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Jan 27, 2010 3:57 pm

The iPad is straight AWESOME!

One for everyone in the office.

I have no idea what it does, but it looks really cool.


Jan 27, 2010 4:19 pm

It does look pretty cool.  From what I've read it's really only an iPhone on steroids.  It would have been really cool if they would have put a good sized HDD on it.  They say it's better than the iPhone/iPod touch for games, browsing, etc, but if you can't store 200GB of music on it, then why waste your time.  Get yourself a good laptop.  If you look at the photos of his presentation where they put up the grid of pricing, to get one that might actually replace, kind of, a laptop your looking at $800+.  Of course to get the 3G like the iPhone you still have to buy the data package.  So, tack $30 a month onto that $800.  At least that's what AT&T charges for their iPhone data package. 


Your office staff will still love you if you buy them all one.  
 
Jan 27, 2010 5:21 pm
Spaceman Spiff:

It does look pretty cool.  From what I've read it's really only an iPhone on steroids.  It would have been really cool if they would have put a good sized HDD on it.  They say it's better than the iPhone/iPod touch for games, browsing, etc, but if you can't store 200GB of music on it, then why waste your time.  Get yourself a good laptop.  If you look at the photos of his presentation where they put up the grid of pricing, to get one that might actually replace, kind of, a laptop your looking at $800+.  Of course to get the 3G like the iPhone you still have to buy the data package.  So, tack $30 a month onto that $800.  At least that's what AT&T charges for their iPhone data package. 

Your office staff will still love you if you buy them all one.  
 



Spiff, I don't care.  What I like is that McGraw Hill will allow you to download textbooks at 25% of the price.  I just started my Ph.D, and have about eleventy-five semesters left. 

Not to mention it's like a reader as well.  I will gladly pay $800, and pay the data plan fee.  I have had an iTunes account since it came out and have loaded old CDs into iTunes.  I only have 10GB of music/books/data.  Not to mention, it is like the iPhone so you can sync it so you won't have everything on it.

Also, renting movies.  You can rent a movie and when you are done, it expires.  No more space taken up.  Bloody brilliant!

I was just joking about buying them for the staff though.

Jan 27, 2010 5:37 pm

Don't get me wrong, I'll be hoping every day that my laptop bites the dust so I can explore the option of the iPad.  I'm hoping the cost comes down a bit though.  It's Apple, so it more than likely will. 



The textbook thing could certainly pay for itself for a college student, or in your case, a doctorate student. 
 
The question I have about it is can it function like a laptop with business applications?  For instance, can I run a Powerpoint presentation on it?  All of the Jones seminar slides come in PPT, so if I could run that in addition to being able to play all of my tunes and download movies, then we're getting somewhere.  Can you run PPT on an iPhone or iPod touch? 
Jan 27, 2010 5:56 pm
iPad - $499

9.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip
1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi)
16GB
Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music
1.5 pounds (.68 kg) Wi-Fi model;

 


 -VS-
 
HP 2140 - $530
10.1" (1024x576 resolution)
Intel Atom N270 (1.60 GHz, 512 KB L2 cache, 533 MHz FSB)
2 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM (one SODIMM slot)
160 GB (5400 or 7200 rpm)
6-cell battery (7 hours 19 minutes)
3.0 lb
miscellaneous features - metal housing
 
 
 

iPad is by far superior. Smaller screen, slower processor, 1/10th the HD. Also missing: keyboard, touchpad, built-in webcam, USB ports, CD-RW / DVD-ROM. Notice: the back of the iPad is curved. Should be fun to type on when it's wobbling back and forth.


At least it does what netbooks can't, like display eBooks, play movies and music.
Jan 27, 2010 6:32 pm
Spaceman Spiff:

Don't get me wrong, I'll be hoping every day that my laptop bites the dust so I can explore the option of the iPad.  I'm hoping the cost comes down a bit though.  It's Apple, so it more than likely will. 


The textbook thing could certainly pay for itself for a college student, or in your case, a doctorate student. 
 
The question I have about it is can it function like a laptop with business applications?  For instance, can I run a Powerpoint presentation on it?  All of the Jones seminar slides come in PPT, so if I could run that in addition to being able to play all of my tunes and download movies, then we're getting somewhere.  Can you run PPT on an iPhone or iPod touch? 



Keynote is superior to PPT.  You should let the Jones GPs know that they need to switch all of the offices to Mac.    But, you can always convert the PPT to Keynote.  You will lose transitions, but there shouldn't be too many for Jones presentations.

As for the lack of USB ports, I never really use USB.  The purpose of the thing is not to replace a desktop or laptop, but to make some things portable.  Think about it for a second.  You are going on a biz trip.  You can take the 1.5lb iPad, with a Keynote presentation that you need to give.  While you are at it, you can edit a proposal in Pages, read up on the people you are presenting to on the plane, surf the net, video chat with your kids, listen to some good music while you sleep, etc.

Or you can tote around an 8 - 10lb laptop that has more than you need AND a portable storage device because you've overloaded your PC or Mac with info.

I'm sorry guys - I think it's revolutionary.

Jan 27, 2010 6:36 pm

It has absolutely no revolutionary features.

Jan 27, 2010 6:51 pm
gethardgetraw:

It has absolutely no revolutionary features.



No, but having all of the features it has in one place is revolutionary.

Jan 27, 2010 6:51 pm

I don't see it as revolutionary in features, but rather design - It will be the first tablet that actually will be used. Quick powerup, compared to all windows tablets, as well as an enthusiastic user base will build the product.

Jan 27, 2010 7:30 pm
gethardgetraw:
iPad - $499

9.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip
1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi)
16GB
Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music
1.5 pounds (.68 kg) Wi-Fi model;

 


 -VS-
 
HP 2140 - $530
10.1" (1024x576 resolution)
Intel Atom N270 (1.60 GHz, 512 KB L2 cache, 533 MHz FSB)
2 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM (one SODIMM slot)
160 GB (5400 or 7200 rpm)
6-cell battery (7 hours 19 minutes)
3.0 lb
miscellaneous features - metal housing
 
 
 

iPad is by far superior. Smaller screen, slower processor, 1/10th the HD. Also missing: keyboard, touchpad, built-in webcam, USB ports, CD-RW / DVD-ROM. Notice: the back of the iPad is curved. Should be fun to type on when it's wobbling back and forth.


At least it does what netbooks can't, like display eBooks, play movies and music.



Your legs are curved.  It is a true LAPtop.  Won't wobble at all unless you have it on a table.  And my guess is it won't then either.  My Macbook has a curved bottom just like the iPad and it doesn't wobble.  Nor does the iPhone, especially if you have one of those nifty jimmy hats on it.

Jan 27, 2010 8:47 pm

I hear the iPad has extra absorbancy, and the newer versions come with iSecure wings for extra leakage protection.

Jan 28, 2010 8:14 am

Microsoft Office - sucks.

Apple iWork - awesome.  More intuitive.  More features.  Better integration.  Better visuals.  All around better.

A Mac can do anything a PC can do, just better.  I'm not sure what you mean when you say that they are just trying to be different.  The fact that I've never had a problem with any of the Macs we own is a testament to the durability and reliability.  I still have a G4 from like 6 yrs ago.  Works like a charm.

As for the iPhone, it is not so much that the iPhone itself is so great, but that it is a great platform for the various applications.  I have Kindle on mine and can download books pretty much whenever I want.  The battery seems like it lasts forever.  I email when I want (and the electronic keyboard has auto-correct - I don't know that the blackberry does - it might).  I use the bank application to transfer money between accounts, if I don't know the name of a song, I use Shazamm.  There is a personal assistant app that will answer my phones for me, I can use it as a remote to make my presentations.  I can instantly flip a .pdf opened to my iMac to finish reading it.  I can actually use it to control the TV and cable box in my house.  Some times when I'm bored, I sing into the "I am T-Pain" app.  If I need to ask directions in a foreign country, I have an app that lets me do that.  It turns into a flashlight. I can have lightsaber fights with my daughter.  Want to find a particular restaurant in an unfamiliar city - app for that.

I have learned to play the piano on my iPhone while in Drs. Waiting rooms.  Does anybody else have a phone that can do that?

I think it's ok to hate Apple because it can sometimes be hard to transition.  But really, most Apple stuff is pretty intuitive.  Microsoft makes everything as complicated as possible.  We were visiting my parents at Christmas, and my Dad had picked up a new laptop, complete with Windows 7.  Ease of use, I'll give it a 4. 

Also Ice - you don't have kids, so you've never had to hear the dreaded, "When are we going to be there".  iPhone/iTouch is the best kid's playmate there is.  Here you go kiddo.  Also, I have empirical evidence that it cuts down on the need to go to the bathroom every thirty minutes.

iTunes - who cares?  It's a great platform to put all of the crap you can put on your iphone or ipad.

And are you telling me you never wanted to bang a hot Goth chick?  If you are, you're lying.

Jan 28, 2010 9:27 am
I own a Mac; not terribly impressed with it. When it freezes, there's no comparable tool to ctrl alt del to stop a backround process. Numbers isn't nearly as friendly as Excel, and I'm pretty well skilled with Excel.
 
The goofy gadgets - lightsabers? really? - don't mean a thing to me. Apple products cost more for the same productivity.
 
But ... they make the most elegant tools.
Jan 28, 2010 10:27 am
iceco1d:

 

Apple is the computer industry version of Goth.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

 
Love the quote, love Maddox's page.  Alphabet of Manliness left a bit to be desired, unfortunately.
Jan 28, 2010 10:59 am
iceco1d:
Moraen:

Microsoft Office - sucks.

 
Care to elaborate?  I think Excel & Word are pretty da*n easy to use.

When I had a nice fat corporate job, I used to teach Excel (admittedly it's come along since then).  However, we do have a PC laptop with Windows on it.  Nothing but Microsoft products on there.  It was used originally just for Fidelity Advisor Channel (but since I can put it on my Mac, don't need it).  Both programs crash all of the time.


Apple iWork - awesome.  More intuitive.  More features.  Better integration.  Better visuals.  All around better.
 
I think the iWork vs Office thing is a matter of preference...I don't see how iWork has more features, better integration, or more visuals though. 

Ok.  I've done PPT's and I've done Keynotes.  Keynotes flow better, can integrate video better (no delay).  The graphs are cleaner, etc.  Also, I know that you can do the same thing in Excel (it takes longer), but I wrote the models I use for my security selection program in about thirty minutes.  I have done similar things through Excel and it has taken me hours. 

But I will agree that I guess it is preference.  Or the unwillingness to try new things.  I'm always trying to get my wife to try new things....

A Mac can do anything a PC can do, just better.  I'm not sure what you mean when you say that they are just trying to be different. 
 
Switch the order of the "Maximize, Minimize, and Close" buttons at the top of a window.  No right click mouse button, when you CLEARLY want the features of a right click button.  Those are the 2 most annoying.

What?  I'm not sure I get it.  You click on the right side of the mouse and it works just like a right click, so I'm unsure of what you are talking about.  As for the miniminze maximize close buttons, who cares.  All I need to do is touch the sides of my mouse and I can see all windows I have open and pick which one I want.  A lot easier to move between programs.


 
The fact that I've never had a problem with any of the Macs we own is a testament to the durability and reliability.  I still have a G4 from like 6 yrs ago.  Works like a charm.

My home computer (PC - Desktop) has a 2.2 Ghz Athlon 64 and 1 GB  of RAM.  I'm not sure how old it is, but I'm guessing at least 3 or 4 years?  Works great.

Every PC I have ever had has crashed.  As for your colored wheel of death.  It has happened a few times.  Usually because I haven't downloaded the updates.  But I did have one annoying instance where my iMac froze.  I took it to the Mac store, they said the hard drive was trashed, transferred my files and gave me a new one in one hour.


As for the iPhone, it is not so much that the iPhone itself is so great, but that it is a great platform for the various applications. 
 
Which exist because of marketing.  Read the link I posted.  True, and humorous.

It doesn't really matter why it exists, just that it does.

 
I have Kindle on mine and can download books pretty much whenever I want.  The battery seems like it lasts forever.  I email when I want (and the electronic keyboard has auto-correct - I don't know that the blackberry does - it might).  I use the bank application to transfer money between accounts, if I don't know the name of a song, I use Shazamm.  There is a personal assistant app that will answer my phones for me, I can use it as a remote to make my presentations.  I can instantly flip a .pdf opened to my iMac to finish reading it.  I can actually use it to control the TV and cable box in my house.  Some times when I'm bored, I sing into the "I am T-Pain" app.  If I need to ask directions in a foreign country, I have an app that lets me do that.  It turns into a flashlight. I can have lightsaber fights with my daughter.  Want to find a particular restaurant in an unfamiliar city - app for that.
 
Got a Garmin? 

I do have a Garmin - I just tried singing a "T-pain song".  It didn't work.

I have learned to play the piano on my iPhone while in Drs. Waiting rooms.  Does anybody else have a phone that can do that?
 
Do they make an app that will remind you to stop trying to catch bullets with your face on CODMW2?  If so, you win.  iPhone pwns. 

No, but I bet they could come up with one pretty quickly.    Dude I was getting destroyed last night.  I think a bunch of guys who play together a lot were playing, and I kept getting Melissa what's her name's ex-lovers with their gimp arms on my team.  I was number 1 for times in a row and only had at most eight kills.  We got slaughtered.


I think it's ok to hate Apple because it can sometimes be hard to transition.  But really, most Apple stuff is pretty intuitive.  Microsoft makes everything as complicated as possible.  We were visiting my parents at Christmas, and my Dad had picked up a new laptop, complete with Windows 7.  Ease of use, I'll give it a 4. 

Also Ice - you don't have kids, so you've never had to hear the dreaded, "When are we going to be there".  iPhone/iTouch is the best kid's playmate there is.  Here you go kiddo.  Also, I have empirical evidence that it cuts down on the need to go to the bathroom every thirty minutes.

iTunes - who cares?  It's a great platform to put all of the crap you can put on your iphone or ipad.

And are you telling me you never wanted to bang a hot Goth chick?  If you are, you're lying.
 
Didn't I tell you the story about why the cleaning lady quit?


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I didn't know she was a goth chick!  That's awesome dude.

Jan 29, 2010 7:12 am

Dearest mlgone,

I am upset and appalled that you would think that I would ever cheat on you with anybody other than that Melissa chick.  It hurts me to my core.

Ice is just a friend - really.  I promise.  No you can't check my text messages. .. - give me my phone! 

Oh wait, that's not my phone... uh, that's my buddy's.

Kind regards,

Moraen

Jan 29, 2010 10:05 am
mlgone:

I knew it!





Don't act like you are innocent in all of this - you got fat after having the kids!



Jan 29, 2010 10:37 am
iceco1d:

Sonofabitch.  I thought I was going to get my man card back today, and now I just don't think it's going to happen. 




 
MLG, you should consider joining our group...playing Modern Warfare 2 and see who's banged the most cleaning ladies.  Spiff already applied, but said his wife wouldn't let him get a 360, so he couldn't join.   
 
Come to think of it, I should definitely get my man card back. 



And you think I'm whipped?!

My wife bought the damn thing for me.

Hey Spiff - Need to use some of that LP dough and get a 360.

Jan 29, 2010 11:46 am
My wife and I have never quite agreed on the gaming thing.  She sees it as a waste of time.  I see it as therapy.  It's much less therapeutic if I just go out and buy the thing and have to get the stink eye the whole time I'm playing it.   
 
I'm spending my LP dollars on an HDTV right now (I don't have a ton of LP).  Best Buy had a 3 year no interest deal that I couldn't pass up.  When that's done I'll move to the PS3.  Or when my DVD player goes on the fritz.  She doesn't understand the draw to BluRay either.  
 
Question - I've never played a 360 - don't know anything about them.  What would be the advantage to a 360 over a PS3?  Other than the obvious team membership on the Ice/Moraen team?
Jan 29, 2010 11:47 am
Spaceman Spiff:

I agree.  I'm spending my LP dollars on an HDTV right now.  When that's done I'll move to the PS3.  

Question - I've never played a 360 - don't know anything about them.  What would be the advantage to a 360 over a PS3?  Other than the obvious team membership on the Ice/Moraen team?



Do you need another advantage?

Really, nothing.  Unless you like playing Halo.  I can't think of a reason to own an Xbox other than that.  I wish she had gotten me a PS3.