Morgan Stanley August 2005 broker layoffs

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Jan 9, 2006 3:25 pm

Has any Ex Morgan Stanley broker taken action against Morgan Stanley to recover damages from the August 2005 broker layoffs or has anyone received a settlement for damages?

Jan 9, 2006 3:54 pm

You could be the first

Jan 9, 2006 11:47 pm

Nope, but I have heard that several Wealth Advisor teams in my region jumped to Smith Barney & Wachovia soon after because their junior FAs were let go.  I guess the Wealth Advisors were paying their junior FAs a flat salary and a small percentage of the revenue.  They were fired when they  missed the cut.


Glad to see that strategy was so well thought out.  Cut the 200k producer & lose a $2mill team in the process.

Jan 10, 2006 7:44 am
iconsult100:

Nope, but I have heard that several Wealth Advisor teams in my region jumped to Smith Barney & Wachovia soon after because their junior FAs were let go.  I guess the Wealth Advisors were paying their junior FAs a flat salary and a small percentage of the revenue.  They were fired when they  missed the cut.


Glad to see that strategy was so well thought out.  Cut the 200k producer & lose a $2mill team in the process.



I think you were misled. Jr brokers being paid a flat salary were employees not of the firm, but of the Sr broker. They would not have been fired. Jr brokers who were part of a team, but still using their own production number could have been cut, but who's a "jr broker" after more than eight years, using their own production number and still doing under $225k?

Jan 11, 2006 11:14 pm

Heard layoffs are coming End of February...


Pretty Reliable Region Guy mentioned to me that is the timeframe...Along with Payout cuts under 350,000 and higher over 500,000.


layoff number a bit complicated but around 300K will be the cut level for most.

Jan 12, 2006 12:06 am
fritz:

Heard layoffs are coming End of February...


Pretty Reliable Region Guy mentioned to me that is the timeframe...Along with Payout cuts under 350,000 and higher over 500,000.


layoff number a bit complicated but around 300K will be the cut level for most.




Jan 12, 2006 1:16 am
mikebutler222:
iconsult100:

Nope, but I have heard that several Wealth Advisor teams in my region jumped to Smith Barney & Wachovia soon after because their junior FAs were let go.  I guess the Wealth Advisors were paying their junior FAs a flat salary and a small percentage of the revenue.  They were fired when they  missed the cut.


Glad to see that strategy was so well thought out.  Cut the 200k producer & lose a $2mill team in the process.



I think you were misled. Jr brokers being paid a flat salary were employees not of the firm, but of the Sr broker. They would not have been fired. Jr brokers who were part of a team, but still using their own production number could have been cut, but who's a "jr broker" after more than eight years, using their own production number and still doing under $225k?



I use the term Jr Broker loosely.  Many teams use this type of arrangement in order to hit higher breakpoints.  Some call it a "Verticle Team."  It puts more money in the team's pocket.  I don't think I was misled, I heard one case straight from a branch manager.

Jan 12, 2006 1:23 am
fritz:

Heard layoffs are coming End of February...


Pretty Reliable Region Guy mentioned to me that is the timeframe...Along with Payout cuts under 350,000 and higher over 500,000.


layoff number a bit complicated but around 300K will be the cut level for most.



I have been told by several sources.... "No more Cuts, Period.  We're going with the team that is on the field." 


If they cut more people, then my team is walking.  We're not going to work for someone who outright lies to us. 


Things are starting to get really good, management better not screw this up.


Jan 12, 2006 1:30 am
iconsult100:
mikebutler222:
iconsult100:

Nope, but I have heard that several Wealth Advisor teams in my region jumped to Smith Barney & Wachovia soon after because their junior FAs were let go.  I guess the Wealth Advisors were paying their junior FAs a flat salary and a small percentage of the revenue.  They were fired when they  missed the cut.


Glad to see that strategy was so well thought out.  Cut the 200k producer & lose a $2mill team in the process.



I think you were misled. Jr brokers being paid a flat salary were employees not of the firm, but of the Sr broker. They would not have been fired. Jr brokers who were part of a team, but still using their own production number could have been cut, but who's a "jr broker" after more than eight years, using their own production number and still doing under $225k?



I use the term Jr Broker loosely.  Many teams use this type of arrangement in order to hit higher breakpoints.  Some call it a "Verticle Team."  It puts more money in the team's pocket.  I don't think I was misled, I heard one case straight from a branch manager.



You can't hit higher break points unless there's a production joint number, and that joint number had to have been over $225k, or management wouldn't have allowed it to be formed joint.. Otherwise the guy works under his own number, and could have been let go if his total production was under $225k and he was over LOS 8.

Jan 12, 2006 9:56 am

I've heard that there will be cuts as well.  With the way Mack would like to position it, there will be great opportunities for senior producers and top quintile individuals and groups to hang a shingle.  When all is said and done, I wouldn't be surprised if the number was around the 6000 range, with a very solid production/advisor number.

Jan 12, 2006 10:31 am
BrokerRecruit:

I've heard that there will be cuts as well.  With the way Mack would like to position it, there will be great opportunities for senior producers and top quintile individuals and groups to hang a shingle.  When all is said and done, I wouldn't be surprised if the number was around the 6000 range, with a very solid production/advisor number.


With all due respect to you and the others of the "I've heard there will be more cuts", I'm not saying it's 100% that you're wrong, but, uh HORSE PUCKY. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />


After the cuts MS ave. productivity per broker is right up there with ML and SB (and it's closer still when you look at median and mode numbers on production). It's simply unimaginable that there would be another round of cuts so soon (btw, didn't we have imaginary cuts in Oct and Nov?) much less that the cut line would be $300k. And the idea that after all the “We’re dedicated to retail” talk from Mack, repeated as recently as yesterday’s town hall meeting, the firm would cut back their broker force another 40%? Please, someone’s dreaming of the perfect storm for a recruiting environment.


Jan 12, 2006 11:37 am

I'm not saying that it will or won't happen.  If it does, it will probably be on a smaller scale than the last one.  Why would Mack want to rock the boat in such a big way by cutting those that are LOS 8 <$300k.  It doesn't make sense.  Gorman is kind of a "wild card" at this point from the standpoint that no one is sure what direction he'll go.  But again, I think it will be a great place to be, so stay put, MB.

Jan 15, 2006 9:33 am

         FYI


http://www.investmentnews.com/article.cms?articleId=54123

Jan 16, 2006 6:49 pm
mikebutler222:

 It's simply unimaginable that there would be another round of cuts so soon (btw, didn't we have imaginary cuts in Oct and Nov?) much less that the cut line would be $300k.



Getting a little to close for comfort, eh, stanley?  Don't worry, Jones is always hiring. 

Jan 16, 2006 7:57 pm

Jones


They're always hiring because they suck and they have unbelievable turnover...

Jan 17, 2006 8:19 am
jonesnewbie:
mikebutler222:

 It's simply unimaginable that there would be another round of cuts so soon (btw, didn't we have imaginary cuts in Oct and Nov?) much less that the cut line would be $300k.



Getting a little to close for comfort, eh, stanley?  Don't worry, Jones is always hiring. 



If the cut line were $300k at Jones they'd have to close half their offices (tucked between the Subway sandwich shop and the dry cleaners) and their sales contest trips would be 1/2 empty. (of course that would open up a lot of bandwidth in their 1995 era technology)


You know, the talk here is friendly and in jest, but given your hand in the outting, I don't have much time for you, little 'fella. Perhaps you'll prove yourself to be a man and "out" yourself as you enjoyed doing so to me. Until then, go back to "door walking" and jamming little old ladies into "touchdown" bonds, “newbie“.


Jan 17, 2006 9:52 am

jones newbie - just out of curiosity, do you or anyone else know how many MWD reps went to Jones after the cuts in August? 

Jan 17, 2006 10:04 am
BrokerRecruit:

jones newbie - just out of curiosity, do you or anyone else know how many MWD reps went to Jones after the cuts in August? 



 Great point. BTW, it's MS now. 

Jan 17, 2006 11:02 am

Thanks, MB.  Just out of habit, I guess.

Jan 17, 2006 1:14 pm
mikebutler222:
jonesnewbie:
mikebutler222:

 It's simply unimaginable that there would be another round of cuts so soon (btw, didn't we have imaginary cuts in Oct and Nov?) much less that the cut line would be $300k.



Getting a little to close for comfort, eh, stanley?  Don't worry, Jones is always hiring. 



If the cut line were $300k at Jones they'd have to close half their offices (tucked between the Subway sandwich shop and the dry cleaners) and their sales contest trips would be 1/2 empty. (of course that would open up a lot of bandwidth in their 1995 era technology)


You know, the talk here is friendly and in jest, but given your hand in the outting, I don't have much time for you, little 'fella. Perhaps you'll prove yourself to be a man and "out" yourself as you enjoyed doing so to me. Until then, go back to "door walking" and jamming little old ladies into "touchdown" bonds, “newbie“.




He was involved in that mess?