I will try the bars next time I am out in Jersey.  No I am not a product of the education system completely.   And yes traffic is bad if you are a nine to fiver slaving away for a boss your whole life.  I have to protest on you knocking on Arnold.  Lines like “It’s not a tumor”, and “I’ll be back” are classics.  The reason we elected him was that Gray Davis had screwed up our budget royally like we were a few billion dollars off.  So that is why he got the axe and the The Terminator got in.   To really start a debate on here I will say that he is better than your Governor who had to resign over some uh personal issues with an aide.  That by the way is putting it very lightly.  At least if he was in California he wouldn’t have resigned he would have just said I made a mistake.  Finally on the pollution issue:  Bakersfield, Fresno, Madera, Porterville, Riverside, Visalia,  are all places that aren’t high on the areas to live poll in my opinion.  If I had to live there I too would move out of California.  Long Beach has some nice parts but a lot of rundown parts too.  LA is LA, I don’t know of anybody who lives downtown and there and the surrounding areas are where the worst pollution is for the most part.  I live in a nice area on the outskirts so I am not coughing up my lung when I run on the beach.  Finally on educaton when you are the most populous state of course you are probably going to rank a bit low in that department.  I bet if you looked at all the private schools scores I.E. where most of the wealthy send their kids, you would see a different story.  That’s my two cents, oh and by the way we once again are top ten in the World’s economy if we were on our own.  Don’t think Jersey is anywhere near that.

I was wondering when the governor of NJ was going to come up!  

Not much of a fair shot when you take San Francisco into account…

[quote=DodgerDraftpick]I will try the bars next time I am out in Jersey.  No I am not a product of the education system completely.   And yes traffic is bad if you are a nine to fiver slaving away for a boss your whole life. 

You mean like the average person? So, the privileged get a break?

 I have to protest on you knocking on Arnold.  Lines like "It's not a tumor", and "I'll be back" are classics.  The reason we elected him was that Gray Davis had screwed up our budget royally like we were a few billion dollars off.  So that is why he got the axe and the The Terminator got in.   To really start a debate on here I will say that he is better than your Governor who had to resign over some uh personal issues with an aide.  That by the way is putting it very lightly.  At least if he was in California he wouldn't have resigned he would have just said I made a mistake. 

Our guy didn't have to resign. He decided to resign to move on with his life. And we're not sorry to see him go. Not because of his sexual orientation, but because he turned out to be a lousy governor.

Finally on the pollution issue:  Bakersfield, Fresno, Madera, Porterville, Riverside, Visalia,  are all places that aren't high on the areas to live poll in my opinion.  If I had to live there I too would move out of California.  Long Beach has some nice parts but a lot of rundown parts too.  LA is LA, I don't know of anybody who lives downtown and there and the surrounding areas are where the worst pollution is for the most part.  I live in a nice area on the outskirts so I am not coughing up my lung when I run on the beach. 

And yet you call us dirty when it is your state claims the actual title.

Finally on educaton when you are the most populous state of course you are probably going to rank a bit low in that department. 

Talk about making excuses! Jersey ranks 10th in population. When it comes to educating our children we don't make excuses. We do it.

 I bet if you looked at all the private schools scores I.E. where most of the wealthy send their kids, you would see a different story. 

Yup, and that story is the relatively privileged few get to send their kids to a private school. For the rest, it's lot's of luck getting an education. By the way, the ranking takes all children in account, public and private. Where does that put the public schools? 

That's my two cents, oh and by the way we once again are top ten in the World's economy if we were on our own.  Don't think Jersey is anywhere near that.

And we would want to be, why? Cal's GDP is a product of their population. More people equals higher GDP.

California has a lot going for it. It's got some beautiful areas and great weather. However, when you start looking at it critically, through the eyes of a parent looking for a great place to raise children, or as a person looking for a high quality of life, it starts to come up short. Not to mention mother nature, earthquakes, mudslides, and fires. None are a problem on our side of the country.

Like I said, California, on a good day, a nice place to visit.

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You are right  that for the average person SoCal is a rough place.  Bottom line don’t be average and don’t accept being average.  If I had four kids I probably wouldn’t have the same viewpoint.  Therefore I am taking steps to make sure that one day when I do I will be free from financial worry.  Bottom line California is the land of opportunity for the entrepreneur and for someone who is focused on making it big financially.  In this state you either make it or you go move to Idaho or Washington and complain about how tough California is to live in.  I for one am not making excuses and no of plenty of brilliant people who raised good kids and enjoy a high quality of life in places like Malibu, Brentwood, Redondo Beach, etc. etc.  You get the idea.  It definitely is not for everyone and while I am sure you are very succesful in N.J. let’s just admit BG that the odds are high you wouldn’t have made it if you lived in SoCal.

Who here has lived in each region?



I have and must say everywhere has its pro’s. There is nothing like the big city or country.



The south is awesome in the winter, but too hot in the summer. The north has tourists in the summer and the south has tourists in the winter. Ideal is to have the option to go back and forth when ever you want.



I suspect very few people in our industry have this option since our customer base is typically close to home.



Now as for the beaches it depends what one is looking for. If you are lucky and go to RI or South Shore and there is a ton of hot 20 year olds then life is good. If you go on a day when the grannies are out it sucks.



In the south the beaches rule come March, but in June/July only tourists go. Why its too freaking hot.



So like everything in life it just depends on which side of the yard your on. The grass is always greener. So be happy where you are and enjoy the day. Don’t debate where is better, since it is pointless. One thing is for sure the beaches in Kuwait suck!



RUGBY - Those chicks did look good.

"Now as for the beaches it depends what one is looking for. If you are lucky and go to RI or South Shore and there is a ton of hot 20 year olds then life is good. If you go on a day when the grannies are out it sucks. :) "

Not a problem in San Diego. Just go to the beach in front of "World Famous" at the end of Pacific Beach Drive any day from March 1st through Nov 1st... Your eyes will blow out of your head at the 'sights'.... Might catch Blarmston there as well....

[quote=DodgerDraftpick]You are right  that for the average person SoCal is a rough place.  Bottom line don't be average and don't accept being average.  If I had four kids I probably wouldn't have the same viewpoint.  Therefore I am taking steps to make sure that one day when I do I will be free from financial worry.  Bottom line California is the land of opportunity for the entrepreneur and for someone who is focused on making it big financially.  In this state you either make it or you go move to Idaho or Washington and complain about how tough California is to live in.  I for one am not making excuses and no of plenty of brilliant people who raised good kids and enjoy a high quality of life in places like Malibu, Brentwood, Redondo Beach, etc. etc.  You get the idea.  It definitely is not for everyone and while I am sure you are very succesful in N.J. let's just admit BG that the odds are high you wouldn't have made it if you lived in SoCal. [/quote]

We're just trad'in cheap shots here. No reason to be hurt. Of course, my cheap shots are laced with quasi facts. Facts that, even though mike bulter could blow them away in a NY minute, are facts just the same. Kinda sorta. And that makes my cheap shots far better than yours. By the way, NY is a state and a minute is a unit of time.

There is little doubt that had I started in CA I would have failed. That's why I chose the far easier states of NJ, and NY to build my practice. That's the value of a good education.

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"Now as for the beaches it depends what one is looking for. If you are lucky and go to RI or South Shore and there is a ton of hot 20 year olds then life is good. If you go on a day when the grannies are out it sucks. :) "

Not a problem in San Diego. Just go to the beach in front of "World Famous" at the end of Pacific Beach Drive any day from March 1st through Nov 1st... Your eyes will blow out of your head at the 'sights'.... Might catch Blarmston there as well....

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NJ has Sandy Hook. There is a nude bech there. Everything from drop dead gorgeous super models to get out of the way you're blocking the sun. All wearing only the clothes they were born with. However, with over 5000 nekkid bodies on the beach on the average summer weekend afternoon, it becomes sensory overload. Or so I'm told. Still, an interesting place to visit.

Snow tonight, then not going above 25 by the weekend and for all of nxt week. San Diego's sounding really good right now, beach or not

Ahhh.. Sandy Hook... One supermodel in a crowd of 4000 from Staten Island and Brooklyn...

I love Jersey, and Belmar definately goes off during the summer as well... Back in the old days, Seaside Heights was the place to be... Steal a couple beers from the old mans fridge or a half finished bottle of Jack, put it in a Coke bottle, and cruise the boardwalk looking for a kiss from a pretty girl... Those were the days....

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Ahhh.. Sandy Hook... One supermodel in a crowd of 4000 from Staten Island and Brooklyn...

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I see you've been there! And you left out all the Jersey City babes.

Well we finally agree to disagree BG.  I have to admit this was a fun thread to debate on though.  Tell you what  if you are ever in SoCal pm  me and I will take you out and about to change your mind.

"Well we finally agree to disagree BG.  I have to admit this was a fun thread to debate on though.  Tell you what  if you are ever in SoCal pm  me and I will take you out and about to change your mind."

DDP- come on down to SD and I will show you how we roll down here.... You couldnt handle a weekend with us...

Blarm I will take you up on that offer.  I was actually just there last weekend for seeing a couple of family members and a meeting with a potential client down in SD.  It really pops off down there and is out of control.  I was lucky my first summer in Socal I got to stay at the Point Loma Naval Base.  Ohh the good times at Mission Beach and all the great stories. 

"Ohh the good times at Mission Beach and all the great stories."

Good times.......

New England rules it is 6 degrees today… My locks are frozen on my second car and I had to wear 6 layers to stay warm.



Wish I lived in San Dieago

Gonna be 68 and sunny here today. Yesterday it was in the mid 70’s and sunny for the big game…

Only 68 eighty today up north Blarm and very sunny.  Air Force I feel for you the worst winter I ever experienced was at NETC Newport man that was terrible.

Yeah man it get horrible with that wind. Seems GORE has been real quite on global warming this month. Supposed to be coldest since 72

I doubt if there will be much polar ice cap melt this week…freaking cold in the midwest also…

Appointment in Telluride in the morning and then Ski the rest of the day on Wed.

I feel for every one in the midwest grew up there! East coast not much better. I do not even want to visit the east cost