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May 22, 2009 10:39 pm

We had a couple of upper level MS management thugs visit our SB office for a pep talk.  I've only worked at SB, but I just assumed that all the majors were the same.  If these guys are any indication, we at SB are in for a rude awakening.  They were recommending that the path to success is to plug into the structured product/IPO/ and any other crap that they can pump out of N.Y. to dump on our unsuspecting clients.  It was all very 1980's.  I thought those days were over.  I'm scared.

May 22, 2009 11:29 pm

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



SB is done.. Welcome to MS!!!

May 23, 2009 12:03 am

the intercapital fund of the month has become the IB structured product of the month. welcome to the mushroom patch.

May 23, 2009 8:34 am

I highly doubt it's a reflection of SB as a whole. I can't speak for what the do in NY, but I know a couple guys at SB, and they do pretty typical stuff - MFDs, annuities, managed mutual fund accounts, and a few SMA's. Nothing ecclectic.

May 23, 2009 9:59 am

Reading is fundamental...he is talking about MS culture, not SB.

May 23, 2009 10:34 am

Most of what I have seen from MS has been your typical

stuff, mutual funds, etc...

May 23, 2009 11:19 pm

I heard the same thing about MS. There was a meeting of a group of SB guys with some MS regional Sales Managers. The MS managers were talking smack about how they were gonna come into the sb branches and teach the brokers how to generate commissions doing bond swaps and how great it was gonna be having that big distribution channel..

Sounds pretty scary if your plan is to be at SB for the next couple of years.

May 24, 2009 8:22 am

That is the phrase I keep hearing -- distribution channel.  I believe even John Mack uttered it on one of our calls.  This is the exact opposite of the client centric model.  Instead of being concerned with the needs and goals of our retail clients, MS (from Mack on down) seems to be much more concerned with the needs and goals of the institutions that are investment banking clients.  Once again retail gets the shaft. 

May 24, 2009 10:11 am
Lex123:

That is the phrase I keep hearing -- distribution channel.  I believe even John Mack uttered it on one of our calls.  This is the exact opposite of the client centric model.  Instead of being concerned with the needs and goals of our retail clients, MS (from Mack on down) seems to be much more concerned with the needs and goals of the institutions that are investment banking clients.  Once again retail gets the shaft. 




Awwwww....poor baby.

May 24, 2009 10:56 am

More great stuff from Hack !

May 25, 2009 8:05 am
Ron 14:

More great stuff from Hack !




Failure to thrive at Jones and having to get a job at a bank = HACK

May 25, 2009 9:43 am

Talking crap in chat rooms behind a keyboard = Hack

May 25, 2009 10:34 am

Trying to sell people what they don't want to buy and wondering why it isn't working = HACK

May 25, 2009 11:47 am

I try to lead people towards what they need, not what they want to buy. What people want to buy and want they need is usually the complete opposite.

May 25, 2009 11:53 am
Ron 14:

I try to lead people towards what they need, not what they want to buy. What people want to buy and want they need is usually the complete opposite.




Who are YOU to decide what they need? How's that working out for you? You failed at jones and now your a bank baby. Hack.

May 25, 2009 12:00 pm

LOL, look up the term advisor in the dictionary.

May 25, 2009 12:03 pm
Ron 14:

LOL, look up the term advisor in the dictionary.



In which grocery store is your bank branch located?

May 25, 2009 12:09 pm

The one on the Northeast corner of Chicago Ave and Lake Shore Drive

May 25, 2009 12:12 pm
Ron 14:

The one on the Northeast corner of Chicago Ave and Lake Shore Drive



No such thing, unless it's in the lake. Kind of like your career.

May 25, 2009 3:25 pm
Lex123:

We had a couple of upper level MS management thugs visit our SB office for a pep talk.  I've only worked at SB, but I just assumed that all the majors were the same.  If these guys are any indication, we at SB are in for a rude awakening.  They were recommending that the path to success is to plug into the structured product/IPO/ and any other crap that they can pump out of N.Y. to dump on our unsuspecting clients.  It was all very 1980's.  I thought those days were over.  I'm scared.

 
Sorry, not buying it. Telling people to take a look at SP offerings is one thing, claiming they told you the "path to success" is IPOs, something that's been dead for at least 18 months just isn't believable. You're just not going to be able to make the "SB was interested in the client, MS just wants to pump crap at the client" sale to anyone who knows anything about the firms involved.