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Feb 16, 2007 10:38 pm

gad12, exactly my point.

Feb 17, 2007 6:43 am

[quote=gad12]

If you were me would you look at banks? 

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Only when I needed an ATM machine or cashiers checks.
Feb 17, 2007 9:56 am

Got the new client.. $40k in retirment accounts and $5k to start individual.. has net worth of $125k.   She's from Morgan Stanley, not Smith Barney.

Very humbling to put myself out here like this and share my lack of assets. 

Nice. Hard to imagine MS rep would have time to give attention to that size account. Hope you are are considering some tax exempt national munis for the cash, and how about considering a bigger house for some potential leveraged equity growth?

Whether appropriate or not, point is, I get the feeling you do quality work and put the client first. In which case, you should be able to do some nice client appreciation social events, (lunches?) - have them bring in friend. Turning one million into ten will just be a matter of "cloning" your best clients, not chasing the numbers.

Let us know about your progress, I find your candor uplifting.

Feb 18, 2007 9:13 am

[quote=planrcoach]How about considering a bigger house for some potential leveraged equity growth?
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Oh lordy, not the "Residential real estate only goes up, it is the best investment of all time, except when it gets termites or the roof leaks"

You live in a house, it is far too illiquid to be thought of as an investment (especially since it produces no income).

By the time you factor in negative cash flows from maintainance,  taxes and insurance, the IRR on a residential housing "investment" is roughly flat (recent housing bubble excluded).

[QUOTE]In which case, you should be able to do some nice client appreciation social events, (lunches?) - have them bring in friend. Turning one million into ten will just be a matter of "cloning" your best clients, not chasing the numbers.[/quote]

I second that, except that I'm not a huge fan of free food. I'd put more work on netowrking and getting on a public speaking circuit. Take a look over your best clients and try to see what they have in common.

Feb 18, 2007 10:04 am

Oh lordy, not the "Residential real estate only goes up, it is the best investment of all time, except when it gets termites or the roof leaks"

You live in a house, it is far too illiquid to be thought of as an investment (especially since it produces no income).

I'm guessing you are pretty young. What is the value of having your teenagers friends congregate at the house instead of out on the streets? How about access to the best schools, being closer in to the city, having a view in a new energy efficient home with a slate roof and brick exterior?  Around these parts, putting money in a great house on a greenway pencils out to about the same as putting money in a retirement plan, if you take eventually take take free gains on the house sale.

We're looking at decades of experience and netting high state income tax, federal tax, and other deductions, including (still) relatively low long term mortgage rates. Liquidity? Real estate equity is pretty powerful collateral. For high income earners, owning a great home and keeping a nice cash reserve in tax exempt munis is powerful. Owning a business is another good way to build wealth.

You've got a lot of good technical knowledge, let's see the practical stuff. Investing in equities and bonds is not one of the main ways to accumulate wealth, in my book. You'll see what I mean over time.

Feb 18, 2007 10:06 am

tax free gains.

Feb 20, 2007 11:51 pm

You can not believe this is a real posting.

Feb 21, 2007 12:26 am

I didn't think it was a real posting either -- but sinking had a website on his Profile (it's not there anymore).  I checked it out -- he's definitely legit.  Website had photos, broker/dealer, account access links and info on his book.   

Mar 18, 2007 3:57 am

[quote=sinking]

I’ve been an independent money manager for individuals now for over 2 years… I have 35 clients and about $1 million under managment. Clearly I’m doing something way wrong.





I wonder if you’re in the business of investment management or client management. My experience is that clients are tired of the promise of terrific returns(they have figured out returns always revert to the mean) & are looking for someone to manage them to their goals & the detours that will occur along the way. When meeting a client my initial discussion revolves around who’s important, what’s important, and what they need their money to do for them. Then we define whatever their personal Oz is, and decide what we need to save and what we need to grow to get there(yup, we call that the yellow brick road). That’s the straight-line analysis. Then we talk about life not occuring in a straight line. Finally, I go out and hire someone like you to run the money. We pick the manager with the understanding of the clients desire for the ride. Do they want to drive in a horse drawn carriage or a Maserati? I don’t think you can do both(I know I can’t!), and what happens if you can’t get the 20%…