Importance or Help of Ivy League Degree
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Jeff, what’s your take on the small liberal arts schools in Texas such as Southwestern, Austin College and Trinity?
[/quote]Don’t ask me. I’m from Texas. I’ve actually heard of these schools.
If you look at the value of school from a branding perspective, you want something that will be recognized worldwide (or at least nationally). I’ll bet that most of the people on this forum have never heard of these schools.
If you (or your kid) can get into Trinity, then you can probably get into Rice. Rice will give you the liberal arts education you want and still have national recognition.
But remember that I’m speaking from a broker recruiter’s perspective. Your mileage may vary with other industries.
Jeff, am curious about your recruiting practice. Do you primarily place candidates in Texas/the Southwest only?
Rice is indeed internationally known, and very few have heard of those other schools other than in Texas. Trinity has a good rep, the others I never heard of, either.
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Jeff, am curious about your recruiting practice. Do you primarily place candidates in Texas/the Southwest only?
Rice is indeed internationally known, and very few have heard of those other schools other than in Texas. Trinity has a good rep, the others I never heard of, either.
No. We're nationwide. Our biggest regions are Manhattan, Long Island, Atlanta, New Jersey and Tampa. I'd actually LIKE to develop more of a SouthWest presence.
Southwest Securities is expanding pretty fast in Texas and the SW. There's a headhunter in Houston (name eludes me at present) who has recently placed a few brokers with them.
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Southwest Securities is expanding pretty fast in Texas and the SW. There's a headhunter in Houston (name eludes me at present) who has recently placed a few brokers with them.
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I was discussing the SouthWest region. Not the firm.
I know you were.
Southwest the brokerage firm (SWS) is expanding fairly fast in Texas and other areas in the Southwest and some headhunter down in Houston (again the name eludes me) placed a few Morgan Stanley guys and at least one Merrill one with them last month.
Merrill and MS have some pretty messed up offices in Texas and they make for easy pickings as far as recruiting out of them.
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I know you were.
Southwest the brokerage firm (SWS) is expanding fairly fast in Texas and other areas in the Southwest and some headhunter down in Houston (again the name eludes me) placed a few Morgan Stanley guys and at least one Merrill one with them last month.
[/quote]Aaah. I thought you were referring to me. I used to have a client with a similar name. Not the same firm, tho.
SWS Group tends to do a little bit of everything. I've heard good things about them from friends in Dallas. Thanks for the tip.
I went to St Edwards in Austin Tx nobody ever heard of it until the Dallas Cowboys practiced there a few years ago. Stay away from schools that small. It is hard to find any kind of a job when your school is that small.
[quote=TheLostSoul]I went to St Edwards in Austin Tx nobody ever heard of it until the Dallas Cowboys practiced there a few years ago. Stay away from schools that small. It is hard to find any kind of a job when your school is that small.[/quote]
Yah but if you live on campus it’s only a 5 minute drive to get to the Yellow Rose!
[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=TheLostSoul]I went to St Edwards in Austin Tx nobody ever heard of it until the Dallas Cowboys practiced there a few years ago. Stay away from schools that small. It is hard to find any kind of a job when your school is that small.[/quote]
Yah but if you live on campus it's only a 5 minute drive to get to the Yellow Rose!
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Yellow Rose is on North Lamar. You're thinking if The Red Rose, which was near St. Ed's.
St Edwards in Austin, TX?? Who the fu@k cares!! Give me a break!! If you didn’t go to an ivy league school, and btw I didn’t, but wish my father had enough money to donate so I could, you ain’t sh*t!!!
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[quote=joedabrkr] [quote=TheLostSoul]I went to St Edwards in Austin Tx nobody ever heard of it until the Dallas Cowboys practiced there a few years ago. Stay away from schools that small. It is hard to find any kind of a job when your school is that small.[/quote]
Yah but if you live on campus it’s only a 5 minute drive to get to the Yellow Rose!
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Yellow Rose is on North Lamar. You're thinking if The Red Rose, which was near St. Ed's.
[/quote]You are right. I stand corrected.
If you want to work with reg. firm than it would probably just mean a
quick hire unless you have no people skills. If you want to work for a
Goldman Sachs than you would have to get an ivy league education or
something on that level.
St Edwards in Austin, TX?? Who the fu@k cares!! Give me a break!! If you didn't go to an ivy league school, and btw I didn't, but wish my father had enough money to donate so I could, you ain't sh*t!!!!!
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As usual, EZ has absolutely nothing to contribute. Imagine that..
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I went to a very small Catholic school in Western Pennsylvania. Trust me I know what it is like.
It is very hard when the interviewer has never heard of your school. You just have to improvise. If you can maintain control of the interview, that is all that matters.
And as far as clientele go, I think your track record and other references will pull more weight ..
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Just what I have seen so far..
[quote=rook4123]If you want to work with reg. firm than it would probably just mean a
quick hire unless you have no people skills. If you want to work for a
Goldman Sachs than you would have to get an ivy league education or
something on that level.
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Actually, this common myth has already been discussed. I’ve met fellow Baylor alums who work at Goldman Sachs. The private banks do not focus on just the eight Ivy League schools, or just on the top 10 business schools.
The Ivy League is a sports league. It was originally four schools-- Harvard, Yale, Cornell and Penn. The “ivy” comes from the roman numerals that represent the number 4: I V. That’s it --pretty simple. I agree that Goldman Sachs does recruit MBA’s from other nationally recognized schools, but a majority of them are from Ivy’s and the 10. (BTW, the hiring process is long and very rigorous—I had 5 rounds, including a trip to the headquarters in NYC, over the course of 2.5 months, that consisted of almost 25 interviews) This is more so because of the GS brand and their assumption that these schools will have more successful, more affluent alumni, and that if you can gain access to them, that they will be more inclined to do business with you if you have the same Alma Mater. I have found this to be very true, at least in my experience. Goldman’s account minimum is $10million, although they are trying to get more in the $2-$5mill market, simply because it is silly to ignore them. The minimum is not due to an eliteism, but is because it really takes that much money to access to some of the best products and platforms that Goldman and the External managers offer. Anyway, sorry if this post is too long and not informative enough, I just thought I would contribute a little.