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Feb 9, 2006 9:23 pm

I just completed my 7 & 63 (today actually) but due to my time studying and the stippen, I am WAY behind my debt. I was thinking of filing bankruptcy. Will this cause a problem regarding my registration?


(guys, I am truly concerned about this and I need some serious advice, I do NOT want to lose my License or my job)

Feb 9, 2006 9:28 pm

OMG...

Feb 9, 2006 9:45 pm

umm ok. i was just curious on my options but "OMG" is not going to help me out bro.

Feb 9, 2006 10:19 pm

you've got to be kidding!! I only hope you don't have a wife and children. Go get a salary job.....quick. How irresponsible!

Feb 9, 2006 10:22 pm

lol no wife and kid. I am just wondering guys. Im looking into my options. I just wanted to know worst case senario.

Feb 9, 2006 10:43 pm

killer,


Of your going to be a financial advisor maybe you should brush up on the new bankruptcy law.  Your screwed likely...


My advice go get two jobs and move in someones basement.

Feb 9, 2006 10:49 pm

ok, so basicly dont file. I got that part. I am actually reading up on the bankruptcy law while I wait for someone on this forum to give me something in a bit more detail. I dont pay rent or anything but my debt just caught up (credit and carpayments). I am just curious about what can happen to my license/registration regarding bankruptcy. im 99% sure I wont file but now Im curious .

Feb 10, 2006 12:12 am

Before anyone can give you any good advise, we need to know the details of your situation.


1. How long have you been in the business?


2. How much time left on the guarantee?


3. Do you have a rich relative that can loan you money?


4. How much living overhead do you have?


5. How long have you known this was coming? 


6. What have you done about it?


7. Would you keep your financial advisor if he filed bankruptsy?


8. Any other details that may be helpful?



If it is too late, then you need to get a salaried job and do everything you can to stay out of bankruptsy.  Then maybe after you have learned from this experience you can re-enter the field and help others who are faced with the same situation. 


One thing is certain, if you file bankruptsy, you can kiss this business goodbye for good. 


Best of luck in this tough situation.

Feb 10, 2006 12:17 am
killerRep:

I just completed my 7 & 63 (today actually) but due to my time studying and the stippen, I am WAY behind my debt. I was thinking of filing bankruptcy. Will this cause a problem regarding my registration?


(guys, I am truly concerned about this and I need some serious advice, I do NOT want to lose my License or my job)



Actually I think, but am not sure, that it will cause major problems with your ability to get licensed(blue sky) in various states, and as well your ability to get appointed with insurance carriers for the sale of VA's and life insurance.


It may also cause a problem with your firm.  It is definitely a disclosable event.


Think about it a second....a guy struggling with financial concerns now being paid comissions to advise people on where to put their money?  It's just a perfect setup for abuse.


Man how do we let things get to this point?

Feb 10, 2006 12:19 am

Hey killer....aren't you the same moron who started the thread "Who makes more a stockbroker or a consultant?"



Dude...get up in the morning and look in the mirror and repeat 10 times:  "Thanks for choosing McDonalds sir, would you like some fries or an apple pie with that?"

Feb 10, 2006 7:54 pm

I've noticed over the years that some B/D's don't care if their broker has filed bankruptcy. Check with your B/D to determine their reaction, but only if you've decided to file.


If you file bankruptcy, you'll have to report it on your U-4 for the next ten years. (I'm not sure if it automatically drops off after 10 years.) Also, clients will be able to pull-up your bankruptcy filing, if they go to the NASD website to check-up on you.


If you file, get used to paying cash for everything. Your car insurance will probably go up, as well. And what credit you obtain, after the filing, will cost you dearly. Think of any situation where obtaining a credit report is required and you're going to have a problem and/or pay more. Get used to explaining your bankruptcy, for the next 10 years.


Also, it's my understanding that you will be required to attend credit counseling classes and obtain a certificate, before being able to file bankruptcy.


Filing bankruptcy should be your last option. Never, ever file when their are other alternatives left on the table.


In conclusion, your financial life, rather than getting easier after the filing, will get more complicated and more expensive for the next 10 years.  Do you really want that?


Feb 10, 2006 9:45 pm

Thank you so much doberman!! You had the most intelligent response yet. Like I said, I’m 99% sure I wont but I am just the type of guy that wants to know and understand all my options before choosing. Again, thanks man! I truly appreciate it.


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As for joedadumbass: First off, I wasn't born knowing this (and neither is anyone else, they have to learn it). I came into this business after serving in the military (perhaps you heard of risking your ass for your country?). I have served my country and now I changed careers. For most of my life all I know is stuff like M4/M16A2 rifle's effective range, the blast radius of a claymore, and hand to hand combat. I never learned until recently about this business. So as far as my "stupid" questions are concerned, well you can very much go fu*k yourself and anyone else that talks $hit. I don't believe in "stupid" questions. If I want to know something, damn it im going to ask. That’s the true difference between the ignorant and the wise. Look at all the "great thinkers" of our world history. They asked all questions, even the "stupid" ones.


So my summary to you and all the people that try to put me down for my temporary ignorance: I am better than you. Maybe not in this business yet, but as a man. In the end, people are not going to remember how much money you had (cause you cant take anything with you when you die, face it) but how you were and lived your life. So go fu*k yourselves .

Feb 11, 2006 11:17 am

KR-


You have my respect and appreciate of your service for our country.


I apologize if perhaps I was a little harsh or rude.  (Ya gotta work on that temper, though.  It WILL hurt you in this biz to react so emotionally to adverse comments.)


I suppose this whole issue just hits a nerve with me though.  The frontline firms keep bringing in trainees, putting them on a salary that isn't enough to live on, give them huge hurdles to meet and not enough sales training, and then wonder why their folks end up worrying about $$ and perhaps having that issue affect their judgement and the produts they recommend.


Then again.....the cynic in me says that the big firms like this because it makes it easier for them to manipulate their trainees to sell 'preferred products'.  Keep 'em hungry and then throw 'em a bone now and then and all that stuff. 

Feb 11, 2006 12:37 pm

Joe, you hit the nail so perfectly on the head I got goosebumps.  This is exactly what is happening and I wonder if it hasn't always been that way.



joedabrkr:

KR-


You have my respect and appreciate of your service for our country.


I apologize if perhaps I was a little harsh or rude.  (Ya gotta work on that temper, though.  It WILL hurt you in this biz to react so emotionally to adverse comments.)


I suppose this whole issue just hits a nerve with me though.  The frontline firms keep bringing in trainees, putting them on a salary that isn't enough to live on, give them huge hurdles to meet and not enough sales training, and then wonder why their folks end up worrying about $$ and perhaps having that issue affect their judgement and the produts they recommend.


Then again.....the cynic in me says that the big firms like this because it makes it easier for them to manipulate their trainees to sell 'preferred products'.  Keep 'em hungry and then throw 'em a bone now and then and all that stuff. 

Feb 11, 2006 1:10 pm
TimBo:

Joe, you hit the nail so perfectly on the head I got goosebumps.  This is exactly what is happening and I wonder if it hasn't always been that way.



joedabrkr:

KR-


You have my respect and appreciate of your service for our country.


I apologize if perhaps I was a little harsh or rude.  (Ya gotta work on that temper, though.  It WILL hurt you in this biz to react so emotionally to adverse comments.)


I suppose this whole issue just hits a nerve with me though.  The frontline firms keep bringing in trainees, putting them on a salary that isn't enough to live on, give them huge hurdles to meet and not enough sales training, and then wonder why their folks end up worrying about $$ and perhaps having that issue affect their judgement and the produts they recommend.


Then again.....the cynic in me says that the big firms like this because it makes it easier for them to manipulate their trainees to sell 'preferred products'.  Keep 'em hungry and then throw 'em a bone now and then and all that stuff. 



It has been exactly like that for the 15 years or so I've been in the biz.


The other sad thing is the damage done to clients(and consequently to our reputation as an industry) by folks with insufficent training & experience when they stuff clients money into questionable products out of despration for making their monthly expenses.


But their employers hardly care, as long as they don't get hauled into arbitration......

Feb 11, 2006 6:45 pm

Sorry aswell joe for snapping at you. Its just that its very stressful being in this situation. I got screwed over in 1 firm while I was studying for my 7 then lucky for me got hired by another firm so that I can get sponsored. I want to stay in this buisness no matter what. It is also hard to realize how much knee deep in $hit your in until you actually stop and take a look.


Also, I feel like I have been ridiculed for my ignorance about some aspects of the buisness. I know I don't know that much but my eager to learn makes me strive forward to be the best that I can be.


In any case, I notice how right you are about the buisness, you would be lucky in a firm to even get a base salary or stipen of $2000 a month to survive while you learn the buisness and try to build a book (thats IF the firm even lets you build one). But hope is not loss for me, I got a 2nd job on the weekends that would support my current situation, so no bankruptcy for me.  This is temporary anyway cause Im really good on the phone and people seem to trust me when they first meet me.


Joe, again, I appologies for my temper.

Feb 11, 2006 7:46 pm

killerRep, (in case you didn't know) make sure you've notified your B/D about your second job. Your B/D must approve any outside employment. Failure to notify your B/D of your second job could result in termination, a fine, and/or being banned from the business.


Additional employment normally shows up on a credit report and B/D's are known for periodically pulling their brokers' credit reports. They do this to make sure their broker isn't having financial trouble (late payments to creditors, etc.).

Feb 12, 2006 3:38 am

yea I did, they are aware of my situation and job. There cool with it as long as it doesnt interfere with my work. But thanks Doberman again for the heads up .

Feb 12, 2006 1:14 pm
killerRep:

Sorry aswell joe for snapping at you. Its just that its very stressful being in this situation. I got screwed over in 1 firm while I was studying for my 7 then lucky for me got hired by another firm so that I can get sponsored. I want to stay in this buisness no matter what. It is also hard to realize how much knee deep in $hit your in until you actually stop and take a look.


Also, I feel like I have been ridiculed for my ignorance about some aspects of the buisness. I know I don't know that much but my eager to learn makes me strive forward to be the best that I can be.


In any case, I notice how right you are about the buisness, you would be lucky in a firm to even get a base salary or stipen of $2000 a month to survive while you learn the buisness and try to build a book (thats IF the firm even lets you build one). But hope is not loss for me, I got a 2nd job on the weekends that would support my current situation, so no bankruptcy for me.  This is temporary anyway cause Im really good on the phone and people seem to trust me when they first meet me.


Joe, again, I appologies for my temper.



Apology accepted just as mine was with you.  No worries.


Truth is that some of my comments were a little harsh.  Then again, this is absolutely a business of hard realities.


Good that you've found a way to help yourself on the cash flow front.  Do everything you can to keep your expenses at a minimum for the next year or two, and pay off your consumer debts as quickly as possible.


The second job sounds like a good short-term solution for your immediate concerns, but do whatever you can to put yourself in a position where you can increase your income from your chosen profession so that you can dump the second job.  After all, it is unlikely that any part-time job is going to pay you anywhere NEAR what you can make during a productive hour or two in this business, right?



Good luck, and keep your head up.

Feb 12, 2006 3:15 pm

your absolutly right joe. I have already began dumping ANYTHING that is not needed in my life (example: car, cell phone, etc), Living in NYC makes life a bit easier when it comes to communications and transportation. This way all my extra income goes straight to debt. So I should be up and on my feet soon. This temp job is going to boost that time and as soon as I start getting clients, im dumping the job (or after all my debt is paid off, whichever comes first).


Also, my girl is getting a part-time job to help me pay debt .