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Oct 16, 2009 10:06 am

If you have no clue what this is about, it's not directed at you.


For the rest.........
 
Rookies, trainees, pikers, and stupid. See ya at the lows and then beyond!
Oct 16, 2009 10:12 am

Hey queer. You're just like the people who think if the Dow has a good day that the market has "recovered". You're a moron.



Dumbass.

Oct 16, 2009 11:07 am

Sh1tshine:

Go polish a turd.
Oct 16, 2009 3:17 pm

Holy crap queerbait. The market is getting even worse. Now the indices are only down half of what they were this morning.



What's going to happen next, oh severely gay one? Is this a retesting of the lows? Is the put activity leveling off? What about Bollinger bands and stuff?



Your "market knowledge" is needed.



I hope that your boyfriend or same-sex partner (or husband if you live in a same-sex marriage state) has a good job. Because if you are in the business of making predictions, you're fcuked!



Oct 16, 2009 6:05 pm

Elliot Wave has a target for the DOW of 400.  Thats a long term number, he is looking for 2700 on the next move down though.  Have to think DOW 2700 this site would no longer be in operation.

Oct 16, 2009 6:14 pm

Dow 2700 this country won't be in operation.

Oct 16, 2009 7:03 pm
fritz:

Elliot Wave has a target for the DOW of 400. Thats a long term number, he is looking for 2700 on the next move down though. Have to think DOW 2700 this site would no longer be in operation.





fritz, come on man, smile.   

have faith in humans. population grows.

free markets are growing around the globe.

goog s and p earnings back to the beginning.   look at earnings in the 90's the last time the dow hit 6500. Look at earnings now.



keep it simple EARNINGS GROW OVER TIME PERIOD    ALWAY



this has been the greatest decade ever for productivity gains.   technology advances.   so many more of the world population with a shot at freedom. think about a true middle class in Brazil, then in china, then in ???????

stocks go up over time.    who do you respect more?

warren or robert prector?



listen to some people with true experience in this business (byron wein, don hayes, barton biggs etc)



stocks go up over time and the reason is really pretty damn simple why.



goog Ibbitson and take a look at the long term chart of the s and p with all the events that humans have gone though. The longer you spread out your time frame the more the odds favor that you will beat the risk free rate of return PLUS we are in a period where the last 013 years have sucked.   This is the TRAP.   The perma bear doctor doom dumbasses' have a field day and their argument looking out the back window in the last decade seems pretty strong, Fritz, you are smarter then that because you are going to look LONGER term and you will see that the odds greatly favor that equities are going to return ABOVE the norm in the next 10-20 year period.



are you an FA?    stop reading all that crap.   believe in stocks for the long run.   screw the nay sayers and the short term noise.



companies will grow earnings and the market will go up over time.   asset classes will go to their norm average returns LIKE always.



then never waiver with your clients. no matter what get an allocation that makes sense for them and become a broken record when the market sells.





Goog warren and just read everything the MF has ever said. then read it again.   



SHOE SHINE BOY?   OR WARREN?

Oct 16, 2009 7:08 pm


dow 400    guys doing meth



you could see dow 400 if



1. nuke conflict

2. gore is right   (Utah is 80 in winter)

3. bio terror   (small pox)

4. meteor heading to earth

5 jesus returns (i bet jesus is bullish)

Oct 22, 2009 6:34 pm
howboutshoeshine:

If you have no clue what this is about, it's not directed at you.

For the rest.........



Rookies, trainees, pikers, and stupid. See ya at the lows and then beyond!





new highs mensa boy



are you changing your reversal 3700 point retest call based on an industrial drop of 40 on this day?

funny



(Dow Industrial in primary down trend because the original names are not there?      The dumbest post of 2009)

Oct 22, 2009 8:05 pm
Shania Twain:

[quote=howboutshoeshine]

If you have no clue what this is about, it's not directed at you.



For the rest.........

 

Rookies, trainees, pikers, and stupid. See ya at the lows and then beyond!



new highs mensa boy

are you changing your reversal 3700 point retest call based on an industrial drop of 40 on this day?
funny

(Dow Industrial in primary down trend because the original names are not there?      The dumbest post of 2009) [/quote



Hey stupid, I never called a top.  Only rookies believe that is possible. I pulled another 15% out of equities today dipsht. I have 10% in the game still.  I said I will see you at the bottom because this is a waste of my time. And I will. you and a handful of others are some of the dumbest people I have ever spoken with.  Add this up....
 
waning volume on an unprecidented 50% rally in price
unemployment skyrocketing
tightening credit
US treasuries bottom in June and Have a 15% gain along with the stock market ( This is probably over your head)
China falsifying export numbers
Insider selling 10/1 vs. buying
Market swamped with stock
PE's nowhere near 10 to indicate an AVERAGE bear market
Sales down
Revenue down
Less inventory
Companies and households hoarding cash
mutual funds and money managers at lowest cash levels since 2007 ( market peak )
Credit card write offs at all time highs
Forclosers at all time quarterly highs ( even with the govt programs )
Capping executive pay ( no need to work hard now )
Do you want more?
Oct 23, 2009 7:47 am
howboutshoeshine:
Shania Twain:

[quote=howboutshoeshine]

If you have no clue what this is about, it's not directed at you.



For the rest.........



Rookies, trainees, pikers, and stupid. See ya at the lows and then beyond!

new highs mensa boy are you changing your reversal 3700 point retest call based on an industrial drop of 40 on this day? funny (Dow Industrial in primary down trend because the original names are not there?      The dumbest post of 2009) [/quote





Hey stupid, I never called a top. Only rookies believe that is possible. I pulled another 15% out of equities today dipsht. I have 10% in the game still. I said I will see you at the bottom because this is a waste of my time. And I will. you and a handful of others are some of the dumbest people I have ever spoken with. Add this up....



waning volume on an unprecidented 50% rally in price



volume doesn't determine price. Mostly it's determined by demand. (Mostly for those of you will go back to an earlier thread in which I argued that the stock market in theory could in fact not be influenced by supply and demand). By the way you spelled unprecedented wrong. Don't you have spellcheck?



unemployment skyrocketing



Really? Skyrocketing? The definition of skyrocketing is to "shoot up abruptly".    If anything the rate of unemployment has been fairly steady in recent months. No skyrocketing.



tightening credit

US treasuries bottom in June and Have a 15% gain along with the stock market ( This is probably over your head)



The fact that you see a correlation between US Treasuries and the stock market means you know little about statistics. Not to mention, even if they are correlated, correlation does not imply causation.



China falsifying export numbers



What else is new? I'm not a fan of EMH, but I'll be damned if that hasn't been priced into the market.





Insider selling 10/1 vs. buying



Really, every company? Where are you getting your ratio? If that were the case, that would be a ton of sell volume, invalidating your post earlier about low volume.



Market swamped with stock





I'm trying to figure out how this even makes sense, so I guess I'll just say that I'm stupid.



PE's nowhere near 10 to indicate an AVERAGE bear market



Which PE's? Some PE's should be near 10 others higher and others probably lower. What the hell are you talking about?





Sales down



Really? Did you see Apple's earnings?





Revenue down



Again, have you seen some of the reports this quarter?



Less inventory



Less inventory is not necessarily bad. When taken out of context, it means nothing. Which inventories? Certainly not existing or new homes?



Companies and households hoarding cash



Agree here. Households are being more discerning about how they spend cash, as are companies. However, this does not mean the Dow is going to go to 2500.



mutual funds and money managers at lowest cash levels since 2007 ( market peak )



Why do you think that is? Because they have taken their funds' money off of the sidelines.



Credit card write offs at all time highs



But still not to the level that is priced in by the credit card company. The reason: No significant increase in civil suits filed by credit card companies.





Forclosers at all time quarterly highs ( even with the govt programs )



What's a Forcloser? Is that your nickname for what you do? Seriously though, if foreclosures are at an all time high, that means the bank has a lot of inventory of houses (see above). Not to mention, some people should not have been owning their homes in the first place. What does this mean? Well, the banks down the road will be able to reap rewards from owning the property or sell them. Either way, it's not a big deal.



What about the consumer? Well, he ruined his credit, but who cares. The anchor is now set extremely low and when credit begins to flow again, the banks will lend to them. Again.



Capping executive pay ( no need to work hard now )



People become executives for a few reasons:



1) Money

2) Power

3) Prestige

4) To get women (this is why you will never be an executive).

5) To pay for their alimony and child support bills.



Now, you can cap executive pay all you want. There will be ways around it. And there will be no shortage of talent to step in so that they can receive the remaining four positives. For instance, the innovative Yale MBA grad who will run Bank of America for $250k a year. He's out there. Probably jobless.





Do you want more?







Please.



And while you're at it, why don't you post the things you've ignored.



Such as Apple's record profit, Honeywell, Amazon.... do you want more?

Oct 23, 2009 10:31 am
howboutshoeshine:
Shania Twain:

[quote=howboutshoeshine]

If you have no clue what this is about, it's not directed at you.



For the rest.........

 

Rookies, trainees, pikers, and stupid. See ya at the lows and then beyond!



new highs mensa boy

are you changing your reversal 3700 point retest call based on an industrial drop of 40 on this day?
funny

(Dow Industrial in primary down trend because the original names are not there?      The dumbest post of 2009) [/quote



Hey stupid, I never called a top.  Only rookies believe that is possible. I pulled another 15% out of equities today dipsht. I have 10% in the game still.  I said I will see you at the bottom because this is a waste of my time. And I will. you and a handful of others are some of the dumbest people I have ever spoken with.  Add this up....
 
waning volume on an unprecidented 50% rally in price
unemployment skyrocketing
tightening credit
US treasuries bottom in June and Have a 15% gain along with the stock market ( This is probably over your head)
China falsifying export numbers
Insider selling 10/1 vs. buying
Market swamped with stock
PE's nowhere near 10 to indicate an AVERAGE bear market
Sales down
Revenue down
Less inventory
Companies and households hoarding cash
mutual funds and money managers at lowest cash levels since 2007 ( market peak )
Credit card write offs at all time highs
Forclosers at all time quarterly highs ( even with the govt programs )
Capping executive pay ( no need to work hard now )
Do you want more?
 
  
 
stocks are a discounting mechanism.
 
aug 74
july 82
feb 03
jan 90
etc etc
 
how did fundos look during these periods?
you are such a wanna be.
 
 
 
(market swamped with stock?      exactly what the fukc does that mean)
 
Oct 23, 2009 12:56 pm

My discussion with you two is over. I like Moron's responses though. At least you try to think. You are brain washed and I love it. What PE's? Where do I get insider selling numbers? My man you had better learn how to research info. that is not on TV or distributed by your firm. My info. comes from BCA. Look them up.I'm done with this petty argument. Also, I don't give a sh*t to spell check. My posts take three seconds. I have a life to live.

Oct 23, 2009 12:57 pm
Shania Twain:
howboutshoeshine:
Shania Twain:

[quote=howboutshoeshine]

If you have no clue what this is about, it's not directed at you.



For the rest.........

 

Rookies, trainees, pikers, and stupid. See ya at the lows and then beyond!



new highs mensa boy

are you changing your reversal 3700 point retest call based on an industrial drop of 40 on this day?
funny

(Dow Industrial in primary down trend because the original names are not there?      The dumbest post of 2009) [/quote



Hey stupid, I never called a top.  Only rookies believe that is possible. I pulled another 15% out of equities today dipsht. I have 10% in the game still.  I said I will see you at the bottom because this is a waste of my time. And I will. you and a handful of others are some of the dumbest people I have ever spoken with.  Add this up....
 
waning volume on an unprecidented 50% rally in price
unemployment skyrocketing
tightening credit
US treasuries bottom in June and Have a 15% gain along with the stock market ( This is probably over your head)
China falsifying export numbers
Insider selling 10/1 vs. buying
Market swamped with stock
PE's nowhere near 10 to indicate an AVERAGE bear market
Sales down
Revenue down
Less inventory
Companies and households hoarding cash
mutual funds and money managers at lowest cash levels since 2007 ( market peak )
Credit card write offs at all time highs
Forclosers at all time quarterly highs ( even with the govt programs )
Capping executive pay ( no need to work hard now )
Do you want more?
 
  
 
stocks are a discounting mechanism.
 
aug 74
july 82
feb 03
jan 90
etc etc
 
how did fundos look during these periods?
you are such a wanna be.
 
 
 
(market swamped with stock?      exactly what the fukc does that mean)
 
 
It means millions upon millions of new shares have been flooded into the market to raise capital.
Oct 23, 2009 1:12 pm

Foreclosures

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093001696pf.htmls
 
Credit card defult
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58M4XF20090923
 
Banks hoarding cash
 
Well, excess reserves at banks at the end of September were $823 billion. You know what they were a year ago? $2.4 billion. And the year before that it was $1.4 billion.
 
Insider buying vs selling

 
 
Unemployment
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/02/AR2009100200833.html
 
Unemployment for youth
http://www.shoppingblog.com/blog/10030918
 
I think it's intertesting you can't decipher a 40% revenue loss is bad. Don't name 4 or even 10 companies when there are hundreds with that trend. I don't care if they beat "end of world" estimates, The numbers are BAD and getting worse.  Oh ya....perhaps you should grow up! Name calling, really?  Sorry no more time to walk you through this.
 
Oct 23, 2009 1:17 pm
howboutshoeshine:

My discussion with you two is over. I like Moron's responses though. At least you try to think. You are brain washed and I love it. What PE's? Where do I get insider selling numbers? My man you had better learn how to research info. that is not on TV or distributed by your firm. My info. comes from BCA. Look them up.I'm done with this petty argument. Also, I don't give a sh*t to spell check. My posts take three seconds. I have a life to live.





Show me the proof of 10 to 1. Not likely. In fact. It's not true. The ratio is closer to 2.5 to 1. I've done the research.



I don't watch TV (except House), and I own my own firm. I have 11 employees and I give out the research. You don't need to spellcheck if you know how to spell.



Your argument of a P/E of 10 denoting an AVERAGE bear market doesn't hold water. It doesn't take into account growth rates.



BCA's top three executives don't even have CFA charters or even a Master's degree. Not a single person has a Ph.D and there are only three CFA charterholders? Abramson (who has the most impressive credentials was has been rejected 12 times from writing articles in Forbes. Forbes!



Did I also mention that they are Canadian? Nothing against McGill, but it is hardly a school of finance. And not top-ranked for it's undergraduate and graduate programs. A great medical school though, and if you want to get your doctorate in chemistry. In fact, their finance program isn't even ranked in Canada. Or their economics program.



One guy was a geophysicist before he became an expert on bonds.



Shoeshine - you can use whoever you want, but I wouldn't let these guys research the plumbing I need in my bathroom.



Oct 23, 2009 1:26 pm
howboutshoeshine:

Foreclosures

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093001696pf.htmls



Credit card defult



http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58M4XF20090923



Banks hoarding cash



Well, excess reserves at banks at the end of September were $823 billion. You know what they were a year ago? $2.4 billion. And the year before that it was $1.4 billion.



Insider buying vs selling







Unemployment



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/02/AR2009100200833.html



Unemployment for youth

http://www.shoppingblog.com/blog/10030918



I think it's intertesting you can't decipher a 40% revenue loss is bad. Don't name 4 or even 10 companies when there are hundreds with that trend. I don't care if they beat "end of world" estimates, The numbers are BAD and getting worse. Oh ya....perhaps you should grow up! Name calling, really? Sorry no more time to walk you through this.





Your Washington Post article link is broken. Re-post.



Did you read the bottom of your reuters link? If not, re-read the article and read how defaults have declined.



Where is your link for excess reserves? You never mentioned anything about banks hoarding cash. And it's not the case everywhere. Most news articles are area specific.



Your chart proves nothing without actually showing the data set. I can manipulate a chart six ways from Sunday with any kind of data.



As for unemployment. When there is an incentive to work, people will work. When there is an incentive not to work (unemployment benefits) people will not work. As unemployment benefits expire, people will resume working. Although it will tougher, given that companies have decided that they can streamline their profits by not taking on additional headcount.



Teen unemployment is difficult to measure, so that article is crap.



I can name companies all day that haven't had a 40% decline in revenue. But I'm not gonna sit here all day and write thousands of names.



Be done all you want. Please leave. It's been fun, but really? You're listening to Canadians. (No offense to any legitimately intelligent Canadians).

Oct 23, 2009 1:31 pm
Moraen:
howboutshoeshine:

My discussion with you two is over. I like Moron's responses though. At least you try to think. You are brain washed and I love it. What PE's? Where do I get insider selling numbers? My man you had better learn how to research info. that is not on TV or distributed by your firm. My info. comes from BCA. Look them up.I'm done with this petty argument. Also, I don't give a sh*t to spell check. My posts take three seconds. I have a life to live.



Show me the proof of 10 to 1. Not likely. In fact. It's not true. The ratio is closer to 2.5 to 1. I've done the research.

I don't watch TV (except House), and I own my own firm. I have 11 employees and I give out the research. You don't need to spellcheck if you know how to spell.

Your argument of a P/E of 10 denoting an AVERAGE bear market doesn't hold water. It doesn't take into account growth rates.

BCA's top three executives don't even have CFA charters or even a Master's degree. Not a single person has a Ph.D and there are only three CFA charterholders? Abramson (who has the most impressive credentials was has been rejected 12 times from writing articles in Forbes. Forbes!

Did I also mention that they are Canadian? Nothing against McGill, but it is hardly a school of finance. And not top-ranked for it's undergraduate and graduate programs. A great medical school though, and if you want to get your doctorate in chemistry. In fact, their finance program isn't even ranked in Canada. Or their economics program.

One guy was a geophysicist before he became an expert on bonds.

Shoeshine - you can use whoever you want, but I wouldn't let these guys research the plumbing I need in my bathroom.

 
Their credentials are outstanding and they are recommended by the CFA charter! You have obviously never seen their research, but I would urge you two.  By the way, they are not nears at all just GREAT research.
 

 

 
It's not slowing down it's speeding up! You were correct it's not 10?1 in August it was 31/1.
 
Oh ya.. opening up your shop was a great idea, wish I would have. At least I'm buried in an eight year contract though!!!!
Oct 23, 2009 1:32 pm
howboutshoeshine:

My discussion with you two is over.







game,set, match



Oct 23, 2009 1:32 pm
Shania Twain:
howboutshoeshine:

My discussion with you two is over.



game,set, match

 
You never played shut up.