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Jul 10, 2006 6:10 pm

I recently participated in a phone interview with EDJ and just now recieved my letter saying I would not be considered for this position.  Granted I have no financial background (BS in Biology), I have been in multiple different sales positions on an entry level basis and am extremely interested in breaking into this business.  I'm young, driven, and have been loyal to my previous employees. 


So I ask this question, is there any way to convince them to give me another shot at this position?  I was extremely nervous on my phone interview but the local IR seemingly loved what I brought to the table.  Any help would be appreciated.

Jul 10, 2006 6:20 pm

Bummer to not get an offer from a place that is routinely disparaged as willing to hire anybody who can make a mirror fog up.


Go sell something else for awhile-get some seasoning.  If you've got a degree in biology see if you can't catch on as a medical supplies salesman--or perhaps catch on with one of the drug companies.


I have a great friend whose daughter sells for Pfizer, or Merck, or somebody like that.  She's earning a hell of a good living for a 27 year old.


This is not a business for young people and what happened to you today is a blessing.  You'll have to take my word for it, but it is.

Jul 10, 2006 6:24 pm

Do you have any ideas why you were turned down? Are you a job hopper? - They don't like to see that. They will be investing a good deal of money in your training, they won't do it if they think you will jump ship soon after hiring.


Have your jobs in sales always successfully brought you more in commission with each position? - They want to see you are capable in your earning potential, in sales positions.


Do you have any skeletons in your closet? - We recruited a guy who seemingly had it all. He was turned down flat after a background check. Why? He was a deadbeat dad - wanted for back child support and domestic violence.


I know within our region if the recruiting IR really was willing to "go to bat" for you he/she could talk to the regional "growth captain" about your capabilities. Regional growth captains can sometimes help out to get you another phone interview. Maybe if RGC talks to you and "gets your vibe" he/she can then talk maybe elevate your case to regional leader....etc.


If you really want it...Go back. Keep trying. We had a few Vets in our region who were told at first try, "no thanks". There are other options. Maybe you can be a BOA, maybe if you want to relocate, you can be an intern in STL. Good Luck!

Jul 10, 2006 6:28 pm
Devoted SA:

Do you have any ideas why you were turned down? Are you a job hopper? - They don't like to see that. They will be investing a good deal of money in your training, they won't do it if they think you will jump ship soon after hiring.


Have your jobs in sales always successfully brought you more in commission with each position? - They want to see you are capable in your earning potential, in sales positions.


Do you have any skeletons in your closet? - We recruited a guy who seemingly had it all. He was turned down flat after a background check. Why? He was a deadbeat dad - wanted for back child support and domestic violence.


I know within our region if the recruiting IR really was willing to "go to bat" for you he/she could talk to the regional "growth captain" about your capabilities. Regional growth captains can sometimes help out to get you another phone interview. Maybe if RGC talks to you and "gets your vibe" he/she can then talk maybe elevate your case to regional leader....etc.


If you really want it...Go back. Keep trying. We had a few Vets in our region who were told at first try, "no thanks". There are other options. Maybe you can be a BOA, maybe if you want to relocate, you can be an intern in STL. Good Luck!

Jul 10, 2006 6:30 pm
brock:

Do you have any skeletons in your closet? - We recruited a guy who seemingly had it all. He was turned down flat after a background check. Why? He was a deadbeat dad - wanted for back child support and domestic violence.



What?  You mean that that would not be a positive at a boiler room?

Jul 10, 2006 6:33 pm

Sorry about the quote, this message board is different than any other I've been on.  I'm only 25, so my selling experience consists of bartending/serving and retail, not a commission based background.  I've been very loyal to all of my employers but most have been menial jobs so I wouldn't think leaving Wal-Mart or a summer job would be that detrimental.  Luckily I have a fall back option in a biotech company and would be given the ability to go to school for an MBA.  I have not totally given up this position in my mind so I may call my local IR that I met with and see what options he thinks could be available.  I appreciate all the help I can get.  Thanks to all.

Jul 10, 2006 7:38 pm
NASD Newbie:
brock:

Do you have any skeletons in your closet? - We recruited a guy who seemingly had it all. He was turned down flat after a background check. Why? He was a deadbeat dad - wanted for back child support and domestic violence.



What?  You mean that that would not be a positive at a boiler room?



It was very funny - we were GUNG HO to recruit for Jones. Thought this was a great fit and a nice guy to boot. Got the rejection wire from hiring department that asks..."do you want to challenge this rejection?" (more or less) My rep responds...YES!!


5 mins later she gets call from sales hiring..."um yeah, he was arrested for battering his wife, had filed bankruptcy 1 yr ago, and has 7 yrs unpaid child support - do you still stand behind him?"


Joe Schmo...what was his name? Lesson learned. Go to bat for no one.

Jul 10, 2006 7:42 pm

No skeletons in the closet here.  Couple speeding tickets but thats about it.  I will get this job, some how some way.

Jul 10, 2006 7:57 pm
brock:

No skeletons in the closet here.  Couple speeding tickets but thats about it.  I will get this job, some how some way.



Brock, you don't want the job.  Have you not been reading all the scorn being heaped on Jones.


Why would you want the job anyway?


Go sell drugs for Pfizer--do it for five years and then Merrill Lynch will hire you, you won't have to waste time with Jones or any other second tier choice.

Jul 10, 2006 10:55 pm

old dino you muct be bipolar as you sound lucid for once.


Brock, the old sod is correct for once. If you can hook up with one of the big pharma firms as a sales rep you will get a great sales education and definately a much better first year income than at jones town.

Jul 10, 2006 11:35 pm

Brock.... Jones did you a huge favor.  Don't worry about it, I was in  your shoes once.  It was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Now I work for MS taking money away from Jones. 


This business is extremely tough, but if you want to break in... Apply Everywhere.  Even the banks.  Some one will give you a shot.

Jul 11, 2006 12:45 am

Thanks to everyone that responded.  I'm looking into an MBA program that would better qualify me for a position in this field so that when I do jump in, I'll be ready. 

Jul 11, 2006 8:38 am

they will hire anyone!! especially for diversity. An IR friend of mine who helps out interviewing for Jones recently interviewed an indian who could barely speak english wearing the worst clothes. The IR reported back to St. Louis that he was a nice guy but probably wouldn't be a good fit because of the language barrier. Jones hired him. Real story.

Jul 11, 2006 5:04 pm

Seriously, an MBA may not be a huge help in this industry.  Managers basically want to see a few gray hairs on your head, not letters after your name. 


Jones, however, they pretty much just look for a pulse (in re ezmoney's post)

Jul 11, 2006 5:16 pm
ezmoney:

they will hire anyone!! especially for diversity. An IR friend of mine who helps out interviewing for Jones recently interviewed an indian who could barely speak english wearing the worst clothes. The IR reported back to St. Louis that he was a nice guy but probably wouldn't be a good fit because of the language barrier. Jones hired him. Real story.


A reality of this business is that there is a need to hire certain ethnic groups in order to penetrate that group.


A kid named Josh can beat his head against the wall all day long and some guy named Balbier is not going to trust him with his money.


There is another cold harsh reality.  The Indians are taking over our high paying jobs because native born kids--Jason and Jennifer--are too stupid to know how to figure out what needs to be figured out.


Walk down the street in a business district and note the faces from the Subcontinent.  Note the number of Indian restaurants.  I'd much rather hire one 40 year old guy in a turban than five Jonathan and Kristins.

Jul 11, 2006 6:00 pm
entrylevelFA:

Jones, however, they pretty much just look for a pulse (in re ezmoney's post)



It's been awhile since I took a logic course but let give it a try here.


Jones will hire anyone with a pulse or who can fog a mirror.  Jones would not hire brock.  Brock is a vampire.


Is my logic flawless?

Jul 11, 2006 6:04 pm

corrected first sentance:


It's been awhile since I took a logic course but let me give it a try here.



It's funny that I feel a need to do this in this forum.  I also proof read all my post before I hit submit.  Missed this on though.

Jul 11, 2006 6:06 pm

Damn my corrected post is worse then my first post.  I give up.  Goodnight.

Jul 11, 2006 6:09 pm
Maxstud:

Damn my corrected post is worse then my first post.  I give up.  Goodnight.


You get an A for effort.

Jul 11, 2006 7:57 pm
NASD Newbie:
ezmoney:

they will hire anyone!! especially for diversity. An IR friend of mine who helps out interviewing for Jones recently interviewed an indian who could barely speak english wearing the worst clothes. The IR reported back to St. Louis that he was a nice guy but probably wouldn't be a good fit because of the language barrier. Jones hired him. Real story.


A reality of this business is that there is a need to hire certain ethnic groups in order to penetrate that group.


A kid named Josh can beat his head against the wall all day long and some guy named Balbier is not going to trust him with his money.


There is another cold harsh reality.  The Indians are taking over our high paying jobs because native born kids--Jason and Jennifer--are too stupid to know how to figure out what needs to be figured out.


Walk down the street in a business district and note the faces from the Subcontinent.  Note the number of Indian restaurants.  I'd much rather hire one 40 year old guy in a turban than five Jonathan and Kristins.



I was top of my class in my University's finance program and am a white, middle-class male.  The next 9 students were Kenyan, Indian, or Pakistani.  NASDNewbie is absolutely correct...a lot of the American finance students (small school, 150-200 in finance program) had either A) Cheated their way through high school math and were subsequently unable to do compute answers in quant. B)Skipped class to go to the bar while they pushed group work off on the foreign students C) Changed their majors to Marketing when they realized Finance wasn't a blow off subject.


My point is, and I think NASDNewbie will agree, my generation (early 20's), all the way up to generation X, we're all lazy.  Not to mention this Indian man can probably sell a boat load of services to Indians in the neighborhood.  If I weren't in the business, I'd be more leary of NASD's 'Jonathan' example than an Indian man.