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Jan 13, 2010 8:47 am

For those of you former Jonesies that might be in the NC area, Jim Phillips, one of our top 3 advisors in the nation, passed away of a heart attack at age 58 two days ago.

Jan 13, 2010 1:22 pm
yeah, I heard that.
 
R.I.P.
Jan 13, 2010 1:43 pm

He was number 1 when I went through training in 2006. They showed us his commission screen at PDP. God bless him and his family.

 
 
Jan 13, 2010 5:06 pm

Wow....he spoke at one of our meetings. Very nice person.

You want to talk about a scramble for an office......
Jan 13, 2010 6:44 pm
noggin:

Wow....he spoke at one of our meetings. Very nice person.

You want to talk about a scramble for an office......


 
I think we're talking plural here.  At last count, someone told me over $600mm AUM.
Jan 14, 2010 12:20 am

The vultures are circling now. Waiting to take over assets, jump to Seg 5, and speak about "what is working" for them at the next FA meeting.

Jan 14, 2010 12:33 am

That's just too f***ing young...

I wish all the best to his family, and screw the vultures who fight for his book...
 
thinking...I should probably lay off the coke.
Jan 14, 2010 2:12 pm

Maybe too much stress from too many accounts? I never met him, but he had a huge volume of business. Didn't he open like 30 accounts a month? 

Jan 14, 2010 2:45 pm

Yeah, he was opening like 30 a month.  Had like 1500 households, and that was after like 10 Goodknights.  He's probably responsible for bringing in over $1B to the firm.  His deal was that he didn't turn ANYONE away, regardless of account size.  He has like 5 assistants I think.  And he has a pretty good process.

Nice guy from what I hear. 
Jan 14, 2010 3:07 pm
B24:
noggin:

Wow....he spoke at one of our meetings. Very nice person.

You want to talk about a scramble for an office......


 
I think we're talking plural here.  At last count, someone told me over $600mm AUM.
 
What will his family get? I know that was a reason for some people leaving in the past. RIP.
Jan 14, 2010 3:32 pm
Mr.Blonde:
B24:
noggin:

Wow....he spoke at one of our meetings. Very nice person.

You want to talk about a scramble for an office......


 
I think we're talking plural here.  At last count, someone told me over $600mm AUM.
 
What will his family get? I know that was a reason for some people leaving in the past. RIP.
 
Well, a huge amount of general partnership and limited partnership shares.  And my guess is that they will do some sort of "retirement" package, similar to what they do when the transition anyone into retirement.  But that's just speculation.  I have never heard what happens if someone passes.  Maybe Spiff knows.
Jan 14, 2010 3:39 pm

What was his T12?

Jan 14, 2010 3:40 pm

Jim Phillips was a good man.  I had lunch with him one time. 

Man are they going to cannibalize that book.  Some new FAs just got a nice fat raise.  I hope they sunset it or something.

Jan 14, 2010 4:02 pm

Unless they treat employees differently (which I doubt they would), those partnership shares are returned to the company for their current market value.


Now with the GP shares they may have the right to move to SLP. And that might allow for heirs to continue to receive the income. Maybe a GP would care to comment...


As far as transition income to heirs, that would be the first time I have heard of that but it wouldn't suprise me that they offer something to the big producers. Certainly the family would be elgible for his deferred comp and retirement dollars. There must be a precedent for this, it would be interesting to hear what kind of policy Jones offers.


I know of a brand new rep who died during KYC last year and all that was offered was the group life insurance, but it wasn't even a rep who had started producing. Spiff any thoughts...

Jan 14, 2010 4:04 pm

In 06 his T12 was around 2-2.5 mil if I remember correctly.

 
Can any of you guys give details on this process ? An LP I know told me that if he were to pass that his wife would just get a check for the LP, his book is absorbed by the firm and his family is no part of anything moving forward. Can that be true ?


 





 
Jan 14, 2010 4:08 pm
Ron 14:

In 06 his T12 was around 2-2.5 mil if I remember correctly.

 
Can any of you guys give details on this process ? An LP I know told me that if he were to pass that his wife would just get a check for the LP, his book is absorbed by the firm and his family is no part of anything moving forward. Can that be true ?


 





 
 
I knew of one person who left for RJ specifically because his wife wouldn't get a dime of 8 years of work. The info was second hand, but this was a 40 million dollar book, I can't fathom leaving 600 million and getting 0. Anyone?
Jan 14, 2010 4:53 pm

Regardles of what transpires with the book, he probably has millions in GP and LP, millions in his 401K, and millions in his deferred comp.  And this doesn't include his personal investments and the real estate he owns (he owns the building he works in).  I am guessing he is worth north of $10mm.  But the question remains what will happen to the book.  I know it will get split up, but hopefully they'll get a transition package.  My guess is that at that level, you have talked to someone about that situation.

Jan 14, 2010 5:02 pm

Unfortunately I believe the suspicions about getting nothing for his mega book are more than likely true.  I hope I'm wrong.  That's one thing I don't understand about EDJ and our supervets within a few years of retirement.  Why guys like this don't go indy at the last minute so they can sell their book is suprising.  I understand why Jones doesn't address it, but it why those guys like Jim don't take steps to figure it out is beyond me.  I'm really suprised we don't lose more of them that are 60 years old.  Perhaps I just don't run in the right circles to know why those guys think the way they do.   

 
LP gets cashed out.  So, if he had $100K in LP, his widow gets three checks that total $100K.  I don't know what happens to his GP.  I've never asked a GP what were to happen to his partnership if he died.  My guess - and it's a pure guess - is that a check gets cut just like the LP.  The benefit to our partnership is the income stream it creates.  It's not the market value.  There isn't one. 
 
Jim's widow isn't going to have any say over what happens to his book.  Chances are it will get split up between 4 or 5 FAs in the area.  Someone will probably get a really big chunk of it.  I'm voting for his younger brother that is there in that town too.  Keep it in the family at least.  
 
 
 
 
 
Jan 14, 2010 5:17 pm

See David Lane's divorce proceedings for the ability of anyone other than a GP to own GP. It can't happen. I'm sure a check would be sent for the value. As I've said before, Jones could give a 20% payout to the "buyer" and 20% to the "seller" for some period of time and everyone would be MUCH happier, and Jones wouldn't even have to give up any more cash.

Jan 14, 2010 5:26 pm

This is the primary reason I left Jones in 06. I couldn't see working all those years only to leave my family with nothing for my hard work.

 
What a shame that the firm hasn't put more value in the reps sweat equity. It wouldn't make me feel very good about representing a firm that treats it's FA's like this.
 
Spiff...I know we disagree alot on these forums, but I think you can see that you and others like you need to protect your families with alot of life insurance for obvious reasons , not the least of which is to compensate your heirs for your hard work building your practice. It's highly likely if the firm won't help the top producers family, they aren't going to help anyone.