"Zero capital gains

I’m overcome with excitment. I meant zero taxes.

He gets my vote onLEH if he gets one of his over 18 years of age "sons" to enlist and serve our country. Otherwise, no thanks to Mitt, though ZERO taxes are most appealing.

Prince Harry is quite a patriot in my opinion.

What insidious taxes would Congress devise to make up the shortfall?



Gov. Romney’s idea would be terrific for our business, no doubt. It would,

however, be viewed as some variation of “welfare for the rich”, and as such

wouldn’t stand a chance with the great unwashed.

Starka, where were you in 1970?

I was in high school. Mitt wasn't over in Vietnam. I think he was over in France converting Catholics.  How patriotic of him!

I was getting ready to leave for Vietnam in 1970.



Why?

I figured you were getting ready to go to the 'Nam. Just wanted a confirm.

You're a hero in my book, Starka. Mitt and his "sons" are COWARDS. Can't stand war hawks who didn't serve and won't provide their own brats as cannon fodder.

Thanks for serving and not being a coward, Starka.

Thank you for your kind words and thoughts.  However, no thanks are necessary…given our cause and the men and women with whom I worked in our Navy for nearly 23 years, service was a privilege.

Zero taxes yeah right! Starka is right about the shortfall Congress would never go for it. 

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[quote=Greenbacks]

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[quote=Greenbacks]

Zero taxes yeah right! Starka is right about the shortfall Congress would never go for it. 

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[/quote]

???? What does this mean?  I know two people in my town that are mormons and they are both very outstanding members of the community.  What's wrong with Mormons? 

what would this proposal do to muni’s?

[quote=ymh_ymh_ymh]

You're a hero in my book, Starka. Mitt and his "sons" are COWARDS. Can't stand war hawks who didn't serve and won't provide their own brats as cannon fodder.

[/quote]

  I'd have to know more about the timeframe and circumstances about Romney and the draft before I'd ever call him a coward. As to his kids, come on. Clinton sent troops into combat, a volunteer military, and I'd defend Chelsea against anyone who'd call her or her father a coward because of it.

They don't consume hot beverages with caffeine or cold ones with alcohol.

[quote=gad12][quote=Greenbacks]

Zero taxes yeah right! Starka is right about the shortfall Congress would never go for it. 

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[/quote]

???? What does this mean?  I know two people in my town that are mormons and they are both very outstanding members of the community.  What's wrong with Mormons? 

[/quote]

Gee, I thought we might be beyond religious bigotry at this point in our evolution. That's a shame...

Would you vote for some one if they where a Muslim?

You guys sure know how to rain on someone’s parade.

Don’t get me wrong, Skee…I’m all about reigning in out-of-control-tax-

anything-that-moves policies. It’s just that there’s such a disconnect

between the will of the people and the will of the bureaucrats that I don’t

think that even the strongest of Presidents could even come close to pulling

it off.

[quote=Greenbacks]Would you vote for some one if they where a Muslim?[/quote]

The only thing about voting for a Muslim that would give me pause (and I'm not proud to say this) is that radical elements of that religion mean us harm. If I'm sure this candidate isn't part of that element and doesn't share any of the 15th Century beliefs of some of the rest of Muslim, I could vote for them. Now, I'm unaware of any element of the Mormon religion that aims to fly planes into buildings or stone women for showing skin..

Do you have an approved list of religions to go along with your "I couldn't vote for" list?

[quote=ymh_ymh_ymh]

They don't consume hot beverages with caffeine or cold ones with alcohol. [/quote]

Oh, well, I didn't know that. Obviously that's a reason to never vote for one....

[quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Greenbacks]Would you vote for

some one if they where a Muslim?[/quote]

The only thing about voting for a Muslim that would give me pause

(and I’m not proud to say this) is that radical elements of that religion

mean us harm. If I’m sure this candidate isn’t part of that element and

doesn’t share any of the 15th Century beliefs of some of the rest of

Muslim, I could vote for them. Now, I’m unaware of any element of the

Mormon religion that aims to fly planes into buildings or stone women for

showing skin…

Do you have an approved list of religions to go along with your “I

couldn’t vote for” list?

[quote=Starka] [quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Greenbacks]Would you vote for
some one if they where a Muslim?[/quote]

The only thing about voting for a Muslim that would give me pause
(and I'm not proud to say this) is that radical elements of that religion
mean us harm. If I'm sure this candidate isn't part of that element and
doesn't share any of the 15th Century beliefs of some of the rest of
Muslim, I could vote for them. Now, I'm unaware of any element of the
Mormon religion that aims to fly planes into buildings or stone women for
showing skin..

Do you have an approved list of religions to go along with your "I
couldn't vote for" list?

[/quote]

I wouldn't vote for a Muslim. I wouldn't vote for a communist or a Neo-
Nazi, either. ALL three have a diferent belief system than mine, although
it could be said that not all communists or Neo-Nazis want to fly jetliners
into buildings.[/quote]

Nazis and Communists have views about government that are incompatible with democracy. That’s specifically how they define their ideologies. I doubt you can say that of all forms of Muslims, in fact, while I disagree with him on policy issues, we already have a Muslim serving in the US Congress, and I doubt you can reasonably call him the threat to democracy a Nazi or Communist represents.

I doubt that you could say that a single communist in Congress would be a

threat either.



Mike, if we define a Muslim as one whose belief systm is centered on the

Koran, and the Koran does, in fact, call for the destruction or subjugation of

infidels and unbelievers, then we must assume that a Muslim on some level

is a threat to our way of life.

[quote=Starka] I doubt that you could say that a single communist in Congress would be a threat either. [/quote]

It's not the "single" or multiple issue, it's what each ideology represents. Thus far your attempt to equate Communism/Nazism to all forms of Islam falls pretty flat.

[quote=Starka] Mike, if we define a Muslim as one whose belief system is centered on the Koran, and the Koran does, in fact, call for the destruction or subjugation of
infidels and unbelievers, then we must assume that a Muslim on some level
is a threat to our way of life.[/quote]

If we define Christian (or Jew) as one whose belief system is centered on the Bible, and the Bible does, in fact, call for the destruction or subjugation of women, homosexuals and non-believers, then we must assume that a Christian (or Jew) is a threat to our way of life.

See the obvious problem? You’re assuming the Koran (as I was assuming the Bible example) is read an believed in a specific manner and that no believer of that faith sees the teaching of the source document differently. Frankly, as an agnostic, there are elements of most every religion I could point to as a “threat” to our way of life, yet I assume the best of intentions of believers because we share so many other values. Disagree with him on policy issues all you like (and I certainly do) you can’t reasonably call anything about Keith Ellison's beliefs a “threat to our way of life”, and I have no doubt the same observation could be made of millions of other US Muslims.

Moreover, the attempt to equate Mormonism with the radical elements of Islam is just, well, to be polite, bizarre.

Ah, I do see an obvious problem. The Bible does not, in fact, call for the

destuction or subjugation of anyone, either implied or explicitly. The Koran

does. It’s as explicit as the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. The Bible,

which like it or not is the basis for our system of government, calls for

tolerance. Both Christianity and Judaism acknowledge that faith cannot

come at the point of a sword…the opposite is true of Islam.



And to your last point, I have never tried to equate Mormonism with Islam,

so yours are specious arguments at best.

[quote=AllREIT]

[quote=Greenbacks]

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph

Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[quote=Starka]Ah, I do see an obvious problem. The Bible does not, in fact, call for the destuction or subjugation of anyone, either implied or explicitly. [/quote]

Actually, as read by many Christians, it does. Do we really need to go into detail about it? I’d rather not have a Bible class here, but if need be I‘m sure we can get the lines about the status of homosexuals and women out. I’m not anti-Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but there are vast parts of the Bible that go largely ignored by mainstream Christians as they’re incompatible with the liberal Western life we lead.

[quote=Starka] The Koran does. It's as explicit as the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. [/quote]

Just as there are moderate Christians that reject or define elements of the Bible, there are Muslims that hold beliefs that are moderate and completely compatible with democracy. I gave you an example of a US Congressman that's Muslim, if you can name any positions he hold to the contrary, please spell them out. Again, dragging in the wholly incompatible with democracy Nazis and Communists makes zero sense.

[quote=Starka] The Bible, which like it or not is the basis for our system of government, … [?quote]

No, it clearly isn’t. While many of our founding fathers where Christian, there’s simply no honest way to claim a Biblical basis for our form of government.

[quote=Starka] …..calls for tolerance. Both Christianity and Judaism acknowledge that faith cannot come at the point of a sword...the opposite is true of Islam. [/quote]

You’re making a sweeping statement about Islam that just isn’t supported by the facts. Ask the members of the secular government of Turkey or of countries in the Middle East where Muslims and non-Muslims live side by side in peace. Those who refuse to admit there are moderate Muslims who are no risk to the rest of the world are no more helpful to an honest debate than those who claim there are no radical elements bent on forced conversion.

[quote=Starka] And to your last point, I have never tried to equate Mormonism with Islam, so yours are specious arguments at best.[/quote]

The commentary began with someone claiming he couldn’t vote for a Mormon. Muslims, Communists and Nazis were inserted along the way. In the confusion, I’m sorry if I’ve ascribed a view to you you don’t hold.

I would not vote for a practicing Muslim and/or Mormon because the basic tenets of their faith are in direct conflict with the rights granted to all of us by the US Constitution. Ditto on Orthodox Jews who keep all 613 rules they're supposed to. A few of those rules are in direct conflict with the US Constitution.

I voted for a few practicing Catholics at state/local level. Ditto on Reform/Conservative Jews, Protestants, and agnostics. I never voted for someone who was a Wiccan and most likely never would. Ditto on an atheist (to my knowledge).

Have a nice weekend, one and all. Starka, thanks very much for the US Constitution lessons you have given, your time served with the US Navy, your honesty/candor. I too, considered my time in the military to be an honor for the most part rather than a duty.

FD: Ronald Reagan was and remains my favorite US President closely followed by Jimmy Carter. I was too young to recall if John F. Kennedy was really the legend everyone says he was.

Muslims can and do drink hot beverages with caffeine. They do not consume alcohol. Mormons are NOT supposed to consume alcohol and/or tobacco products. Cold beverages with caffeine are fine, hot ones are not (don't know why). I think Catholics can now eat meat on Friday. When I was a kid and a Catholic it was a big no no.

[quote=Starka] [quote=AllREIT]

[quote=Greenbacks]

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph

Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=ymh_ymh_ymh]

They don't consume hot beverages with caffeine or cold ones with alcohol. [/quote]

Oh, well, I didn't know that. Obviously that's a reason to never vote for one....

[quote=AllREIT]

[quote=Greenbacks]

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

[quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Starka]Ah, I do see an obvious

problem. The Bible does not, in fact, call for the destuction or subjugation

of anyone, either implied or explicitly. [/quote]

Actually, as read by many Christians, it does. Do we really need to go

into detail about it? I’d rather not have a Bible class here, but if need be

I‘m sure we can get the lines about the status of homosexuals and

women out. I’m not anti-Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but

there are vast parts of the Bible that go largely ignored by mainstream

Christians as they’re incompatible with the liberal Western life we lead. [/

P]

[quote=Starka] The Koran does. It’s as explicit as the Communist

Manifesto or Mein Kampf. [/quote]

Just as there are moderate Christians that reject or define elements of

the Bible, there are Muslims that hold beliefs that are moderate and

completely compatible with democracy. I gave you an example of a US

Congressman that’s Muslim, if you can name any positions he hold to the

contrary, please spell them out. Again, dragging in the wholly

incompatible with democracy Nazis and Communists makes zero sense.[/

P]

[quote=Starka] The Bible, which like it or not is the basis for our

system of government, … [?quote]

No, it clearly isn’t. While many of our founding fathers where Christian,

there’s simply no honest way to claim a Biblical basis for our form of

government.

[quote=Starka] ……calls for tolerance. Both Christianity and Judaism

acknowledge that faith cannot come at the point of a sword…the opposite

is true of Islam. [/quote]

You’re making a sweeping statement about Islam that just isn’t

supported by the facts. Ask the members of the secular government of

Turkey or of countries in the Middle East where Muslims and non-

Muslims live side by side in peace. Those who refuse to admit there are

moderate Muslims who are no risk to the rest of the world are no more

helpful to an honest debate than those who claim there are no radical

elements bent on forced conversion.

[quote=Starka] And to your last point, I have never tried to equate

Mormonism with Islam, so yours are specious arguments at best.[/

QUOTE]

The commentary began with someone claiming he couldn’t vote for a

Mormon. Muslims, Communists and Nazis were inserted along the way. In

the confusion, I’m sorry if I’ve ascribed a view to you you don’t hold.

[quote=AllREIT]

[quote=Starka] [quote=AllREIT]

[quote=Greenbacks]

But my main concern is he is a MORMON! Joseph

Smith tried to run for president and he was executed!

From the King James Bible:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4 07964



Leviticus 20:9

[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.



Deuteronomy 7:2

[2] And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:



Or the justification for slavery:

Genesis 9:24-27

24] And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

[25] And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

[26] And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

[27] God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.



Noah got drunk and got pissed at one of his kids and doomed his grandson to be a ‘servant of servants’.



These kinds of bible quotes can continue for as long as horrible quotes can continue from the Koran. No one wishes to question or deconstruct other people’s faith - I am sure. You get value and peace from being a Christian. I get value and peace from being a Muslim.



Christianity is followed by 33% of all people in the world & that percentage has stayed stable in the last decades. Islam is followed by 21% of people in the world is amongst the fastest growing religions. Islam may overtake Christianity as the world’s largest religion as early as the 2020’s.

[quote=Ashland] From the King James Bible:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4 07964



Leviticus 20:9

[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put

to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon

him.



Deuteronomy 7:2

[2] And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou

shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no

covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:



Or the justification for slavery:

Genesis 9:24-27

24] And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had

done unto him.

[25] And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be

unto his brethren.

[26] And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be

his servant.

[27] God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem;

and Canaan shall be his servant.



Noah got drunk and got pissed at one of his kids and doomed his

grandson to be a ‘servant of servants’.



These kinds of bible quotes can continue for as long as horrible quotes

can continue from the Koran. No one wishes to question or deconstruct

other people’s faith - I am sure. You get value and peace from being a

Christian. I get value and peace from being a Muslim.



Christianity is followed by 33% of all people in the world & that

percentage has stayed stable in the last decades. Islam is followed by

21% of people in the world is amongst the fastest growing religions.

Islam may overtake Christianity as the world’s largest religion as early as

the 2020’s.[/quote]



Haver you heard of the New Testament, Ashland? Christ is the New

Covenant. We are commanded, among other things, to love our brothers

as ourselves, and to hate the sin but love the sinner. The path from Old

to New Testament is considered to be an advancement of faith, embodied

in Christ Jesus, who while personally present here on earth, gave us the

new rules to live by.

[quote=Starka]


Cornell superior to Yale and Harvard??? LOL…With all due respect Allreit,

that’s simply not so, particularly in fields involving international studies.

[/quote]



It is lonely at the top, don’t be a hater.

[quote=AllREIT]

[quote=Starka]

Cornell superior to Yale and Harvard??? LOL…With all due respect Allreit,

that’s simply not so, particularly in fields involving international studies.





[/quote]



It is lonely at the top, don’t be a hater.

[/quote]



How do you know? (It really IS lonely at the top, though. C’mon up and join

me in a Dos Equis for Cinqo de Mayo!)

[quote=AllREIT]


And this is comming from a post 9/11 brass hat republican





[/quote]

Could someone tell me what the heck this means?

AllREIT, Starka, Ashland, Joe et all:

1. Penn's my favorite Ivy League school. It's the east coast version of USC.

2. David Bergers is my favorite Yalie.

3. Roel Campos is my favorite Harvard type.

4. I will stick to stocks over ponies going forward.

Never, ever, chase a mint julep with a couple of Coronas. I am still feeling the pain from mixing Derby Day with Cinco de Mayo!

Sidebar to Ashland: I am a proponent of moderate religion of any kind. I wish moderate Muslims would lean on their minority extremist peers more. Moderate Jews do yank their less moderate peers' chains all the time. So do moderate Catholics. Moderate Mormons started doing that last year when the Feds came down hard on polygamist cults.

There have been far too many wars waged in the name of Allah, Jesus, and/or Hashem. It's time for that crap to stop one of these days.

I wish one and all a peaceful day on this message board.

[quote=AllREIT] [quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=ymh_ymh_ymh]

They don't consume hot beverages with caffeine or cold ones with alcohol. [/quote]

Oh, well, I didn't know that. Obviously that's a reason to never vote for one....

[/quote]

Anyone who won't drink hot caffinated beverages nor cold alcoholic beverages (thus limiting themselves to iced cola's and hot toddy's) doesn't have what it takes to be president.
[/quote]

Now there's some interesting criteria....

[quote=Starka] 

Mike, the fallacy of your entire contention is that you can interpret things any way that you like...it doesn't change what it says. "The Bible as read by many Christians" is a meaningless statement. [/quote]

Really? You can't? There's 100% agreement? You'd never know that by the many, many wars fought over just that sort of interpretation issue....

[quote=Starka]  The Christian Bible IS the basis of our government, whether you like it or not. Again, a fallacious argument. [/quote]

sigh......it simply is not.

I'm really not interested in a religious debate with you. The fact is there are many sections of the Bible that are either flatly ignored by different denominations, the dietary rules, for example or interpreted differently. This is why some Christians make and issue of Mary being a virgin, or ask for celibacy from the clergy or will or will not allow homosexuals to serve in their clergy. For you to ignore the fact that Christianity is not a monolith and to suggest that Islam IS just inconsistent and illogical.

[quote=AllREIT]
As for Bush, he suffers from a bad case of firehouse syndrome. I.e if you sit around talking all day with the same people who pretty much think as you do, you can start believing some pretty strange things. [/quote]

ROFLMAO, like that's unique to this administration.....

[quote=Starka] [quote=Ashland] From the King James Bible:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&by te=4 07964

Leviticus 20:9
[9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put
to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon
him.

Deuteronomy 7:2
[2] And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou
shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no
covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

Or the justification for slavery:
Genesis 9:24-27
24] And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had
done unto him.
[25] And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be
unto his brethren.
[26] And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be
his servant.
[27] God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem;
and Canaan shall be his servant.

Noah got drunk and got pissed at one of his kids and doomed his
grandson to be a 'servant of servants'.

These kinds of bible quotes can continue for as long as horrible quotes
can continue from the Koran. No one wishes to question or deconstruct
other people's faith - I am sure. You get value and peace from being a
Christian. I get value and peace from being a Muslim.

Christianity is followed by 33% of all people in the world & that
percentage has stayed stable in the last decades. Islam is followed by
21% of people in the world is amongst the fastest growing religions.
Islam may overtake Christianity as the world's largest religion as early as
the 2020's.[/quote]

Haver you heard of the New Testament, Ashland? Christ is the New
Covenant. We are commanded, among other things, to love our brothers
as ourselves, and to hate the sin but love the sinner. The path from Old
to New Testament is considered to be an advancement of faith, embodied
in Christ Jesus, who while personally present here on earth, gave us the
new rules to live by.[/quote]

Just for the sake of argument, let's say you're correct. Let's further assume there aren't any examples like the above in the New Testament. Those Old Testament rules appear in the text Jews use. Wouldn't that mean, by your rules, that you can't vote for a Jew, given your belief that the text can only be read one way and that someone from a faith thats source text makes such comments is bound to hold them?

Now, where did I say that?



You have a penchant for strawman arguments, Mike.

[quote=Starka]Now, where did I say that?

You have a penchant for strawman arguments, Mike.[/quote]

I assume by "where did I say that" you're referring to how you wouldn't vote for a Muslim because Islam is inconsistent with a democratic form of government, based on a number of versus that you say have to be read in a specific fashion and which all Muslims hold as basic tenets of their faith.

Well, the above verses from the Old Testament sound like they’re equally incompatible. You tried to step around that by ignoring them and mentioning the New Testament in a prior post, as if the Old Testament verses don’t matter any longer. But the fact is they ARE the source text for Jews. Now, since you won’t allow for any reading of the Koran but the most extreme, it seems to me you’ll have to drop that standard when it comes to reading the Old Testament, or, to be consistent, you’d have to conclude that you can’t vote for an observant Jew, since his religious text holds those verses we’ve been discussing.

As usual, your assumptions are incorrect Mike. That’s not what I was

referring to at all.



Please spend a little more time on reading comprehension, and less on

trying to twist meanings that aren’t what YOU want them to be.



Face it Mike, you’re outgunned. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[quote=Starka]As usual, your assumptions are incorrect Mike. That's not what I was referring to at all.

Please spend a little more time on reading comprehension, and less on
trying to twist meanings that aren't what YOU want them to be.

Face it Mike, you're outgunned. You don't know what you're talking about.[/quote]

Well, your insults are clear, even though you didn’t bother to note just where I was wrong.

You did say this, didn't you?

[quote=Starka] Ah, I do see an obvious problem. The Bible does not, in fact, call for the destuction or subjugation of anyone, either implied or explicitly. The Koran does. [/quote]

Don't the Bible verses in the prior post undermine you claim here? If not, isn't it only because you ignore them because the New Testament allows you, by your readings, to ignore large parts of the Old Testament? What does that say of people who do use the Old Testament as their religious text?

Either your allowing them to have differing understandings (or simply ignore) text that runs contrary to our shared thinking (which is my position both on Bible verses and the Korans verses and which would be inconsistent on your part) or you have to be consistent and acknowledge you couldn’t vote for a candidate who is observant of that religion.

 Quote!by Mike  Frankly, as an agnostic,

Mike, that pretty much sums it up.  

Most agnostics do not believe in anything. 

[quote=Greenbacks]

 Quote!by Mike  Frankly, as an agnostic,

Mike, that pretty much sums it up.  

Most agnostics do not believe in anything. 

[/quote]

Better still, religious bigotry in stereo 

Mike, when Jews start killing people as a matter of their faith, when the

Torah calls for holy jihad, when Chirstians start systematically crashing jets

into buildings occupied by innocents, when people of these faiths start

strapping explosives to their bodies and killing bystanders, when they start

loading trucks with dynamite and kill people as an act of perceived

obedience to God, then I’ll refuse to vote for them. When Jews start to kill

people systematically for disobedience to parents, then and only then will

your contentions have any validity. Until then, your arguments are hogwash.



Is that a plain enough answer for you?

"Mike, when Jews start killing people as a matter of their faith,"

WHEN! When jews START killing people....

Did you really write that?

Ever heard of the Philistines? Ever heard of King David? "Saul has his hundreds, David has his Thousands!" Those were refernces to the number of Philistines they had personally killed!

Please!

Not to mention, aren't they tossing the PM there because of his attacks on Lebanon?

I have only so much ll against the jews, but please, lets not pretend that they don't have history.

[quote=Whomitmayconcer]

"Mike, when Jews start killing people as a

matter of their faith,"

WHEN! When jews START killing people…

Did you really write that?

Ever heard of the Philistines? Ever heard of King David? “Saul has his

hundreds, David has his Thousands!” Those were refernces to the number

of Philistines they had personally killed!

Please!

Not to mention, aren’t they tossing the PM there because of his attacks

on Lebanon?

I have only so much ll against the jews, but please, lets not pretend

that they don’t have history.

[quote=Starka]Mike, when Jews start killing people as a matter of their faith, when the
Torah calls for holy jihad, when Chirstians start systematically crashing jets
into buildings occupied by innocents, when people of these faiths start
strapping explosives to their bodies and killing bystanders, when they start
loading trucks with dynamite and kill people as an act of perceived
obedience to God, then I'll refuse to vote for them. When Jews start to kill
people systematically for disobedience to parents, then and only then will
your contentions have any validity. Until then, your arguments are hogwash.

Is that a plain enough answer for you?[/quote]

Yep, very clear. In your mind all Muslims adhere to the extremist form of Islam.

OK, I assume the proposed zero capital gains tax has been summarily dismissed; perhaps you can start a thread with a more appropriate title to reflect your discussion.

[quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Starka]Mike, when Jews start killing

people as a matter of their faith, when the Torah calls for holy jihad,

when Chirstians start systematically crashing jets into buildings occupied

by innocents, when people of these faiths start strapping explosives to

their bodies and killing bystanders, when they start loading trucks with

dynamite and kill people as an act of perceived obedience to God, then I’ll

refuse to vote for them. When Jews start to kill people systematically for

disobedience to parents, then and only then will your contentions have

any validity. Until then, your arguments are hogwash. Is that a plain

enough answer for you?[/quote]

Yep, very clear. In your mind all Muslims adhere to the extremist form

of Islam.

[quote=Cowboy93]OK, I assume the proposed zero capital gains tax has been summarily dismissed; perhaps you can start a thread with a more appropriate title to reflect your discussion.[/quote]

The funny thing is a new thread of "voting for a Muslim" was started, but we continue here....

As for me, I see no way a zero cap gains tax agenda passes into law.

Now THAT I agree with.

[quote=Starka] [quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Starka]Mike, when Jews start killing
people as a matter of their faith, when the Torah calls for holy jihad,
when Chirstians start systematically crashing jets into buildings occupied
by innocents, when people of these faiths start strapping explosives to
their bodies and killing bystanders, when they start loading trucks with
dynamite and kill people as an act of perceived obedience to God, then I'll
refuse to vote for them. When Jews start to kill people systematically for
disobedience to parents, then and only then will your contentions have
any validity. Until then, your arguments are hogwash. Is that a plain
enough answer for you?[/quote]

Yep, very clear. In your mind all Muslims adhere to the extremist form
of Islam.

[/quote]

Once again, I must ask where did I say that?

You've got quite an imagination going on there, little guy![/quote]

Who was it that claimed "matter of faith" about flying planes into buildings and said he couldn't vote for a Muslim? If that isn't assuming that ALL Muslims adhere to what YOU define as the Muslim faith, what is?

[quote=Starka] Islam seems to be the only of the faiths under
discussion that hasn't progressed over the last several thousand years.

[/quote]

Seems like a pretty broad brush to me. Tell me again how this isn't claiming all of Islam and all Muslims aren't part of this "hasn't progressed" contingent?

If not, why do you insist on being so definitive? Every other post you claim you aren’t speaking of all Muslims, and the next you talk, without even a hint of equivocation, of Islam or Muslims as a whole. Why can’t you bring yourself to say you would be willing to vote for a Muslim if he WASN’T one of these types?

[quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Cowboy93]OK, I assume the proposed

zero capital gains tax has been summarily dismissed; perhaps you can start

a thread with a more appropriate title to reflect your discussion.[/quote] [/

P]

The funny thing is a new thread of “voting for a Muslim” was started, but

we continue here…

As for me, I see no way a zero cap gains tax agenda passes into law.

[quote=Starka] [quote=mikebutler222]

[quote=Cowboy93]OK, I assume the proposed
zero capital gains tax has been summarily dismissed; perhaps you can start
a thread with a more appropriate title to reflect your discussion.[/quote] [/
P]

The funny thing is a new thread of "voting for a Muslim" was started, but
we continue here....

As for me, I see no way a zero cap gains tax agenda passes into law.

[/
QUOTE]

Do they have gravity on your planet Mike?

[/quote]

Perhaps this post means something to you, but it's indecipherable to me.

As are most things, Mike.



See you in the funny papers!

[quote=Starka]As are most things, Mike.

See you in the funny papers![/quote]

Best wishes....

Right back at ya!

ymh, I thought you were running for an appointment in the SEC?  aren't you supposed to be less public about your religious beliefs?  I'm probably wrong, it probably doesn't matter....

back to the last On Topic post, how would no Cap Gains Tax effect the Muni market? 

I don’t think it would affect the muni market much, if at all. People generally

buy munis for tax free income, not cap gains.

[quote=Starka]I don’t think it would affect the muni market much, if at all. People generally

buy munis for tax free income, not cap gains.[/quote]



It wouldn’t pass in the first place (short term gains are rich man’s
income), and would have distorting effects on investment in the US.



The existing system of taxing short term gains as ordinary income and
long term gains @ 15% == Tax on QDI seems about right. They may change
it to LTCG are taxed at the higher of 15% or 1/2 your marginal rate.