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May 14, 2007 9:21 am

Any comments?


http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 70514/FREE/70514008

May 14, 2007 10:19 am

I love the Commonwealth ad set inside the online article. Does the article foreshadow future growing pains for LPL? We know they are a great outfit, but they will be bumping up against a lot of situations like this as LPS feeds the need to grow, and it may make the whole objectivity attribute (rap)  look less meaningful.

May 14, 2007 10:20 am

" as LPL feeds"

May 14, 2007 10:34 am

This would hurt my biz a bit if it happened, I love JNL product when I use VAs.

May 14, 2007 11:23 am
csmelnix:

This would hurt my biz a bit if it happened, I love JNL product when I use VAs.


If the firm that I was with wouldn't let me sell JNL, I'd leave within a couple of weeks.

May 14, 2007 11:37 am
csmelnix:

This would hurt my biz a bit if it happened, I love JNL product when I use VAs.


This coupled with the issues of LPL and their 3rd party FBAM programs makes me wonder what is next. BTW, I understand that goes into effect on Sept. 1st.

May 14, 2007 11:43 am

I like the JNL product also.  It sounds like JNL folded at the threat.  I don't like this kind of game at all, but I understand why LPL did it...they were protecting the investment that they had just purchased.  Sounds like NP was paying some HUGE up-front bonuses for indies...I've never heard of 40%+ for indies, but there's no doubt that would be enticing for some folks, particularly if they were looking at wholesale changes because their B/D had just been swallowed up.


I'm a little uncomfortable reading about things like this, but I'm still far from convinced that this firm isn't the best fit for my business.  LPL knows that changing B/D's is a pain in the behind, so they know they have a little wiggle room with those of us already on board, but I hope and believe that they'll know where the line is and not cross it.  I'm in no way looking to make a move, but I have my limits...as my last employer found out.  The only thing I'm certain of at this point is that I never want to be an employee again...I think my B/D has plenty of control even in an independent arrangement.


I saw JNL at the Chicago city tour last week and as far as I could tell, it was business as usual for them...

May 14, 2007 11:47 am

Pardon, what is the third party FBAM program? LPL appears so solid, built from the ground up, rep centric with an independent product focus. I guess the JNL threat is crossing some sort of line, like Bobby says, it would make you want to drop them like a hot potato, or at least not consider joining, so what are they thinking.

May 14, 2007 6:26 pm

I'd take that whole article with a grain of salt.  Come on:


"the firm reportedly said"
"industry observers said"
"According to advisers, executives at rival broker-dealers and recruiters, officials at LPL of San Diego and Boston"
"the alleged hardball tactics"


This reads like an article from "The Onion."

May 15, 2007 12:24 am
FreedomLvr:

I'd take that whole article with a grain of salt.  Come on:


"the firm reportedly said"
"industry observers said"
"According to advisers, executives at rival broker-dealers and recruiters, officials at LPL of San Diego and Boston"
"the alleged hardball tactics"


This reads like an article from "The Onion."



I thought you were leaving?

I guess, as usual, you changed your mind.  Aren't you able to get the attention you need somehwere else...like where people have time to waste on human excrement like yourself?

May 15, 2007 7:41 am

Joe...you've got the wrong guy...FreedomLvr isn't Freedom Advocate.



BTW...empty your mailbox, will ya?

May 15, 2007 9:46 am
Philo Kvetch:

Joe...you've got the wrong guy...FreedomLvr isn't Freedom Advocate.



BTW...empty your mailbox, will ya?



Ooops sorry.

Emptying my inbox right now.

May 15, 2007 9:53 am

Woah, Joe.  Up past your bedtime last night?  You know how cranky that makes you...  Apology accepted.

May 15, 2007 5:05 pm
joedabrkr:
FreedomLvr:

I'd take that whole article with a grain of salt.  Come on:


"the firm reportedly said"
"industry observers said"
"According to advisers, executives at rival broker-dealers and recruiters, officials at LPL of San Diego and Boston"
"the alleged hardball tactics"


This reads like an article from "The Onion."




I thought you were leaving?

I guess, as usual, you changed your mind.  Aren't you able to get the attention you need somehwere else...like where people have time to waste on human excrement like yourself?


Tried to give you a benefit of a doubt and not classify or include you, but it's very evident how you use aliases to be a cyber bully, too ...and may even be Bobby Bully.  You are the KING of aliases, too many to mention.  Like to put the focus on others to evade fact that it's you who use many aliases.  


I've plainly said I've left the site but you continue to bash/trash me!  I don't care how many posters create names with deviations of FREEDOM or names I've used!  You are a total, 100% jerk, no doubt about it.  Furthermore, we had shared a few friendly pm's and then you proceed to publicly bash me as you did:  you have no class.  You like to hang on to pm's to help you change writing styles to build up your Repertoire of aliases.  It's you who is the excrement!  -- thinking you can control this site.  This isn't your site and you don't control it, as much as you try.  But you should seek help since you do talk to yourself way too much: yeah, everyone is really fooled here when you answer your own posts with different alias names.  You, pratoman and Bobby Bully as well as bully pups in training are the SAME: cut from the same cloth (whether you 'might' be different people of not). 


I'm very wise to alias behavior:  you are the expert in how you pupeteer your various aliases to achieve the cause you want.


I have lost interest in posting on a website that is contaminated with the likes of you and your aliases to include Bobby Bully.  Well, let's hope you wouldn't be that evil!  Creating an alias FreedomLuvr to include FredomA specifically so you can bash me is really a little too much.  Grow up, you pathetic, immature moron. 


http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/c/cyberbul.htm


I tried not to include you and had thought better of you but your true colors shine through.  Leave me alone: I've left the site! 


You have no class and bring discredit to this forum and to your profession when you trash/bash posters.  You do NOT have to be a rep to post here, like it or not.  You (to include your aliases) do not control this board.


Goodbye!  Best Regards! 

May 15, 2007 5:11 pm

PS:  However, I don't think you are whomit.  Whomit (Mr.A) had enough of this site, too and split.


Too bad:  he was the only interesting, intelligent poster with a little class on this site. 

May 15, 2007 5:12 pm

FreedomLvr was here long before you. So if anything it's you who coopted

the Freedom moniker.

May 15, 2007 5:15 pm

Very well.


Bye Bye then.

May 15, 2007 7:44 pm
FreedomAdvocate:

Very well.



Bye Bye then.





Of course it's very well. I said it.

May 15, 2007 10:18 pm
FreedomAdvocate:

Tried to give you a benefit of a doubt and not classify or include you, but it's very evident how you use aliases to be a cyber bully, too ...and may even be Bobby Bully.  You are the KING of aliases, too many to mention.  Like to put the focus on others to evade fact that it's you who use many aliases.  


I've plainly said I've left the site but you continue to bash/trash me!  I don't care how many posters create names with deviations of FREEDOM or names I've used!  You are a total, 100% jerk, no doubt about it.  Furthermore, we had shared a few friendly pm's and then you proceed to publicly bash me as you did:  you have no class.  You like to hang on to pm's to help you change writing styles to build up your Repertoire of aliases.  It's you who is the excrement!  -- thinking you can control this site.  This isn't your site and you don't control it, as much as you try.  But you should seek help since you do talk to yourself way too much: yeah, everyone is really fooled here when you answer your own posts with different alias names.  You, pratoman and Bobby Bully as well as bully pups in training are the SAME: cut from the same cloth (whether you 'might' be different people of not). 


I'm very wise to alias behavior:  you are the expert in how you pupeteer your various aliases to achieve the cause you want.


I have lost interest in posting on a website that is contaminated with the likes of you and your aliases to include Bobby Bully.  Well, let's hope you wouldn't be that evil!  Creating an alias FreedomLuvr to include FredomA specifically so you can bash me is really a little too much.  Grow up, you pathetic, immature moron. 


http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/c/cyberbul.htm


I tried not to include you and had thought better of you but your true colors shine through.  Leave me alone: I've left the site! 


You have no class and bring discredit to this forum and to your profession when you trash/bash posters.  You do NOT have to be a rep to post here, like it or not.  You (to include your aliases) do not control this board.


Goodbye!  Best Regards! 



You are a paranoid pathetic fool.  The only thing you are "wise" too is various ham-handed methods of drawing attention to yourself.  As I have said many times before this is my one and only identity on this forum.  YOU are the one who has multiple identities goforbroke/parachute/sexylady/madison.  It is sooo deliciously ironic that you are accusing me of the very misdeeds you commit.  I suppose it's all part of your sickness.  It is YOU who are attempting to divert others from seeing the truth by leveling your accusations against me.

I think it just drives you nuts that I refuse to stoop to your level, to cater to your whims, and that I keep calling you out on your obnoxious behavior and multiple id's.

We did not "share a few friendly pm's"....you overloaded my inbox with your long-winded incoherent ramblings.  I replied in a courteous fashion for as long as I could bear it.  If only people could see some of the bs(and some of the venom) that you spewed.  You only tried to be my "buddy" in hopes that I would welcome your efforts monopolize this forum for your own satisfaction.  Finally I couldn't take it any longer.

Oh, and I "didn't hang on to pm's" to create some library of writing styles.  No my purpose is much simpler.  Some day if you piss me off enough perhaps I will share with others on the board some of the silly bs that you sent to me so they can really see what you are like.

I have no class?  That's a good one coming from you.

I think it's interesting to watch how your writing style has evolved and so quickly become more coherent in the last week or so.  Either you've taken an intensive writing course or you forgot to put your sock puppet on before you started posting today.  You're an obvious, pathetic troll.

You really do have serious issues.  I think it's pretty funny that you are so unable to see the consequences of your obnoxious behavior that you have to fool yourself into thinking I have this army of aliases allied against you....as opposed to the reality of the matter which is that just about every 'regular' on this board cannot stand you.  I would never waste the time and energy to create aliases just for you.  You are not worth that much of my time and energy.

Have you ever considered providing a service to society?  You could head to the nearest medical school and volunteer yourself as a case study for the students going through their psych rotation.  That should keep you busy for a while.

So you say you're leaving.   Well I'll believe it when I see it.  If you do actually have the strength to keep your promise-and I highly doubt it-good luck and good bye.  If not, you can expect I'll be here to shine a bright light on your efforts to disrupt reasonable discourse on this board.


May 15, 2007 10:20 pm
FreedomAdvocate:

PS:  However, I don't think you are whomit.  Whomit (Mr.A) had enough of this site, too and split.


Too bad:  he was the only interesting, intelligent poster with a little class on this site. 



Compared to you whomit-for all his foibiles-was a joy to have as a fellow poster.