Bad day

[quote=707SE]

Looking to build off of yesterday's momentum, I had a sh*tty day.

One canceled appointment (to be rescheduled), one no show (more on this fuk later), a crying baby, blown off by a certified order taking loser male HR manager, ACAT reject and didn't get any calls done.

The cancelled appointment is what it is. can't change that. It'll be rescheduled. More than anything it's an opportunity to meet other people because the actual prospect is not likely to have many investable assets (I wish I'm wrong...).

The no show appointment was confirmed earlier in the week. When he was 20 minutes late I called his cell phone. Not only did he not answer, he didn't call back. I'm not offended it he doesn't want to do business, just don't stand me and/or keep me waiting in a f**king restaurant for 45 minutes. I stayed because the prospect has over 1.5MM in investable assets. He is a family friend and expressed interest in meeting. i set the time/date, he agreed. WTF? Maybe there is a good reason, but F.U. for blowing me off like that.

Went to go get my hair cut. Took forever and made me late getting back to the office. Worst part? My sister shows up with her daughter. She is getting a manicure and begs me to watch the baby. "It won't take more than 30 minutes..." Seeing as how I'm already late and hungry, I say okay and go next store to get a bit. The baby proceeds to cry, non stop, for the next 45 minutes - the amount of time it took to get my sisters nails done.

Before going to the office, I decide to stop off at a company that has and is still laying off a bunch of people. I spoke with an employee (previously) about rolling over her 401k and asked who at the office would I speak to - to intercept other laid off employees about rollover options. I got a name. Stopped by to see him (unannounced) and the piece of sh*t blow me off. I don't mind that, so long as its someone who knows what the fuk I'm talking about. Clearly this was over his head and he had no other way to save face that to say, "No".

Going back to the office I'm trying to merge onto the freeway in traffic. A semi lets me in only for some jackass hillbillie in a lifted Chevy to nearly ram my rear end as he merges from the fast lane into the off ramp. Then he freaks out at me.

Finally, I've been working on an ACAT for about $20K. No big deal. It was rejected a week ago. the SA's in my office didn't follow up with the back office on the why it was rejected. WTF are they there for?

As you can see, none of this is a big deal. The no-show appointment really pissed me off. Everything else isn't a big deal. Tomorrow will be better for sure. just venting

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Did you qualify the guy for wanting help or did you schedule an appointment to try to sell him something? People that want help show up. People that are meeting to be sold something don't. Never meet in a restaurant. Meet in your office only. When you set the appointment, ask if you should write it in pen or pencil. They'll know what you're talking about.

Sisters always lie.

Never expect stupid people to be smart. They will always disappoint you.

SA's are good for sex. Nothing else. Never hire an ugly SA.

No person can piss you off if your pipeline is jam packed.

When you reschedule the appointment, make sure it's at least a week or more, from today. Be sure to throw-in that you're booked-up solid till then.

For these kinds of days, the best thing you can do is cold call/walk. Nine times out of ten, you'll unexpectedly come across "money in motion" and you'll forget how bad today was. Don't ask me why it happens this way, but it does.

Hang-in there!

Welcome to the fabulous glamourios life of being a stock broker. 

We've all been there with days that started like crap and got worse.  It will get better just keep in there plugging away.  Don't give up on your no show.  If nothing else guilt him into a meeting with you.

My day has sucked pretty much too. Went to the doctor with a double ear infection. Can't hear sh*t and my ears HURT. Everything sounds muffled and people sound like robots. They gave me antibiotics, ear drops and nasal spray (I think they just want to push as many drugs as they can) and said I should avoid sounds for a few days.  !!!!  Makes it hard to talk on the phone or visit with people if you have to avoid sounds.  I had to have a couple of appointments pushed back. Thankfully, my clients are understanding.

So I came home, got a book, and fell asleep on the deck in the sun and now am sunburned. This is why I have time to post today.  Bored out of my mind and losing time at work. 

At least I can work on some power point presentations.

I think I'll get drunk tonight.

Sheesh spell check first Bunny!!! 

Think I'll get drunk sooner than tonight

Thanks for the encouragement. I was driving home from work and passed some field workers. I felt like an idiot for being pissed off and thinking I had a bad day. Couldn't imagine picking grapes all day in the hot california sun.

Bobby Hull, the no show had previously suggested we get together to talk about his portfolio held at a bank... Obviously I was happy to meet at his convenience. Going forward we'll meet at the office for sure and I'll use that line to confirm a date/time. Thanks.

Not only are my SA's not attractive, they are grumpy, bitter, divorced, and getting old. Oh yeah, not very bright either. How they lasted? No idea.

I'm going to kick my feet up tonight, watch this P.O.S. nba finals matchup and hit it hard tomorrow.

Thanks for pointing me back in the right direction guys.

707SE,

Read Bobby's last line 100 times.

You need to take complete responsibility for your sh*tty day.  You f**ked it up.  I'm not trying to be harsh with you, just giving it to you straight.

1)If you go into a day with just 2 appointments set, there is a good chance that your day will suck.  You will get blown off.  Appointments will get rescheduled.  Go into every day with at least 5 appointments set.

2)Don't wait around for 45 minutes. 

3)You aren't successful enough to close your business in the middle of the day to get a haircut.  Imagine that you run a retail store and it's the week before Christmas, would you put up a sign that says "closed" in the middle of the day to get a haircut.

4) See #3, but substitute, "bite to eat"

5) See #3, but substitue, "babysit"

6) You cold walk one place and get blown off by one person and your mad about the results?  That's crazy.  This is a number's game.  Walk into 20 more places and something positive will happen.

Judge your good days and bad days based upon your actions.  Today was a sh*tty day because of your actions.

Make tomorrow a great day!

[quote=anonymous]

707SE,

Read Bobby's last line 100 times.

You need to take complete responsibility for your sh*tty day.  You f**ked it up.  I'm not trying to be harsh with you, just giving it to you straight.

1)If you go into a day with just 2 appointments set, there is a good chance that your day will suck.  You will get blown off.  Appointments will get rescheduled.  Go into every day with at least 5 appointments set.

2)Don't wait around for 45 minutes. 

3)You aren't successful enough to close your business in the middle of the day to get a haircut.  Imagine that you run a retail store and it's the week before Christmas, would you put up a sign that says "closed" in the middle of the day to get a haircut.

4) See #3, but substitute, "bite to eat"

5) See #3, but substitue, "babysit"

6) You cold walk one place and get blown off by one person and your mad about the results?  That's crazy.  This is a number's game.  Walk into 20 more places and something positive will happen.

Judge your good days and bad days based upon your actions.  Today was a sh*tty day because of your actions.

Make tomorrow a great day!

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You're right. The thing that sums this up and pisses me off is that I know the only thing that I can't get more of is time. I didn't manage my time well today, at all. Maybe thats why I'm so mad is because everything sh*tty was preventable if I had prepared better. This makes me look thin'd skin'd but the truth is that I'm pissed because of the time issue. I hate when people waste my time. From SA's not following up in a timely manner, to me waiting around for 45 minutes for a no show, I hate wasting time and that is all that today was, a big waste of time. thanks for the lumps.

[quote=707SE]

Thanks for the encouragement. I was driving home from work and passed some field workers. I felt like an idiot for being pissed off and thinking I had a bad day. Couldn't imagine picking grapes all day in the hot california sun.

Bobby Hull, the no show had previously suggested we get together to talk about his portfolio held at a bank... Obviously I was happy to meet at his convenience. Going forward we'll meet at the office for sure and I'll use that line to confirm a date/time. Thanks.

Not only are my SA's not attractive, they are grumpy, bitter, divorced, and getting old. Oh yeah, not very bright either. How they lasted? No idea.

I'm going to kick my feet up tonight, watch this P.O.S. nba finals matchup and hit it hard tomorrow.

Thanks for pointing me back in the right direction guys.

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SA's know where the bodies are buried. Everyone's too afraid to fire them. The best way to get back at them is to make money and let them know how much you're making. Leave a copy of your check in the copy machine and on your desk.

Was that lifted Chevy truck red, rusted, and primered? If so, that is the hillbilly who I acated 1.5MM today! He was a few minutes late and was talking about a-hole drivers. Ha, just kidding. Tomorrow can’t be much worse!

I love SA’s- they make me smile…

[quote=anonymous]

707SE,

Read Bobby's last line 100 times.

You need to take complete responsibility for your sh*tty day.  You f**ked it up.  I'm not trying to be harsh with you, just giving it to you straight.

1)If you go into a day with just 2 appointments set, there is a good chance that your day will suck.  You will get blown off.  Appointments will get rescheduled.  Go into every day with at least 5 appointments set.

2)Don't wait around for 45 minutes. 

3)You aren't successful enough to close your business in the middle of the day to get a haircut.  Imagine that you run a retail store and it's the week before Christmas, would you put up a sign that says "closed" in the middle of the day to get a haircut.

4) See #3, but substitute, "bite to eat"

5) See #3, but substitue, "babysit"

6) You cold walk one place and get blown off by one person and your mad about the results?  That's crazy.  This is a number's game.  Walk into 20 more places and something positive will happen.

Judge your good days and bad days based upon your actions.  Today was a sh*tty day because of your actions.

Make tomorrow a great day!

AllREIT,

Right on about the poker. I am in a mega slump now and going to Vegas next week. Does not look good for the Gipper. Trying to turn the ship ASAP. The market fall does not help either.

MDT

707  there are going to be plenty of days like today, and plenty of others where everything goes right and you feel like the guy from the old Mel Brooks movie… "It’s GOOD to be the king!"

The point is that when things happen to you, what matters is how you react to them.  When you’re having a sh*tty day like today, it only gets worse if you let the frustration get to you and build up.  It causes you to react differently to the next bad situation that comes up that day, and for that matter if you’re not thinking clearly you’ll likely miss some opportunities to make some good things happen as well.

You have to let things like that go like water rolls off a duck’s back, and move on.  Keep a very even keel as you go through the day.  This is a mental game, and when you let stuff like that get to you you’re not bringing your “A” game on the field of battle.

How’s that for a bunch of mixed metaphors?  Nonetheless I think you get the point.

[quote=Mucho de Tejas]

AllREIT,

Right on about the poker. I am in a mega slump now and going to Vegas next week. Does not look good for the Gipper. Trying to turn the ship ASAP. The market fall does not help either.

MDT

[quote=AllREIT] [quote=Mucho de Tejas]

AllREIT,

Right on about the poker. I am in a mega slump now and going to Vegas next week. Does not look good for the Gipper. Trying to turn the ship ASAP. The market fall does not help either.

MDT

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That's the exact time not to play. You want to be well rested and in good mental shape, while playing against people who are tired and in poor mental shape.

Someone who is well rested has at least a 30% advantage over someone who tired. Tired/drunk people can't think and can't resist psychological baises.
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I'm curious though, I've found that when I'm at a particularly juicy table, I do all I can to fight through the mental and physical lethargy.  Do you rack your chips and walk away because you're not 100%?  Seems to me that is a sort of avoidance behavior, much like 707's excuse that he needed a haircut during the middle of the day.

When you get tired at the tables, cash in your winnings and head to a club… When you get there, have a dozen drinks and take down the cutest tourist with casual morals that you can find… AHHHH… Vegas…

[quote=deekay]

I’m curious though, I’ve found that when I’m at a
particularly juicy table, I do all I can to fight through the mental
and physical lethargy.  Do you rack your chips and walk away
because you’re not 100%? 

Seems to me that is a sort of avoidance behavior, much like 707's excuse that he needed a haircut during the middle of the day.

[quote=blarmston]When you get tired at the tables, cash in your winnings and head to a club.... When you get there, have a dozen drinks and take down the cutest tourist with casual morals that you can find..... AHHHH... Vegas...[/quote]

That's why I moved here

I prefer to have the wife pick up the cute tourists though, has yet to happen but this is the land of dreams right?

That's why I moved here

Can I come visit? I will bring the crew and we can all get after it.....

What I find, is that it is very easy to make bad decisions when tired, including assements of game conditions. So I pretty much always rack up when I'm not feeling 100%.

Yep, that's why I don't play cards in Reno.  Too easy to get distracted (drunk).  I play Keno.  50 or so games at a time and go do something else.  See a show, go shopping, eat, swim, sleep.

Gives me the feeling that I'm in the game and actually I usually break even or win some.  Occaisonally I win a fairly nice ticket.  Last one was 7 out of 8 on a $2 ticket.   I find it much better to pony up for a lot of games and get out of the Casino envrionment which will just suck up more money.

Plus I usual make my Reno trips something to do with business so I can write most of it off.

[quote=blarmston]

That's why I moved here

Can I come visit? I will bring the crew and we can all get after it.....

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I'd love to get the RR crew here for a Vegas weekend, it'd be nice to put faces with names, why don't we put Ms. PoopChute/Freedom/Madison/SexyLady/Echo/and who knows what else is charge of the orginization, she obviously has free time.

Although the thought of Bobby Hull in Vegas just send shivers down my spine.....we'd never be he same.

[quote=ExPropTrader][quote=blarmston]

That's why I moved here

Can I come visit? I will bring the crew and we can all get after it.....

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I'd love to get the RR crew here for a Vegas weekend, it'd be nice to put faces with names, why don't we put Ms. PoopChute/Freedom/Madison/SexyLady/Echo/and who knows what else is charge of the orginization, she obviously has free time.

Although the thought of Bobby Hull in Vegas just send shivers down my spine.....we'd never be he same.

[quote=Dust Bunny]

What I find, is that it is very easy
to make bad decisions when tired, including assements of game
conditions. So I pretty much always rack up when I’m not feeling 100%.

Yep, that's why I don't play cards in Reno.  Too easy to get distracted (drunk).  I play Keno.  50 or so games at a time and go do something else.  See a show, go shopping, eat, swim, sleep. [QUOTE]

I also love Keno.

You give the waitress a big tip, and she'll keep you well supplied in booze. Who wants to slave away at a poker table surrounding yourself with losers?

Reno is awesome, I love Harrah's steakhouse.

http://www.harrahs.com/images/non_image_assets/REN_Steakhous eDinnerMenu.pdf

Yum Yum.

I was in Reno two years ago, and we ate at the steak house at the Peppermill, I think?  It was a large casino off the strip.  The food and the service was quite fantastic, but the only problem was that the entire interior of the casino and the steakhouse itself were decorated in NEON.  After at while it made us all friggin’ crazy!

Atlantis Oyster and Sushi Bar rocks.  If you go during the week the rooms are dirt cheap (39 to 59 a nite) and the service is excellent because they aren't full, like on weekends. They have an awesome pool/spa outside and a great indoor pool.

Peppermill gives me a headache.....too bright and reflective. They are doing some massive building on that casino. New parking garage and another wing to the hotel I think.

If you like downtown,  The Silver Legacy is a good spot.  Has a neat microbrew pub and restaurant.  The wheat beer is great.

The Nugget in Sparks is good also.  Pan Roast is a must at least once.

We go several times a year plus for Hot August Nites!!!  Your tour guide report for the moment.

[quote=ExPropTrader][quote=blarmston]

That's why I moved here

Can I come visit? I will bring the crew and we can all get after it.....

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I'd love to get the RR crew here for a Vegas weekend, it'd be nice to put faces with names, why don't we put Ms. PoopChute/Freedom/Madison/SexyLady/Echo/and who knows what else is charge of the orginization, she obviously has free time.

Although the thought of Bobby Hull in Vegas just send shivers down my spine.....we'd never be he same.

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20 years ago, it would've blown your mind to hang out with me in Las Vegas. Today, it would bore you to tears.

LOL @ the direction of the thread.

Interesting little update. I'll post more about my day but I figured this little tidbit was worthy of it's own post.

So the POS that stood me up never called me back. I wasn't worried. I was at a recital for my neice this evening. After the recital I notice he's there as well. We make eye contact and are only about 15 feet away. He immediately looks away. I say F - it so I  walk up. I say, Hey how are you!? Who are you here to see this evening. He's there to see his neice as well. I ask, so what happened yesterday at the restuarant?

He says, "Yeah, I just wasn't in the mood to drive downtown..."

He lives about 10 miles outside of town. He doesn't work. He has zero responsibilities. He just wasn't in the mood.

I say, "Well I appreciate the honesty. If you're interested we can reschedule. I only ask that you show a little respect going forward and at least call me if you're not in the mood."

Cue the stare down and awkward silence.

I think he was a little embarassed because he proceeds to stutter and stammer about how he'd like to reschedule for next week and how he was meaning to call me on Monday.

I ended up making a joke out of it saying how it looked like a putz sitting at the restaurant waiting around. Trying to defuse the tension.

This probably wasn't the best thing to do but everyone has to mold their business a certain way. I'm my clients partner, not their bitch and I require at least the minimum courtesy and professionalism.

I told him I'd call him Monday morning to setup for next weeks appointment. I'll use BH's line about pencil or pen. We'll see how it goes.

Good for you.  It takes a real man to do that, I’m Fing proud of you.

[quote=joedabrkr]I was in Reno two years ago, and we ate at the steak house at the Peppermill, I think?  It was a large casino off the strip.  The food and the service was quite fantastic, but the only problem was that the entire interior of the casino and the steakhouse itself were decorated in NEON.  After at while it made us all friggin' crazy! [/quote]

Las Vegas has restaurants? GTFOOH!!!

[quote=707SE]

LOL @ the direction of the thread.

Interesting little update. I'll post more about my day but I figured this little tidbit was worthy of it's own post.

So the POS that stood me up never called me back. I wasn't worried. I was at a recital for my neice this evening. After the recital I notice he's there as well. We make eye contact and are only about 15 feet away. He immediately looks away. I say F - it so I  walk up. I say, Hey how are you!? Who are you here to see this evening. He's there to see his neice as well. I ask, so what happened yesterday at the restuarant?

He says, "Yeah, I just wasn't in the mood to drive downtown..."

He lives about 10 miles outside of town. He doesn't work. He has zero responsibilities. He just wasn't in the mood.

I say, "Well I appreciate the honesty. If you're interested we can reschedule. I only ask that you show a little respect going forward and at least call me if you're not in the mood."

Cue the stare down and awkward silence.

I think he was a little embarassed because he proceeds to stutter and stammer about how he'd like to reschedule for next week and how he was meaning to call me on Monday.

I ended up making a joke out of it saying how it looked like a putz sitting at the restaurant waiting around. Trying to defuse the tension.

This probably wasn't the best thing to do but everyone has to mold their business a certain way. I'm my clients partner, not their bitch and I require at least the minimum courtesy and professionalism.

I told him I'd call him Monday morning to setup for next weeks appointment. I'll use BH's line about pencil or pen. We'll see how it goes.

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This cocksucker thinks he owes you, now, and you need to milk it for all it's worth. From this point forward, you need to make him your bitch.

[quote=AllREIT] [quote=Mucho de Tejas]

AllREIT,

Right on about the poker. I am in a mega slump now and going to Vegas next week. Does not look good for the Gipper. Trying to turn the ship ASAP. The market fall does not help either.

MDT

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That's the exact time not to play. You want to be well rested and in good mental shape, while playing against people who are tired and in poor mental shape.

Someone who is well rested has at least a 30% advantage over someone who tired. Tired/drunk people can't think and can't resist psychological baises.
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Okay, I took your advice and took a nap today. Then I went to the dog track and got clocked... not one winning ticket. There is a darrkkk cloud following me which I cannot shake. I need to go see a Shaman or Tribal leader to cleanse me.

Actually, I am going to Vegas for Rehab at the Hard Rock on the 17th and then for some work related stuff on the 18th. How much could I possibly lose in 24 hours, huh?

This cocksucker thinks he owes you, now, and you need to milk it for all it's worth. From this point forward, you need to make him your bitch.

It's too late.  707SE is already his bitch.   The POS is the one in control.  He had no respect for 707SE and now I guarantee that he even has less.  Look at the facts.  He blew him off for a meeting because he "wasn't in the mood".  He doesn't bother to call to say that he won't be there.  He doesn't call afterwards to apologize.  He tries to avoid 707SE at the recital.  707SE promises to call on Monday morning.  There is only one bitch in this relationship.

707SE, you have no shot of doing business with this guy because he doesn't respect you.  You have to get him to respect you or else you'll be wasting your time. 

When you call him on Monday, if you talk to him, schedule the meeting for your office.  If he wants to meet anywhere else, say, "No.  My time is too valuable and I can't take a chance of being stood up again."   If for any reason, he won't schedule an appointment, do not tell him that you'll call back.  Instead ask him to call your office when he's ready to meet.  Do not meet him outside of your office. 

If he's not there when you call, leave a message.  "This is 707SE.  Please call my office if you are interested in scheduling a meeting."  When he doesn't call you back, do not call again.  If he's an "A" prospect, put him ahead for a year and then call back then.  Otherwise, toss him.

[quote=anonymous]

This cocksucker thinks he owes you, now, and you need to milk it for all it’s worth. From this point forward, you need to make him your bitch.

It's too late.  707SE is already his bitch.   The POS is the one in control.  He had no respect for 707SE and now I guarantee that he even has less.  Look at the facts.  He blew him off for a meeting because he "wasn't in the mood".  He doesn't bother to call to say that he won't be there.  He doesn't call afterwards to apologize.  He tries to avoid 707SE at the recital.  707SE promises to call on Monday morning.  There is only one bitch in this relationship.

707SE, you have no shot of doing business with this guy because he doesn't respect you.  You have to get him to respect you or else you'll be wasting your time. 

When you call him on Monday, if you talk to him, schedule the meeting for your office.  If he wants to meet anywhere else, say, "No.  My time is too valuable and I can't take a chance of being stood up again."   If for any reason, he won't schedule an appointment, do not tell him that you'll call back.  Instead ask him to call your office when he's ready to meet.  Do not meet him outside of your office. 

If he's not there when you call, leave a message.  "This is 707SE.  Please call my office if you are interested in scheduling a meeting."  When he doesn't call you back, do not call again.  If he's an "A" prospect, put him ahead for a year and then call back then.  Otherwise, toss him.

[quote=anonymous]

This cocksucker thinks he owes you, now, and you need to milk it for all it's worth. From this point forward, you need to make him your bitch.

It's too late.  707SE is already his bitch.   The POS is the one in control.  He had no respect for 707SE and now I guarantee that he even has less.  Look at the facts.  He blew him off for a meeting because he "wasn't in the mood".  He doesn't bother to call to say that he won't be there.  He doesn't call afterwards to apologize.  He tries to avoid 707SE at the recital.  707SE promises to call on Monday morning.  There is only one bitch in this relationship.

707SE, you have no shot of doing business with this guy because he doesn't respect you.  You have to get him to respect you or else you'll be wasting your time. 

When you call him on Monday, if you talk to him, schedule the meeting for your office.  If he wants to meet anywhere else, say, "No.  My time is too valuable and I can't take a chance of being stood up again."   If for any reason, he won't schedule an appointment, do not tell him that you'll call back.  Instead ask him to call your office when he's ready to meet.  Do not meet him outside of your office. 

If he's not there when you call, leave a message.  "This is 707SE.  Please call my office if you are interested in scheduling a meeting."  When he doesn't call you back, do not call again.  If he's an "A" prospect, put him ahead for a year and then call back then.  Otherwise, toss him.

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Unfortunately, you're right. What I don't quite understand is where he gets the impression that I'm going to put up with it. I'm guessing he's heavily prospected and that garbage worked with other hacks.

who knows. I'm not sure I promised to call him on Monday but I think I catch your drift. Regardless, I'll basically present it to him like you said. Meet on my terms or not at all. No more f'ing around.

As a rookie one of the biggest things that is freaking me out is wasting time. We've all covered how poorly I handled my time this week and I thank you for the verbal thrashing. Going forward I'm tightening up my day. It amazes me the lack of basic courtesy people fail to display. Going forward I won't (can't) let it bother me, but it does amaze me.

Thanks for the direction Anon. I like the direct way you suggest handling this. Fits the situation like a glove.

Glad to help. 

[quote=anonymous]

707SE, you have no shot of doing business with
this guy because he doesn’t respect you.  You have to get him to
respect you or else you’ll be wasting your time. 
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So much juvenile talk about "respect", what is this? West Side Story? On the Waterfront?

You want an advisory relationship, all this talk of who is and is not a "bitch" should be saved for when you get convicted of securities fraud. In the mean time, its not germane or professional.

This person isn't/hasn't treated you in a serious professional manner, but people slip up for what ever reason. Making the past seem important makes it important. Perhaps this guy has social anxiety disorder and was afraid to leave the house.

Give him a call on monday, set an appointment at your office and thats it. If you get voice mail, leave a message about him calling you back and thats it.

If he doesn't show up, your squared for that outcome, and if he does your ok with that too.

[quote=707SE]

As a rookie one of the biggest things that is freaking
me out is wasting time. We’ve all covered how poorly I handled my time
this week and I thank you for the verbal thrashing. Going forward I’m
tightening up my day. It amazes me the lack of basic courtesy people
fail to display. Going forward I won’t (can’t) let it bother me, but it
does amaze me.

If I haven’t said it yet, thanks all you vets for your criticism and advice. I take it all to heart and use it to refine myself - so keep it coming.

[quote=707SE]If I haven't said it yet, thanks all you vets for your criticism and advice. I take it all to heart and use it to refine myself - so keep it coming.[/quote]

I like what anonymous said,too. I you want to feel really good, call him and tell him that you've changed your mind and don't want to work with him. It will give you the energy to prospect even harder for people that want what you have.

Some people are just not worth the time as clients.  Sounds like this guy falls into the "too stupid to help" category.  You might work your butt of to land him, but you may end up being sorry.  He sounds like the kind who will fight you every step of the way in your investment proposals and then blame you when it all goes to bat sh*t.

If you do get him as a client, I suggest YOU lay out the ground rules on how the investor/advisor relationship works, what you expect from him and what he can expect from you.  If he doesn't agree or seems to balk, I would tell him that it doesn't seem that you and he will be able to have a satisfactory working relationship and that he will need to find another advisor after all.

I have fired several clients in my career for the above reasons.  Some of them had very substantial assets, but it was a relief every time to see them walk away.  Plus the satisfaction of just being able to tell them to hit the bricks. It was great to see the surprise on their faces that they weren't so special and that I wasn't going to grovel for their business.

I know in the beginning it really hurts to lose a "whale" but sometimes it is for the best.

[quote=Dust Bunny]

I have fired several clients in my career for the above reasons.  Some of them had very substantial assets, but it was a relief every time to see them walk away.  Plus the satisfaction of just being able to tell them to hit the bricks. It was great to see the surprise on their faces that they weren't so special and that I wasn't going to grovel for their business.

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One of my favorite parts of this business is firing difficult clients.  I had a really horrible one last year that was awful to my assistant.  So I let her fire her.  My SA loved it.

Go find someone that will make you money and will be a good client.  There are plenty out there.  Let someone else have this viper.

[quote=Ferris Bueller][quote=Dust Bunny]

I have fired several clients in my career for the above reasons.  Some of them had very substantial assets, but it was a relief every time to see them walk away.  Plus the satisfaction of just being able to tell them to hit the bricks. It was great to see the surprise on their faces that they weren't so special and that I wasn't going to grovel for their business.

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One of my favorite parts of this business is firing difficult clients.  I had a really horrible one last year that was awful to my assistant.  So I let her fire her.  My SA loved it.

Go find someone that will make you money and will be a good client.  There are plenty out there.  Let someone else have this viper.

If there is one thing we take away from this thread, is that there are alot of hostile and bitter manlets out there.



Ya’ll are making such a hollywood production out of this, while
fantasizing about being in control of other people. All this rage out
of what should be pretty simple situation.



You call the guy, and either he does or does not show up. And you set yourself ok with both outcomes.



I assure you that this prospect isn’t spending even 2% of the amount of thought being applied to this.

I assure you that this prospect isn't spending even 2% of the amount of thought being applied to this."

I agree. But the reality is that this is a forum for us to help each other- whether it be in tackling the daily issues that face us all (no-show appts, difficult clients, etc), practice management ("Should I cull my client base to make it more efficient?", etc) or endlessly debating the merits of active vs passive management....

I think this is a good thread in that it presents several varying POV's on how to handle this. The guy is obviously concerned about what direction to take on this, and our collective thoughts will hopefully lead him to do the right thing, and if it works out for him - to ultimately land this little mutt...

[quote=AllREIT]If there is one thing we take away from this thread, is that there are alot of hostile and bitter manlets out there.

Ya'll are making such a hollywood production out of this, while fantasizing about being in control of other people. All this rage out of what should be pretty simple situation.

You call the guy, and either he does or does not show up. And you set yourself ok with both outcomes.

I assure you that this prospect isn't spending even 2% of the amount of thought being applied to this.
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Here's the one thing that we should take away from this thread.  That you are absolutely clueless as to why this forum exists, that there are no bounds to your arrogance, and that despite the internal bickering among a few of us there are some that can really help others.

The prospect doesn't need to spend 2% of his time thinking about this, that's what makes him the prospect, pinhead.

[quote=Bobby Hull][quote=ExPropTrader][quote=blarmston]

That's why I moved here

Can I come visit? I will bring the crew and we can all get after it.....

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I'd love to get the RR crew here for a Vegas weekend, it'd be nice to put faces with names, why don't we put Ms. PoopChute/Freedom/Madison/SexyLady/Echo/and who knows what else is charge of the orginization, she obviously has free time.

Although the thought of Bobby Hull in Vegas just send shivers down my spine.....we'd never be he same.

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20 years ago, it would've blown your mind to hang out with me in Las Vegas. Today, it would bore you to tears.

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Bobby I find that hard to beleive.

[quote=Ferris Bueller]

Here’s the one thing that we should take away
from this thread.  That you are absolutely clueless as to why this
forum exists, that there are no bounds to your arrogance, and that
despite the internal bickering among a few of us there are some that
can really help others.

The prospect doesn't need to spend 2% of his time thinking about this, that's what makes him the prospect, pinhead.

[quote=AllREIT] [quote=Ferris Bueller]

Here's the one thing that we should take away from this thread.  That you are absolutely clueless as to why this forum exists, that there are no bounds to your arrogance, and that despite the internal bickering among a few of us there are some that can really help others.

The prospect doesn't need to spend 2% of his time thinking about this, that's what makes him the prospect, pinhead.

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Like I said, alot of hostile and bitter folks on this thread.

I'm offering a different approach than the passive-agressive (I really want to meet with you Mr wealthy prospect. So I'm gonna reschedule, but only my terms because I really hate you, you time wasting c*cksucker).

That attitude is logically inconsistant, and it wastes mental energy.

If you want to ago round carrying injustices, rage and frustrations with you from day to day, thats hunky dory. It's probably not the path to happiness and sucess.

So I'm gonna advise 707, to live in day tight compartments, and not to carry a debit balance from day to day. Part of doing that, is realising how much attention something is worth, and then not giving it any more attention than that.

Another part of it is accepting outcomes. And so when you meet with this prospect, you want it to be a blank slate, and you want to square yourself with all possible outcomes ranging from getting stood up again, to getting an ACAT of $1.5M. This way you are ok with the worst possible outcome, and then happy with anything better.







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I tend to agree with this moron.

Thank you for discussion!

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Thank you for discussion!
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