Strange Meeting with referral
I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr....[quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] So this guy is a Jones FA trying to get you to take advantage of the "opportunity?"I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Jones resembles a pyramid scheme.
[quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] I'm sorry for your time being wasted but that is F'n funny! Funny how such devout follower of God is so driven by the almighty dollar.[quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] What was strange about that?[quote=jkl1v1n6][quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] I'm sorry for your time being wasted but that is F'n funny! Funny how such devout follower of God is so driven by the almighty dollar.[/quote] Please don't judge all of us by the actions of this one kook. There are some very famous preachers out there preaching on financial success, but very little of it will help you find your way to heaven, or give you a better relationship with God. There's a reason the Bible teaches so much about money and false prophets.Don’t get me wrong Spiff, I’m a sometimes regular on Sunday also. It always has bothered me that the ones who make a point to be seen in church and talk about it are some of the most, how do I say it? Unholy of us all!
It's not. Borker is just a bitter little booger. I can recruit all day long, and yes, it gets me "brownie points" for limited partnership offerings, but I choose to spend my time building my business. Other than that, I derive no benefit from other advisors whatsoever, other than profit sharing and profit bonuses (and this is based on profit of my office and the company overall). Lets not forget, at many wirehouse firms, you actually get CASH in your pocket for recruiting transfer brokers. I know my friend at Merrill said he made like 75K one year on recruiting some transfer brokers. Not sure if that policy still exists, but at one time it did.I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Jones resembles a pyramid scheme.
[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=jkl1v1n6][quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] I'm sorry for your time being wasted but that is F'n funny! Funny how such devout follower of God is so driven by the almighty dollar.[/quote] Please don't judge all of us by the actions of this one kook. There are some very famous preachers out there preaching on financial success, but very little of it will help you find your way to heaven, or give you a better relationship with God. There's a reason the Bible teaches so much about money and false prophets. [/quote] Watch the movie "Religolous"....that's the only "truth". There are also lots of famous preachers out there who fondle little boys![quote=UNDERMINDED]I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Jones resembles a pyramid scheme.
It’s not. Borker is just a bitter little booger. I can recruit all day long, and yes, it gets me “brownie points” for limited partnership offerings, but I choose to spend my time building my business. Other than that, I derive no benefit from other advisors whatsoever, other than profit sharing and profit bonuses (and this is based on profit of my office and the company overall). Lets not forget, at many wirehouse firms, you actually get CASH in your pocket for recruiting transfer brokers. I know my friend at Merrill said he made like 75K one year on recruiting some transfer brokers. Not sure if that policy still exists, but at one time it did.
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You get diversification credit though…
And some goodies at summer regionals.
This is when you invite the prospect in your conference room and make him watch religoulous.
So, did the people actually sell a business or not???
[quote=B24] [quote=UNDERMINDED]I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Jones resembles a pyramid scheme.
It’s not. Borker is just a bitter little booger. I can recruit all day long, and yes, it gets me “brownie points” for limited partnership offerings, but I choose to spend my time building my business. Other than that, I derive no benefit from other advisors whatsoever, other than profit sharing and profit bonuses (and this is based on profit of my office and the company overall). Lets not forget, at many wirehouse firms, you actually get CASH in your pocket for recruiting transfer brokers. I know my friend at Merrill said he made like 75K one year on recruiting some transfer brokers. Not sure if that policy still exists, but at one time it did.
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You get diversification credit though…[/quote]
To be honest, I just don’t operate that way. The only people I would recruit are transfer brokers with books, or someone that would be appropriate to take over an existing office with assets. I would never recruit anyone “new” into this business - at any firm - I don’t want to feel responsible for their futures. This business is too tough.
Even so, that does not relate at all to a “pyramid scheme”. It’s just an incentive. A pyramid scheme would be more like everyone that I hire, I get a cut of their future earnings.
[quote=BioFreeze] [quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=jkl1v1n6][quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] I'm sorry for your time being wasted but that is F'n funny! Funny how such devout follower of God is so driven by the almighty dollar.[/quote] Please don't judge all of us by the actions of this one kook. There are some very famous preachers out there preaching on financial success, but very little of it will help you find your way to heaven, or give you a better relationship with God. There's a reason the Bible teaches so much about money and false prophets. [/quote]Well.....aren't you the little sunbeam for Jesus! Does the bible say anything about lying for Windy to save face?
[/quote] Yeah, it does. Exodus 20 to be exact. Which is why I checked my facts before posting anything about Wind. I don't need to save face for anything. You may interpret that I do, but in reality I don't. I'll ask the question again that I asked on the other thread: What credibility to do you have that gives you the right to question mine?
[quote=Hey Kool-Aid][quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=jkl1v1n6][quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] I'm sorry for your time being wasted but that is F'n funny! Funny how such devout follower of God is so driven by the almighty dollar.[/quote] Please don't judge all of us by the actions of this one kook. There are some very famous preachers out there preaching on financial success, but very little of it will help you find your way to heaven, or give you a better relationship with God. There's a reason the Bible teaches so much about money and false prophets. [/quote] Watch the movie "Religolous"....that's the only "truth". There are also lots of famous preachers out there who fondle little boys! [/quote] Did you not catch the false prophets part? There are famous preachers that fondle little boys? You mean famous like Billy Graham, W.A. Criswell, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, or Chuck Colson? Or famous like some random priest somewhere whose name ends up in the newspaper? I've not seen that movie. In fact I didn't even know that it existed. I guess it must have been a blockbuster. Bill Maher? Seriously. You're going to base your version of "truth" on a movie made by Bill Maher? One of the most outspoken athiests of our time? OK, let me ask this question. If you don't believe there is a God who created this universe, put it in order, rules over it, and offers his love and compassion to those who accept what he did for us, then why in the world do you need to go to such lengths to speak out against Him? Why would it matter to you? Seems to me you're wasting a lot of time and energy trying to defeat an enemy that doesn't exist. That just doesn't make sense. Is it all religions or just Christianity that Bill attacks? Does he have a problem with Muslims? Buddhists? Rastafarians? Is he an equal opportunity athiest? Did he interview someone like Chuck Swindoll, Rick Warren, or Franklin Graham for his movie? I'm going to guess no. Probably because it wouldn't have been very comedic to be put in your place by someone who has an equally strong arguement that is in direct opposition to your beliefs. HKA - like I said before, don't judge all of us by the actions of a few. Even in the early church there were things being taught, practices going on, and people teaching bad doctrine. Things haven't changed much in the last 2000 years.Spaceman. It’s actually a well done documentary. He talks about all religions and how they are the same thing. He actually interviews pastors, priests and other religious folks and makes his determinations that way. I really enjoyed the movie.
It was actually very well done and not as biased as I initially thought going in. It was basically Bill going from religion to religion asking for someone high up within that religions church to prove that their “god” actually exists and what, other than faith and whatever Bible that religion uses, do they have to base their beliefs on. Not surprisingly, no one was able to provide any acceptable reasoning other than what their Good Book says and blind faith. I just checked up and its the 7th highest grossing documentary of all time. So yes, it actually was a pretty big hit, Spiff.
Bill Maher is a man with an agenda, he went into the filming of this movie with an agenda, it is in no way shape or form an un-biased documentary. If Sean Hannity had made this movie the outcome would have been different … both men with agendas.
I personaly don’t watch hack jobs like Hannity, Maher, Moore, or Gore … they each have something to sell me and I’m not buying it.
Rush is god though and the only true religion is Yankee Baseball and the NFL.
Douche - I mean Volt - Everyone has an agenda, for everything they do. His agenda = Make a documentary on why or why not religion is real" He documented it, and his questions weren’t answered. Just like you have an agenda every morning watch Opra and eat Bon-Bons.
Not to take sides, but I'm skeptical. I took a philosophy of religion course in college and we had to cover the different philosophical arguements about the existance of God, and none of them relied on the book.It was actually very well done and not as biased as I initially thought going in. It was basically Bill going from religion to religion asking for someone high up within that religions church to prove that their “god” actually exists and what, other than faith and whatever Bible that religion uses, do they have to base their beliefs on. Not surprisingly, no one was able to provide any acceptable reasoning other than what their Good Book says and blind faith. I just checked up and its the 7th highest grossing documentary of all time. So yes, it actually was a pretty big hit, Spiff.
[quote=3rdyrp2]It was actually very well done and not as biased as I initially thought going in. It was basically Bill going from religion to religion asking for someone high up within that religions church to prove that their “god” actually exists and what, other than faith and whatever Bible that religion uses, do they have to base their beliefs on. Not surprisingly, no one was able to provide any acceptable reasoning other than what their Good Book says and blind faith. I just checked up and its the 7th highest grossing documentary of all time. So yes, it actually was a pretty big hit, Spiff.
Not to take sides, but I’m skeptical. I took a philosophy of religion course in college and we had to cover the different philosophical arguements about the existance of God, and none of them relied on the book.[/quote]
Thats his whole motive in this movie. To find the truth in religion without relying on answers from any book that was written by man. His conclusion…No proof exists.
…and you watched a movie to learn that proof does not exist of god? Those with faith don’t need proof, those without faith don’t need to watch a movie to know their is no physical proof. So, in the end he proved what we all figured out when we were 12 years old? You are an idiot windy.
I see proof of God in every wag of a puppy’s tail…
Thats just proving a dog wags it’s tail.
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…and you watched a movie to learn that proof does not exist of god? Those with faith don’t need proof, those without faith don’t need to watch a movie to know their is no physical proof. So, in the end he proved what we all figured out when we were 12 years old? You are an idiot windy.
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Really? Cause there are plenty of christian scientists who will tell you there is physical proof.
and there are plenty of pikers named MJ that tell us they are not Windy … however, I have faith.
[quote=voltmoie] and there are plenty of pikers named MJ that tell us they are not Windy … however, I have faith.
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but no proof
Plenty of empirical evidence.
[quote=voltmoie] Plenty of empirical evidence.
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Hear say. You’d look like a fool if you really knew who I was.
You are either 1 of 2 people … both azz clowns of which the name windy fits perfectly.
You see, windy is not so much of a person as it is a title. Some people say idiot, others say loser, i just say: WINDY
[quote=voltmoie] You are either 1 of 2 people … both azz clowns of which the name windy fits perfectly.You see, windy is not so much of a person as it is a title. Some people say idiot, others say loser, i just say: WINDY
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No sir. I have never been to this forum before. Although, I have contributed to another forum. Hence, why I am perfectly fine with starting in on a conversation here right off the bat. You would look like a fool, because you know me not. In no way, shape or form.
Like I said, WINDY.
Not to take sides, but I'm skeptical. I took a philosophy of religion course in college and we had to cover the different philosophical arguements about the existance of God, and none of them relied on the book.[/quote] I think with him being an atheist and being old enough to make a decision based off of intellectual reasoning, it would be harder to get an old dog to believe in something he's never believed in than it would be to have say, a 6 year old be groomed into a person who practices Christian or Muslim beliefs. Based off of his mindset, and he made it very clear early in the movie, unless you put a video of Moses parting the Red Sea in front of him there wasn't going to be enough "evidence" to change his mind. And to the 3rd part objective viewer it was entertaining. Its like Pangaea. There's no satellite video evidence of all the continents being together at some point and then drifting apart to the way we view Earth today. But there are those who are convinced and believe that Pangaea once existed and those that believe that the way Earth looks today is the way it has always been.[quote=3rdyrp2]It was actually very well done and not as biased as I initially thought going in. It was basically Bill going from religion to religion asking for someone high up within that religions church to prove that their “god” actually exists and what, other than faith and whatever Bible that religion uses, do they have to base their beliefs on. Not surprisingly, no one was able to provide any acceptable reasoning other than what their Good Book says and blind faith. I just checked up and its the 7th highest grossing documentary of all time. So yes, it actually was a pretty big hit, Spiff.
No but there are other scientific facts that support Pangea. Not just a book written by people, saying it was there. There are fossils, geographical evidence, evidence of the polar ice cap once being a part of other continents, continental plates, and not to mention visual proof in mountains, volcanoes and underwater plates. The earths plates move during every earthquake, volcanic eruption, and everytime Opra jumps. It’s visual and now, no camera necessary.
[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=Hey Kool-Aid][quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=jkl1v1n6][quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me. Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions. Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn't even know the details of what he is involved in. Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about. Waste of 1hr.... [/quote] I'm sorry for your time being wasted but that is F'n funny! Funny how such devout follower of God is so driven by the almighty dollar.[/quote] Please don't judge all of us by the actions of this one kook. There are some very famous preachers out there preaching on financial success, but very little of it will help you find your way to heaven, or give you a better relationship with God. There's a reason the Bible teaches so much about money and false prophets. [/quote] Watch the movie "Religolous"....that's the only "truth". There are also lots of famous preachers out there who fondle little boys! [/quote] Did you not catch the false prophets part? There are famous preachers that fondle little boys? You mean famous like Billy Graham, W.A. Criswell, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, or Chuck Colson? Or famous like some random priest somewhere whose name ends up in the newspaper? I've not seen that movie. In fact I didn't even know that it existed. I guess it must have been a blockbuster. Bill Maher? Seriously. You're going to base your version of "truth" on a movie made by Bill Maher? One of the most outspoken athiests of our time? OK, let me ask this question. If you don't believe there is a God who created this universe, put it in order, rules over it, and offers his love and compassion to those who accept what he did for us, then why in the world do you need to go to such lengths to speak out against Him? Why would it matter to you? Seems to me you're wasting a lot of time and energy trying to defeat an enemy that doesn't exist. That just doesn't make sense. Is it all religions or just Christianity that Bill attacks? Does he have a problem with Muslims? Buddhists? Rastafarians? Is he an equal opportunity athiest? Did he interview someone like Chuck Swindoll, Rick Warren, or Franklin Graham for his movie? I'm going to guess no. Probably because it wouldn't have been very comedic to be put in your place by someone who has an equally strong arguement that is in direct opposition to your beliefs. HKA - like I said before, don't judge all of us by the actions of a few. Even in the early church there were things being taught, practices going on, and people teaching bad doctrine. Things haven't changed much in the last 2000 years. [/quote] Spiffy...actually, I am certainly no athiest, I have my faith, however, it is not blind faith. I, like Bill, don't believe that there was a talking burning bush, or that a man raised his arms and parted the ocean, this is a fairytale. The truth is, I don't know whether or not there is a higher power, if there is then he/she has got an interesting sense of humor! I am not a big fan of Bill Maher's politics per se...but he is a very smart comic, who raises alot of interesting questions about, among other things, religion. What I do know is there is a ton of corruption in religion, and it has been the cause of pretty much every war since the beginning of time. If people need to have blind faith to explain death or just to sleep through the night, that's fine, but to think that everyone that doesn't believe as you do will burn in "eternity" is absurd. It's a great debate and interesting conversation to say the least, but I really just wanna hit Seg 3 this year :)[quote=BioFreeze]
[quote=MJ] [quote=voltmoie] and there are plenty of pikers named MJ that tell us they are not Windy … however, I have faith.
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but no proof[/quote]
I think a call to your regional manager could help with the proof. Just kidding, of course.
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Is this the kinder, gentler Bobby?
[quote=Borker Boy] [quote=exUBS]I was given a referral to a husband and wife who recently sold a business. Wife also sells RE on the side and is appearantanly quite good, even in this market.
I call and speak to the wife, who is very non comital, but says she will mention it to her husband. Husband calls back serveral hours later and sounds extremely happy to talk and then meet with me.
Husband arrives at the meeting and announces that he wants to hear about the best investment I have. I tell him that before I will mention a product, I need to ask him some questions to find out about his background, goals other investments etc. I ask my questions.
Then he says he has something to show me- A Pyramid Scheme centered around a new type of search engine / Craigs List competitor ! He brags about making $16k from a $1k investment and then says there are only a few slots available in the next flight of investment. I politely ask a few questions and quickly realize that he doesn’t even know the details of what he is involved in.
Then he asks about my relationship with God ! And proceeds to try to convert me ! After about 10min of listening, I finally stand up and tell him he has given me alot to think about.
Waste of 1hr…
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So this guy is a Jones FA trying to get you to take advantage of the “opportunity?”[/quote]
That’s ridiculous.
[quote=MJ]No but there are other scientific facts that support Pangea. Not just a book written by people, saying it was there. There are fossils, geographical evidence, evidence of the polar ice cap once being a part of other continents, continental plates, and not to mention visual proof in mountains, volcanoes and underwater plates. The earths plates move during every earthquake, volcanic eruption, and everytime Opra jumps. It’s visual and now, no camera necessary.[/quote]
Actually, there are plenty of historical facts that loosely corroborate the narrative written into the book (at least the NT and parts of the OT), arguably more than a majority of other religions.
With that being said, all faith is a non-rational exercise. Trying to objectively prove or disprove it is pointless.
Oh, and windy, it’s ‘Oprah’…
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