retire.

[/quote]

It’s time for this thread to retire.

Jan 25, 2010 12:31 pm

I love football. I hate Bret Favre though.



However, last night proved he’s a warrior. He got absolutely pummeled and kept coming back and fighting. In the end he threw a pick, but that’s just classic Favre gunning the ball trying to make something happen.



Saint’s vs. Colts should be a great Super Bowl. I can’t imagine what the final line will be at kickoff…1 or maybe even???

Jan 25, 2010 2:16 pm

Colts will kill… Vikings better team

Jan 25, 2010 3:03 pm
Omar:

I love football. I hate Bret Favre though.

However, last night proved he’s a warrior. He got absolutely pummeled and kept coming back and fighting. In the end he threw a pick, but that’s just classic Favre gunning the ball trying to make something happen.

Saint’s vs. Colts should be a great Super Bowl. I can’t imagine what the final line will be at kickoff…1 or maybe even???

  I agree with all of that. Guy is tough as nails no doubt.   The line has opened at Colts -5. I think the Colts are going to absolutely pound them. Vikings are the better team and would have been a better match up.  
Jan 25, 2010 4:05 pm

If he announces his retirement it is obviously a meaningless announcement (he has proven that!). Prediction: he will play nextyear and the only thing that will cause him to retire is the inevitable injury. He is human after all, even though he has had superhuman ability to play thru it all

Jan 26, 2010 1:12 am
mlgone:

JETS JETS JETS

    Listened to the FAN tonight on the way home from the office. Everyone is hating the Jets now because they talk a lot of smack. I love this. Next season is gonna be so great.
Jan 26, 2010 1:22 am
Sportsfreakbob:

[quote=mlgone]JETS JETS JETS

    Listened to the FAN tonight on the way home from the office. Everyone is hating the Jets now because they talk a lot of smack. I love this. Next season is gonna be so great.[/quote]   Jets had a great game plan.........Limit Wayne and Dallas Clark......make them beat you with Garcon and Collie.......and, unfortunately, the Colts did just that.....   But, if they told me Wayne and Clark would total 90 yards receiving, and the running game would have gotten about 100 yards total.......you had to figure the Jets would have been good......But Manning saw the single coverage on Garcon and Collie......kept throwing to them.....and the Jets couldn't cover those guys with single coverage.....add to that the lmited pressure on Manning, and the better team took over at the 2 minute warning of the 1st half and owned the rest of the game......    They gave use 3 extra weeks of meaningful football though.........which is nice.....
Jan 26, 2010 1:35 am

[quote=Ron 14]

There it was. A Favre Special. If he runs 5 yards and slides the Vikings are in the Super Bowl, but instead he fires a pass across the middle for a pick. GAME OVER.

Now his offseason bullsh*t will begin..........[/quote]   It was a Favre special, but it didn't cost them the game.   Even if he did that, I think that the ball would be around the 35 yard line which makes it a 52 yard field goal.  It's anything but a gimme.
Jan 26, 2010 3:23 am

Jets needed a better pass rush than they showed last night. Manning is a master surgeon and the ball is his scalpel. We needed to disrupt him and we did for a short while. We just couldnt keep up with the adjustments he and his coaches made.

Gotta give the guy all the credit in the world.
Jan 26, 2010 3:36 am

[quote=anonymous][quote=Ron 14]

There it was. A Favre Special. If he runs 5 yards and slides the Vikings are in the Super Bowl, but instead he fires a pass across the middle for a pick. GAME OVER.

Now his offseason bullsh*t will begin..........[/quote]   It was a Favre special, but it didn't cost them the game.   Even if he did that, I think that the ball would be around the 35 yard line which makes it a 52 yard field goal.  It's anything but a gimme.[/quote]   Well technically no sporting events are decided by one play because so many things happen throughout a game, but top notch players are judged by what they do in the clutch and Favre choked in that situation. That is the bottom line. That being said he is one tough dude who is one of the Top 3 QB's of all time and the Vikings were the better team. If AP and Harvin held onto the ball it wouldn't have mattered, but it did and he laid an egg.
Jan 26, 2010 4:09 am

[quote=Sportsfreakbob]Jets needed a better pass rush than they showed last night. Manning is a master surgeon and the ball is his scalpel. We needed to disrupt him and we did for a short while. We just couldnt keep up with the adjustments he and his coaches made.

Gotta give the guy all the credit in the world.[/quote]   That's what makes him so special.  It seems no one can disrupt him for long anymore.  He's gotten so good at making adjustments.  Even more scary is his ability to make inexperienced and otherwise ordinary receivers look great with pinpoint passing.  His #2 receiver (Gonzales) didn't even play this year.  The defense is playing all-world, while the heart and soul of the secondary (Bob Sanders) hasn't played a down for most of the season.  They lost Tyjuan Hagler earlier in the season and Jaurraud Powers more recently.  With all the injuries they've overcome, it's scary to think how good they COULD have been.   BUT...it all starts with Manning.  To think there was actually controversy when the Colts picked him over Ryan Leaf...and then more controversy when they picked Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams...wow...what could have been...
Jan 26, 2010 1:38 pm

The chargers have beat the colts the past 2 years. You need to hit him every play(late or not) because he can’t scramble at all. The first year the chargers beat him, Merriman rocked him on every play…

  The jets seemed to be doing reall well, until they stopped blitzing..
Jan 27, 2010 7:59 pm

According to recent news, Favre’s newest guest staying at his home in Mississippi is…

      Good luck to you Deanna!
Feb 3, 2010 4:32 pm

Favre’s agent sends pictures of his bruises to a newspaper !!! Are you kidding me ? You played a football game and every single player on the field has bruises. You choked the game away and now you are trying to show what a “warrior” he was. Give me a f***ing break. Favre is a world class PUD and you jock sniffers should be embarrassed.

Feb 3, 2010 4:49 pm

You know, the more I think of it, the more I wonder if Favre isn’t really Roger Clemens’ long-lost brother…they sure are tools of a feather.  We’ll probably find out someday that he was getting shots in the ass too.

Feb 3, 2010 10:41 pm

He just wants people to remember he is a “warrior” not a choking, chucking QB.

Oct 9, 2010 12:17 am

[quote=newnew]As a MN boy, I love this. It is hilarious to read the posts from Aug 09 on how much Farve will suck. I thought he might, too, who knew? But I was SO HAPPY in Aug cuz the Purple had been SO BORING for so long- at least it was not gonna be boring---and it has been AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! What a story.....286 games in a row is beyond incredible[/quote]

Whats up newnew?  How's your boy doin?  I don't know a whole lot but I do know that 'boring' isn't the word thats going to describe whats about to go down w/the ol' Dongslinger.