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Wow, if the worst comment made about me was nappy head hos… God life would be good.
This is over kill. Unless he dies or is posted at the stake the NAACP will not walk away.
Did you hear the REVERAN Sharpton. He was a leader at how many events that resulted in death. He just made a nice comment about “jewing the numbers.” It was nice to see him in full support of the PIG down in NC who forever has destroyed the lives of 50 families. Remember it was a team, the coach had to resign and many missed at least a year.
Maybe this is more of a political move to push Husain Obama
This whole story frustrates me - the 2 "black leaders" are such hypocrites it's sickening. Hymie Town and and made up rape allegations, shakedowns etc., and they are never held accountable. This is such crap with other garbage unfolding in front of us, we get this 24/7. Could've done w/o the "Husain" line though. They aren't exactly pushing Obama all that much, he isn't black enough for them.
I disagree. Just because others are doing it does not make it right.
His comments were horrible. He should lose his job. There are very few good role models out there, and he makes a nasty comment about these women.
Just think, is there any situation where this would have come out of your mouth? It is wrong.
And Sharpton should go down too.
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I disagree. Just because others are doing it does not make it right.
His comments were horrible. He should lose his job. There are very few good role models out there, and he makes a nasty comment about these women.
Just think, is there any situation where this would have come out of your mouth? It is wrong.
And Sharpton should go down too.
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You liberals take life way too seriously.
I was just going to post a comment in the Election thread about this when I saw you made one here Airforce.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Hey, the market spoke. Imus got the hook because advertisers pulled their ads. Money talks, BS walks!
Imus had the double misfortune of saying what he did to whom he did on what is generally called "A slow news day!" Hey, he lived by the media, he made a living commenting on the popular culture, and now he has died by the bitten hand of his feeder. But he also made the mistake of picking on a bunch of college girls.
It's not the first time for Don. Back in the late sixties, early seventies I used to listen to him on 66 WNBC in NYC (I was like 10 or so, and my mother, whom is prudish, and I both listened to and liked Imus) until he said something that crossed a line and he got fired!
Off to <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Chicago (I think) to repent went Don (we all know that Dr. Johnny Fever of WKRP in Cincinnati is loosely based on Imus, right?) and eventually he got his seat back at NBC.... But he wasn't nearly as fun or funny as before... He had taken to drink, and cocaine was finding it's way up his nose too (or so I heard). Eventually, he went too far again and (IIRC) got s-canned again. Into rehab this time.
Then he came back again. This time to fight against the evil Dr. Howard Stern!(ooooohhhh).
Moral of that story being. Imus has been fired for life before!
Whom are the winners and who are the losers in this brouhaha?
Rutgers... Wins
Imus.... loses
NBC... Wins
CBS (so far)... Wins (bump up in listenership just for the morbid curiosity)
Sharpton v. Jackson... Sharpton increases his lead over Jesse as top spokesperson.
Sharpton v. Imus... Nobody really cares.
Presidential candidates...
McCain.... Loser, this steals his anti Dem speech thunder.
Newt... Winner. He told you there was a problem with Ghetto talk just last week didn't he?
Rudy... Loser; Tries to act as a mediator (from what little of him I heard) comes off as a dish rag.
Democrats... Are they still running? Last I heard of them was a Obama Clinton ticket with Hillary at the bottom of the ticket.
Imus - Wrong for what he said. However, that what he said is spoken and accepted on the streets in every city in the country by ordinary people speaks to the societal issues facing not only blacks but our entire society as a whole. It's become cool to "Go Ghetto" , the word "Ho", demeaning to black women, has entered the general vernacular and that's a problem.
MSNBC et al. - Hypocrits one and all. Media and corporate america might want to double check their own ethical closet when doling out Imus punishment or criticism. AMEX, P&G, GM and the rest bail on Imus for his racially insensative comment, yet advertise on MTV, VH1 and the Grammys all of which embrace Hip-Hop music. The same Hip-Hop music, much of which celebrates the demeaning of all women, but black women in particlar. Apparently, corporate racial ethics when it comes to these matters is blinded by the ringing cash register.
Al Sharpton - Freddy's Fashion Mart. Enough said.
BondGuy - you are my new favorite!
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Imus - Wrong for what he said. However, that what he said is spoken and accepted on the streets in every city in the country by ordinary people speaks to the societal issues facing not only blacks but our entire society as a whole. It’s become cool to “Go Ghetto” , the word “Ho”, demeaning to black women, has entered the general vernacular and that’s a problem.
MSNBC et al. - Hypocrits one and all. Media and corporate america might want to double check their own ethical closet when doling out Imus punishment or criticism. AMEX, P&G, GM and the rest bail on Imus for his racially insensative comment, yet advertise on MTV, VH1 and the Grammys all of which embrace Hip-Hop music. The same Hip-Hop music, much of which celebrates the demeaning of all women, but black women in particlar. Apparently, corporate racial ethics when it comes to these matters is blinded by the ringing cash register.
Al Sharpton - Freddy's Fashion Mart. Enough said.
[/quote]Agreed on all fronts.
What Imus said was terribly offensive and maybe he really does deserve to lose his job.
Sharpton, however, is a bigot with a track record of inciting violence. And he panders to the poor of his own race solely for his political and financial benefit. Here's a rather disturbing article I found via google:
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2411
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Al Sharpton - Freddy's Fashion Mart. Enough said.
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No doubt about it. Having the guy that owes Stephen Pagones a boatload of money, and Rev. Hymietown leading the charge again Imus does little more than make him, even with his moronic comments, seem sympathetic.
Rev. Hymietown
Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymie
Hey, the market spoke. Imus got the hook because advertisers pulled their ads. Money talks, BS walks!<?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O />
Imus had the double misfortune of saying what he did to whom he did on what is generally called "A slow news day!" Hey, he lived by the media, he made a living commenting on the popular culture, and now he has died by the bitten hand of his feeder. But he also made the mistake of picking on a bunch of college girls.
Yep. It is all about crossing a line.
Imus - Wrong for what he said. However, that what he said is spoken and accepted on the streets in every city in the country by ordinary people speaks to the societal issues facing not only blacks but our entire society as a whole. It's become cool to "Go Ghetto" , the word "Ho", demeaning to black women, has entered the general vernacular and that's a problem.
If you are going to play near the line (comedy, art) you need to be smart enough to know where it is. Or maybe your brain needs to be young and supple enough to keep you clear. Maybe he was just trying too hard to be cool.
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Rev. Hymietown
Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymie
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I take it you've forgotten the Rev. Jackson's comment, and how he went off on the black reporter (for a lack of solidarity) who printed what he'd heard Jackson say in a private conversation.
It's all about the double standard that exists today. Was what Imus said offensive and wrong. Yes it was. However, the same words and attitude is expressed everyday by black rap artists ( and I use that term loosely here) who are making money hand over fist by exploiting and denigrating women, glorifying the gang and drug culture. Where is the censure on this by the Black community? Nowhere.
So Imus apologizes and grovels for insulting the women on the basketball team, as he should do. Those women didn't deserve his foul mouth. How anyone ever found him entertaining is beyond me.
BUT>>>>>> Where is the demand that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the other victimhood merchants apologize for the horrible things they said about the Duke LaCrosse players, who are also innocent of any wrong doing. When do they apologize to the Jewish community for the anti Semitic remarks that they make. Never and Nowhere!! Because it is perfectly acceptable to be a reverse racist and never have to apologize for bigotry if you are not WASP (probably don't play golf either). If you are Hispanic, Black or any other ethnic group, you can say anything you want. If you are a white or in the case of Michelle Malkin oriental, you'd better watch your mouth.
This firing of Imus sets a bad precedent for anyone else who wants to have free speech. It is free speech but only if the speech is approved by the Thought Police and has passed the political correctness test. In order for our speech to be free, we have to put up with offensive and irritating speech that we disagree with as well as that with which we agree.
Free speech for me but not for thee.
Okay, so by extension, Rev. Hymietown ?
If you are Hispanic, Black or any other ethnic group, you can say anything you want. If you are a white or in the case of Michelle Malkin oriental, you'd better watch your mouth.
Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
Imus is judged solely in the context of his sponsors, career reputation, specific attack on college women and so on. And the market judges harshly.
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
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Okay, so by extension, Rev. Hymietown ?
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Is that a question directed to me?
Now that's BS. My socioeconomic status doesn't give Jesse, or the Reverend or any other black or non white person a blank check to say anything they wish about white people because they aren't benefiting from today's economy. Maybe if those same two put that much effort into improving the family dynamics that is so absent in their own culture we might all be better off. They curse those in their own culture however that bring that up to - i.e. Bill Cosby.
I raise the BS flag w/ that statement Silouette - sorry!
[quote=silouette]
Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.) [/quote]
You don't really believe that, do you? "Everyone" will never be accountable...
[quote=silouette]
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
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Just wtf does that mean?
You may not have noticed, but employment numbers and home ownership rates are at or near all time highs for non-whites. There's plenty of room for gains in racial equality, but spare me the white-guilt. A little bit of attention towards the lunacy have having Sharpton and <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Jackson leading the charge against inflammatory racial commentary would be appreciated.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Speaking of hypocrisy, how about opportunist Obama jumping on the bash-Imus bandwagon now that that ship has sailed while having met with rappers at make millions spewing garbage about women every bit as bad, in fact often worse, than Imus ever has?
Yes, Mike.
[quote=silouette]Yes, Mike. [/quote]
So what exactly is your question? Are you taking issue with me for bringing up Jackson's comments?
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Now that's BS. My socioeconomic status doesn't give Jesse, or the Reverend or any other black or non white person a blank check to say anything they wish about white people because they aren't benefiting from today's economy. Maybe if those same two put that much effort into improving the family dynamics that is so absent in their own culture we might all be better off. They curse those in their own culture however that bring that up to - i.e. Bill Cosby.
I raise the BS flag w/ that statement Silouette - sorry!
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No worries. BS might be a little strong. Capitalism, by nature, requires a social net. I'm not saying anyone is entitled, and I certainly admire Cosby's position. And I could not agree with you more about the potentially negative affects of any culture gone off track, and specifically, white and black " trash ".
You will find me to huge advocate of positive culture, and not the kind of respectful and productive behaviour that is enforced by rules and consequences - rather, positive peer leader. I'm a hypocrite, and try to recognize the need to try to help clean up around me.
[quote=silouette] Capitalism, by nature, requires a social net. [/quote]
We have one, often to the determent of people held by it.
[quote=silouette]
You will find me to huge advocate of positive culture,.....
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Aren't 99.9% of us?
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
Just wtf does that mean?
Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something. But, in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with, like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you may be in a minority ( most people in the world live in poverty, and many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.
Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.
Holy crap!<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Why must there ALWAYS be a "But what about them?"
I don't make my judgment of Imus' comments based on what Sharpton says. And neither should you. Sharpton is irrelevant "rap artists" are irrelevant, so is Mick Jagger screaming You're a Far Stucker far stucker far stucker far stucker FARRR (meaning, the rap community has no patent on the degradation of women).
What Imus does is wrong! What alot of people do is wrong. This is just an adjustment of the market. This "Us V. Them" mentality that comes out each and every time something like this comes up is exactly what we claim the other side is doing without realizing that "our side" is doing the same damned thing! The irony is that it freezes the market, so that the pendulum can not swing back. We divert the issue from the issue and focus ad hominem instead.
This is ridiculously predictable! And it's juvenile! You should be ashamed of yourselves for even perpetuating the "logic!"
A lady was on Today during this who wrote a book titled something like "Why We Can't Talk About Race" . The impression I got was that someone had finally argued against the instant accusation of "Racist" any time a white person tried to talk racism. The thing is, the white community does the same thing every time a black person wants to talk about racism too. The evidence of this is in numerous posts above this one.
Free speech has ALWAYS been subject to public standards. We don't let people use the 7words on TV, we don't show pornographic movies on TV, you can't have nude pictures on the sidewalk promoting your shop (what ever the shop). What Imus did was he used barroom humor on the public airways. Hopefully this will act as a reminder to people in their general lives. Don't yell out "AW SH!T!" when you drop your ice cream cone on the sidewalk in a big crowd. That language doesn't belong there!
Yeah, there ought to be thought police, each of us ought to self police our own thoughts. That's the difference between being juvenile and being a mature adult.
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[quote=silouette] Capitalism, by nature, requires a social net. [/quote]
We have one, often to the determent of people held by it.
[quote=silouette]
You will find me to huge advocate of positive culture,.....
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Aren't 99.9% of us?
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Well, building the projects in the 60's might not have been the brightest idea.
I think you know, with regards to here, about the 99.9% positive question. Can you say, " elements of insidious negativity"?
I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader.
Whomit has laid all of this out pretty eloquently here. We are talking about how language and logic perpetuate even our own ignorance.
I would only add, from an economic point of view, the evolution of all of this moving forward is inevitable, painful, but hopeful.
[quote=silouette]
silouette wrote:We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
Just wtf does that mean?
Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something. But, in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with, like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you may be in a minority ( most people in the world live in poverty, and many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.
Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.
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I recognize often how lucky I am with health and income, family, etc.. When I consider those things I’m fortunate to have and consider those who don’t, I don’t have a particular ethnic or racial group in mind. I’ve seen all sorts of people who’re unfortunate in some area or another where I’ve been blessed. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I agree with your comment about ending a cycle of negativity, but I don’t feel the need to inject white guilt to get there. Charlatans, regardless of race or ethnicity, should be identified as such. It’s a form of racism, as I see it, to coddle one variety and condemn another by using race as a mitigating factor. That’s why I think Imus should have been fired AND I think it’s the height of cowardice for the decision makers behind firing Imus to allow thugs and shakedown artists like Jackson and Sharpton to appear to have made the decision for them.
Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
No it doesn't. The only people who's feet are held to the fire are white America. I think it lowers the standard by not making all groups accountable for the same actions. Twana Brawley anyone? It also lowers the standards when one group can cry foul and demand others bend to their whims while yet another group is shushed up for doing exactly the same things.
Imus is judged solely in the context of his sponsors, career reputation, specific attack on college women and so on. And the market judges harshly.
Well, that would be true if the market had actually judged. Instead it was a rush of political activists complaining and forcing sponsors to remove themselves from his program. Who wants to be the last company to wait and see if this latest tempest calmed down? Personally I don't give a rip about Imus. I think he is a boor and probably does deserve to be fired, but it shouldn't be because the victim merchants are using extortion and strong arming the network.
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy.
Oh baloney. There are a lot of people benefiting from our economic expansion. We are having an economic expansion in spite of some people. You bet I'm frustrated by the double standard. I'm sick of the political correctness that has turned a whole generation of people into mindless spineless twits. You can't make a joke at work that might offend some ones sensitive gender, ethnicity or dog. People have no sense of humor anymore.
On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
I don't care about moving our broader society forward. You seem to think that this latest fiasco is a step forward. Again. I see it as a step somewhere, but not forward.
On the golf course, on a day like today, I imagine the ball is the back of someone's head and then smack the he## out of it. That recharges me.
[quote=silouette]
I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader. [/quote]
It comes from <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Jackson's own comments. You know, it isn't just that he used the term towards individuals and added "town" to the end of it when he referred to NYC, it was the way his first response was to attack the black reporter for "spilling the beans", as if he was obligated, since they were both black, to some loyalty about closeted racism.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Let me be clear about this, because there seems to be some misunderstanding. I don’t think Imus should have been able to keep his job because of Sharpton and Jackson’s personal past. Imus’ comments SHOULD have cost him his job. Their presence in this uproar didn’t amount to mitigation of Imus’ conduct.
OTOH, Jackson and Sharptons personal pasts SHOULD have disqualified them from leading the assault on Imus. People weighing the issues around Imus’ comments SHOULD have been able to swat those two away as the irrelevant mosquitoes that they are. In fact, long ago those two should have been swatted away by serious people. The same swatting should be directed at politicians who look for a microphone to go after Imus AFTER it’s obvious he’s lost his job and public sentiment is against him (but not a moment before) and who will be sucking up to some rap star tomorrow, ignoring the massive waves of misogyny coming from that corner.
We agree. You know, Jackson and Sharpton have been around for a long time, I think most of us see them for what they are - to the extent that perhaps these fellows have impeded all of us.
And now these old warhorses, along with the radical left, are having their time in the sun.
It's just another form of good old boy crap. Frankly, I see some of that here from time to time. It gets disguised as "tough love". It may be fun for the " club ", but it really doesn't raise the consciousness of the forum. So then it becomes a game of defining the rules, defining the " culture ".
Now Joe is going to say, " you always turn the discussion to this point". You know what, Joe, too bad.
But what I see is the next generation getting hurt sometimes. Whoomit has really nailed, and what he is saying is, if I got it right,
" it all starts right here, with our own thoughts, and language."
A generation ago, they were saying, feelings like anger need to be brought out and dealt with. Now they are saying, anger is not really a useful emotion, and you might consider just shutting it off in your brain when it starts. And there are plenty of other crappy emotions that can be shut off, like building yourself up while putting others down, albeit joking.
If there is anything true about what Whomit says above, all of this stuff is tied up. We don't have to wait to evolve.
Just my moralistic, white horse, preachy point of view. Please forget it about it.
SHARPTON VOWS MORE: 'It is our feeling that this is only the beginning. We must have a broad discussion on what is permitted and not permitted in terms of the airwaves'...
And so it begins. The thought police are going to tell us what we can say, how we can think and it better not be offensive to the new self appointed arbiters of society.
It is evidently OK to offend Christians with the Piss Christ and Dung Mary. God forbid we have a cartoon of Muhammed. It is ok to refuse to let students celebrate Christmas on campus but we will install foot baths for Muslims to wash their feet before praying on campus. Now we are sending students to conferences to learn about white privilege and just how bad white people are. http://www.cwsworkshop.org/resources/WhitePrivilege.html
How about instead we teach the kids how to read, write, history, science and do math?
To further illustrate the hypocrisy and double standard, you will find that Imus is now being listed as a conservative. Puuleeeze. He endorsed Kerry and hates the Bush administration. Imus is a bleeding heart liberal who happens to be a foul mouthed jerk and redneck.. Of course we must label him as a conservative, because he doesn't fit the approved politically correct mold for the liberal agenda's idea of a Democrat.
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Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
No it doesn't. The only people who's feet are held to the fire are white America. I think it lowers the standard by not making all groups accountable for the same actions. Twana Brawley anyone? It also lowers the standards when one group can cry foul and demand others bend to their whims while yet another group is shushed up for doing exactly the same things.
Imus is judged solely in the context of his sponsors, career reputation, specific attack on college women and so on. And the market judges harshly.
Well, that would be true if the market had actually judged. Instead it was a rush of political activists complaining and forcing sponsors to remove themselves from his program. Who wants to be the last company to wait and see if this latest tempest calmed down? Personally I don't give a rip about Imus. I think he is a boor and probably does deserve to be fired, but it shouldn't be because the victim merchants are using extortion and strong arming the network.
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy.
Oh baloney. There are a lot of people benefiting from our economic expansion. We are having an economic expansion in spite of some people. You bet I'm frustrated by the double standard. I'm sick of the political correctness that has turned a whole generation of people into mindless spineless twits. You can't make a joke at work that might offend some ones sensitive gender, ethnicity or dog. People have no sense of humor anymore.
On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
I don't care about moving our broader society forward. You seem to think that this latest fiasco is a step forward. Again. I see it as a step somewhere, but not forward.
On the golf course, on a day like today, I imagine the ball is the back of someone's head and then smack the he## out of it. That recharges me.
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Yeah, yeah, we really connected there looney. That's what you call win lose. Ego, recharge.
[quote=silouette]
I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader.
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You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Yeah, yeah, we really connected there looney. That's what you call win lose. Ego, recharge
Who's trying to connect with you?
I'm telling you what I think. If you don't like it.... that's your perogative. What are you going to do get me fired? Bring in the feminazi's and political brown shirts, because I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings on all of the same things you do? Send me to rehab until I admit the error of my thinking?
Go whack some sprouting spring pumpkin with that driver.
[quote=BondGuy][quote=silouette]
I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader.
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You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
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I like talking to smart people. I agree, Jackson and Sharpton have no right, and in the Cosby view sense, they just stand in the way.
As far as usage of "Rev. (racial slur), my point is, it just perpetuates human misery ( in my mind ).
As far as Google is concerned, I prefer to think for myself on this one.
Maybe we should ask some Jewish people for the definitive answer.
You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot.
Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life
Yep, that's the way it works in our Brave New World. Get used to it.
Seriously, how can you argue about something when you don't know the historical reference and refuse to look it up.
[quote=silouette]
You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot.
Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.
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Actually, you've got it wrong. Jackson is not labelled for life. Jackson is a self appointed spokesperson for the black community as well as a professional victim creator.
Using the term Rev Hymietown gives context to just what's happening here. Racist, from a protected class, using race to bring down a non protected class. Jackson gets a free pass on this, when, as a racist, he should have no voice.
As for Sharpton, over the top. This man has blood on his hands and again gets a free pass from the media, the dems, everybody. Racist isn't a big enough word to describe this bigot. Ask the families of those who died at Freddy's Fashion Mart what they think of Rev Al. And I guess we've got to give him time to apologise to the Duke Lacrosse players. And speaking of that situation let's see if the NC AG goes after the lying accuser, a black woman, once he has the white Durham County prosecutor's ass in his briefcase.
The real tragedy here is that these two professional victim makers, who do nothing but peddle outrage, turned the Rutgers Womans Basketball Team into victims. These are smart, strong women, whose shining accomplishment is now lost. They are no longer a Cinderella basketball team that rose from obscurity to national promenance on the hardwood. They are now victims. The revs. Jesse and Al have used them to extract their pounds of flesh. And don't think for a moment that this is over.
As we speak Snoop Dog and music consortium are circling the wagons trying to figure out how to seperate the disconnect between the billion dollar demeaning Hip-Hop culture and the rage over Imus.
Why don't blacks take a stand against other blacks that use the "N" word, etc?
yeah: what about the offensive, vulgar rap music that's on the radio: let's boycott this...unless, it has an exceptional beat.
So I guess it's fine for the white folks to refer to each other as honkys then. Although, it's really shades of "beige" ...when you get down to it.
Imus should have learned after the Michael Richards; Mel Gibson outbursts... Will Michel Richards ever make a comeback? He was so darn funny on Senfeld--wht a shame.
But, hey, there were even penalties over JJackson's boob flash, too.
So if Imus was on Sirus radio as Howard Stern, there would be no repercussions, I suppose. Or would it had been different?
Talk to you frizzey, greyed, bald, dyed, braided, poneytailed haired honkey wholes later.
[quote=silouette]
You’re serious? Google the term and read up.
Mike’s take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice
of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot.
Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.
[/quote]Blather on all you want....
My only question is, if he said that in "semi-private", does that make him "semi-anti-Semitic"?
[quote=silouette]As far as usage of "Rev. (racial slur), my point is, it just perpetuates human misery ( in my mind ). [/quote]
Pointing out Jackson's history doesn't do anything but expose him. Failing to mention his history gives him a legitimacy he doesn't deserve.
[quote=silouette]
Maybe we should ask some Jewish people for the definitive answer.
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Already have.
[quote=silouette]
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life. [/quote]
As he should be. Are you excusing him? Is this why his slur shouldn't be mentioned? It was said in "semi private"? That makes it better?
[quote=silouette]
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot. [/quote]
That makes zero sense.
http://www.slate.com/id/76476/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pagones
http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/13/brawley.verdict.02/
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/page072198.html
Not changing the subject, but more for comparison of the reaction to the demise of Imus. I watch sports 24/7 if possible. I did not hear until this morning that Irwin had been let go by ESPN. No fan fair at all, a few conservative talk shows tried without success to bring up how a Black man can get away with anything I learned after googlin. By the way this happend last November, sorry if this is old news to you.
Michael Irvin Says Tony Romo’s Athleticism Is Due to Black Ancestry (emphasis added)
…
About three and a half minutes into his appearance on the show, Irvin said Romo is a good athlete, then suggested that must mean he has an ancestor who is black.“He doesn’t look like he’s that type of an athlete,” Irvin said of Romo. “But he is. He is, man. I don’t know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don’t know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the ‘hood or something went down.”
Patrick tried to suggest to Irvin that he shouldn’t go there, but Irvin was having none of it, continuing:
“If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn, ‘Come on in here for a second,’ you know, and they go out and work in the yard. You know, back in the day.”
With all of the mixed relationships these days: black/white mixed, heck Halley Berry says she is Black but she is half black: what's the new term: Vanilla/Chocololate: you can then select your own race: Halley could say she's white, too. At least, with this, you will see the disappearance of separation of races: because they are mixing.
Imus has proven himself over the years and now because he has made a mistake, ...here's what is going to happen. These people in the future will probably need to have a SCRIPT to make sure there are no slipups.
Who among us haven't been insulted? Women are constantly insulted in demeaning ways; southern people are called hillbillys...elderly people, you name it. It was a slipup or a mistake: or maybe Imus is guilty of listening to too much hiphop. We all know blacks constantly talk about whites in demeaning terms.
Re: Nappy: this included whites on the team, too.
On the April 4 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team, which is comprised of eight African-American and two white players, as "nappy-headed hos"
Let's address all of the raunchiness in the hiphop music: why doesn't the REv J and Al Sharpton address this!!!!!. They shouldn't play this stuff on the radio or show it on tv. At least CNN is now addressing this.
It's all about Standards or lack thereof.
My only question is, if he said that in "semi-private", does that make him "semi-anti-Semitic"?
Good one, Joe.
I give up. You are all " right ".
[quote=silouette]
Just wtf does that mean?
Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something.
No, not now. I don't see a need for it here, and I played that card once already in the last 24 hours. Actually I thought it was a pretty cool and appropriate metaphor considering I came up with it on the fly. Like jazz improvization, but with words instead.
But,
in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with,
like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you
may be in a minority
Actually
this might be one place where I would agree with you. This
country(and this industry) would be a better place of those of us who
hav been so fortunate would take a moment from deliberating over
whether to purchase the E-Class or the 5-Series to reflect on our
blessings and help those less fortunate.
( most people in the world live in poverty, and
many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop
the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.
Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.
[/quote][quote=silouette]
My only question is, if he said that in “semi-private”, does that make him “semi-anti-Semitic”?
Good one, Joe.
I give up. You are all " right ".
As for being "all 'right'" I can't be sure if that's a dig at my political leanings or a peace pipe being extended.
I do lean on the right side of the political spectrum, although I'm probably more of a libertarian.
Regardless, I appreciate your props for my non-profane, non-juvenile, original pun and an effort to keep the tension from getting too high. I thought it was a pretty good one!
Barack Hussein Obama (born August 4, 1961; IPA pronunciation: [b¨»k ob¨».m]), is the junior United States Senator from Illinois.
What am I supposed to call him?
Imas will do better. He is an old guy who says and does far less then Howard, Jackson or Sharpton. I don’t care for the guy, but what the f… Americans are soft! There are people dieing in other countries and the leaders of IRAN, Hezbola and Al Queda threaten and bomb innocent people. Here a person says “Nappy haired Hos” then the Libs freak out. What a sorry bunch of people.
Like McCain, Imas screwed up by saying I’m sorry to the media.
Why was Sharpton invited to the presidential debates and Nader was not? What is up with the equal rights at Michigan University? What is up with government jobs going to the minority? If its so freaking equal then 11% jobs to blacks and 15% to Hispanics. One makes a comment about blacks in prison then their racist. One makes a comment about spanish not knowing english and their racist. If anything is pissing off the right and conservatives it is the fact we have to live in fear of saying anything politically correct.
Any day of the week I would rather be white then black, but the greatest racists are “Rev” Sharpton and Jackson. They sell and breed hate and racism.
As for being "all 'right'" I can't be sure if that's a dig at my political leanings or a peace pipe being extended.
I like the card metaphor. The hell of it is, it seems one can never run out of chips.
Nappy hos. Classic!
Nothing racist about that. Typical black uprising, and what a double standard!
What a joke! He did not get fired for his comments, he got fired because the company was going to lose money and the NAACP protests. We all have heard worse comments on the air, I actually thought it was funny, obvious it was wrong. As for the players “healing”, you think they are actually at home crying or something? Come on! For all the stuff Charles Barkely says about “white” basketball players, that get shrugged off because there is no protesters and it just gets brushed off. In this day in age, everyone gets attacked in some way in the media, and most of it is in humour to try to get ratings, but for some reason the NAACP takes offense when it involves them and protests, stop being so sensitive and brush it off! Thats my two cents, mooose
[quote=Bobby Hull][quote=vbrainy]
I disagree. Just because others are doing it does not make it right.
His comments were horrible. He should lose his job. There are very few good role models out there, and he makes a nasty comment about these women.
Just think, is there any situation where this would have come out of your mouth? It is wrong.
And Sharpton should go down too.
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You liberals take life way too seriously.
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I am ANYTHING but liberal. I was blessed to be brought up in a hard working, faith filled family. My daddy taught me right from wrong, and he taught me that a real man admits when he is wrong.
Got a feeling that you are a rich kid who never got his hands dirty in his whole life. You feel like you have some type of birth right to everything you have. You think it is ok to denegrate people who you think are lower than you.
Remember, "to whom much has been given, much is expected". Hold yourself to a higher standard. Do what you can to help someone in need. And never disrespect ANYONE, even the boy who shines your shoes. He is a human and has a family too.
If you call that liberal, so be it.
[quote=vbrainy]
I am ANYTHING but liberal. I was blessed to be brought up in a hard working, faith filled family. My daddy taught me right from wrong, and he taught me that a real man admits when he is wrong.
Got a feeling that you are a rich kid who never got his hands dirty in his whole life. You feel like you have some type of birth right to everything you have. You think it is ok to denegrate people who you think are lower than you.
Remember, "to whom much has been given, much is expected". Hold yourself to a higher standard. Do what you can to help someone in need. And never disrespect ANYONE, even the boy who shines your shoes. He is a human and has a family too.
If you call that liberal, so be it.
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V, remember these words:
BondGuy is full of it and he is a liar. There is no way he made those numbers.
You said this about a person who was offering help to a rookie. A person you know nothing about. Apparently you were blown away over all of 154k of production.
So, a question: How does calling someone you don't know a liar fit with "never disrespect ANYONE, even the boy who shines your shoes?
There seems to be a disconnect between your beliefs and your actions. I could say you are the one who is full of it, but I'll just stick with practice what you preach.
BTW, if you want to let me in on what I said to get on your wrong side PM me. We'll settle this off the board.
[quote=BondGuy]
So, a question: How does calling someone you
don’t know a liar fit with "never disrespect ANYONE, even the
boy who shines your shoes?
There seems to be a disconnect between your beliefs and your actions. I could say you are the one who is full of it, but I'll just stick with practice what you preach.
[/quote]BG- one of my old favorite sayings comes to mind....
"Your actions speak so loudly I can't hear a word you say...."
Those were memorable words, and it is never too late to apologize.
I normally just read, but I had to add my 2 cents.
Don Imus brought Al Sharpton into this by asking Al to come on his show. I think that Imus knew that if he could be seen as being attacked by Al or Jessie that some people would see him in a more sympathetic light.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not Black leaders. There's no such thing as a Black leader as there is no election for one. The reason they are always offering comment is because the media always goes to them for comment. It was the National Assoc of Black Journalists and mediamatters.com that initially pushed CBS & MSNBC on this. If the media would stop being lazy and develop more contacts in the African American community you would hear more voices. There are a wide range of academics, activist, politicians and people who could've offered their thoughts. The head of NBC News seemed sincere when he said that it was outrage from NBC employees that led him to make his decision, not Al & Jessie.
Jessie and Al have no sway among the large majority of Blacks. Operation PUSH is based in Chicago which is over 30% Black, it would be a miracle if over 100 people showed up for PUSH's weekly Staurday meeting. If Al Sharpton had any pull he would've received more Black votes when he ran for president. He did not get a majority of the Black vote in any state. In response to someone's question Sharpton was in the democratic primary debates and Nader wasn't because Nader's not a democrat.
Finally, I am no fan of either man, but they have been very vocal for years over the need to clean up entertainment. You haven't heard much about because you probably only get your news on "the Black community" from the mainstream media. And which major media outlet, all of whom own a music or entertainment division and therefore sell hip hop music, do you think is going to let you know that Blacks have been complaining about their product?
Imus' show was ignorance by proxy. He said dirty things for his listeners which they could enjoy, without having to take the blame. Commercial hip hop is also ignorance by proxy. It's selling a lifestyle that is part pimp and part gangster and all fantasy to people who would like to pretend they live that way.
I could do without the ignorance of both.
Thanks for the thoughtful post and insight, champ.
It seems like the media, in going to Sharpton and Jackson, is just engineering entertainment. Certainly, the media cannot be accused of conducting good journalism. Maybe that could be called " liberal bias engineered news entertainment."
Some of the shows like Hannity and O'Reilly have the elements. How can we otherwise explain their obsession with Ann Nicole, or more emotional manufactured issues? In part, just pandering to a different bias.
So we have a solid reasonable core at the political center, black, white and the whole spectrum, but you can't generate interest and adrenalin unless you know energy off to the right or left, and this is a function of advertising dollars.
With regards to Imus and hip hop, like someone said, " America wants a double standard. " This double standard is entertaining.
I think the only solution,
If the media would stop being lazy and develop more contacts in the African American community you would hear more voices. There are a wide range of academics, activist, politicians and people who could've offered their thoughts.
is to hope for the further fragmentation of the media, so that folk finally start to think for themselves. In fact, the public discussion following Imus exposes Jesse exposes Al ... just works to further fragment the newsertainment in industry. That's why I think we can rely on the free market, if we are patient, to expose the cultural totalitarianism of hip hop. Or maybe the color of money is too strong.
Don't pity Imus - he's been a jerk for years, a pure idiot. It's all about the dollars. He will be back on the air in a year - after he's written his book - and richer than ever. Jessie and Bro. Al will be expecting some donations from CNBC, CBS etc. to their "organizations" to make up for all the hurt. For Jessie and Al it's just another way to squeeze money out of the "man". Moral outrage from for money.
The people with class are the young women from Rutgers and their coach.
well put. The young women have class, and all the rest is just different forms of taxation.
Those women or their coach don't have class because they didn't accept his apology. Geeze: if he admits he is wrong, says he is sorry says he wants to apologize: least they can do is accept his apology.
It's not fair that someone's career is over from a mistake especially if they express remorse.
We must learn to FORGIVE. So, no, they don't have any class. If they are still harboring resentment towards IMUS, this is a huge mistake. The coach should have encouraged them to forgive him for his mistake.
And how about that nasty hiphop with the black women shaking their bare butts in these videos: Rev J and Al Sharp: let's get busy and address this. At least Bill Cosby has spoken the truth and wants better standards.
We must learn to FORGIVE. So, no, they don't have any class. If they are still harboring resentment towards IMUS, this is a huge mistake.
Absolutely true. I did not know they did not accept. The other day it was all about the process and elevating consciousness for everyone, so Imus has no way out except commercial rebirth? The Tao, Christ, Buddha - these presented long ago, and are real and now, but the human condition persists.
I like your term, " mistake ".
We should’ve picked our own damned cotton.
Good one, secular Bobby.
goforbroke, where are you getting your news? They accepted his apology yesterday afternoon and no one has to accept an apology. If I called your wife or daughter a ho would I then just be able to say I’m sorry and have you accept it? Never let the facts get in the way of a good mad on.
bobby hull, you have no idea how right you are.
Does anyone actually believe that the firing of Don Imus was anything
other than a business decision? GM decided to pull their ads because
they feared that Imus’ remark would hurt car sales, and not due to their
moral outrage at the ‘hurtful racist remarks’. Be clear about something
here…these companies would come out in favor of cancer if they thought
it would increase market share.
As to the Rutgers girls, one of them has come out and said that she’s
been scarred for life by Imus’ comment, so it would appear that at least
one of them is as least as disingenuous as the business interests on the
other side.
For the record, I remember listening to Imus In The Morning on WABC
radio 77 in the early 1970s. I thought he was a jerk then, and over the
years nothing has happened that changed that opinion. I wish he hadn’t
said what he did, but he did say it. I think we’re a strong enough people
to move on to more important issues.
Does anyone actually believe that the firing of Don Imus was anything other than a business decision
It was a business decision based on extortion by racist shakedown artists who are selectively outraged. It would be a real business decision if anyone had taken the time to let the market work. If people refused to turn in to the station or refused to buy the products advertised. They didn't give it any time. They caved into extortion, threats and political correctness gone amok.
The rush to condemn and punish was just as bad as that in the case of the Duke players which is also a racially motivated hit job.
The hypocrisy of both situations stinks.
Babs, good point. When Imus re-emerges somewhere else, he will be
paid more and have a broader audience. Sick, but true.
[quote=Broker24]Babs, good point. When Imus re-emerges somewhere else, he will be
paid more and have a broader audience. Sick, but true.[/quote]
I'll listen to him. Until now, I just thought that he was some democrat loving idiot. I didn't realize that he was funny enough to crack jokes about NHH's.
Babbling Looney, Imus called Al Sharpton not the other way around. It was mediamatters.com & the NABJ that initially pressed the case for Imus to be fired and the president of NBC News said he was most affected by the opinions of NBC employees like Al Roker and Keith Olberman. Once again, never let the facts get in the way of a good mad on.
Well, perhaps I misunderstood re: apology; thought I heard (on CNN) they didn't accept it.
If I were a man and someone called my wife and daughter a ho: and later apologized, I would make it clear to not do it again and would accept their apology.
As far as blacks go, it was blacks who sold their own to the whites. But let's not be prejudiced: I like black people and they've contributed alot to this country. But as I mentioned, there is a double standard with the rap music and videos.
One team member said they were scarred for life?? -- give me a break! This is too much. They obviously need therapy if they can't handle a little comment like that. I mean: if you're hair is nappy as even blacks describe it themselves; and you know you are NOT a ho: why be insulted: they need a little assertiveness training or maybe Dr. Phil needs to talk to them. You can't let someone mentally hurt you without your permission.
IMUS is in his 60's; doesn't really need to work: his wife doesn't seem to be too supportive of him but they probably both agreed what she would say.
[quote=goforbroke]
Well, perhaps I misunderstood re: apology; thought I heard (on CNN) they didn't accept it.
If I were a man and someone called my wife and daughter a ho: and later apologized, I would make it clear to not do it again and would accept their apology.
As far as blacks go, it was blacks who sold their own to the whites. But let's not be prejudiced: I like black people and they've contributed alot to this country. But as I mentioned, there is a double standard with the rap music and videos.
One team member said they were scarred for life?? -- give me a break! This is too much. They obviously need therapy if they can't handle a little comment like that. I mean: if you're hair is nappy as even blacks describe it themselves; and you know you are NOT a ho: why be insulted: they need a little assertiveness training or maybe Dr. Phil needs to talk to them. You can't let someone mentally hurt you without your permission.
IMUS is in his 60's; doesn't really need to work: his wife doesn't seem to be too supportive of him but they probably both agreed what she would say.
[/quote]
Just for kicks, let's pretend that we could remove all of their contributions to society. Would we notice the difference? What if we netted their contributions TO society against their distributions FROM society? Let's be real.
[quote=Bobby Hull][quote=goforbroke]
Well, perhaps I misunderstood re: apology; thought I heard (on CNN) they didn't accept it.
If I were a man and someone called my wife and daughter a ho: and later apologized, I would make it clear to not do it again and would accept their apology.
As far as blacks go, it was blacks who sold their own to the whites. But let's not be prejudiced: I like black people and they've contributed alot to this country. But as I mentioned, there is a double standard with the rap music and videos.
One team member said they were scarred for life?? -- give me a break! This is too much. They obviously need therapy if they can't handle a little comment like that. I mean: if you're hair is nappy as even blacks describe it themselves; and you know you are NOT a ho: why be insulted: they need a little assertiveness training or maybe Dr. Phil needs to talk to them. You can't let someone mentally hurt you without your permission.
IMUS is in his 60's; doesn't really need to work: his wife doesn't seem to be too supportive of him but they probably both agreed what she would say.
[/quote]
Just for kicks, let's pretend that we could remove all of their contributions to society. Would we notice the difference? What if we netted their contributions TO society against their distributions FROM society? Let's be real.
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The both of you are repugnant!
You need to find your internal "Jimminy Cricket" and dial them up severalteen notches!
[quote=Whomitmayconcer][quote=Bobby Hull][quote=goforbroke]
Well, perhaps I misunderstood re: apology; thought I heard (on CNN) they didn't accept it.
If I were a man and someone called my wife and daughter a ho: and later apologized, I would make it clear to not do it again and would accept their apology.
As far as blacks go, it was blacks who sold their own to the whites. But let's not be prejudiced: I like black people and they've contributed alot to this country. But as I mentioned, there is a double standard with the rap music and videos.
One team member said they were scarred for life?? -- give me a break! This is too much. They obviously need therapy if they can't handle a little comment like that. I mean: if you're hair is nappy as even blacks describe it themselves; and you know you are NOT a ho: why be insulted: they need a little assertiveness training or maybe Dr. Phil needs to talk to them. You can't let someone mentally hurt you without your permission.
IMUS is in his 60's; doesn't really need to work: his wife doesn't seem to be too supportive of him but they probably both agreed what she would say.
[/quote]
Just for kicks, let's pretend that we could remove all of their contributions to society. Would we notice the difference? What if we netted their contributions TO society against their distributions FROM society? Let's be real.
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The both of you are repugnant!
You need to find your internal "Jimminy Cricket" and dial them up severalteen notches!
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That's just what I would say if I didn't have the guts to give an honest answer to my questions.
The number of pages it would take to bring you up to speed before I could even begin to explain to you why your questions are repugnant not to mention erroneous is daunting.
It's something that your parents should have told you as you were growing up.
My participation in this thread is over. I won't help to give you a platform from which to spew your vomituration (and that goes for you too Babbling Looney!) You should all be ashamed of yourselves! You are as disgusting, in your impotent way, as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (at least they were able to rise above being mealy mouthed pablum pukers on some anonymous web chatboard).
[quote=Whomitmayconcer]
The number of pages it would take to bring you up to speed before I could even begin to explain to you why your questions are repugnant not to mention erroneous is daunting.
It's something that your parents should have told you as you were growing up.
My participation in this thread is over. I won't help to give you a platform from which to spew your vomituration (and that goes for you too Babbling Looney!) You should all be ashamed of yourselves! You are as disgusting, in your impotent way, as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (at least they were able to rise above being mealy mouthed pablum pukers on some anonymous web chatboard).
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No guts.
[quote=champ]Babbling Looney, Imus called Al Sharpton not the other way around. It was mediamatters.com & the NABJ that initially pressed the case for Imus to be fired and the president of NBC News said he was most affected by the opinions of NBC employees like Al Roker and Keith Olberman. Once again, never let the facts get in the way of a good mad on. [/quote]
I don't like what Imus had to say about the girls BB team and agree that he is a repugnant idiot and I have never understood the appeal of his scthick. However, the likes of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton who are professional victims and personally profit from creating racial divisions and making mountains out of molehills.
They take every opportunity to make things worse instead of better. Al Sharpton has a history of rushing to any opportunity, like the Twana Brawley case, to inflame racial tensions and make himself the center of the story . Jessie Jackson is a professional shake down artist who lines his own pockets and that of his family by throwing down the race card and whipping himself and others into a froth of indignation. Remember the GE shakedown by Jackson? Neither one of these gentlemen (and I use the term loosely) have any standing to discuss other peoples perceived racism, when they have proved themselves to be racists themselves.
Hymietown anyone? Duke LaCross players "Jesse Jackson, who, in an act of sympathy, publicly condemned the athletes and offered a scholarship to the woman as a show of support for her victicrat status." " Al and Jessie were quick to rush to North Carolina to hold protests and vilify the LaCrosse players, ruin their reputations, have them kicked out of school, lose their jobs.....all the time they have been proven innocent. They did this on purpose and with malice, yet they refuse to apologize as they demanded of Imus and has he has done.
Only white people have to apologize and grovel for offensive (and I agree it was offensive) remarks, while racists like Sharpton and Jackson can organize protests, boycotts, ruin and put the screws to corporate America to advance their own personal agendas.
Reverse racism and hypocrisy rule the day along with political correctness gone amok.
Keith Olberman!! Puleeze. There's some one with no agenda.
[quote=champ]Babbling Looney, Imus called Al Sharpton not the other way around. It was mediamatters.com & the NABJ that initially pressed the case for Imus to be fired and the president of NBC News said he was most affected by the opinions of NBC employees like Al Roker and Keith Olberman. Once again, never let the facts get in the way of a good mad on. [/quote]
Speaking of the facts getting in the way of a good mad on where's Sharton's apology to the Duke Lacrosse players? Or for that matter the families of the Freddy Fashion Mart victims? Al is a racist outrage peddler who deserves no stage. He trades in manufactured insult. Read up on Freddy's Fashion Mart and then come back to this forum and defend this man. Here, I'll get you started: Apparently, in that situation it was Ok to leave out the fact that the reason the jewish landlord raised the rent to his black subtenant was the Black church who owned the building raised his rent. Al didn't publicize the fact that the jewish tenant, whose rent had been raise by the black church, was only responding in kind to this rent increase making a sound and necessary business decision to raise the rent of his subtenants. Al made it about race and only race and left out the Black church's roll in the situation. Sharpton twisted it to the jew was trying to push the brother out. The neighborhood led by Sharton's professional outrage mongers bought it hook line and sinker. Sharpton, as part of the protest chanted that "This Block will burn" and it did. It only cost seven people their lives. Rev Al walked away saying he couldn't control everyone.
CBS, NBC, and all the sponsors are hypocrits. CBS and NBC owned radio stations and television stations are playing songs like Ludacris "Ho" or Afroman's "Crazyrap" and songs of that ilk that are much more degrading to black woman than anything Imus said. Yet strangely Roker and Olberman are Ok with that. The sponsors still advertise on MTV, VH1, and the hip-hop radio stations which trade in this degrading music. Where's the outrage?
Lyrics like "Piss on a Ho" are OK, no Sharpton, no outrage. Yet Imus is racially insensative. If that's not a double standard nothing is.
For people like champ who have short memories or perhaps were still in elementry school, here is some historical perspective on the likes of Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. The pots are calling the kettle black, and NO that isn't a racist remark. Google that one too.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment090701.sh tml
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110003919 Where in Jessie shakes down the NASCAR "Crackers"
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50777
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/arti cles/2003/11/09/the_race_baiter_in_the_campaign/
Of course none of this excuses Imus. But come on people, we need a little perspective. Oh and by the way, that white guilt race card doesn't work on me. When blacks were slaves in this country, one set of my ancestors were working in coal mines in Wales and being kicked off of their land by the British in Ireland and forced to work as indentured servants (read that as white slaves). The other set were Quakers or fought on the side of the north to free the slaves. I'm not sure what the Basque line was doing at the time, but I bet you it wasn't owning slaves. I have no white guilt about slavery.
It's time that people quit listening to the victim and race mongers like Sharpton and Jackson and started taking responsibility for their own lives. Whining about things that happened hundreds of years ago doesn't help to change things now. If you get all fluffy about some old white radio guy calling black women "Ho's", then I suggest you do something about your own people who perpetuate the term and worse in popular music.
[quote=babbling looney]
[quote=champ]Babbling Looney, Imus called Al Sharpton not the other way around. It was mediamatters.com & the NABJ that initially pressed the case for Imus to be fired and the president of NBC News said he was most affected by the opinions of NBC employees like Al Roker and Keith Olberman. Once again, never let the facts get in the way of a good mad on. [/quote]
I don't like what Imus had to say about the girls BB team and agree that he is a repugnant idiot and I have never understood the appeal of his scthick. However, the likes of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton who are professional victims and personally profit from creating racial divisions and making mountains out of molehills.
They take every opportunity to make things worse instead of better. Al Sharpton has a history of rushing to any opportunity, like the Twana Brawley case, to inflame racial tensions and make himself the center of the story . Jessie Jackson is a professional shake down artist who lines his own pockets and that of his family by throwing down the race card and whipping himself and others into a froth of indignation. Remember the GE shakedown by Jackson? Neither one of these gentlemen (and I use the term loosely) have any standing to discuss other peoples perceived racism, when they have proved themselves to be racists themselves.
Hymietown anyone? Duke LaCross players "Jesse Jackson, who, in an act of sympathy, publicly condemned the athletes and offered a scholarship to the woman as a show of support for her victicrat status." " Al and Jessie were quick to rush to North Carolina to hold protests and vilify the LaCrosse players, ruin their reputations, have them kicked out of school, lose their jobs.....all the time they have been proven innocent. They did this on purpose and with malice, yet they refuse to apologize as they demanded of Imus and has he has done.
Only white people have to apologize and grovel for offensive (and I agree it was offensive) remarks, while racists like Sharpton and Jackson can organize protests, boycotts, ruin and put the screws to corporate America to advance their own personal agendas.
Reverse racism and hypocrisy rule the day along with political correctness gone amok.
Keith Olberman!! Puleeze. There's some one with no agenda.
[/quote]
You hit the nail on the head with these comments. Very true.
Unfortunately, the hiphop is about the money, too...so the consumers of these cd's and music videos apparently like this. Seems the parents would boycott this stuff off the market; of course, some of the music is censored--why not the videos that go with them. Apparently if movies with flesh can be aired on tv; so can the videos.
At least the media is pointing out the double standard. You won't see any more whitees making these errors in judgment again - or will be few and far between. It's ok for the blacks to call themselves the "n" word and they use this term in their songs; black comedians use this term in their jokes; but honkey, white-trash, don't be singing along with the song and uttering those words yourself ...or you might find yourself out of a job.
Bill Cosby seems to be the voice of reasoning in the wilderness: when will the blacks pay attention and listen to him.
The both of you are repugnant!
You need to find your internal "Jimminy Cricket" and dial them up severalteen notches!
Beg your pardon!!!! Don't put me in this category. There is nothing wrong with what I've said on this thread: so don't label me.
To recap what I said:
Yes, there is a double standard. News reports are now pointing this out.
Black people can refer to themselves in denegrading terms but no one says anything to them (this is ok to do).
If the girls didn't accept his apology, they should forgive him and accept it.
If someone is "scarred for live" over words, "nappy headed ho" then they have far worse problems and need therapy.
Blacks have made a lot of contributions to this country and they weren't illegal immigrants: their own sold them to whites to transport to this country to be used as slaves.
I agree with Babs about Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson: they have a double standard, too.
My jimmy cricket (conscience) is in good working order...thank you very much!
If babs had read my post you would've read that I said that I'm no fan of Al & Jesse and that I stated that Al & Jesse hold no sway in the Black community. Can you name me the last boycott either of them spearheaded that actually hurt coprate profits? The existence of Al & Jesse is the fault of white people and the media. If some of you took the time to get to know more Black people on an intimate level you would learn that very few people care what either of them think. It's up to you to rabble rouse and ask your media outlets for more diversity in who you hear from. Since Blacks don't own any media outlets, except for Radio One, we can't dictate who is heard. You should write a letter to someone, don't complain to me that your media outlets are too lazy to find other sources. Are you too lazy to write a letter or do you not have time to get to know people who are different from you.
But at the same time, why do you allow Imus to play you like a piano? He called Al. Imus is not stupid. He knew that if he got Al involved some people would automatically pull for him. Imus went 38 years without having Al Sharpton on his show, but now he sees value in talking to Al Sharpton, please don't insult my intelligence.
If everyone on every blog that I've seen in the last week took one minute to write their local media outlets and ask for some diversity in representation it just might happen and you'd never have to see them again.
And finally, both Al & Jesse have been very vocal in speaking out against the language of commercial hip hop. Essence magazine has been on the leading edge and some historically black colleges have cancelled appearances by rappers whom they felt were offensive. It's not anyone's fault, but yours that you get information from sources that have not covered these events. Hell, once a year CSPAN covers an all day discussion called the State of Black America and all types of people with all types of views are heard.
Personally, I don't need an apology from anyone for anything and I'm insulted that people keep trying to make me responsible for two people. Hell, Bill Clinton was President and half the country wanted nothing to do with him. Why does Black America have to have two people thrust on us, when no other community has spokespeople?
[quote=champ]
Why does Black America have to have two people thrust on us, when no other community has spokespeople?
[/quote]
My guess is it's because they both have enough support in the balck community to justify it and people like you who say they have no support there are either few and far between or silent.
Kudos for Oprah Winfrey: she’s done a Town Hall on her show addressing the double standard; a former exec of black magazine said Snoop dog and others should lose their job, too, if they can’t raise their standards. (Wow, I would have posted less but that SOB Bobby encouraged me to just post more today.
forgot to mention: new name for Bobby.
Bobby N. Ho.
quote from B. "prejudiced" H:
"Just for kicks, let's pretend that we could remove all of their contributions to society. Would we notice the difference? What if we netted their contributions TO society against their distributions FROM society? Let's be real. "
and Bobby H said: "we should have picked our own cotton."
He (BH) should apologize or get fired from this board.
(Joe, don't blame you for not wanting anyone to mistake you for him.)
[quote=goforbroke]
quote from B. "prejudiced" H:
"Just for kicks, let's pretend that we could remove all of their contributions to society. Would we notice the difference? What if we netted their contributions TO society against their distributions FROM society? Let's be real. "
and Bobby H said: "we should have picked our own cotton."
He (BH) should apologize or get fired from this board.
(Joe, don't blame you for not wanting anyone to mistake you for him.)
[/quote]
Did your parents have any other abortions that survived or are you the only one?
You’ve got alot of these insults upyoursleeve don’t you: no wonder everyone considers you the site troll clown. I’m really glad jodabrkr isn’t you.
[quote=goforbroke]You've got alot of these insults upyoursleeve don't you: no wonder everyone considers you the site troll clown. I'm really glad jodabrkr isn't you.[/quote]
Yep.
Interesting fwd: re: black history. ck it out when convenient.
warning: religous overtones.
Do a google search on:
Heather Mills "Jimmy Kimmel"
and you'll see that she was scheduled to be on Jimmy Kimmel Show and didn't show.
He proceeded to make lots of jokes about her leg.
This should be another IMUS: making fun of people with one leg.
http://www.mypartypost.com/watchflashbig/5019/Jimmy_Kimmel-_ Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off
Another double standard: how some can get away with it and
some can't.
oh excuse me: The mobsters don't want me posting here. Ask me if I care.
NOTE:
(hmmm, let me see: this same post could have been done by someone else and been accepted but since I posted it, the mobsters will attack; they now want to give parachute the boot. No one answered my questions about entering this field; nothing but nastiness is all the mobsters yield.)
I hope they require you to show proof you are a registered rep and give your real names and where you work and clients (everyone) will have read access. Would some clients walk and take their business elsewhere? (I know I would!)
What’s your point, paracchute?
No one answered my questions about entering this field; nothing but nastiness is all the mobsters yield.)
I hope they require you to show proof you are a registered rep and give your real names and where you work and clients (everyone) will have read access. Would some clients walk and take their business elsewhere? (I know I would!)
I don't believe I've ever seen a post where you asked an actual question or a post where you posted something relevant to this board. Maybe I missed it, but if it was there it has been covered by all the drivel and spittle you spew.
My clients like me just the way I am, which is just how I post on this forum. Thanks for your concern.
[quote=babbling looney]
Maybe I missed it, but if it was there it has been covered by all the drivel and spittle you spew.
[/quote]
Classic babs!! Take a bow!
[quote=Philo Kvetch]What's your point, paracchute?[/quote]
Thank you for asking. Seems Jimmy needs to catch some heat for making fun of Heather Mills: insulting handicapped people.
How can some get away with this; other's can't? Double standard.
[quote=babbling looney]No one answered my questions about entering this field; nothing but nastiness is all the mobsters yield.)
I hope they require you to show proof you are a registered rep and give your real names and where you work and clients (everyone) will have read access. Would some clients walk and take their business elsewhere? (I know I would!)
My clients don't care that I'm a mobster: my clients are mobsters, too.
I don't believe I've ever seen a post where you ever answered an actual question, Babs, (Bobbie Hall, Jr. (apprentice)) or really tried to help someone without being sarcastic. Maybe I missed it, but Babbles, your narcistic drivel seems to be all spit and sh*t.
Babs says "My clients like me just the way I am, (they have lower standards, too--that's why they picked me."
[/quote]
And if someone is handicapped we can’t insult them? What about the non-
physically handicapped? The mentally infirm (like goforbroke, for example)?
And who is ‘Jimmy’?
Do a google search on:
Heather Mills "Jimmy Kimmel"
and you'll see that she was scheduled to be on Jimmy Kimmel Show and didn't show.
He proceeded to make lots of jokes about her leg.
This should be another IMUS: making fun of people with one leg.
http://www.mypartypost.com/watchflashbig/5019/Jimmy_Kimmel-_ Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off
Another double standard: how some can get away with it and
some can't.
[quote=babbling looney]No one answered my questions about entering this field; nothing but nastiness is all the mobsters yield.)
I hope they require you to show proof you are a registered rep and give your real names and where you work and clients (everyone) will have read access. Would some clients walk and take their business elsewhere? (I know I would!)
I don't believe I've ever seen a post where you asked an actual question or a post where you posted something relevant to this board. Maybe I missed it, but if it was there it has been covered by all the drivel and spittle you spew.
My clients like me just the way I am, which is just how I post on this forum. Thanks for your concern.
[/quote]
Put your money where your big mouth is.
Tell your clients who you are now. Go ahead and do it.
Let the moderators know that you want to list your real info and I'm sure they will make it a closed site and limit FREE speech just as you want.
Hmmm, just as I thought; didn't think so.
There is nothing wrong with making fun of people who are missing limbs. It’s been going on since the caveman days.
Let the moderators know that you want to list your real info and I'm sure they will make it a closed site and limit FREE speech just as you want.
We post anonymously because the NASD rules and the rules of some of our broker dealers prohibit it. We also do not give investment advice on the internet. There, I just gave you some real information. Try to do something with it.
[quote=parachute]
Do a google search on:
Heather Mills “Jimmy Kimmel"
and you’ll see that she was scheduled to be on Jimmy Kimmel Show and
didn’t show.
He proceeded to make lots of jokes about her leg.
This should be another IMUS: making fun of people with one leg.
<a href=“http://www.mypartypost.com/watchflashbig/5019/
<br / target=”_blank”>Jimmy_Kimmel-Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off">http://
www.mypartypost.com/watchflashbig/5019/Jimmy_Kimmel-
Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off
Another double standard: how some can get away with it and
some can’t.
[/quote]MMMM…Try as I might, I just don’t sem to care.
Thanks anyway!
[quote=Philo Kvetch] [quote=parachute]
Do a google search on:
Heather Mills "Jimmy Kimmel"
and you'll see that she was scheduled to be on Jimmy Kimmel Show and
didn't show.
He proceeded to make lots of jokes about her leg.
This should be another IMUS: making fun of people with one leg.
Jimmy_Kimmel-_Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off">http://
www.mypartypost.com/watchflashbig/5019/Jimmy_Kimmel-_
Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off
Another double standard: how some can get away with it and
some can't.
[/quote]
MMMM....Try as I might, I just don't sem to care.
Thanks anyway![/quote]
You crack me up, my friend.
Thanks, Bud!
Tell me something…Am I a Neandrethal because I don’t care? Or is all this a
bunch of mealy-mouthed, liberal hooey?
[quote=Philo Kvetch]Thanks, Bud!
Tell me something...Am I a Neandrethal because I don't care? Or is all this a
bunch of mealy-mouthed, liberal hooey?[/quote]
I'm probably not the most qualified guy to be answering questions about caring.
[quote=parachute]
Do a google search on:
Heather Mills "Jimmy Kimmel"
and you'll see that she was scheduled to be on Jimmy Kimmel Show and didn't show.
He proceeded to make lots of jokes about her leg.
This should be another IMUS: making fun of people with one leg.
http://www.mypartypost.com/watchflashbig/5019/Jimmy_Kimmel-_ Heather_Mills_Leg_Falls_Off
Another double standard: how some can get away with it and
some can't.
[/quote]How about because Heather Mills was making fun of her fake leg on her own already. When she was interviewed before "Dancing with the Stars" she did a whole riff about how it would be embarassing and funny if her leg flew off in the middle of a dance number.
Get your facts straight before you start throwing around accusations, moron!
you don't have a leg to stand on; parachute, you need to spell it out for him I guess.
`````BUMP`````` - CYBER BULLY!
[quote=goforbroke]
you don't have a leg to stand on; parachute, you need to spell it out for him I guess.
`````BUMP`````` - CYBER BULLY!
[/quote]
I thought you were dead.
*&^%$#@@@@(***** CYBER BULLY((((%%%$$#@!$%
You should be banned from using the Internet. You are a danger to society!
Seek help!
They will have to ban me or you will have to try to murder me, too before I'll allow you to bully me from this site.
GET LOST you sick sick, evil person you. Poor joe being accused of being you - it can't be true.
I do have a comeback for joedaberkr but interesting that
bobby hall responded. Are they really the same: Bobby Hall sticks very close to Joedabrkr (are they gay lovers?) Surely, these two posters can't be the same. Joedabrkr's posts are fairly professional - he just can't be the same person: if so, Wow! does he ever have a dark side.
here's my response:
Blacks can accept other blacks (especially comedians) using the "N" word and I don't mean "nappy" -- the correlation here is that she is handicapped and can might light of it herself but no one else should. Jimmy K. did an "IMUS".
I like his show -- he also crossed the line when he did a spoof on Oprah when he had the manshow (surprised he got away with it.)
Philo: what a stupid thing to do: asked me a question and I responded: you just made yourself look like a stooge.
Wow! This narcistic posting is growing on me: I just love all of the attention from the cyber bullies. As prato man said before: ignore and she will go away. Try it.
oh, babs if NASD doesn't allow you to post then it's you who should be here.
I'm not going anywhere. We'll let the moderators ban me and you mobsters if that's what you want.
Joe can't be this sickee but why does Bobby Hall stick so close to Joey's backside: are they butt butties, vacation at brokebackmtn. I don't get it. Joey isn't a bad guy but ...say it isn't so!
[quote=parachute]
I do have a comeback for joedaberkr but interesting that
bobby hall responded. Are they really the same: Bobby Hall sticks very close to Joedabrkr (are they gay lovers?) Surely, these two posters can't be the same. Joedabrkr's posts are fairly professional - he just can't be the same person: if so, Wow! does he ever have a dark side.
[/quote]It's comforting to know that even a multiple-personality dimwit such as yourself can tell that BH and I are NOT the same. I am glad to see that you eventually figured that out.
In case you hadn't noticed, Bobby responds to ALL of your posts.
I, on the other hand, do not want to encourage you any longer, and have more important(and enjoyable) things to do than to engage in any further debate with you.
After all, it's virtually impossible to win an argument with a moron.
oh, babs if NASD doesn't allow you to post then it's you who should be here.
I'm going to give you an actual answer. The NASD does not let us post under our real names on bulletin boards or any other website unless it has been pre-approved by compliance. Emails that we send to clients and prospects must be approved by compliance. Letters we send out also must be approved first. This is to make sure that any claims about investments or other products are true. It is also to make sure that we are not giving advice to someone who is not in the State(s) we are registered in.
This is why we don't give investment advice on the internet. We are careful here to only discuss generalities and investment strategies without recommending products. This is also why we post anonymously here. As an anonymous poster, we are protecting ourselves and our firms. It has nothing to do with hiding. We are a highly regulated profession. There are a lot of questions that NON registered people ask on this forum that we just cannot and will not answer.
Plus as an anonymous poster, as YOU well know, we can tend to be a bit obnoxious. In your case a lot obnoxious.
[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=parachute]
I do have a comeback for joedaberkr but interesting that
bobby hall responded. Are they really the same: Bobby Hall sticks very close to Joedabrkr (are they gay lovers?) Surely, these two posters can't be the same. Joedabrkr's posts are fairly professional - he just can't be the same person: if so, Wow! does he ever have a dark side.
[/quote]
It's comforting to know that even a multiple-personality dimwit such as yourself can tell that BH and I are NOT the same. I am glad to see that you eventually figured that out.
In case you hadn't noticed, Bobby responds to ALL of your posts.
I, on the other hand, do not want to encourage you any longer, and have more important(and enjoyable) things to do than to engage in any further debate with you.
After all, it's virtually impossible to win an argument with a moron.
[/quote]
Joe, never argue with a pig...it just frustrates you and annoys the pig. (Rather appropriate give your correspondent, wouldn't you say?)
cybully bump!!!!
Thank you Joe for clearing up that you are NOT Bobby Hall.
My faith in humanity is almost restored. However, he does like to stay close to your behind so use caution there...don't bend over in
the shower.
[quote=Starka][quote=joedabrkr] [quote=parachute]
I do have a comeback for joedaberkr but interesting that
bobby hall responded. Are they really the same: Bobby Hall sticks very close to Joedabrkr (are they gay lovers?) Surely, these two posters can't be the same. Joedabrkr's posts are fairly professional - he just can't be the same person: if so, Wow! does he ever have a dark side.
[/quote]
It's comforting to know that even a multiple-personality dimwit such as yourself can tell that BH and I are NOT the same. I am glad to see that you eventually figured that out.
In case you hadn't noticed, Bobby responds to ALL of your posts.
I, on the other hand, do not want to encourage you any longer, and have more important(and enjoyable) things to do than to engage in any further debate with you.
After all, it's virtually impossible to win an argument with a moron.
[/quote]
Joe, never argue with a pig...it just frustrates you and annoys the pig. (Rather appropriate give your correspondent, wouldn't you say?)
[/quote]We're basically saying the same thing....your way was just a lot funnier!
By the way, did you notice bab's new tagline? I love it!
Obviously, if you have no comeback for how J.Kimmel shouldn't have made fun of handicapped people then go ahead and just attack me
if you think that makes you feel superior.
Bashing and getting off the topic is rude, Dudes.
Bye Bye now; try to talk about the topic instead of me but it's obvious you are all obsessed with me. Don't you people have any clients or a more productive way to spend your time.
If you want to see less of me, stop the bashing/trashing and cyberbullying.
As whomit said about joe, he seems to get off on being a bully. I'll have to look for that post and repost it: he hit the nail on the head in describing him; too bad he has to stir up the bashing.
bash and trash: you just make yourselves look like the lowlife unprofessionals you are.
Parachute,
poster too tough to die (maybe Joe can stir up his angry mobster gang to hunt me down and kill: me he seems to really hate me...too bad he has to be this type of person: a regular sh*t stirrer.
[quote=Whomitmayconcer]
Joe,
Not for nothing, but, you know what? YOU are IMHO one of the worst offenders.
You jump in on every fight and add your snark. You perpetuate the bickering at almost every opportunity.
[/quote]
Encouraging a whole new crop of cyber bullies who want to join join in since they want to join Joe's gang (and/or be butt butties...vacation on broke back mountin.)
quit being a troublemakr: joedabrkr.
Moderators: Just trying to point out that order should be restored. Others should post here without the mobsters attacking, stalking, cyberbullying.
BEST thing to do is to IGNORE someone who you would like to leave the site (but it doesn't make me leave; neither does your cyber bullying...you will see less of me. But I"ll leave when I'm ready. I have bashed/bullied/trashed or mistreated anyone.
Your fellow broker, whomit, has called you on your behavior, joedabrkr and yet you continue to bash/trash/and encourage cybullying. Stop your evil ways. Ignore and don't feed the troll. If I have something to post, I'll still post, though
Face it: you mobsters don't control the board.
Focus on your clients (if you have any!) and less time on people who post on the board. Spending time shouting/trashing/bullying/stalking really is a bad habit and not a very productive use of your time; besides you are making your profession look bad, too.
Glad I could help.
"I have bashed/bullied/trashed or mistreated anyone. "
ooops:typo
Correction: I don't make it a practice of mistreating people as others do here on this site.
Hmmm, suggestion for improvement: add "modify" feature.
Back to topic.
My comment is not specifically about IMAS but related (DIVERSITY):
(Speaking of diversity, seems that financial companies would be doing more to recruit women especially if the field is that dominated by the male species as is mentioned and reflected here.)
I've o'ded on Senfeld dVD's lately and yes, even though, it's acting, Kramer's essence shines thru as being one of the most diverse characters in embracing diversity (e.g. IMO, it's not just acting, he does embrace diversity). He was heckled, ego got bruised and he just attacked in the most brutal way he could to get back: he really isn't a racist.
In the shows, he might make a wise crack and be brutally honest as with the female with the big nose, voicing his opinion on various topics that appear in the show but if you watch him and how he works with diverse characters: no way is he a racist--he was just p/o'd: people will say anything to be brutal if they are p/o'd.
Kramer also works well with midgets, too.
I hate to see his career ruined because he's very talented, very physically adept in those physical stunts he did on the show ...and he also looks pretty good in briefs.
I disagree with this link:
http://www.dancharnas.com/2006/11/are-you-really-that-surpri sed.html
I hope Kramer will make a come-back! He's a very kool dude.
As for Mel Gibson: the only thing that will save him is if he does a movie to show pro Jew; his dad was anti-semitic, so maybe he was, too.
My point is sometimes you say things when you are very mad: it doesn't mean you are prejudiced: you just want to HURT that person. I may think men can be chauvenistic, callous aholes but that doesn't mean I think all men are that way. On the contrary, I'm a fan of men and, in fact, think all women executives should have male administrative assistants. (...may not type as good, but they can reach the bottom filing cabinet rather nicely.)
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