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Jun 3, 2008 7:19 pm

I apparently sent up a red-flag with compliance for EDJ on my resume or application because of my Dates for College (not a degree or anything just putting attend dates). I put the start date as the date I first ENROLLED with the comunity college because I actually signed up for classes and took entrance tests and I had some credits xfered over from HS (from AP classes) but then had to turn around and drop the classes that semester because of work not willing to work with me.

 
Compliance was upset and the lady talked down to me accusing me of lying intentionally basically. I tried explaining to her that I put that date down because I figured it would pop up when they searched the college since I had enrolled and was worried if I put my most recent start date down they would think I was trying to hide classes I dropped out of. (kind of like when you sign up for a new college and they ask ANY schools you enrolled in wether you went to class or not). She kept talking down to me telling me how well "I wouldnt have put that date down, why would you" and ended with well there's nothing you can do to clear this up. I dont know if she had a stick up her arse that day or if thats how she always is, i just kept my cool and didnt want to get into it with her.
 
I told her I wouldnt lie because its not like I even said I got a degree so how would it help and it isnt even relevant to the job (since EDJ doesnt require a degree).
 
So any tips on where to go from here...should I just wait 6 months and try again now that I know which dates they will pull from my college or should I press the matter further with someone higher up in compliance (if such a thing exists??) I dont mind waiting 6 months at all (would probably give me more time to save some extra cash) but if there's any other tips from you who have done it I would appreciate it.
 
*And I do understand its my fault for not clarifying the dates more. Just wish she wouldnt have been so demeaning etc. They never asked me to verify my college attend dates all the times I talked to them..they just kept asking about previous work dates, so I figured they didnt care about a few college semesters
Jun 3, 2008 7:27 pm

I would go back and get the degree.

 
You are probably in early 20's, right?  Max 25?  You already have your age going against you, and you're going to double up on that by not having a degree?
 
I understand there have been successful people who haven't graduated college (ie Bill Gates), but he was the extreme exception, not the rule.
Jun 3, 2008 7:31 pm

Yes I am young 22 right now. I am attenting online classes now and will be in the Fall also. This gives me the flexability to still work 55-60 hours a week at my current job but pursue my degree as a full time student. If I work hard I could have my associates by next summer which would be better than nothing I guess. I had planned to continue this even if I was hired at EDJ but I do like your thinking and I have worried about my age but I also know that Age is just a number and it normally doesnt inhibit you unless you let it. Except for the few people you come across who are stubborn.

 
It wont kill me to wait till I have a bachelors to jump into this field but I'm getting sick of retail management lol. Thanks for the input though it's definately taken seriously and in the back of my mind!
Jun 3, 2008 7:39 pm

You would be far better off getting a sales job somewhere for a few years.  You can do that while you get your degree.  Age is much more than "just a number" in this industry...especially if you don't have a degree.  I might as well find a kid getting off his high shcool bus and let him manage my retirement.

 
EDJ rejecting you might be the best thing that could have possibly happened to you.  You will have a better chance of being successful if you take a sales job for a few years, think pharmaceuticals or medical supplies, build your network, than if you would trying to start out as you have foolishly attempted to do so.
Jun 3, 2008 7:44 pm
You work at Jones?  Did we catch you in a little fib?  No wonder she thought you lied about your college dates.  What are you doing recommending anything to anyone on here anyways?
Jun 3, 2008 7:52 pm
 
Your middle part..no Maybe about Smith Barney you're right as well, dont really care about that though. Your middle rant is both unwarranted and a little assinine if you want my oppinion. What you basically said was don't do any research on the investments you offer because you wont be managing their account? Think about how ignorant and stupid that sounds...do you  buy a car from someone who knows nothing about the car or the longevity of it? I sure hope not. Just becase someone is a Sales-man does not mean all they need to know is how to sell. That only works on uniformed and stupid people.
 
Have you NEVER had a client ask you about a particular investment and why they should pick it? If so do you tell them, "call my firms analysts because I'm just a salesman and wont be managing your money".


 
 
 
How do you know?  Have you had any clients call you and ask about their investments?  Please stop posting now, for your sake.  You have no idea how this business works.  You are a neophyte (look it up). 
Jun 3, 2008 7:54 pm
iceco1d:

PWNED! 


How do I take my advice back from earlier?  He doesn't deserve it.
Jun 3, 2008 7:59 pm

you're an idiot you're combining TWO peoples posts..

 
I didnt post "Wow. Why the hate?

I hope you aren't talking about me. I've been pretty fair I think. And I work at Jones.

I just don't think it's the only way. Other than door-knocking, I've never cold called. But door-knocking never worked for me.

You make a good point about the telemarketing companies though. I wonder how the cold calling people will react.... The 'hate' wasnt direct at you AT ALL and isnt even 100%because of this thread, though there is some of the... "
 
I NEVER CLAIMED TO WORK AT JONES..use your eyes before being a prick..thanks though
Jun 3, 2008 8:01 pm

edited because i didnt mess up..u just didnt read  and now i see you can edit after a time period

Jun 3, 2008 8:04 pm

Acutally take that back..i didnt even mess up on quoting..if you open the post instead of doing a search on my name you'll see the quote box around the words you copied...so no mistake on my part besides not proving you wrong better...and WHY wont this forum let you edit posts lol

Jun 3, 2008 8:13 pm
snaggletooth:
 
Your middle part..no Maybe about Smith Barney you're right as well, dont really care about that though. Your middle rant is both unwarranted and a little assinine if you want my oppinion. What you basically said was don't do any research on the investments you offer because you wont be managing their account? Think about how ignorant and stupid that sounds...do you  buy a car from someone who knows nothing about the car or the longevity of it? I sure hope not. Just becase someone is a Sales-man does not mean all they need to know is how to sell. That only works on uniformed and stupid people.
 
Have you NEVER had a client ask you about a particular investment and why they should pick it? If so do you tell them, "call my firms analysts because I'm just a salesman and wont be managing your money".


 
 
 
How do you know?  Have you had any clients call you and ask about their investments?  Please stop posting now, for your sake.  You have no idea how this business works.  You are a neophyte (look it up). 
 
so if you're the all knowing..EXPLAIN to me how 'dont bother researching' is good advice to give to someone who is aspiring to advise people on their finances. Do you sell products you know NOTHING about....I just said its assinine the way he worded it because he wanted to talk down to me is all. Answer those two questions without using a question.
 
O and learn to use the search function before slamming someone on false accusations.
Jun 3, 2008 8:22 pm

umm, i was the guy saying "Wow. I hope you aren't talking about me."

Jun 3, 2008 8:29 pm

1.  Research = you fail.  Prospect and sell = you don't fail.


2.  No.
 
Oh yeah, by the way, I can be a prick if I want to be.  You should take the advice I gave you earlier and run with it...and I don't claim to be "all knowing".
Jun 3, 2008 8:31 pm
snaggletooth:

1.  Research = you fail.  Prospect and sell = you don't fail.


2.  No.
 
Oh yeah, by the way, I can be a prick if I want to be.  You should take the advice I gave you earlier and run with it...and I don't claim to be "all knowing".
 
So the correct answer would be PROSPECT and RESEARCH..not 1 or the other..without the harmony of both you would fail I'd imagine hence why you didnt answer Yes to #2. And obviously prospecting would be the more important factor to begin with
 
And its fine to be a prick but dont accuse me of something I didnt say and slam me for it..claiming im not worthy of your advise afterwards. Just because you didnt open the post you searched for
Jun 3, 2008 8:41 pm
hawse771:
 
So the correct answer would be PROSPECT and RESEARCH..not 1 or the other..without the harmony of both you would fail I'd imagine hence why you didnt answer Yes to #2. And obviously prospecting would be the more important factor to begin with
 
And its fine to be a prick but dont accuse me of something I didnt say and slam me for it..claiming im not worthy of your advise afterwards. Just because you didnt open the post you searched for
 
My full apologies for quoting the wrong post.  I'm a little leery of kids in college giving advice on this forum.
Jun 3, 2008 11:32 pm
snaggletooth:
hawse771:
 
So the correct answer would be PROSPECT and RESEARCH..not 1 or the other..without the harmony of both you would fail I'd imagine hence why you didnt answer Yes to #2. And obviously prospecting would be the more important factor to begin with
 
And its fine to be a prick but dont accuse me of something I didnt say and slam me for it..claiming im not worthy of your advise afterwards. Just because you didnt open the post you searched for
 
My full apologies for quoting the wrong post.  I'm a little leery of kids in college giving advice on this forum.
Understandable but to be honest I wasn't really trying to give anyone advice, was just questioning the advice given to me by IceCold, and given the fact that he's only been a FA for about a Year (I think dont quote me) I didnt see too big of a deal in questioning his somewhat derogatory advice.
 
Jun 4, 2008 5:56 am

Hawse, don't expect to get hired.  Many firms are willing to hire people without college degrees, but that doesn't make it unimportant.  Decent firms are not willing to hire someone without a college degree and without a track record of success.   This is not meant as a put down of you.

Jun 4, 2008 6:41 am

I disagree anon.



But only in this case. He is working towards a degree which shows he's building a track record. I think that if he shows that kind of drive, and is already trying to break into the biz at his age, a firm should be lucky to have him.



IF it's drive and not merely ambition overreaching his grasp - no offense hawse.

Jun 4, 2008 12:03 pm

good point.

Jun 4, 2008 4:44 pm
anonymous:

Hawse, don't expect to get hired.  Many firms are willing to hire people without college degrees, but that doesn't make it unimportant.  Decent firms are not willing to hire someone without a college degree and without a track record of success.   This is not meant as a put down of you.


 
None taken..and to be honest i hadn't expected to get too much interest back from EDJ but was testing the waters and they bit. I probably would do well to atleast finish my associates before diving in.
 
I do have a track record of success though. I'm definately one of the youngest district managers (youngest I've ever met and same thing my vendors say). I am not just a "manager" for some retail store as it sounds when I say tired of retail management. That is just a part of my job, I basically run the entire company with the exception of handling the bill payments. I do all orders, find vendors, negotiate lower prices etc etc. The only person above me is the owner who works maybe 15 hours a week so I can honestly say to prospectant employers I have practically ran a multi-million dollar business for the past 2 years (and worked here for 3 more before that as manager/district manager). While this isnt as good as having a straight up sales job for 5 years I do have sales goals, contests, etc etc so its not completely un-related.
 
IceCold...you do prove a VERY good point with the going to school and working thing but I would never present that scenario to the Firm upfront and would hold off for atleast 6 months before trying add classes onto a new career (and ofcourse with their permission). LMAO at music appreciation because I am actually taking Film Appreciation at the moment (was going to take music) to satisfy the stupid arts elective..kinda eery you mentioned that class
 
Sometimes things happen for a reason..maybe its a good thing I screwed up on the APP and I can get things wrapped up at my current job and get some sort of degree to prop me up. Atleast then I wont be under pressure to go full time every semester while training to be a FA