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Mar 14, 2008 3:13 pm

It will, I believe, be everywhere found, that as the clergy are, or are not what they ought to be, so are the rest of the nation.

Mar 14, 2008 5:32 pm

[quote=BondGuy] 

That priest wasn't taking a unilateral misguided action against my parents when he told them they were being punished. He was carrying out church doctrine. There was no individual failure. This was and  IS the Catholic Church. The Church of hate in all its glory.
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[quote=BondGuy]  Of course the church didn't kill my brother but according to the church God did kill my brother to punish my parents. It's not a matter of belief, but of fact.[/quote]
BondGuy, you remain adamant that it is a matter of fact that what your mother was told is official doctrine of the Catholic Church rather than the error of individuals. 

If such a doctrine truly exists, it is the first I have ever heard of it and I would most certainly want to correct my misunderstanding.   I haven't been able to find reference to any such doctrine in the Catechism of the Catholic Church or any other official Church document or source.

Can you please clarify for me exactly which Catholic doctrine is it that teaches that God kills babies to punish parents for their sins? 




Mar 14, 2008 6:59 pm

I think this thread has changed topics.

Mar 16, 2008 1:23 pm
Morphius:



If such a doctrine truly exists, it is the first I have ever heard of it and I would most certainly want to correct my misunderstanding.   I haven’t been able to find reference to any such doctrine in the Catechism of the Catholic Church or any other official Church document or source.

Can you please clarify for me exactly which Catholic doctrine is it that teaches that God kills babies to punish parents for their sins? 

  Of course you haven't found any reference to it!  To find a reference in the Catholic Catechism you would have to actually have to read the catechism, which obvioulsy, you haven't.  Isn't dishonesty a sin? Oh yeah, I forgot, confession. You're covered!   But just to clear it up for you: Marriage, as defined by the Catholic Church, is a union in the eyes of God, and as such is undissolvable. My father broke this rule of the Catholic Church when he divorced his first wife. And a sin against the church is a sin against God. His punishment was excommunication. My mother was excommunicated when she married him. As you are aware, excommunication is the servest form of punishment metted out by the church. And while excommunication in itself is intended as a medicinal punishment disigned to correct the undired behavior, the line between medicinal and vengeful is a thin one at best. You are no doubt aware that abuse of excomunication was so rampant that its use as a punishment has been greatly scaled back. Today, for example, divorce isn't an automatic excommunication as it was in the fifties.   Excommunication carries with it grave implications regarding eternal life. Certainly an excommuncated person could not even hope for purgatory and would be eternally damned. Even though the excommunicated person was still a christian, coming to their judgement day in such a state would be a one way ticket through the gates of hell, eternally damned. This is the teaching of Catholic Church. So I ask you, as the worshiper of such a vengeful God, what is the taking of a baby compared to that?                        
Mar 16, 2008 5:01 pm

So, BondGuy, based on your response, apparently you couldn’t find any record of this supposed church doctrine either? 

Mar 16, 2008 9:23 pm
Morphius:

So, BondGuy, based on your response, apparently you couldn’t find any record of this supposed church doctrine either? 

  One of the better examples of a reading comprehension problem that I've witnessed on this site in some time.   None so blind as those who will not see.   What's interesting here is that with cousins ,aunts,uncles, extended family etc., there are probably still 100 people living who know the story of my brother's death and what the church did to my parents. Most of those people were there in 1958. Many, if not most are catholics, and the majority of those, devout catholics. Yet everyone of them, to a person, agrees that it was the church who screwed my parents, not a bad priest who got carried away. And they do not defend the churches actions. What the church did to my parents is indefensible.   Now that carries exactly zero weight here or anywhere, except where it counts. And of course that is here within our own family. Yet, morph, here you come along with your church can do no wrong diatribe. Typically cold, and typically detached. Not an ounce of God's love in you. And you seek words to defend wrong actions.   I should have ended this conversation when you refused to reconcile your dishonesty.   If you ever do get around to reading the catechism let us know.