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Nov 19, 2005 10:21 am

What do these people have in common -


Jack Welch....... & any other CEO of a dominant company, during the most flush period of our countries history.


John Bachman........ (Edward Jones MP from 1980 - 2000......can you say whew, wiping your brow, as if you just missed getting pummled by a freight train)


Bill Clinton........ Dem or Rep.......you have to admitt, the only thing he had to stress about, is how to keep track of which lies he used to cover up some personal F up.


John Travolta......thanks Quinton - instead of a "pre owned" 911, I now park a small fleet of airplanes in my driveway.


Justin Timberlake, P diddy and any other no talent boy bands, or thugs....(Thanks to to the masses with $20 in their pockets)


Let's throw genius mortgage brokers in there.


And my personal fave........Hedge fund managers.


TIMING!


Nov 19, 2005 1:10 pm

One would have to imagine the writing was on the wall when Bachman left.  I did hear though that Hill was instrumental in negotiating the original rev sharing agreements and that is what really helped him climb as a GP.  If that's true, he got what he deserved timing aside.

Nov 20, 2005 7:18 pm

Such is life, isn't it?

Nov 20, 2005 7:48 pm

Edward Jones has not been successful because of timing or luck. Since 1980, the date mentioned above, they have grown their offices five fold every ten year period. That isn't by chance. Take a look:



http://www.edwardjones.com/pdf/PressKitMap.pdf



BPD



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The grass is still GREENER where you water it!



Nov 20, 2005 8:29 pm

Billions of flies eat sh1t too.


That doesn't mean I want a heaping bowl full.

Nov 20, 2005 8:58 pm

People give Bachman and the current regime all the credit.  How much money did Teddy Jones leave the firm when he died? 

Nov 21, 2005 10:16 am

How about Mark Cuban?!  Happened to have a great idea that worked--not luck or timing.  Selling in 1999--priceless.


Although, all the folks mentioned above did "make their own luck" to be in a position to cash in.  You could say the same things about anyone that started in the financial advice business in the early 90s....20%+/yr in any investment ('95-'99) helps you grow a business pretty quickly...

Nov 21, 2005 10:43 am

Absolutely - They made there own luck, and ....they took the ball and ran with it. I was just trying to have some fun. Being in this business between 82' - 99' Helped alot of brokers.

Nov 21, 2005 11:01 am
BigPayDay:

Edward Jones has not been successful because of timing or luck. Since 1980, the date mentioned above, they have grown their offices five fold every ten year period. That isn't by chance. Take a look:

http://www.edwardjones.com/pdf/PressKitMap.pdf

BPD

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The grass is still GREENER where you water it!



Got any information on the number of offices opened and closed in the US each year? All I ever see are closed Jones offices. I've never seen a closed Merrill office....

Nov 21, 2005 11:29 am

BPD -


FYI - For the majority of Bachman's 20 year tenure, business was easier to get......for a host of reasons. I really do think they have come to a point, where they need to do something diffeent. As MB said....There are a ton of vacated offices, that have housed 5-6 brokers in  a short period of time.

Nov 21, 2005 11:39 am

I agree.  I live in a town that is a suburb (10-15 miles out) of a city with a 500k+ population base.  No one from this larger metro area really ventures into my city, which is more of a commuter town, of 25k people.  The city I live in has an average income of $30k per working adult.  Not a bunch of high net worth people.  In this city, there are 9 EDJ offices. 


Oh, I failed to mention that of that 25k people in the city, 5-8k are college students.


Is there really a need for that many offices?  I personally don't think so.

Nov 21, 2005 12:58 pm

BR,


Ill bet that 2 of the nine office account for over half the revenue and the other seven are struggling.


Nov 21, 2005 2:10 pm

Then the new IRs are told to go out and knock on the doors around their office that have been knocked on many times before.  Often times they uproot their lifes to start out in an office in a situation like the above.  It's a sad thing because they are almost always doomed to failure and the vets in the area know that.  Yet Jones keeps craming them in with out any thought to what they do to these peoples lifes.  After five years of nonstop work they may be making 70k a year if they are lucky enough to make it, which the vast majority in these areas are not.

Nov 21, 2005 2:20 pm
BigPayDay:

Edward Jones has not been successful because of timing or luck. Since 1980, the date mentioned above, they have grown their offices five fold every ten year period. That isn't by chance. Take a look:

http://www.edwardjones.com/pdf/PressKitMap.pdf

BPD

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The grass is still GREENER where you water it!


These references to the Jones website are priceless.  You know there are a lot more McDonald's restaurants than there were 20yrs ago too,  that doesn't mean the food is healthy and the employees are rich....It's the shareholders and franchisees who make all the money.  At Jones that would be the GP's and the....Oh wait, the GP's again


BECAUSE YOU DON"T OWN YOUR BRANCH!!!!!!

Nov 21, 2005 2:45 pm

There is one guy out there that does fairly well (average I would estimate).  I would love to invest with him, but...I want a stronger platform.

Nov 21, 2005 9:06 pm

BrokerReject,



That's what my clients care about... strong PLATFORMS.



BPD

Nov 21, 2005 9:08 pm

It's probably something you should care about on their behalf.

Nov 21, 2005 9:14 pm

Ex,



So what's your favorite Platform?



BPD

Nov 22, 2005 12:05 am
BigPayDay:

BrokerReject,

That's what my clients care about... strong PLATFORMS.

BPD


You don't even know what a PLATFORM is because YOU ONLY HAVE ONE!  Touchdown bonds and A-Shares galore!


Do y'all still carry touchdown bonds in your inventory?

Nov 22, 2005 12:06 am
Starka:

Billions of flies eat sh1t too.


That doesn't mean I want a heaping bowl full.



Great Line!