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Jun 7, 2005 2:28 pm

[quote=Put Trader] [quote=Starka]

Intellectual maturity?  I have my own opinion there as well.  You see, while you're spending your time reading 10,000 reports, I've been working with active brokers. 

Naturally, my take is somewhat different from yours.  But as you've so rightly observed, what do you know?

[/quote]

Tell me something.  Why do you soldiers continually insist that your commanders don't know what it's like to be a soldier?

I was in production for six years--is that not enough time to learn what it's like to be in production?  Is that not enough time to learn what it's like to "smile and dial" or conduct a seminar?

That you have been in production for a few years, but know nothing about the rest of the business does not trump my experience of being in production for a number of years and also rotating into and out of a series of other jobs.

Get back with me when you've been around for thirty years at the branch, regional and home-office levels.
[/quote]

Perhaps he'd rather succeed at the money making part of the industry and not have to grab onto an office role to stay in the business.....

Jun 7, 2005 2:29 pm

Start with civility, and work out from there.  (Here’s a hint…you’re seemingly ignorant of most of the things that we consider virtues.  You can stop when you get to the "Z"s.)

Jun 7, 2005 2:31 pm

[quote=Starka]

Wow.  Six whole years, huh? 

Regarding your quaint military analogy, you should know that real commanders must earn respect, and from you've posted to date, frankly, you don't know how.

[/quote]

I find it interesting that Put always goes back to that flawed analogy. It was always my experience that soldiers don't make that sort of "he doesn't know how to be a soldier" comment about Officers they respect..... 

Jun 7, 2005 2:32 pm

[quote=stanwbrown] 
<>

Perhaps he’d rather succeed at the money making part of
the industry and not have to grab onto an office role to stay in
the business…</>[/quote]



What do you know about me that allows you to conclude that I had to "grab onto an office role?"



Why do all of you who never advanced sit there and sneer that you didn’t want to advance.



Are you really such losers that you entered the business with no ambition?



Did you really go home and tell your wife, "Guess what Honey, I have
been hired to be a stock broker and in thirty years I hope I have not
made it into a leadership role?"



Tell me Stan, how long does one have to stay in production before they
can learn what it’s all about?  What do you think you know that I
don’t?

Jun 7, 2005 2:33 pm

[quote=Put Trader][quote=Starka]C'mon now, Put.  Surely you don't expect anyone to believe that one as ignorant as you has reached the lofty perch that you claim without any help from your betters![/quote]

Ignorant?  OF what?


[/quote]

Of most everything from how to treat people with skin that's not the same color as your own to how to deal with market setbacks. I'd put you in the "right 15% of the time" category. That's about as accurate as a broken clock.

Jun 7, 2005 2:34 pm

[quote=Starka]Start with civility, and work out from there. 
(Here’s a hint…you’re seemingly ignorant of most of the things that
we consider virtues.  You can stop when you get to the
"Z"s.)[/quote]



Virtues?  Such as?

Jun 7, 2005 2:35 pm

[quote=Put Trader] [quote=stanwbrown]  <>
Perhaps he'd rather succeed at the money making part of the industry and not have to grab onto an office role to stay in the business.....[/quote]

What do you know about me that allows you to conclude that I had to "grab onto an office role?"

Why do all of you who never advanced sit there and sneer that you didn't want to advance.

[/quote]

Some how I don't include a smaller pay check, having to worry about light bills and a loss of personal freedom in my description of "advance".

Jun 7, 2005 2:37 pm

[quote=stanwbrown]<>Of most everything from how to treat people with
skin that’s not the same color as your own to how to deal with market
setbacks. I’d put you in the “right 15% of the time” category. That’s
about as accurate as a broken clock.</>[/quote]



Perhaps you can cite how I am ignorant regarding how to treat others?



How to deal with market setbacks?  What in the world does that mean, and why do you think I don’t know how to do it?

Jun 7, 2005 2:42 pm

[quote=stanwbrown]

Some how I don't include a smaller pay check, having to worry about light bills and a loss of personal freedom in my description of "advance".

[/quote]

Smaller paycheck?  Not compared to somebody like you--if you were truly a big hitter you'd have zero, as in ZERO, time for this forum.

You're sitting out there as a journeyman broker--doing enough to not get fired and bitching about unfair everything is.  You're like the Marlon Brando character muttering, "I usta be a c**tenda."

As for worrying about the light bill--sure branch mangers notice the light bill, but they hardly worry about it.  Every big hitter I've ever known had a lot more to "worry" about than the manager of their office.  Another reality that paints you as a wannabe.

Personal freedom?  Every big hitter I've ever known was "always on."  Oh sure they may be playing golf, but their mind is back at the office wondering what is going on.  That you have so much idle time is proof positive that you're just barely hanging on.
Jun 7, 2005 2:44 pm

[quote=Put Trader] [quote=stanwbrown]<>Of most everything from how to treat people with skin that's not the same color as your own to how to deal with market setbacks. I'd put you in the "right 15% of the time" category. That's about as accurate as a broken clock.[/quote]

Perhaps you can cite how I am ignorant regarding how to treat others?<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[/quote]

Do I have to explain that to a guy who wouldn't hire a minority? To a guy that insults everyone under 40 with blanket, ignorant stereotypes? Then again, if you're that dimwitted, perhaps I do.....

[quote=Put Trader]
How to deal with market setbacks?  What in the world does that mean, and why do you think I don't know how to do it?
[/quote]

I'm just thinking back to your ridiculous comments about how the past five years has been an easy market for reps to work in and an easy one for clients to understand and absolve their advisors of blame. There's no need to review your laughable theories in detail.

No, Put, you serve as a classic example of a guy who couldn’t cut it in production, still holds a grudge against those who can and has convinced himself that a smaller paycheck and a forced  entry into the management rat race is an “advancement”.

 In the dictionary, next to “bitter”, you’ll find your picture.

Jun 7, 2005 2:50 pm

[quote=Put Trader][quote=Starka]Start with civility, and work out from there.  (Here's a hint...you're seemingly ignorant of most of the things that we consider virtues.  You can stop when you get to the "Z"s.)[/quote]

Virtues?  Such as?
[/quote]

Just as I suspected...you don't even know what civilized people consider virtues.

Evaporate, slime.  I'm finished abusing you.

Jun 7, 2005 3:00 pm

[quote=Put Trader] [quote=stanwbrown] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Some how I don't include a smaller pay check, having to worry about light bills and a loss of personal freedom in my description of "advance".

[/quote]

Smaller paycheck?  Not compared to somebody like you--if you were truly a big hitter you'd have zero, as in ZERO, time for this forum.

[/quote]

Well, Ms. Cleo, the world has changed since your brief stint actually making money for your firm. This is no longer a transactional business. That's changes the dynamics in ways dinosaurs don't/can't understand. But, let me help you here. I take home a larger check than my management does up through the regional level. But thanks for worrying about me.

[quote=Put Trader]
You're sitting out there as a journeyman broker--doing enough to not get fired and bitching about unfair everything is.  You're like the Marlon Brando character muttering, "I usta be a c**tenda."

[/quote]

LOL, you're delusional, Captain Queeg. I doubt I've ever even used the word "unfair" here. If you can find an example of me demonstrating a negative attitude about the industry I'm happy to be in and the wonderful life it's allowed me to live, post it. Otherwise I'll chalk up this latest off-track outburst to the same cause as all your others.

[quote=Put Trader]

As for worrying about the light bill--sure branch mangers notice the light bill, but they hardly worry about it.  Every big hitter I've ever known had a lot more to "worry" about than the manager of their office.  Another reality that paints you as a wannabe.

[/quote]

Nah, they worry about light bills, phone bills, hiring a new receptionist, the cleaning crew, etc. And they do all that worrying after I've left for the day.  I worry about my clients and helping them achieve their goals, which is what I entered the industry to do.


[quote=Put Trader]
Personal freedom?  Every big hitter I've ever known was "always on."  Oh sure they may be playing golf, but their mind is back at the office wondering what is going on.  That you have so much idle time is proof positive that you're just barely hanging on.
[/quote]

Wrong again, Pops. While I do worry about clients and I'm always "on" when business can be done or gained, I live where I want, I work with clients I want to work with and no one's going to call me in the middle of the week and tell me my continued livelihood depends on me packing up my life and all my worldly possession and moving from the paradise I love to East Podunk to baby-sit a gaggle of ego-inflated reps who just lost their manager to the local Mailbox Inc store.

Jun 7, 2005 3:04 pm

[quote=stanwbrown]

<o:p></o:p>

Do I have to explain that to a guy who wouldn't hire a minority? To a guy that insults everyone under 40 with blanket, ignorant stereotypes? Then again, if you're that dimwitted, perhaps I do.....

[/quote]

You're right I would be very reluctant to hire a minority who did not have personal fame going for himself.  People in Oklahoma would do business with JC Watts because he's a football hero, if he were not he would not make it as a retail broker.

The ranks of former stock brokers are filled with blacks who were hired in some sort of bold experiment that failed.

That you do not appreciate that message because it offends your polictally correct senses does not change that reality.

Even when a black "makes it" they really don't make it in the sense that a white guy who made it achieved.

I know, I know---Stan O'Neal, blah, blah, blah.  He came up through investment banking not retail brokerage so the argument is specious.

[quote=stanwbrown]

I'm just thinking back to your ridiculous comments about how the past five years has been an easy market for reps to work in and an easy one for clients to understand and absolve their advisors of blame. There's no need to review your laughable theories in detail.

No, Put, you serve as a classic example of a guy who couldn’t cut it in production, still holds a grudge against those who can and has convinced himself that a smaller paycheck and a forced  entry into the management rat race is an “advancement”.

In the dictionary, next to “bitter”, you’ll find your picture.

[/quote]

Bitter?  Nah, turn over to the L's and look up "Living Large."

What about my story allows you to conclude that I couldn't make it in production?

What about my story causes you to conclude that I made a "forced entry into the management rat race?"  Do you believe that Stan O'Neal was forced to take his role at Merrill--is that how you see it, everybody who achieved both financial and career success was forced from the ranks of financial success but no opportunity to look back at doing interesting things?

As for the last five years.  The only investors who are still hopelessly behind the eight ball are those with morons as their advisors.  What's wrong Stan, you were not bright enough to know not to put all of your client's eggs in the Nasdaq?
Jun 7, 2005 3:12 pm

[quote=Starka]

Just as I suspected…you don’t even know what civilized people consider virtues.

Evaporate, slime.  I'm finished abusing you.

[/quote]

If I had said that you had no virtues I would go on to explain what I meant by virtues.

Are you not bright enough to do the same thing?
Jun 7, 2005 3:21 pm

[quote=stanwbrown]

<o:p></o:p>

Well, Ms. Cleo, the world has changed since your brief stint actually making money for your firm. This is no longer a transactional business. That's changes the dynamics in ways dinosaurs don't/can't understand. But, let me help you here. I take home a larger check than my management does up through the regional level. But thanks for worrying about me.

[/quote]

You have no idea what your manager makes, much less how much your regional manager is paid.

On the other hand, we know how much those of your ilk earn.  I repeat, a really big hitter does not have time to "hang" with rookies on an Internet message board.


[quote=stanwbrown]

Nah, they worry about light bills, phone bills, hiring a new receptionist, the cleaning crew, etc. And they do all that worrying after I've left for the day.  I worry about my clients and helping them achieve their goals, which is what I entered the industry to do.

[/quote]

Do you really think that a branch manager "worries" about the utility bills, or looks at them and sends them in to be paid?

As for hiring a receptionist or engaging a cleaning service.  How often do you suppose those duties cross their mind?  And when they do do you suppose they worry abou them?

<>[quote=stanwbrown] <o:p></o:p>

Wrong again, Pops. While I do
worry about clients and I’m always “on” when business can be done or
gained, I live where I want, I work with clients I want to work with
and no one’s going to call me in the middle of the week and tell me my
continued livelihood depends on me packing up my life and all my
worldly possession and moving from the paradise I love to East Podunk
to baby-sit a gaggle of ego-inflated reps who just lost their manager
to the local Mailbox Inc store.</>

 [/quote]


East Podunk?  I ended up in New York City, not East Podunk.  Something that is common to underachievers is an inability to grasp the true opportunities as they present themselves.


As for packing a U-Haul with your CD collection and moving somewhere else--had you done that a day might have arrived when it would take an entire moving van to haul your stuff away.

Jun 7, 2005 3:26 pm

[quote=Put Trader] [quote=stanwbrown]

Well, Ms. Cleo, the world has changed since your brief stint actually making money for your firm. This is no longer a transactional business. That's changes the dynamics in ways dinosaurs don't/can't understand. But, let me help you here. I take home a larger check than my management does up through the regional level. But thanks for worrying about me.

[/quote]

You have no idea what your manager makes, much less how much your regional manager is paid.

I had a pretty good idea of both, which is why I happily fired the whole lot of them and went indy!

On the other hand, we know how much those of your ilk earn.  I repeat, a really big hitter does not have time to "hang" with rookies on an Internet message board.


[quote=stanwbrown]

Nah, they worry about light bills, phone bills, hiring a new receptionist, the cleaning crew, etc. And they do all that worrying after I've left for the day.  I worry about my clients and helping them achieve their goals, which is what I entered the industry to do.

[/quote]

Do you really think that a branch manager "worries" about the utility bills, or looks at them and sends them in to be paid?

As for hiring a receptionist or engaging a cleaning service.  How often do you suppose those duties cross their mind?  And when they do do you suppose they worry abou them?

<>[quote=stanwbrown]
Wrong again, Pops. While I do worry about clients and I'm always "on" when business can be done or gained, I live where I want, I work with clients I want to work with and no one's going to call me in the middle of the week and tell me my continued livelihood depends on me packing up my life and all my worldly possession and moving from the paradise I love to East Podunk to baby-sit a gaggle of ego-inflated reps who just lost their manager to the local Mailbox Inc store.

 [/quote]


East Podunk?  I ended up in New York City, not East Podunk.  Something that is common to underachievers is an inability to grasp the true opportunities as they present themselves.


As for packing a U-Haul with your CD collection and moving somewhere else--had you done that a day might have arrived when it would take an entire moving van to haul your stuff away.

[/quote]
Jun 7, 2005 7:12 pm

I studied for 5 weeks and I took the 1 week class.  Passed with a 75%. 

PUT, THAT IS NOT A MORON THAT IS A REGISTERED REP!!!!!

My instructor of the class, who knows more than Put, said that a 70 is all you need, and I agree.

Jun 7, 2005 8:29 pm

[quote=maybeeeeeeee]

I studied for 5 weeks and I took the 1 week class.  Passed with a 75%. 

PUT, THAT IS NOT A MORON THAT IS A REGISTERED REP!!!!!

My instructor of the class, who knows more than Put, said that a 70 is all you need, and I agree.

[/quote]

Where is the pride in doing the minimum, slacker?
Jun 7, 2005 8:33 pm

[quote=maybeeeeeeee]

I studied for 5 weeks and I took the 1 week class.  Passed with a 75%. 

PUT, THAT IS NOT A MORON THAT IS A REGISTERED REP!!!!!

My instructor of the class, who knows more than Put, said that a 70 is all you need, and I agree.

[/quote]

You took a class and still only got a 75%?

For those of you who wonder whata moron is, that's one.  If you take a class you should be able to get at least 85 or even 90.

We license our sales assistants.  They are often only high school graduates who have kids at home.  Because they cannot study at work, and don't have time to study at home we send them to cram courses when we can.

Most of them score high 70s to low 80s.

This guy is going to be a broker and he scored lower on his Series 7 than a single mom with a high school diploma.  Yep, just the kind of person I'd want to handle my money.
Jun 7, 2005 8:35 pm

[quote=maybeeeeeeee]

I studied for 5 weeks and I took the 1 week class.  Passed with a 75%. 

PUT, THAT IS NOT A MORON THAT IS A REGISTERED REP!!!!!

My instructor of the class, who knows more than Put, said that a 70 is all you need, and I agree.

[/quote]

One more thing.  As far as we can tell Pass Perfect does not conduct classes.  It's a publishing firm but only has one or two employees.