Fee schedule on MSSB, Wells, and Merril accounts

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Dec 28, 2009 11:37 am

Does anybody know the typical fee schedule on a fee-based account at these firms?

I have a prospect with $480k at MSSB, $1.2 mil at Wells and $950k at Merril (BofA).

Most of it is inherited money.  They have never spoken to an advisor at any of the firms except Wells, where their account objectives say that the account is a trading & speculation account when they are 62 and about to retire.

Anyway.  Anybody have any insight?

Dec 28, 2009 11:45 am
Moraen:

Does anybody know the typical fee schedule on a fee-based account at these firms?

I have a prospect with $480k at MSSB, $1.2 mil at Wells and $950k at Merril (BofA).

Most of it is inherited money.  They have never spoken to an advisor at any of the firms except Wells, where their account objectives say that the account is a trading & speculation account when they are 62 and about to retire.

Anyway.  Anybody have any insight?

 
Wells and Merrill....
Discretionary trading acounts......max 3% min 1.5% ( at 1 mill )
mutual fund accounts and managers and all the other crap....same only I think you can lower the fees more.
 
Also, it's labeled trading and speculation because the guy uses " non-traditional " etf's.
 
He's either really smart or working with products he doesn't understand. Performance will give you the answer. Good luck
Dec 28, 2009 12:11 pm
BigKahuna:
Moraen:

Does anybody know the typical fee schedule on a fee-based account at these firms?

I have a prospect with $480k at MSSB, $1.2 mil at Wells and $950k at Merril (BofA).

Most of it is inherited money.  They have never spoken to an advisor at any of the firms except Wells, where their account objectives say that the account is a trading & speculation account when they are 62 and about to retire.

Anyway.  Anybody have any insight?

 
Wells and Merrill....
Discretionary trading acounts......max 3% min 1.5% ( at 1 mill )
mutual fund accounts and managers and all the other crap....same only I think you can lower the fees more.
 
Also, it's labeled trading and speculation because the guy uses " non-traditional " etf's.
 
He's either really smart or working with products he doesn't understand. Performance will give you the answer. Good luck



Performance is sucking.  Down 12% since June.  6% for the year.  He is using individual equities, and a few ETFs.  I don't know what the hell this guy was doing.

Dec 28, 2009 12:20 pm
mlgone:
On ML
 
If it's outside money managers, it depends on asset allocation.  If straight Consults managers  the equity (higher) and fixed are different costs although they can aggregate the fee.  If it is a CDP account (outside money managers with an oversight manager) the fee will be higher.  Max of 3% and on a 1 million account I would GUESS down to 1.5%? 
 
MLPA accounts (wrap accounts) on 1 million probably could get down to 1.5% as well.
 
MY advice??? Get a statement



I'm missing the first two pages from all statements.  They scanned and emailed from Germany.  For all I know, it's a traditional brokerage account.  They say it's a "fee-based" account, but they might not know.

Dec 28, 2009 12:42 pm
Moraen:
BigKahuna:

[quote=Moraen]Does anybody know the typical fee schedule on a fee-based account at these firms?

I have a prospect with $480k at MSSB, $1.2 mil at Wells and $950k at Merril (BofA).

Most of it is inherited money.  They have never spoken to an advisor at any of the firms except Wells, where their account objectives say that the account is a trading & speculation account when they are 62 and about to retire.

Anyway.  Anybody have any insight?

 
Wells and Merrill....
Discretionary trading acounts......max 3% min 1.5% ( at 1 mill )
mutual fund accounts and managers and all the other crap....same only I think you can lower the fees more.
 
Also, it's labeled trading and speculation because the guy uses " non-traditional " etf's.
 
He's either really smart or working with products he doesn't understand. Performance will give you the answer. Good luck



Performance is sucking.  Down 12% since June.  6% for the year.  He is using individual equities, and a few ETFs.  I don't know what the hell this guy was doing.
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In Merrill terms, sounds like PIA. In Wells terms, sounds like PIM. ( Both discretionary trading accounts) What are his 2 and 3 year numbers like? That is probably more telling. Hopefully, and it sounds like it, this guy is an idiot.  He definitely starting shorting in June.
Dec 28, 2009 2:03 pm

Wirehouse fees only go as low as 1.5%?? So someone with $300K is probably paying 3%??? That is sick...

Dec 28, 2009 2:05 pm
chief123:

Wirehouse fees only go as low as 1.5%?? So someone with $300K is probably paying 3%??? That is sick...





wrong



and get off your high horse d*ckhead.

Dec 29, 2009 6:56 am

asset advisor as low as .75%  Wells

Dec 29, 2009 8:22 am

Thanks everybody.  Your posts have given me enough of a range that they sent the rest of the statements.  Awesome.

Dec 29, 2009 9:24 am
Shania Twain:
chief123:

Wirehouse fees only go as low as 1.5%?? So someone with $300K is probably paying 3%??? That is sick...



wrong

and get off your high horse d*ckhead.



I meant that in a good way.. maybe I should raise my fees
Dec 29, 2009 1:21 pm

Fee structures are much more reasonable and flexible than you think.

Dec 30, 2009 9:21 am

At nearly $1mil, heavy discounting is available, and in MLPA at 1mil, MAX fee is 1.5%, not sure where some of you are coming up with your numbers.  i'd expect it to be in the low 1's if MLPA, a little higher if PIA.

Dec 30, 2009 10:58 am
BioFreeze:
Moraen:

Does anybody know the typical fee schedule on a fee-based account at these firms?

I have a prospect with $480k at MSSB, $1.2 mil at Wells and $950k at Merril (BofA).

Most of it is inherited money.  They have never spoken to an advisor at any of the firms except Wells, where their account objectives say that the account is a trading & speculation account when they are 62 and about to retire.

Anyway.  Anybody have any insight?



You may want to consider an index annuity. They don't have fees.





Not insurance licensed anymore.  I refer the index annuity business out.  Do you want some of my annuity business out that way?